7/11 PM

[madscientist]

...back on the rats.

Nice afternoon got progressively lumpier as the wind built until about 6:30, when it finally shut off. Only a fat calico on the inside, so I went long. Got out around the corner and the ripping downhill current looked to make for a long return paddle, so I pointed home early. Shortly after the tide swing this little scrapper ate the flyline. Fought above his weight class and even tried to kelp me. Pulled the hook on another I tried horsing in. That was it. Wife's cousin is in town so I figured cali tacos and hamachi would be a good welcome to SD.

http://www.bloodydecks.com/gallery/files/4/7/3/0/DSC09986_875793.JPG

Ken, was your radio on? I couldn't hear you if it was. BTW, this makes 5 consecutive trips, though not consecutive days.

[fishin_freak]

Rats are like fat chicks, or mopeds...looks fun though.

[Dan]

Nice....the small frys have been pulling pretty hard lately. Must be eating well.

[DESTROYER]

Brad- I love you and your fishing style!

Moyer

[msolorz]

Or share the wealth...my freezer has space!! :lol:

[madscientist]

Brad- That freezer has to be loaded by now...You ever here of
C & R...and not the Clothing Store :?

Moyer

Ever hear of hungry friends? :lol:

[nmbrinkman]

Aka....moochers :lol:

[DESTROYER]

I Likes Fish Brad!

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

I Likes Fish Brad!
Catch your own damn fish
It is not Brads job to feed the masses.
Keep what you will eat, let them catch their own.
Brad you know the Cali tacos is what got me when you just posted a few days ago about landing all those tuna and dorado and five days in a row with yellows. Come on man
I have all the respect in the world for a guy that puts in that amount of time on the water and consistently gets fish, but I don't respect the attitude that you seem to have of killing everything that hits your line.

[Afran]

...but I don't respect the attitude that you seem to have of killing everything that hits your line.


With all due respect,
They say that Opinions are like Assholes... every one has one.

Varity of meals.

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Like I said, I have all the respect for Brad as a fisherman and a person, maybe not as a sportsman. I completely defended him when the WSB issue came up. Brad has placed himself in a rather high profile position, and a lot of new guys are going to look to him as an example. I personally don't think he sets the best example for others to follow. This certainly is not the example I want my kids to follow about fishing.

[madscientist]

I Likes Fish Brad!
Catch your own damn fish
It is not Brads job to feed the masses.
Keep what you will eat, let them catch their own.
Brad you know the Cali tacos is what got me when you just posted a few days ago about landing all those tuna and dorado and five days in a row with yellows. Come on man
I have all the respect in the world for a guy that puts in that amount of time on the water and consistently gets fish, but I don't respect the attitude that you seem to have of killing everything that hits your line.

If I choose to eat only fresh fish and make some friends and colleagues happy, that is my business. I've eaten tuna for 4 straight days, so some hamachi will be a nice change. I've kept about 6 calicos this year, out of easily 10 times that number caught. My YT slaughter this year = about 12. Go check the fish counts from the landings if you really want to get your panties in a bunch.

I like to catch fish.
I like to clean fish.
I like to eat fresh fish.
I like to see the smile on a friends face when I give them fish.
I like to drink the beer they give me as a thank you.

What is so wrong with that?

And Jim, why don't you make your tournament C&R? :D

[nmbrinkman]

off the topic.....Brad, you need to get your blood drawn for a mercury level assessment :lol: :wink:

[madscientist]

off the topic.....Brad, you need to get your blood drawn for a mercury level assessment :lol: :wink:

My wife had that done (hair sample, actually). She was at the very low end of "maybe a problem". She's now cutting way back and being very careful about which types of fish. As I understand it, the mercury is really only a problem for developing nervous systems. Since mine is well on its way to degenerating (right behind my liver), I don't think I have to worry about it.

I never had any interest in being a sportsman. In some ways, I find the notion of hooking and potentially injuring fish just for pleasure, or "sport", less morally defensible than fishing for meat. Walking around the neighborhood trying to kick cats would be sport as well, but most would say somewhat cruel.

Providing fresh, organic, wild caught, non-netted, non-polluting, non-commercially processed seafood to people you care about, now that's a crime and a horrible example to set! :roll:

[Afran]

I have all the respect for Brad as a fisherman... not as a sportsman... I personally don't think he sets the best example for others to follow. This certainly is not the example I want my kids to follow about fishing.

WHAT? ... Wow, that's good stuff. Quotables for 2006.

Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis

Perhaps there should be a discussion in the General Forum on your site featuring proper yak/fishing edicate for newbies. There are a lot more people on the water in little plastic boats who really don't know what's going on or what they are doing, especially out at LJ. Maybe you can suggest they start in a lake or bay. Advice on this topic would help the sport and it would put you in a more high profile position. It's kinda like creating a mess, but not cleaning it up.

[Iceman]

I never had any interest in being a sportsman. In some ways, I find the notion of hooking and potentially injuring fish just for pleasure, or "sport", less morally defensible than fishing for meat. Walking around the neighborhood trying to kick cats would be sport as well, but most would say somewhat cruel.

Well said...............I hate when the neighborhood cats shit in our flowerbed. :D

[dgax65]

While I will release unwanted fish, I don't deliberately go out for a day of catch and release. If I catch it, I want to eat it, or share with others. I don't go over the limits, I'm not on the water that often and I'm not a great fisherman. I can honestly say that my fishing practices are legal and ethical. I know that it is important to remind people that we have to work at keeping fish stocks healthy, but as long as we obey the law we should be allowed to keep what we catch. If there is too much pressure on a particular species, I would think that lobbying for more restrictive limits would be just as, if not more important, than flaming on a person who is fishing legally. If we are going to be outraged by anything, I would save it for the practices of the commercial fishing fleets. The impact of anglers pales in comparison to the damage wrought by commercial fishing. The amount of bycatch that is wasted for each fish that goes to market is staggering. Legally catching fish for my family and friends doesn't bother me; buying fish at the market does. Maybe we should channel our energy towards solving that problem.

[Ryan The Sealion]

If I were to complain about 1 thing @ LJ besides the 9-balls in the skiffs, it would be the guides and their bunched up clusterfucks of uneducated anglers/yakers...

kill another 1 tomorrow for sammons brad :twisted:

[kurt]

I think it's interesting that fish is still one of the few foods that are caught wild, and you can go to any grocery store and buy. I don't see many elk or bison steaks in the cooler at Von's. I'm not sure what that means, but maybe it is better to give fish to people than have them buy it and support destructive commercial practices. I could be wrong. I keep fish, and release fish, so I guess I'm just wishy-washy.

[DESTROYER]

Very nice response Ryan! :? Do you even no Jim? . Brad can do whatever he wants. It's a free country and he is in the legal limits each day to keep what he does. I guess we just never here about the C & R stories. I was one of the first guys ever to post on this site and to support it. I have always embrace the whole kayak community and supported every kayak web site. In the old days, we could make comments to one another and then see each other out on the water and have a laugh about it later. With sponsorships, teams, and the growth of this sport, has come tournaments, prestige, and the glory of posting a huge fish with your face lighting up every web page. Disagreements have become more frequent, enemy's made, clicks, etc. I almost regret posting stuff sometimes because I'm afraid of how it will come off to others. I'm sure all of you have a Jim story. Here's my story:

My dad got brain cancer and Jim was the first person to step up and offer assistance to help my family with their piling medical bills. My dad passed away one month before the LJKF tournament and Jim offered to put my dad's name on it, keeping Steve Moyer's name alive and giving half the money to my mom and the other half to the ACS. Now wheather you like his view or not, he's a stand up guy and a great sportsman. He also kills fish.....but just like our American Indian's attitude, he takes from the ocean only what he needs. His meathods of teaching other might come off like preaching or just being a Dick, but I assure you all that your hating on the wrong person. MY 2 CENTS!

TL-Matt Moyer

[Tman]

Amen brotha Matt. Well said.

Jim has done alot for this sport, and in naming his tourney in honor of Mr. Moyer was, to me personally, worthy.

Before any panties get bunched up in a wad, I am not defending anyone.
The first Cali my boy caught was an 18 1/2 incher. Yes we kept it, with no fear of backlash. And in knowing Brad from the fishing grounds and his posts, he does spend alot of time on the water and has paid his dues. As with all of the regulars that spend time on the pond, calis are not what they chase after. It is the pictures of the elusives that they covet and target. To eat.
And these guys are like me, I do not buy fish from the stores, for the simple reason of how they are caught and the bycatch that is discarded.

This is just my opinion, and like arseholes, everybody has one.
I pesonally, as with my friends (boaters...arrrrgh!) prefer that our friends eat fresh fish than go to a store.

The way I see it, if I could get out 4 times a week, maybe more, it would increase my odds. Ergo, with the time on the water some of the regs are putting in, they are definitely getting skunked on the prizes more often than they are catching, as the only posts with pictures are when they are catching.

As far as Jim taking clients out and teaching them, that is his biz, and he does teach the conservative issue. Maybe we should say thank you instead of bashing, it could be worse, we could have an overabundance of clueless fishermen out there with no etiquette.

Just my thoughts, feel free to bash.....

[lamb]

Oh, now niiiice. Heavy metal thread.

I’m a member of Kurt’s wishy-washy club when it comes to catch or release. Lamb I mostly keep. It’s good to eat and I enjoy taking care of my friends. I hope we can all agree it’s is no one’s business to judge if it’s cool to supply friends with fish. It would be like judging is it cool to have a lot of friends.

Calicos I used to kill and eat without forgiving. It may have been Jim’s preaching that made me realize it’s not that cool. Jim has thought a lot of people a lot of good things about our sport. I see one particularly talented client in "Winter Yellowtail" section on 12/6/03:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20031206-9999_mz1s6weigh.html

I think the least cool thing about Jim is that he's not playing WCW. His clients keep him busy, so we would even stand a chance to kick his butt. :lol: The whole BWE game would be more interesting. Maybe that would help to have less of this timely bad blood, team this, team that, all that? We’re one, ask Bono. ;)

I now barely take calicos. I think 1 killed only 1 this year.

Brad is pretty much the same way… We know that. So this whole discussion is absurd. Looks like we’re bored and need to hit the water ASAP.

All I know is I’m beating Matt’s ass in BWE this year too. Can I Get An Amen, brutha?!? :lol:

[lamb]

...nice tail Brad!

[Ryan The Sealion]

thats great, i'm sure he's a good guy... I still hate his guided clusterfucks ;)

[Iceman]

At least we know what happened to the 3#er that A&J released. It went on an uncontrollable eating binge that ended with Brad's mac :lol: :twisted: :lol:

[Zed]

I never had any interest in being a sportsman. In some ways, I find the notion of hooking and potentially injuring fish just for pleasure, or "sport", less morally defensible than fishing for meat. Walking around the neighborhood trying to kick cats would be sport as well, but most would say somewhat cruel.

I just spit coffee.

Getting the ball rolling on the WCCK©, as I type.

West
Coast
Cat
Kicking©
Points for distance and number of breeds booted.

Of course I'm kidding, who else but my cat will eat my blood lines and rolly-polly eyeballs?

Z

PS CnR fishermen help the stupid fish learn. Ha. I know I've raised the IQ of the Laguna bass, by at least 0.0000001. They think twice about my plastics, so I have to step it up to stay ahead.

[Lit-up1]

I can't past the lick the cat image :?
PS: I killed 6 Albacore this week up to 40lbs and I will not be freezing any.
Dave

[Zed]

I can't past the lick the cat image :?
Too much porn.

[madscientist]

Some real funny stuff, guys. Just some final thoughts.

Matt, you can have some fish anytime. But you really should catch your own. :lol: I can give you some numbers or guide you if it will help. :wink:

Jim, I thru back 5 nice cali's tonight (like I usually do), because none of them spilt my beer (a captial offense on my boat) and I consider them bait stealing trash fish (except when the wife wants tacos). I don't report all the bonies, barries, calis, spanish, short lings, etc I throw back because, really, who cares. :D

I think Jim is right about one thing, and that is that people sometimes get the wrong idea about some of us that fish a lot. They think we score all the time and are up to our eyeballs in fillets. They don't notice when two weeks go by and we haven't reported a nice fish. I'm out there 3-5 days a week, every week, all year. I didn't catch a YT in Feb, Mar, April, or May despite putting in close to 400 hours on the water. I didn't catch a point fish from Jan 6th to April 7th. Weeks like last where I load up are the reward for those long stretches of futility. I am not surprised that people sometimes only see the successes, but I am surprised that one of the most experienced people made that mistake.

Personally, I am completely agnostic on C&R. Frankly, I don't consider it my business what anyone else does within the constraints of the law, and even then it's not my job to police or judge. I guess I come from a different culture where the polite response to someone's post would be "Nice fish, thanks for sharing" and any concerns would be dealt with personally. I guess I'm still adjusting to the fact that on this coast it seems every one must have an opinion on everything other people do, and must publicly share that opinion because they are so very important that, of course, everyone wants to know said opinion. I guess it's entertaining in a way. But I think I've got the shameless self promotion thing down. :? :lol:

I think I'll go kick my cat now. :lol:

[DESTROYER]

Calling Jim's guided trips clusterfucks says alot about what you don't no. Jim teaches newbies to stay away from others trolling lines, not to cross in front or behind, stay away the from the sporties, and other edicate that helps not piss off pros like yourself :roll: . I don't no you ryan, but I'm sure your a stand up guy when your not jumping on the bandwagon to bash an individuals lively hood to feed his kids. Jim has guided a lot of guys we all no, Arne, Brad, Art, and many others who have become great kayak anglers. I'm not saying that he made the great fisherman, they were already that, I am saying that he teaches some great edicate for the sport. Jim's a smart ass, we all no it. Take him or leave him, he does great things for this sport.

TL-Matt

[BROWN]

Great read.

Hey Jim when is the C&R class? :D

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Thanks as always for the support Matt, you are a true friend.

Brad, this was not meant to be a personal attack, just a way to get people thinking and talking. You did push my one big button on the cali thing. It was not the keeping of a Calico it was the.
Photo holding up tuna and the I got 3BF 1YF 1 dorado and YT five days in a row. Now I need to kill a rat yellow and calicos for dinner just a couple of days later. It just screams of gluttony and everyone knows how I feel about Calicos :wink:

I was not raised on the East Coast I am a west coaster and have spent my entire life in or around the water. I was taught to use and respect what it has to offer. Catch fish, keep fish eat fish, go do it again. Always with the idea of rarely freeze it, it is better fresh. No fish in the freezer means another excuse to go fishing. I was also taught about catch and release and fishing for sport. Which I really enjoy, I do keep fish but I am not what would be called a meat fisherman. I fish to be on the water and enjoy the sport of catching fish. Believe me I understand the killing of fish, how much shit did I take for killing a Marlin. I was just never taught or have bought into the feed the village mentality. Sure I also give fish to friends on occasion but it is certainly not what I go fishing for nor do I feel the need to do it or that it justifies killing more fish that I could go out and catch next time for my family. So now you know how I feel and Brad please accept my apology if you felt this was an attack on your character that was not the intent. Like I said you just kind of pushed my button.

Ryan, I don't know you and as far as I know have never spoken with or seen you. I guess with your comments you have seen me and have observed one of my classes. I don't think you have ever taken one. Please let me know what it is that we are doing that is causing this clusterfuck for you. I am sure you have years of experience from which I can learn from. :wink:
Honestly dude, I try to teach people how to do this sport safely and with consideration of others on the water with a bit of ethic. How does this pain you? I certainly get clients that don't know up from down, think how they would be if they didn't take a class and headed out to fish next to you. :shock:

If you do decide to start the cat kicking competition let me know, I have one running around in my house that I am willing to donate to the cause.

[Kevin]

I think Jim wins for the best "hug it out" post so far this year. :lol:


Kevin

aka yak slam

[kareem korn]

Nice catch Brad. I hope to duplicate a tenth of your success tomorrow. I and a friend of mine will be in LJ with my kayak for the 1st time. Look forward to meeting some you guys. We will be in a green xfactor, and tye dyed extreme. More than likely running close together, since he's VERY green to ocean fishing.

P.S. We've spent two months fishing MB and SD harbour, so this a big day for us. :D

-Tim-

[Slay Rider]

"I never had any interest in being a sportsman. In some ways, I find the notion of hooking and potentially injuring fish just for pleasure, or "sport", less morally defensible than fishing for meat."

I could not have said it any better myself.

Nice fish Brad, thanks for sharing,
SR

[steveooo]

Awwww, im getting all teary eyed with all this niceness going around.
That was sweet.... honestly :roll:

[erinoo]

Interesting topic. I'm new to this sport, kayak fishing, but have been very successful. I attribute my success to this site, reading what all you experts do. Like the Mad Scientist, I to am a meat slayer, but that doesn't make me a non conservationist or a non sportsman, nothing I kill or take goes to waste, I obey the laws and regulations and I have many friends and family who are unable to fish, but still love to eat fresh fish and I supply it for them, they can't catch their own damm fish. I said I would never post on this site, just keep my thoughts to myself, but this last topic changed my mind. Generally, all of the regular posters seem to be good men and fine sportsmen, even you Mr. Mad Scientist. I’ve learned alot about this sport and I thank all of you. The Barbarian.

[Ryan The Sealion]

Ryan, I don't know you and as far as I know have never spoken with or seen you. I guess with your comments you have seen me and have observed one of my classes. I don't think you have ever taken one. Please let me know what it is that we are doing that is causing this clusterfuck for you. I am sure you have years of experience from which I can learn from. :wink:
Honestly dude, I try to teach people how to do this sport safely and with consideration of others on the water with a bit of ethic. How does this pain you? I certainly get clients that don't know up from down, think how they would be if they didn't take a class and headed out to fish next to you. :shock:


I'm just being a smart ass and trying to get a rise :P Nothin against you or ur tours...

ps-Don't get too cocky with that bold comment ;) I'll be glad to school ya @ any type of fishing u name :wink: :twisted: :lol:

[Lit-up1]

Sorry I thought you said lick the cat :roll:

[DESTROYER]

How about "Go Fish" for beers :D

Moyer

[madscientist]

Sorry I thought you said lick the cat :roll:

Pussy licking? :wink: I think I've heard of that.

[cabojohn]

Kitty porn?




I just saved a bunch of money on my auto insurance. :lol:

[Sog]

Ok, guys,


I've been fishin for 40+ years, and I've come to one conclusion: "Thou Shalt Not KIll." That's right; the Good Book says; "Thou Shalt Not Kill." It doesn't discriminate between : animal,vegetable, or fruit! So I agree with both Brad and Jim: we shouldn't eat Calico's, YTs, cows , broccoli or the rest. Catch release is a "NO-NO" as 10% of the fish we throw back die as well. So there it is=we must learn to photosynthesize.


regards,

The Beast from the East

[nmbrinkman]

sarcasm I hope...

[Sog]

edit

[madscientist]

Ok, guys,


I've been fishin for 40+ years, and I've come to one conclusion: "Thou Shalt Not KIll." That's right; the Good Book says; "Thou Shalt Not Kill." It doesn't discriminate between : animal,vegetable, or fruit! So I agree with both Brad and Jim: we shouldn't eat Calico's, YTs, cows , broccoli or the rest. Catch release is a "NO-NO" as 10% of the fish we throw back die as well. So there it is=we must learn to photosynthesize.


regards,

The Beast from the East

Don't listen to this sog guy. I saw him puke a bunch of green beans all over the shores last summer. Then he did he this....

http://www.bloodydecks.com/gallery/files/4/7/3/0/DSC00041.JPG

Nevermind all the coney island whitefish he's pulled out of Jamaica bay!

[nmbrinkman]

I saw the one post and thought we had a born-again peta supporter on deck....then I re-read and caught the "So there it is=we must learn to photosynthesize" part and noticed the sarcasm.....was dissapointed that I couldn't type some smart-assed comment.. :wink:...was there a screenname change, I recognize the "beast from the east" from somewhere....

[pimpthe805]

Ok, guys,


I've been fishin for 40+ years, and I've come to one conclusion: "Thou Shalt Not KIll." That's right; the Good Book says; "Thou Shalt Not Kill." It doesn't discriminate between : animal,vegetable, or fruit! So I agree with both Brad and Jim: we shouldn't eat Calico's, YTs, cows , broccoli or the rest. Catch release is a "NO-NO" as 10% of the fish we throw back die as well. So there it is=we must learn to photosynthesize.


regards,

The Beast from the East


i hope you sink.

[steamroll]

My schnitzel is bouncing


You laugh but its true

[Walter]

Madscientist wrote:

"I guess I'm still adjusting to the fact that on this coast it seems every one must have an opinion on everything other people do, and must publicly share that opinion because they are so very important that, of course, everyone wants to know said opinion. I guess it's entertaining in a way."

Why is that? I thought this was the laid back side of the country, but... :?: :?: :?: Some good old fashioned ballbreaking is taken so personally. :roll: :roll: :roll: Then it turns into a pussy kicking contest. :shock: :D :lol: ... then into a pussy licking contest to make each other feel better. :shock: :lol: :D

I could care less if someone catches a fish that's legal and keeps it or releases it. I'm just pissed because I don't live closer to La Jolla...

or lick much pussy these days :oops: :cry: :oops:

[Johnp]

As far as the Calico's go catch 22 reccomends keeping in the 12' to 17" range.

I keep only an occasional one but don't think anyone should but hammered for that.

Brads take is legal and i don't think out of line.

I know it's a business, but what does concern me is the heavy promotion of kayak fishing, radio talk shows, magazines, newspapers, seminars, and fishing shows.

No matter how much you push conservation people want to take fish home and the growing influx of new anglers will result in more fish taken than even brad :lol:

San Diego Native for 50 years and counting, Stumbled on kayak fishing a few years ago and love it, But with growing explosion of it i fear we might living in the good old day's.

Meanwhile i am going to enjoy every trip.

That being said, CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!! :)

[DESTROYER]

I've never seen a longer thread. Go to my orginal post to see what got it started :lol:

[Will B.]

I am glad to see people showing concern about the future of the sport or the fisheries or conservation in general.

I just read the most recent issue of BASS TIMES(a newletter associated with the freshwater bass tournaments) and there were many articles about the degredation of American streams(50%), about pollution, about the invasion of exotic species, about the lack of support for the environment in Washington, etc.

What it means is that freshwater bass anglers are really getting some savy about the larger issues.

It is my hope that us salt water anglers experience such a raise in consciousness as have our freshwater brethern.

But even if we don't, that Madscientist guy is funny as hell!! :D

[nmbrinkman]

Yeah, I wish I'd jumped on the kayak cart a long time before....I didn't really find out about it until I went to turners* one day and somebody brought it up....I was getting funds in order to pick up fishing gear to become another calf on the cattle boats....I googled it and found info, and found a list of recommended sites, checked it out and gradually started aquiring gear suited for yaking....But even from reading posts from a year or so ago...I can tell a big difference in the community of yakfishing....seems as though it's on a boom and it's not the tight circle like some of the vets refer to.....The bigger we get, the more government attention and possible intervention we will see....Enjoy the relative unrestriced ocean access and non licensed yaking that we have....I hear up north it's becoming a fight...






*I hate Turners.....Now that I know about Noah's, Squidco and other small tackle stores, I won't go back...

[madscientist]

Brad- I love you and your fishing style!

Moyer

Why didn't you just say that to begin with, twinkle toes! :lol: :lol:

Right back at ya. :D

[Dan]

But even from reading posts from a year or so ago...I can tell a big difference in the community of yakfishing....seems as though it's on a boom and it's not the tight circle like some of the vets refer to.....The bigger we get, the more government attention and possible intervention we will see....Enjoy the relative unrestriced ocean access and non licensed yaking that we have....I hear up north it's becoming a fight...



The kayak fishing community is small enough where any growth of the sport, be it numbers, commercialism, sub-groups, additional message boards (please stop :) ) seem like an expolosion. Even at La Jolla in mid summer, there are plenty of fish and plenty of elbow room. The good old days are still waaay ahead of us.

PS - Come November, the Zonies and Bonies will be gone and you'll find yourself all alone on a Tuesday morning with a big fat homeguard in your lap.

[DESTROYER]

Brad- I am a chef who likes to stir the pot from time to time :D

I hope that if there are any people out there that thought I was being an A-Hole....That's not me or my personality. I appologize to all the sensitive fisherman that thought I might be preaching my politics on fishing.

TL-Matt

[nmbrinkman]

The kayak fishing community is small enough where any growth of the sport, be it numbers, commercialism, sub-groups, additional message boards (please stop :) ) seem like an expolosion. Even at La Jolla in mid summer, there are plenty of fish and plenty of elbow room. The good old days are still waaay ahead of us.
I guess that was just my first season observations.....thanks for the clarification....So this is how it always is :shock:

[SlowPoke]

When is the next "Buy the Promoters a New Kayak and Trip to Cabo Fishing Tournament Raffle"?