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jorluivil
05-30-2011, 07:19 PM
I got my first idea of what its like to peddle and peddle and peddle and peddle and....you get the story. We stayed out for hours in some of the most amazing conditions. I'm sure everyone in our group has a bone in their body that needs massage, or, possibly a band-aid. The trip was full moments that can only be described by each individual that was there.........Rob, Matt, Sasha & his Dad, Eric, and Frank.

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ericko
05-30-2011, 07:47 PM
ok ill start....im the fool that said lets do this roby and as you can see i started the day wet from head to toe. Nothing lost but rudder pin snapped bait tank motor mount broke all reals are going to the shop for a tune up there full of sand cell phone forgot was in my pocket is trash the worst part was my diabetic meter also in pocket no longer works...the second try was a piece of cake once we all got out frank sent us on A long trip, the swell was large lets just sat i felt like chumming the water....with me not feeling well things broke i called it a day at 1130.no fish seen or caught..total expense kayak repair $10 ,4 real tune up $80, up grade on phone $500 droid comando water resistant....diabetic meter dont no yet but the praying that insurance will take care of it originally $800................TIME WITH MY KAYAK BUDDIES PRICELESS...

roby
05-30-2011, 07:51 PM
ericko ok ill start....im the fool that said lets do this roby and as you can see i started the day wet from head to toe. Nothing lost but rudder pin snapped bait tank motor mount broke all reals are going to the shop for a tune up there full of sand cell phone forgot was in my pocket is trash the worst part was my diabetic meter also in pocket no longer works...the second try was a piece of cake once we all got out frank sent us on A long trip, the swell was large lets just sat i felt like chumming the water....with me not feeling well things broke i called it a day at 1130.no fish seen or caught..total expense kayak repair $10 ,4 real tune up $80, up grade on phone $500 droid comando water resistant....diabetic meter dont no yet but the praying that insurance will take care of it originally $800................TIME WITH MY KAYAK BUDDIES PRICELESS... Hell yeah!!!!

Dan
05-30-2011, 07:52 PM
nice photos! thumpy, but it looks like you just have to get through one and you're home free....ericko: good for you for having that attitude!

If I get out and the current is going uphill, I get all bitchy. :D

tagyak
05-30-2011, 07:58 PM
oh sh!t, i thought that was a boat out there in the water. i didn't put 2 & 2 together till i read ericks post.
sorry to hear about the monitor, hopefully it is covered by insurance and lack of fish. but really it has to have been better than spending this holiday with a father-in-law that is a major diva that i have a personality problem with......:mad:
looking forward to hitting the water soon!!!!

wiredantz
05-30-2011, 07:59 PM
Okay I am second!!

Before i got out i stowed everything that can move inside my kayak, including my HAT (Roby).Nothing is on top of the kayak but the bait tank and the seat.

From all the PM's i received in the past on how to stay dry, i now happily sit by the water and watch them break i count the waves and wait for the lull., i do this 3 or 4 times and finally wait for the last wave to come in, as the last wave goes back into the ocean i hop in my kayak and paddle as fast as i can. Home free... Then i open the front hatch, put my hat and rod and reels into place take out my fishing bag etc.

I had never experienced swells like the swells we had there today... I mean i literally felt like Patrick Swazee going up that big swell and all the way down. It was like a roller coaster.

Had lots of fun...

On the way back i packed everything in again.

On the way back i took my time, and i got as close as I could. I coun'ted the sets waited for the lull paddle in as fast i can Jumped out and was home free. I stayed dried:D

jorluivil
05-30-2011, 08:07 PM
Although I only ended up with a 17" Bocaccio and 12" Rock Cod all I can say is that it was simply amazing. I have never had as much adrenaline pumping through my body as I did today before the launch just before the landing and everything in between. Much Like Ericko I too took up Roby on an invite to venture out in the open, once we got there it was game on. I have never had my heart beating as fast as I did today just before we landed, the difference between YEAH!!!! and OMFG!!!! was seconds, literally. At the end of the day we all made back home, some a little beat and others a little lighter in the wallet but WE MADE IT HOME. Looking forward to the next trip with the BWE Gang!!!!!

Lets_Fish
05-30-2011, 08:18 PM
Looks like time on the water enjoyed by all.

Sorry to hear about the launch loses & hope your insurance covers the lost.

StinkyMatt
05-30-2011, 08:30 PM
First the good:

Launched and landed without incident.

The rest was a little frustrating:

I get sea sick easily (big sissy) Never chummed but felt it a little.

Sold my FF a few days ago and my new one is scheduled to arrive Tuesday. New place no FF. This place was SUPER fishy, kelp, bait, deep drop offs.

STUPID me, I got a nice fish I couldn't properly identify on the spot, for some reson I had the minimum size all mixed up. Ended up releasing a nice 24" fissshy.

Sorry to see Erick get his ass handed to him. Bet you'll make it up on the next trip!:D

ericko
05-30-2011, 08:38 PM
had the $$$ for ya but forgot to give it to ya sorry..

YakMedic
05-31-2011, 05:08 AM
Looks like a good time was had by all despite some setbacks. I'm going to have to weasel myself an invite with you guys sometime.

Regor
05-31-2011, 05:22 AM
Nice pics, and sounded .... fun & interesting.

WahooUSMA
05-31-2011, 06:37 AM
ok ill start....im the fool that said lets do this roby and as you can see i started the day wet from head to toe. Nothing lost but rudder pin snapped bait tank motor mount broke all reals are going to the shop for a tune up there full of sand cell phone forgot was in my pocket is trash the worst part was my diabetic meter also in pocket no longer works...the second try was a piece of cake once we all got out frank sent us on A long trip, the swell was large lets just sat i felt like chumming the water....with me not feeling well things broke i called it a day at 1130.no fish seen or caught..total expense kayak repair $10 ,4 real tune up $80, up grade on phone $500 droid comando water resistant....diabetic meter dont no yet but the praying that insurance will take care of it originally $800................TIME WITH MY KAYAK BUDDIES PRICELESS...


Yup...Priceless!

Iceman
05-31-2011, 07:02 AM
kayak repair $10

cha ching :D

Reminds me of the good ol days where we would set out to try new spots all the time. Places like Mission Beach, Coronado, IB, Puerto Nuevo, Salsepuedes......always an adventure. That is kayak fishing! :luxhello:

bubblehide
05-31-2011, 07:41 AM
ok ill start....im the fool that said lets do this roby and as you can see i started the day wet from head to toe. Nothing lost but rudder pin snapped bait tank motor mount broke all reals are going to the shop for a tune up there full of sand cell phone forgot was in my pocket is trash the worst part was my diabetic meter also in pocket no longer works...the second try was a piece of cake once we all got out frank sent us on A long trip, the swell was large lets just sat i felt like chumming the water....with me not feeling well things broke i called it a day at 1130.no fish seen or caught..total expense kayak repair $10 ,4 real tune up $80, up grade on phone $500 droid comando water resistant....diabetic meter dont no yet but the praying that insurance will take care of it originally $800................TIME WITH MY KAYAK BUDDIES PRICELESS...


Wow, sorry to hear that, I hope insurance picks it up for you.

On another note, the drop off by the buoy almost always produces the rock fish.

Aaron&Julie
05-31-2011, 08:25 AM
Where's the Boo?
Don't usually see shorebreak like that at La Jolla, so figuring up your Long Beach way.
Sounds like fun, mostly.
A 17" salmon grouper is pretty good size for inshore fishing. And a 12" rockfish to boot will make quite a few fish tacos. Yumm!

Flyfisher70
05-31-2011, 10:20 AM
Where's the Boo?


Malibu

radastaff
05-31-2011, 10:31 AM
Malibu
LA county

nice meeting you all
i was suprised u guys were still at the launch when i came in
iam always the last one back in it seems
but the wind was getting nasty
i was onw around 6:30am

too bad the howling winds dropped the water temp over 5 degrees too on sunday
ugg

that spot can cause injuries when its pumpin
and reports said 1-2 footers
NOT!
try 4-5 shore break dumpers

always stow ure hat

good idea to wait a few sets there
when its pumpin
to get a feel for the lull
both at launch and landing
getting suprised by a sneaker when u thought it was a lull
is no fun

def not like LJ with the long shallow beach

sorry bout the loss of gear
it was a stowing day fur sure


Where's the Boo?
Don't usually see shorebreak like that at La Jolla, so figuring up your Long Beach way.
Sounds like fun, mostly.
A 17" salmon grouper is pretty good size for inshore fishing. And a 12" rockfish to boot will make quite a few fish tacos. Yumm!

bus kid
05-31-2011, 11:17 AM
cha ching :D

LMFAO

knightnsd
05-31-2011, 11:24 AM
Was out Memorial day and turned around from Mission Bay jetty, earlier in the week I felt your pain on <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">La Jolla</st1:place> shores and was blessed that few people caught my act beaching last Wed. All four poles tangled as my yak tossed on a wave breaking behind me, hate those double break days when you need eyes in front and behind to watch the waves. Thank God the poles tangled so I kept them all, as only my best pole was tied down, another lesson learned. That day I placed my gaff below as well in the hold, jigs cut-off and placed in bait tank but my new Torium was christened and scraped repeatedly on the shoreline as I played in the surf with my paddle 20 yards out. Tore all the reels apart, lost a .38 cent washer on the Torium that has been or order for a week, thank God for online schematics, it was the drag-bearing thrust washer that rolled through my entire garage somewhere. Got smart and ordered all of the washers for spares just in case of a future repeat that I am hoping is a long time away. Only thing I ended up losing was the bait tank pick-up tube, my dignity, and a lot of time of cleaning reels! That is what I think I lost, I'll find out when I am out later this week, surf-willing.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

yaksailor
05-31-2011, 11:28 AM
Nice story and pics. Yeah, it was pumping this weekend. Yard sales inevitable.

Aaron&Julie
05-31-2011, 03:36 PM
Thanks guys, for letting us know what beach it is. Got to learn new lingo, to keep up with the times.

yakrider
06-01-2011, 01:26 PM
awesome report!
glad to hear no injuries were reported...
that place can be very unforgiving...
and nFrank...way to go getting out dry!
way better fishing warm, eh?

jorluivil
06-01-2011, 03:28 PM
Now that my body no longer hurts I can put all my stuff away.

bellcon
06-01-2011, 04:46 PM
looks like this buddy paid the price:eek:

was he trying to give the other buddy a push?
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that place can produce the shore break from hell

great report, looks like you guys had fun despite the loses
:cheers1:

roby
06-01-2011, 06:37 PM
looks like this buddy paid the price:eek:

was he trying to give the other buddy a push?@Bellcon - The buddy was me. I was obviously trying to get a good start for him, but the waves don't give a paddler to much wiggle room to gain speed.

I have launched in the surf many times in a sit-in kayak, but have never launched in a Hobie. The Hobie surprised me with how bad it can track without a rudder, and how poorly it starts up with a paddle. The waves here were the Hobie's worse nightmare. You can't really use your mirage drive because it's too shallow, and you can't use your rudder for the same reason. Any of the sleeker Ocean Kayaks or Wilderness Tarpons would not of had a problem.

I quickly learned why there aren't too many Malibu regulars that use a Hobie...

jorluivil
06-01-2011, 08:20 PM
The Hobie surprised me with how bad it can track without a rudder, and how poorly it starts up with a paddle. The waves here were the Hobie's worse nightmare. You can't really use your mirage drive because it's too shallow, and you can't use your rudder for the same reason

X2 on what ^^^he^^^ said!!

Fiskadoro
06-01-2011, 08:47 PM
X2 on what ^^^he^^^ said!!

I warned you guys that it can be a tuff launch especially at low tide. Gary had the same issues with his Hobie there, that's why he got rid of it. Nice drives but not the best surf performance. Gary hacked up his Altura and has now mounted a Hobie drive in it just for fishing there.

So I can't believe that you got away with posting a BU report without repercussions. If I put one up I'd have the usual suspects crawling up my ass, and crying bloody murder LOL

Some of the locals really don't want anyone talking about the fishing up there. The old locals only mentality.

Keep at it!!! Lick your wounds and get back out there. It's going to be rough all week but the weekend should be great conditions, and there are definitely some quality fish around.

Jim

Fiskadoro
06-01-2011, 09:02 PM
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Hope you guys don't mind but I got some advice...

When you hit a big breaking wave like that you want to lean forward as far as you can to help the yak pierce through the wave, and at the same time turn the paddle 90 degrees parallel to the yak. I try to take the last stroke to the right then put the left hand forward against the deck holding the paddle tight to the yak with my right hand back. The idea is you want your wieght foreward, present the least profile for your body to get hit, and have the paddle pointed into the wave so it pierces it like a spear.

If your upright like that with the paddle sideways and the wave catches the paddle it will either rip the paddle from your hand or knock you right off then kayak.

Good job on getting out and catching a few fish. That area is going to be closed if the MLPA goes through in it's current form, so hit it while you can.

Jim

wiredantz
06-01-2011, 09:23 PM
Hope you guys don't mind but I got some advice...

When you hit a big breaking wave like that you want to lean forward as far as you can to help the yak pierce through the wave, and at the same time turn the paddle 90 degrees parallel to the yak. I try to take the last stroke to the right then put the left hand forward against the deck holding the paddle tight to the yak with my right hand back. The idea is you want your wieght foreward, present the least profile for your body to get hit, and have the paddle pointed into the wave so it pierces it like a spear.

If your upright like that with the paddle sideways and the wave catches the paddle it will either rip the paddle from your hand or knock you right off then kayak.

Good job on getting out and catching a few fish. That area is going to be closed if the MLPA goes through in it's current form, so hit it while you can.

Jim

That wave was at least a 6ft wave. Roby got annihilated, by that wave.... I was there and i saw those bodies fly while the hobie flew back like a scorpion tail

bubblehide
06-02-2011, 07:47 AM
...I have launched in the surf many times in a sit-in kayak, but have never launched in a Hobie. The Hobie surprised me with how bad it can track without a rudder, and how poorly it starts up with a paddle. The waves here were the Hobie's worse nightmare. You can't really use your mirage drive because it's too shallow, and you can't use your rudder for the same reason. Any of the sleeker Ocean Kayaks or Wilderness Tarpons would not of had a problem.

I quickly learned why there aren't too many Malibu regulars that use a Hobie...


I used to have an outback, and the above is exactly why I don't have it anymore, but now have an Altura that I'm putting a Hobie drive into, I took it out the other day and had no such problems; paddled right through the surf; it appears that the Hobie hulls are made for stability not performance.

What did help with the outback was launching and landing with the pedals locked in and in the up position, taking it to knee deep water, hoping in, paddle until I'm was in water deep enough to pedal and deploying the rudder as soon as I could (generally I'd be sideways by this time), straighten her out and keep going. But once your pedaling you could also use the paddle as a rudder.

Fiskadoro
06-02-2011, 09:17 AM
That wave was at least a 6ft wave. Roby got annihilated, by that wave.... I was there and i saw those bodies fly while the hobie flew back like a scorpion tail

Ouch!!!!

flydigital
06-02-2011, 10:26 AM
That wave was at least a 6ft wave. Roby got annihilated, by that wave.... I was there and i saw those bodies fly while the hobie flew back like a scorpion tail

I'd call that about 4' (the one in the photo), but still big heavy shorepound. Glad everyone is ok!

StinkyMatt
06-02-2011, 11:21 AM
Frank has SIZE issues.

Ask him about a 5 inch sardine, he'll tell you it is a 12 inch MAC!
:)

wiredantz
06-02-2011, 12:22 PM
Lol Oh come on.! rob can't be 3 feet tall that wave Is clearly above rob head. Lol

bubblehide
06-02-2011, 05:45 PM
Lol Oh come on.! rob can't be 3 feet tall that wave Is clearly above rob head. Lol



Frank, waves are measured from the back side, ocean surface to the top of the wave; not the face (front). But it's a common mistake.


Despite that,




Ouch!

jorluivil
06-02-2011, 05:53 PM
That wave was at least a 6ft wave. Roby got annihilated, by that wave.... I was there and i saw those bodies fly while the hobie flew back like a scorpion tail

Please, lets just let him have his moment for once. Frank, it was actually a 10' wave, I should know I took the picture;)

flydigital
06-02-2011, 05:55 PM
Frank, waves are measured from the back side, ocean surface to the top of the wave; not the face (front). But it's a common mistake.


Despite that,




Ouch!

Yeah, big ouch that is a gnar gnar wave encounter.

But when I say 4 feet I am referring to the wave face, not the back, which is more like 3ft. AFAIK they only go by wave backs in Hawaii and other south pacific surf locals.

As for the height of the unfortunate buddy, there is roughly 3 feet of him sticking out from the water. Head high would only count if he was on a surfboard actually riding the wave. Head high = 6ft waves. This is a waist to shoulder high wave (for a surfer). Still thick and heavy as **** when they pound the shore like that.

Here's what they call 6ft in Hawaii: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1000012/8/23/

radastaff
06-02-2011, 06:42 PM
they arnt gettin shit for the post Jim
(far as i know)
because
they didnt post a pict of a giant wsb
and tell everybody and their grandmother
that the bite is on
and
where it is

not looking to get into a discussion about what u did or did not
nor do i care to0 much
just saying what they did not

and yes some of that area is slated for closures
but most the prime area is still gonna be open
(not including the canyon and north of course)
at least for awhile yet
according to the latest red zone map
as iam sure u are well aware of

most of the "spot" gonna still be open
from 30' on out to deeper
and will get crazy with the pbers
just like last year

nothing like a cranking anchor stuck in the kelp
when ure trying to be stealthy
for a few hours in the morning
just like last year

its not about elitism
nor about locals only
its about respecting the fish
and not harvesting a bite

+
giving us yakkers a chance
when up against those loud ass party boats

word will get out regardless
as it always does

i prefer PM's
but its taken me a few years to figure it out



just my take
and
all iam gonna say regarding this

3 or 6'
when ure sitting down
it will still own ya


P

radastaff
06-02-2011, 06:51 PM
Hope you guys don't mind but I got some advice...

When you hit a big breaking wave like that you want to lean forward as far as you can to help the yak pierce through the wave, and at the same time turn the paddle 90 degrees parallel to the yak. I try to take the last stroke to the right then put the left hand forward against the deck holding the paddle tight to the yak with my right hand back. The idea is you want your wieght foreward, present the least profile for your body to get hit, and have the paddle pointed into the wave so it pierces it like a spear.

If your upright like that with the paddle sideways and the wave catches the paddle it will either rip the paddle from your hand or knock you right off then kayak.

Good job on getting out and catching a few fish. That area is going to be closed if the MLPA goes through in it's current form, so hit it while you can.

Jim


idea is
make a small profile
cut into the wave

as it is shown
ure making the biggest profile u can
to avoid getting your face wet

giving that wave a broad surface to push against

i say
get that face wet
lean into it
face first
low profile

also helps
to have your heavier stuff that u stowed
in the nose or ure yak
to help it stay down and cut into the wave

and
the opposite when u land
push the heavy stuff in as deep as u can
and as far away from the front as u can
and lean back

radastaff
06-02-2011, 07:00 PM
Now that my body no longer hurts I can put all my stuff away.


heh heh
i like that
might even steal it for a sig

been there many a time

Fiskadoro
06-02-2011, 07:58 PM
they arnt gettin shit for the post Jim
(far as i know) because they didnt post a pict of a giant wsb
and tell everybody and their grandmother that the bite is on
and where it is not looking to get into a discussion about what u did or did not nor do i care to0 much just saying what they did not...

Alright I'll bite.

Sometimes you just have to laugh about this stuff..

If I posted I caught a treefish, two bass and a few kelp Rockfish in Malibu, the same core group of haters who always attack me would cry it's the end of the friggin world, and I know this first hand because they have done so in the past. You know how it is it's easy to hate online and these guys do it with a tenacity and gusto, that would be damned annoying if it was just so dang funny.

In this case I posted this...

Friend of mine sent me this pic....

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1880/garyseabass.jpg

Not too sure on the size and location but it looks fishy to me. http://kayaksportfishing.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gifThat's all I posted, but you would think it was the end of the world.


My take is these guys don't like Gary either (after all he's intelligent, a freind of mine, and holding a fish) so they had to make it a bigger deal then it really was.

In fairness maybe three days later I did say something like there are Seabass in a prespawn pattern, in the kelp all up and down the coast and if you fish for them right in the usual spots in Malibu you can maybe pick one up. That's a far cry from alerting the whole world to a wide open seabass bite, and as far as I have heard it has not lead to one bit of overfishing.

I'm glad these guys went to Malibu, after all I told them to go fish it. It's nice to see someone actually posting about for a change, and I'm glad they caught some fish, even if they did not get a seabass. Malibu is a great place to fish, and they are going to close a bunch of fishing there so I want people to fish it as much as they can before they shut those areas down. Just my take, but it is the way I see it. As far as I know there is still no wide open seabass bite at Malibu. If there is one please feel free to send me a PM. :D

Last I heard they were still in the kelp there in prespawn mode. So to end my little rebuttal I'll just add another thing I said recently that naturally I got a bunch of shit for.

I guess you could say that I have learned the difference between a prespawn bite, and the wide open bite that comes with the spawn, and figured out that we can catch them in prespawn mode when no-one else can. Prespawn the fish are in the kelp are sluggish, not very active, they do not move around much and do not want to fight current or chase down bait. We all know what a spawning bite is, when it's wide open and anyone can catch them but with prespawn fish you have to be there at the right place, at the right time, and present a bait right in front of a fishes nose to get it. It's literally that the fish are lazy, because they are conserving energy for the spawn, but if you present a bait right in front of their nose you can catch one. Party boats and private boaters can not fish those prespawn fish because they do not have the maneuverability or the time to wait them out, get right in front of them and then present a bait with enough finesse to get bit like we can do in a kayak. Is it a wide open thing where you get fish all the time, hell no!!! You have to fish the crap out of them to catch fish in a prespawn pattern. There's a lot of variables that have to line up: the current has to be right and you have to be in the right place at the right time, with the right bait, so it's more of a patience stalking and waiting game, but if you put in the time you can get some real trophies fishing prespawn fish from a kayak even if they are almost impossible to catch any other way..

I don't see that as leaking bite info, more like trying to help people catch fish by giving them fishing info. Hopefully someone will put that to good use and nail a few fish up there this season.

Jim

Fiskadoro
06-02-2011, 08:03 PM
have your heavier stuff that u stowed
in the nose or ure yak to help it stay down and cut into the wave and
the opposite when u land push the heavy stuff in as deep as u can
and as far away from the front as u can and lean back

That is right on. You want the weight up foreward going out to keep your nose down and help cut through the waves, and the weight back on landing to keep your nose up and help you surf, if a wave catches up to you on the way in.

Good stuff, Jim

steveooo
06-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Frank, waves are measured from the back side, ocean surface to the top of the wave; not the face (front). But it's a common mistake.



If you go to Hawaii, you are correct. In cali, and most other places in the world they use the face height, because the way different spots break. A 2 foot wave back might be a 2 foot face in one place, and a 4 foot wave face in another.

"In March 2001 however, the National Weather Service sought to standardize reporting, calling the surf by wave face. This was done in the interest of public safety, especially in light of a series of injury lawsuits that claimed that surf reports did not accurately reflect true ocean conditions."

bubblehide
06-02-2011, 08:43 PM
If you go to Hawaii, you are correct. In cali, and most other places in the world they use the face height, because the way different spots break. A 2 foot wave back might be a 2 foot face in one place, and a 4 foot wave face in another.

"In March 2001 however, the National Weather Service sought to standardize reporting, calling the surf by wave face. This was done in the interest of public safety, especially in light of a series of injury lawsuits that claimed that surf reports did not accurately reflect true ocean conditions."


Both are true, today they call it the wave face, for the height of the face, and when "wave height" is used, it refers to the backside measurement. But the backside has been the traditional referenced method.

bubblehide
06-02-2011, 08:57 PM
Alright I'll bite.

Sometimes you just have to laugh about this stuff..

...Jim



Yeah it's funny, thanks to Josh Pruitt, the pre-spawn bite (or lack there of), and how to fish it, is common knowledge in LJ. Yet no one is fishing the pre-spawn up the coast here (well, except for me). For years now Pruitt has been slay-n the bass pre-spawn, and sharing his knowledge and skills openly. And, I simply figured why can't it be done up and down the coast; and I found that it can (thanks Josh! My freezer is now full and my friends and neighbors are eating well). But some places, like up the coast here, some people just have to pretend that the fishing community is unaware of the fishing opportunities, despite such places being on every marine map since before the dawn of time. But Paul (radastaff) pretty much nailed it, this year will be just like years past, yakers and PB-ers will be out there in force when the bite heats up; and no one will need to tell them, PM them... it'll be obvious, just like it always is, every year. After all, there's a web cam pointing right out to the spot, :doh:!

jorluivil
06-02-2011, 09:46 PM
And all I wanted to do was share what a great day we had on the water:the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger:

sasha
06-02-2011, 09:49 PM
As always im late to the party.. It was great to meet all of you guys. Got no idea how far we went but i over heard some talk that it was over 12 miles.. going out was into the wind and the swell was huge. Every once in a while there would be a huge one when you get to the top you can see far away. Then the yak would just drop and it seemed like i had walls of water around me. Got some nice macks and they are getting marinaded right now and should be done in about 10 days. The only reason Frank didnt go swimming was cause i did it for him. Tired sea sick and been chumming the water which didnt help.. On the way in i thought i had it right just to have a big wave come right behind me and toss me in the water into a wash cycle. Then spit me out on the sand when i were nice and clean. Sure got the sea sickness out of me fast. I felt like a cat that some monkeys had fun with holding by the tail and droping into a barrel full of cold water, over and over. I were tired cold and sick with a bad sun burn.
i got only one Q to ask...................




when are we going out again boys???????????

Sasha

StinkyMatt
06-02-2011, 10:04 PM
I can't this weekend, but the Fri, Sat and Sun. next 10-12 I want to get a group to go to this new spot I heard of.

This place has deep canyons, lots of kelp, no one knows about it. We don't want to let other fishermen just like us know where it is.

I can't openly say where this place is but you can hear waves and see the sky from there.:confused:

If you live in a zipcode that ends in 000, drive a SAAB, voted Republican and have a purple kayak then you are in.... I'll PM you.:D

Ohhhh and I forgot, you are not allowed to share a fishing report till the year 2017.

I'll be sending out the secret handshake instructions soon.


All kidding aside, I'll be fishing LJ that weekend. Matt

bubblehide
06-02-2011, 10:10 PM
...
All kidding aside, I'll be fishing LJ that weekend. Matt




Wheres LJ? :biggrinjester:

jorluivil
06-02-2011, 11:50 PM
I can't this weekend, but the Fri, Sat and Sun. next 10-12 I want to get a group to go to this new spot I heard of.

This place has deep canyons, lots of kelp, no one knows about it. We don't want to let other fishermen just like us know where it is.

I can't openly say where this place is but you can hear waves and see the sky from there.:confused:

If you live in a zipcode that ends in 000, drive a SAAB, voted Republican and have a purple kayak then you are in.... I'll PM you.:D

Ohhhh and I forgot, you are not allowed to share a fishing report till the year 2017.

I'll be sending out the secret handshake instructions soon.


All kidding aside, I'll be fishing LJ that weekend. Matt


My zip codes ends in 650
I drive a three tone uninsured Chevy with expired plates
I voted and vote Democrat
I have an Olive colored Hobie

Can I get in on this 'secret spot'?

P.S.
Don't forget that I was the one that gave you a hell of a deal on a new Hobie PFD and let you borrow some bungees to tie your sh*t down before you/we launched through those 6'-8' waves that were coming 3-5 seconds apart.;)

yakrider
06-03-2011, 06:28 AM
And all I wanted to do was share what a great day we had on the water:the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger:



and that you did...
thank you for sharing...

you'll get used to it!
(or not)

steveooo
06-03-2011, 07:27 AM
Both are true, today they call it the wave face, for the height of the face, and when "wave height" is used, it refers to the backside measurement. But the backside has been the traditional referenced method.

If "both are true", then why be so quick to point out Frank's "common mistake" in how he determined how big the waves were?

I don't get it? :confused:

bubblehide
06-03-2011, 07:59 AM
If "both are true", then why be so quick to point out Frank's "common mistake" in how he determined how big the waves were?

I don't get it? :confused:


Simple, there are officially recognized methods, and those that aren't. The method you used to corrected me on, was simply brought about to "cover one's a*# in respect to litigation.

Fiskadoro
06-03-2011, 08:36 AM
And all I wanted to do was share what a great day we had on the water:the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger: :the_finger:

I hear that :D

Yeah it was great to see the report and I'm glad you had a good time even if you got some bumps and bruises. I have no idea how big that wave is but it definitely looks big enough to F you up. Good going on the trip, glad everyone made it home in one piece and thanks again for the great report.

Jim

tagyak
06-03-2011, 08:40 AM
If you live in a zipcode that ends in 000, drive a SAAB, voted Republican and have a purple kayak then you are in.... I'll PM you.:D



a SAAB, isn't that so 80's. i think the vehicle of choice would be the Range Rover Sport Supercharged.......

so please make sure that you send me those secret handshaking instructions.:biggrinjester:

Fiskadoro
06-03-2011, 08:40 AM
If you live in a zipcode that ends in 000, drive a SAAB, voted Republican and have a purple kayak then you are in.... I'll PM you.:D Ohhhh and I forgot, you are not allowed to share a fishing report till the year 2017. I'll be sending out the secret handshake instructions soon.

Damn!!! I hate Purple, and drive a Dodge turbodiesel, send me those secret handshaking instructions anyway.... :biggrinjester:

tagyak
06-03-2011, 08:41 AM
hey jim, perhaps you can join up the next time they/we head out that way????

steveooo
06-03-2011, 08:44 AM
Simple, there are officially recognized methods, and those that aren't. The method you used to corrected me on, was simply brought about to "cover one's a*# in respect to litigation.

Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up!

For a second there, it appeared that you were using the opportunity to puff your chest out and be a weenie, but in reality you were just being helpful in making sure Frank can avoid potential litigation that may occur from him misreporting how big the surf is.



:cheers1:

Fiskadoro
06-03-2011, 09:03 AM
hey jim, perhaps you can join up the next time they/we head out that way????

Sounds cool, when are you guys going again. This weekend looks really good weather and wave wise.

Jim

bubblehide
06-03-2011, 09:09 AM
Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up!

For a second there, it appeared that you were using the opportunity to puff your chest out and be a weenie, but in reality you were just being helpful in making sure Frank can avoid potential litigation that may occur from him misreporting how big the surf is.



:cheers1:


Dude, I guess I was simply being to technical; there was no offense intended; sorry if it came across that way.

ericko
06-16-2011, 08:29 AM
well the diabetic meter was under a limited warrenty cost me only $230..just got it today :)

tagyak
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
well the diabetic meter was under a limited warrenty cost me only $230..just got it today :)

cool ready to go out to la jolla tomorrow with me and matt??????

'Cuda
06-16-2011, 03:14 PM
That's Sunset Beach right? Shore fisherman have told me of 20lb halibut....I've caught a few keepers myself in the area just after the launch drift paddling south along the beach towards the point....it drops off to 12ft just off the beach hence the radical shore pound.....early August you can launch in ankle deep surf...drift south in swimming pool clear water and watch the halibut come out of the sand like ghosts chasing your bait.