To do a fishing report or not to do a fishing report?

[wiredantz]

This is the question.

Forgot to mention, NO NAMES WILL BE RECORDED AFTER YOU HAVE VOTED

Since there is an ongoing debate to post ontime fishing report and to wait to post on time fishing report.

I started this poll.

:cheers1:


On this PUBLIC board there are five types of people:


1) Spammers

2) Power Boaters

3) New kayakfisherman who want to know where to fish

4) Elite kayakfisherman who don't want to expose a hot bite

5) Kayakfisherman who dont' care


There are probably more:


Please post your opinions here

[YakMedic]

I say do whatever makes you happy. The naysayers can pound sand on both sides. You can't catch fish if you don't go fishing though.

[T Bone]

when I was a #3 I aspired to become a #4

Over time I became a #5...mostly...

[Drake]

1) Spammers

2) Power Boaters

3) New kayakfisherman who want to know where to fish

4) Elite kayakfisherman who don't want to expose a hot bite

5) Kayakfisherman who dont' care


6: Elite Kayak fisherman, who are willing to share information with those willing to put in the time to do research themselves. (Wade, Stinkymatt, Kevin, Scallywag, Greg Andrews, Steveooo and some others)

[PapaDave]

Put me down as a #5.

[tagyak]

Put me down as a #5.

xxxxx2 but willing to share info to those who pm me :D

[ctfphoto]

I'm a number 3 newbie who could care less like in number 5.

I just like to fish and lobster and I always catch something and all I know is that this is super fun and very addicting, just ask my wife on the latter.

[THE DARKHORSE]

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I'll stay out of this one; and, anyone of these threads for the remainder of time.

Perhaps, someone more computer literate than myself (which would include just about everyone on this board), could dig up the other hundred-or-so, ridiculous, silly, threads that got out of control---about this exact same subject!

Like I said, I'm not the best with search engines and such, but below I've posted a link to, one, of God knows how many, threads that require two glasses of wine to finish.

Speaking of, if you haven't had the pleasure of reading through a few of these, a bucket of single malt Scotch, small batch Bourbon, half bottle of wine or your favorite 40 oz is mandatory to read this. Better yet, make it a double. I don't care if you don't drink, trust me---mandatory!

Sit back, take your shoes off and enjoy! :biggrinjester:


http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=3020

[jorluivil]

To each his own.

Unless you're sharing information about the 'hot bite' with someone who can get out right then and there it really doesn't matter who you share it with. Some of us have families, bad shoulders, no money, jobs(graveyard in my case) and that awful honey-do-list. Look at the every post, look at who's catching the fish on a regular basis, its the yakkers that can get out right there and then, not those(like me) that live 100miles from the hot bite. As for me, I go when I can regardless of whether or not there is a hot bite. I have three wsb this year and countless hali's....still waiting for that YT, it'll come and I'm sure it'll come when I least expect it and that isn't during the 'hot bite'.

again, to each his own

[YakMedic]

6: Elite Kayak fisherman, who are willing to share information with those willing to put in the time to do research themselves. (Wade, Stinkymatt, Kevin, Scallywag, Greg Andrews, Steveooo and some others)

oh noooo...... stinkymatt was named elite. Time to light up the glow sticks for the rave, he doesn't need his ego to be boosted.:D

[Drake]

oh noooo...... stinkymatt was named elite. Time to light up the glow sticks for the rave, he doesn't need his ego to be boosted.:D

Haha I was hoping he was the first to see it. I'm sure a few keyboards will get spit on when people see that =)

[jorluivil]

Haha I was hoping he was the first to see it. I'm sure a few keyboards will get spit on when people see that =)


I and a few others fish with him on a regular basis and unfortunately also talk to him on a regular basis. I know that the minute he see's this he's going to print it, show it to his wife, kids, neighbors, his students and I'm also sure he'll frame it. The worst part is that he'll probably vacuum seal a copy of it and show it to us every trip and remind us during every phone conversation.

[Striperman1018]

Post if you feel like posting, dont if you dont. To each his own, it is what it is. I choose not to post more times than not. Not because I dont fish much (is 2 to 3 times a week a lot?) or dont catch fish (I dont have a waterproof camera thus I dont catch fish cuz i cant prove it) but its just not my thing anymore. To be completely honest im here more to look at quality fish porn and enjoy the stories. I dont fish in most the areas you all fish anyway so a timely report on a given area doesnt bother nor make me happy. I just enjoy the reads and try to learn something new every chance I get. Id put myself in the #3 slot without the wanting to know where to fish part, and the #5 slot also cuz who am I to tell you what you can and cant post and when you can and cant do it, nor do I care.

Just my 2 cents...

[RK]

JUST GO FISHING!!!!!!

Thats how you better understand your environment.



Just not in the rain because the rain can hurt you and fish are allergic to the rain........:cool:

[jorluivil]

One day even you "knuckle-draggers" who have nothing to offer will figure it out. True, it will take hundreds if not tens of thousands of hours on the water, but it will happen. While this learning-curve is taking place for you, why not sit back and watch a little before getting upset.

I concur:

Roughly 15 trips to LJ
200 miles round trip
Average of 5hrs drive time per trip
average of 6hrs on the water

Call it research, call it luck, call it the hot bite, call it whatever you want
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I'LL CALL IT FISHING

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af96/jorgelvillegas/First%20White%20Seabass/LJBWEGang007-1.jpg

[mtnbykr2]

To each his own.

Unless you're sharing information about the 'hot bite' with someone who can get out right then and there it really doesn't matter who you share it with. Some of us have families, bad shoulders, no money, jobs(graveyard in my case) and that awful honey-do-list. Look at the every post, look at who's catching the fish on a regular basis, its the yakkers that can get out right there and then, not those(like me) that live 100miles from the hot bite. As for me, I go when I can regardless of whether or not there is a hot bite. I have three wsb this year and countless hali's....still waiting for that YT, it'll come and I'm sure it'll come when I least expect it and that isn't during the 'hot bite'.

again, to each his own
I agree x2 let's just fish...and have a good time peace out:reeling: by the way great picture

[DESTROYER]

I missed that thread Josh, thanks for sharing.

I liked Madscientist's quote about never catching a fish from the couch.

Most of you won't see much of me out in LJ fishing for the elusive YT, WSB or Halibut anymore. I will still chase them from time to time but I've change my passion towards Calico Bass, Sand Bass, and Spotted Bay Bass. The thing I know about those species is that they will always be there and for me they are fun to catch.

I voted "No" I don't share or post right away because when I did I got crap for it just like many others. Most of my crap was from phone calls and not on a private forum. Soon, I was no longer in the "Click" because I was known for ruining bites. I had to be a Pioneer and create my own bites which I did from time to time but not all the time. So, moving forward, I now enjoy sharing my fishing days with others and no one cares about BASS. To most of you they are by catch. But to me, a 6 pound Calico is a trophy.

The next time I catch a nice fish in LJ, I will not have a problem posting a picture and a story. I feel I have grown up and those around me will either accept me for who I am or avoid me like the plague.

I've been around this industry for a long time now and I think you should do whatever you feel is good. Have fun and fish! :cheers1:

TL- Matt Moyer

[tunaseeker]

Well said Matt! :)

[wiredantz]

oh noooo...... stinkymatt was named elite. Time to light up the glow sticks for the rave, he doesn't need his ego to be boosted.:D

Lol you know matt to well rofl

Lol I luv George comment that he is gooing to laminate it and show it to his kids. Lol

The real funny part is that he is going to rub it in my face everytime we go out!

[bus kid]

I think we should go back to the Revo vs PA thread...:the_finger::the_finger::the_finger:

On my to Costco to get the big box of popcorn.
note to admins / mods, we need a popcorn smiley.

[wiredantz]

Let the POLL CONTINUE:!!!! 425 views and only 26 people voted???



What i have been taught and what i agree on... ( You can disagree or agree ) Post your comments and put in your answer in the poll. (its raining so pull out the popcorn) :p

Matt aka Stinkymatt, always gives me a earful for not posting current on the water reports. I use to post current on the water reports, but I use to get alot of hate messages. So now I wait a few weeks on public forums. I Also don't like to post my honey holes but I'll share a hot bite with my fellow kayakers by private messages. Especially the people who helped me learn to fish. Most of the people who share hot bites don't want me to post a bite so I follow their wishes, since they spent countless of hours to find it.


On the other hand if someone wants to share a hot bite, I do not care. I just won't post one myself because I have been taught the underground kayakfishing laws by my teachers. Have I been taught wrong? I don't think so. I use discretion now on what i post.

Simply, the idea that you "deserve" others hard earned information is ridiculous. Be happy with what you get, learn to read between the lines, and there is no substitute for time on the water.
:idea:

Oh, by the way I fished today. The water temp was 58.1, with twelve-feet of visibility, tons of greenbacks, and an entire fleet of boats with not one fish caught.
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:


Josh said" learn to read between the lines" so I have, but it also helPs having friends that share current intel by pm.

I do like this site very much, I met most of you through the site. I am also able to get a fishing buddy through this site whenever I go out.


So to finish my story:


I will protect a hotbite because that is what I have been taught. I for one HATE trying to fish in a crowded spot, but I'll do it.



Go out and fish you won't catch anything by reading this and you won't find your own honey holes if you just stay at home. The ocean is big, make some friends and go out.



Have fun


-frank

Im still paying my dues, but I will say that being on a Kayak really cuts down your "fishing range" on the water, its not like I can just fire up 225horses and blaze off to the 390.

I dont blame you guys on bit for trying to keep the bite on the DL. Stealth is one of a Kayaks biggest assets. Nothing will shut it down faster then a lot of PB running around everywhere.

So keep posting the way its been going, a few days after the bite. If I need intel I'll drop by the launch or PM a few friends, better yet Ill just go fish. Time on the water is what its all about, fish are just icing on the cake.

The out of town guys, I feel your pain on the gas and time. Make a few more friends that live here and let them know you maybe coming down. Ive seen nothing but great guys paddling around out there, Im sure the info will flow. Hope to see all of you out there. Frank

[bubblehide]

[QUOTE=wiredantz;96882]This is the question:


Since there is an ongoing debate to post ontime fishing report and to wait to post on time fishing report.

I started this poll.

:cheers1:...End Quote


ROTFLMAO

[wiredantz]

OMG!!!!



StinkyMatt just GLOBAL Phone TEXT EVERYONE THAT HE IS ELITE:rolleyes:
Elite Matt from Navy Seals.
Yes Captain.!

6: Elite Kayak fisherman, who are willing to share information with those willing to put in the time to do research themselves. (Wade, Stinkymatt, Kevin, Scallywag, Greg Andrews, Steveooo and some others)


This is going to last forever. Thanks Drake...

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/Hooping1012011018copia.jpg

[kareem korn]

Toilet paper over the top or the bottom?



:boxing_smiley:




It's too windy to fish right now

[wiredantz]

[QUOTE=wiredantz;96882]This is the question:


Since there is an ongoing debate to post ontime fishing report and to wait to post on time fishing report.

I started this poll.

:cheers1:...End Quote


ROTFLMAO

Fixed :p

[StinkyMatt]

Frank you look DRUNK!


Quit drinking my beer when I'm busy pulling in loads of lobster.:D

[bubblehide]

Fixed :p


wew, glad you fixed it! :notworthy:

[Whizz Bang]

There ARE real Navy SEALS on this site, a few actually. Weird huh? Awesome pic tho guys.

[DanaPT]

All we get in the forum on days like today. . . Non-sense.

Bring back the sun. bring back the fish porn. Whether the report is hot off the press on a WFO bite or two weeks old, I'll read AND enjoy it.

I think I'm #5.

[Drake]

Forget SEALS, I wannt be a TUNA
Tactical Underwater Nautical Assasin

[tagyak]

I and a few others fish with him on a regular basis and unfortunately also talk to him on a regular basis. I know that the minute he see's this he's going to print it, show it to his wife, kids, neighbors, his students and I'm also sure he'll frame it. The worst part is that he'll probably vacuum seal a copy of it and show it to us every trip and remind us during every phone conversation.

not to mention that he DID text it to us.....LOL

[deepdvr]

There ARE real Navy SEALS on this site, a few actually. Weird huh? Awesome pic tho guys.


From my experience, SEALS are average fisherman at best. The CAG bubba's are the one's who really know how to fish. ;)

[Fiskadoro]

ROTFLMAO Funny stuff indeed!!!

Basically your damned if you do damned if you don't. I mean you just can't win.

For example a few years back I caught I decent C-bass at La Jolla while fishing alone one afternoon. No wide open squid bite just a lone slug I got dropper looping a mack. Got some tourists to take a pic almost right where I got it. I waited a month to post about it and even photoshopped the location before I put the pic up, and I instantly got shit for posting the wide open bite. Maybe fate set it up so I actually posted the altered pic during a new hot bite, in a new location but more likely it was just someone that wanted to start shit.

Likewise last spring I posted a single pic of a friend and his seabass with something along the lines of "They are out there!" On another yak site. You couldn't tell the location from the pic but more importantly there was no wide open bite to spoil. My buddy just picked up a single fish by waiting them out and being in the right place at the right time. Evidently some other jerkoff saw the pic, had fished that day, and since he did not get one (there was only one caught) he got his panties in a big wad. Next thing I know this jerk has emailed all his buddies and they are all complaining that I had single handedly ruined a bite that never existed. The irony was that none of those guys got any seabass at that location for months, precisely because it never went wide open, and my friend manged several more over then next few months just picking them up one at a time by waiting them out.

Dude you know who you are congrats again!!!

Bottom line there are no standards and as a result people just give shit to who they want to. Some can post fish right in the middle of bite and don't get shit at all. Others post things that could no way effect the bite and people go after them using it as an excuse even though their real agendas have nothing to do with the particular posting, the actual fishing conditions or even the bite, if it exists or not.


At this point personally I'm like: Why bother. There are some in the internet fishing scene that are always going to be a-holes, it's in their nature and unlike normal people they have nothing else to do with their lives other then sit around on a few message boards, give people shit all day, or make up a bunch of childish drama behind the scenes.

I personally don't need the aggravation. Fighting with such retards is retarded.

Now that I no longer post much I have much more time for things I really enjoy like actually fishing, building new things, women and drinking. Works for me!!

Jim

[pchen911]

Most people in category 5: (Those who don't care to post).

Are created by people in category 4. (Those who jump on someone's ass for posting).

Someone who is not all that bothered by having a few more kayaks or boats on the water. Someone who believe the impact is limited and would prefer to welcome new people in the sport because it is a fair and positive trade-off. Someone who appreciate reading and enjoy reporting on timely conditions.

Ends up choosing NOT posting because they don't want to deal with the drama that is created by those in category 4.

The evolution of the kayak fisherman, if going from:
-> Newbie who come to read -> Fisherman who read and share -> Fisherman who no longer share
Should result in a constant state of reporting by the second group, if there is a constant inflow of fresh blood into the sport.

The website would remain in a fairly steady state where there is always a group of people willing to share their reports. The site would not change even though the individual fisherman evolves from one category to the next.

But that is not the case we have here. Here, we find the website itself have evolved from one that used to have timely reports to one that does not.

The possible causes are: either there is a reduction in the number of people getting into this sport so there is a reduction in the numbers progressing into group 2 from group 1. Or, there is an increase in the number of people who jump on others asses for reporting.

I believe it is the latter reason that caused the change in this website.

[monkeyfishturds]

Funny stuff indeed!!!

Basically your damned if you do damned if you don't. I mean you just can't win.

For example a few years back I caught I decent C-bass at La Jolla while fishing alone one afternoon. No wide open squid bite just a lone slug I got dropper looping a mack. Got some tourists to take a pic almost right where I got it. I waited a month to post about it and even photoshopped the location before I put the pic up, and I instantly got shit for posting the wide open bite. Maybe fate set it up so I actually posted the altered pic during a new hot bite, in a new location but more likely it was just someone that wanted to start shit.

Likewise last spring I posted a single pic of a friend and his seabass with something along the lines of "They are out there!" On another yak site. You couldn't tell the location from the pic but more importantly there was no wide open bite to spoil. My buddy just picked up a single fish by waiting them out and being in the right place at the right time. Evidently some other jerkoff saw the pic, had fished that day, and since he did not get one (there was only one caught) he got his panties in a big wad. Next thing I know this jerk has emailed all his buddies and they are all complaining that I had single handedly ruined a bite that never existed. The irony was that none of those guys got any seabass at that location for months, precisely because it never went wide open, and my friend manged several more over then next few months just picking them up one at a time by waiting them out.

Dude you know who you are congrats again!!!

Bottom line there are no standards and as a result people just give shit to who they want to. Some can post fish right in the middle of bite and don't get shit at all. Others post things that could no way effect the bite and people go after them using it as an excuse even though their real agendas have nothing to do with the particular posting, the actual fishing conditions or even the bite, if it exists or not.


At this point personally I'm like: Why bother. There are some in the internet fishing scene that are always going to be a-holes, it's in their nature and unlike normal people they have nothing else to do with their lives other then sit around on a few message boards, give people shit all day, or make up a bunch of childish drama behind the scenes.

I personally don't need the aggravation. Fighting with such retards is retarded.

Now that I no longer post much I have much more time for things I really enjoy like actually fishing, building new things, women and drinking. Works for me!!

Jim

http://kayaksportfishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10616

http://kayaksportfishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10641

[bluesquids]

Internet is to fishing what Gidget was to surfing. IMO.

[YakMedic]

http://kayaksportfishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10641

How is it you have 3 postings and 2 of which are against Jim Day? Just saying.....
Disclaimer* I have never spoke, fished or met Jim. Just seems funny that's all.

[wiredantz]

LOL, I can't believe, You revived that old post. :p

All I wanted was a fishing buddy that memorial day, and out came Kayak Turf Wars.


By the way 1000 Views and only 39 voted.


Please do not attack anyone for their opinions if they choose to write one.

I just want to get a count of the ACTIVE USERS of B.W.E. but it is also very interesting to see the amount of views in relationship to the people who voted.

[monkeyfishturds]

How is it you have 3 postings and 2 of which are against Jim Day? Just saying.....
Disclaimer* I have never spoke, fished or met Jim. Just seems funny that's all.

I have never spoke, fished or met Jim Day either. Just read all his threads and comments on Allcoast, Kayaksportfishing and Bigwatersedge. Just saying.....

[StinkyMatt]

Nice catch on that Matt. We don't need that Junior High stuff on here.:mad:

[dsafety]

I had not planned to post in this thread but the evolution theory that pchen911 posted intrigued me. I think that he is right.

I used to post a lot more than I do these days. One of the reasons was that when I was new to this, I was all excited about all the new things that I saw and learned. To me it was all worth sharing. As I became more experienced, I realized that a lot of people, particularly the ones who have been around awhile could care less about the observations and expeiriences of an excited newbie.

It is kind of like a combination of the "Circle of Life" and Been There... "Done That". Fortunately, newcomers are constantly joining this sport and for those people, these posts, redundant as they may be from a historical perspective, contain a bunch of new and useful information.

I also agree with what Jim Day said. Many who have been on this site for a while have stopped posting because they just don't want to deal with the occasional bully who gets his kicks by flaming others. Reading that crap gets old very quickly. Some of the hateful emails and PMs that folks have shared with me over the years have been just plain mean.

Maybe the discussion in this thread will help nudge some of us who have been lounging in Category 5 back to Category 3 where our cheerful voices will help drown out the bitches and moans flowing from the haters in our group.

Bob

[maui jim]

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION????? AND WHO MADE THE POPCORN?

[wiredantz]

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION????? AND WHO MADE THE POPCORN?

The question is:

Should we post a up to date current fishing report that may potentially expose a hot bite to Everyone? This will give hundreds of people a chance to catch a fish.

This is the question for the poll.


The popcorn is a figure of speech for those that are sitting on their computers watching where this thread may head.

[mtnbykr2]

IMO I would post current, to me the more the merrier, you guys know that by now, but interesting question and fun reading, I kinda have to agree with "D" on this one.
By the way Frank, you and Matt make a cute couple...still miss the hats though...:reel:
Matt... I am still waiting

[Regor]

Whats a Hot Bite?
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I posted a YT report on Saturday night, the same day I caught it (after 11 hours on the water)
"Red tide or not, fish gotta eat, and so do I!"
http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=11541

Did this cause anyone to run out Sunday and fish, thinking it might be WFO?

Would I run out and fish right away just because a number of fish reports were posted? Nope. Did I this year. Nope. What was happening 2 months ago - fish at midnight, with squid, and your pretty much guaranteed a WSB,,,,, just so happens I don't care to fall asleep on the water, or risk getting hit by a PB :)

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Sometimes I post right away, sometimes I wait a week or two, nothing meant by it to me. Just depends on how I feel, and if there have been a lack of "Fish" reports lately.

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[-scallywag-]

Fortunately, newcomers are constantly joining this sport and for those people, these posts, redundant as they may be from a historical perspective, contain a bunch of new and useful information.


OK fine Bob....the weather is crappy and I dont feel like working so I'll toss my $.02 in the pot (plus Frank asked)....

I love reading your (BWE members) fishing reports/stories but one thing you guys gotta understand, keeping "up to date bite info" off of a public forum has alot more to do with respecting our fisheries than keeping fellow kayakers from catching a trophy fish.

I'm sure most new guys don't realize that there are no daily bag limits for commercial H&L fisherman and that during these "bites", which are usually during spawning aggrigations, its possible for one or two guys in a boat to lay waste to 10, 20 or even 40 trophy fish in a few hrs!! What about 1 private boat with 4 guys on it(x50)? What about a sport boat with 40 people on it eager to "slay it" in some limit style fishing?...Is that what you really want to do? How about those seiners, anyone like fishing with them around?....for those of you that don't realize it yet, one post on this site, much like BD, has the possibility of pulling 100's of people out of the woodworks and right onto the perceived "bite", in less than 24hrs.

Here are three quick guidelines I try to follow when considering posting a timely report:

Did I catch it on squid?

Did someone else personally give me the info (what,when and where) that led to my catch?

Did I catch, see or hear of multiple fish caught in the same area around the same time, multiple days in a row?


If I answer yes to any of those questions, which is generally the case, I will wait to post the fish, and I do my best to provide some useful tips/details in that post or not post at all.....again this is out of respect for the fishery and the guys who put in all the leg/arm work to get me the info to catch the fish....not to hate on my brothers. If you see me on the water, you can be sure you'll get the freshest dope available along with bait and beer offerings :D.

[WahooUSMA]

I had not planned to post in this thread but the evolution theory that pchen911 posted intrigued me. I think that he is right.

I used to post a lot more than I do these days. One of the reasons was that when I was new to this, I was all excited about all the new things that I saw and learned. To me it was all worth sharing. As I became more experienced, I realized that a lot of people, particularly the ones who have been around awhile could care less about the observations and expeiriences of an excited newbie.

It is kind of like a combination of the "Circle of Life" and Been There... "Done That". Fortunately, newcomers are constantly joining this sport and for those people, these posts, redundant as they may be from a historical perspective, contain a bunch of new and useful information.

I also agree with what Jim Day said. Many who have been on this site for a while have stopped posting because they just don't want to deal with the occasional bully who gets his kicks by flaming others. Reading that crap gets old very quickly. Some of the hateful emails and PMs that folks have shared with me over the years have been just plain mean.

Maybe the discussion in this thread will help nudge some of us who have been lounging in Category 5 back to Category 3 where our cheerful voices will help drown out the bitches and moans flowing from the haters in our group.

Bob


X-2!

[Fiskadoro]

I have never spoke, fished or met Jim Day either.Just read all his threads and comments on Allcoast..... and Bigwatersedge. Just saying.....


Just saying a bunch I'd say.

You know people have patterns and if you're smart you can get used to seeing them and ascertain what they are about. For instance I've always been interested in the fact that whenever you attack me you always bring up Allcoast.

In a little over a decade I put 10773 Posts up at Allcoast. You have six, and two of the six give me shit. My personal favorite is the first. Where you signed up in 2006 just to flame my first Big Halibut Kayak fishing Report. http://www.allcoast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfm?topic_ID=48187&page=2 it was the only negative post in the thread.:notworthy:

Here at BWE I have 723 Posts. You have 4, and three of those four give me shit.

So considering the amount of time in the last decade that you must of spent on those boards to read:"all my threads and comments on Allcoast..... and Bigwatersedge.", and then considering the fact that you only have 10 posts on both those boards combined half of which are attacks directed at me, with no reports whatsoever.... Well... I got to say when it comes to the original topic: "do a fishing report or not to do a fishing report" It's fair to say that when it comes to timely posting of reports you are definitely in the NO!!! Fishing reports category. :D

In fact I'd say you actually epitomize anti sharing, anti report sentiment on the internet. The irony being that you actually seem to believe that people like you are far more valuable to these sites then people who contribute and help others.:you_rock:

[paintnfish]

yawn

[wiredantz]

Stay on topic... No personal attacks please

[monkeyfishturds]

Just saying a bunch I'd say.

You know people have patterns and if you're smart you can get used to seeing them and ascertain what they are about. For instance I've always been interested in the fact that whenever you attack me you always bring up Allcoast.

In a little over a decade I put 10773 Posts up at Allcoast. You have six, and two of the six give me shit. My personal favorite is the first. Where you signed up in 2006 just to flame my first Big Halibut Kayak fishing Report. http://www.allcoast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfm?topic_ID=48187&page=2 it was the only negative post in the thread.:notworthy:

Here at BWE I have 723 Posts. You have 4, and three of those four give me shit.

So considering the amount of time in the last decade that you must of spent on those boards to read:"all my threads and comments on Allcoast..... and Bigwatersedge.", and then considering the fact that you only have 10 posts on both those boards combined half of which are attacks directed at me, with no reports whatsoever.... Well... I got to say when it comes to the original topic: "do a fishing report or not to do a fishing report" It's fair to say that when it comes to timely posting of reports you are definitely in the NO!!! Fishing reports category. :D

In fact I'd say you actually epitomize anti sharing, anti report sentiment on the internet. The irony being that you actually seem to believe that people like you are far more valuable to these sites then people who contribute and help others.:you_rock:

Mr. Day, that is not me on allcoast. Above you refered to people as jerkoffs and assholes. So i linked to the story you were talking about. I'm not attacking you. Just showing how people feel about exposing a bite, which is the topic of this thread. My opinion to this topic is that it is harmful to the fishery. Sportboats do this and gang together to slaughter huge schools of baracuda and other fish. I hope kayakfishermen don't follow in their footsteps.

[TCS]

I'm with the Darkhorse on this one, this question is about as likely to reach a solution as the Israelis and Palestinians are to hold hands and live in peace forever. But it is entertaining.

I agree with Scally's comment too. Don't expose a squid bite on the internet, although it won't keep angry skiff guy away. He's always on it.

[bubblehide]

http://kayaksportfishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10616

http://kayaksportfishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10641


It's been a while since I've been to that site, not much going on there in a long while. But wow the thread in that first link sure looks like no one had a problem, I can't see how it's related to the topic; either that or half of it got left on the editing floor. But then again, that was posted in May, and there's never been a hot bite in the Boo in May.

[bubblehide]

But then again, I'd rather be fishing, hunting,.... than taking silly surveys; so back to the real stuff:

I'm still nailing um at that same local spot, here's a sea bass from my last outing there, just last month.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/bubblehide/P1010495.jpg?t=

[StinkyMatt]

How do you keep a secret when two people know it?

You kill one of them!:D


The chance of several hundred people trying to keep a bite quiet? Get real folks it ain't gonna happen.

It only takes one person to spill the beans, you know there will always be that one person.


So, living in S. California get used to fishing with a little company.

Focus on your trips/ experiences and move over if it is a little too crowded.

Tight lines folks.


Hot bite on Lobster, WSB and 30 lb YT going on right now in LJ!:D:D:D

[bubblehide]

How do you keep a secret when two people know it?

You kill one of them!:D


The chance of several hundred people trying to keep a bite quiet? Get real folks it ain't gonna happen.

It only takes one person to spill the beans, you know there will always be that one person.


So, living in S. California get used to fishing with a little company.

Focus on your trips/ experiences and move over if it is a little too crowded.

Tight lines folks.


Hot bite on Lobster, WSB and 30 lb YT going on right now in LJ!:D:D:D


x2

[Fiskadoro]

Mr. Day, that is not me on allcoast.....

LMAO!!! Yeah... Sure... and it's not you here either I suppose :D

That's the beauty of you using these stupid aliases, it's never you, it's always some other concerned poster, that never seems to post except when you have an agenda or an axe to grind, and need to get a few anonymous jabs in :notworthy:

i linked to the story you were talking about.

I saw that. Of course there were other threads involved, and like Gary said it looks like someone sanitized (edited) the threads. That said... if you can read past the attacks in the second one there is still some good stuff there.

For instance I posted:

Kayaking gives us and advantage with prespawn fish that no-one else can capitalize on, so it's not going to hurt the fishery to talk about targeting prespawn Seabass. I guess you could say that I have learned the difference between a prespawn bite, and the wide open bite that comes with the spawn, and figured out that we can catch them in prespawn mode when no-one else can. Prespawn the fish are in the kelp are sluggish, not very active, they do not move around much and do not want to fight current or chase down bait. We all know what a spawning bite is, when it's wide open and anyone can catch them but with prespawn fish you have to be there at the right place, at the right time, and present a bait right in front of a fishes nose to get bit. It's literally that the fish are lazy, because they are conserving energy for the spawn.... Party boats and private boaters can not fish those prespawn fish because they do not have the maneuverability or the time to wait them out, get right in front of them and then present a bait with enough finesse to get bit like we can do in a kayak. Is it a wide open thing where you get fish all the time, hell no!!! You have to fish the crap out of them to catch fish in a prespawn pattern. There's a lot of variables that have to line up: the current has to be right and you have to be in the right place at the right time, with the right bait, so it's more of a patience stalking and waiting game, but if you put in the time you can get some real trophies fishing prespawn fish from a kayak even if they are almost impossible to catch any other way....

Anyone can clearly read that in the middle of that web lynching I was still trying to help people catch fish, but additionally it's clear that my own words, from your link prove the original point that I made here in this thread.

I did not post about a wide open squid bite. I did not expose a C-bass bite where Sportboats could gang together to slaughter huge schools of fish. The people that said I did were just full of it, using it as an excuse to attack, and it's obvious they had another agenda.

I was simply trying to help people get on fish that only kayakers could catch, from a scratch bite that clearly was never wide open. It was early May the water was still cold in the fifties up there. The fish were the kelp hardly moving at all. A few people got them through persistence but there was never wide open bite at BKR.

The truth is even though I've fished there for decades, I have never, ever posted a wide open BKR bite online in over a decade of posting on all of the various sites I've contributed to.

Last time I mentioned a wide open seabass bite online was the epic Rocky Point bite back in the late nineties. I certainly was not the only one, the web thing was new and we didn't know better, but I learned my lesson back then. 250 boats a day on that bite by midweek, probably over a thousand fish killed, and a bite that never materialized in those same numbers again. That's the kind of thing that leaves a lasting impression.

You see unlike some I have been around long enough to know that there are things you can post and things you can't. You wont see me posting a wide open inshore C-bass bite online that could lead to the kinds of overfishing you describe. You won't see me posting lobster reports when I'm hooping local that could lead to huge even dangerous crowds at my local breakwalls. You say you have read all my posts on multiple sites. Alright you want to post links well try and find a single report I have posted that lead to the massive overfishing you describe. Out of thousands of posts and hundreds of reports to choose from you cant' do it. I don't post those things because I know better based on experience.

This is not really a black or white, post reports or never post reports issue. It's really about educating people what they can and can not share online.

There are timely reports you can post: like solo fish that do not come off hot bites, or fish taken right before a cold front or blow out where the conditions are going to change.

You share what you can report wise and then fill in the gaps with technical info. I try to help people out and share what I can, but even then I run into trouble with the share no info, don't tell anyone where we fish, post only misinformation crowd.

My take is that's purely do to different agendas. Some just want to control the dialogue, promote their little cliques, then toot their own success at the expense of others. Others actually want to educate people and help them become better fisherman. I'm the latter, and my take is if your not here to help people catch fish then why bother with the boards at all.

Like I said: some people just give shit to who they want to. Some can post fish right in the middle of bite and don't get shit at all. Others post reports that could no way effect the bite and people go after them using it as an excuse even though their real agendas have nothing to do with the particular posting, or the actual fishing conditions.

Bottom line:The bite you and your buddies claimed I destroyed never existed. The whole blow up over posting the bite thing was just an excuse for you guys to push an agenda that had nothing to do with the original post, the actual fishing conditions at BKR or the phony wide open bite in May that was never even there.

[Billy V]

I wasn't going to make a post on this tread, but I feel too strongly about the subject to not speak up.

No - I would not post a timely report on BWE, or any other internet forum.

I have been told many times by powerboat fisherman from Bloody Decks and including The Blackman Forum members how they regularly search our site for Fish Info/Recent Reports about a bite.
Especially the West Coast Whoppers Forum

I have been told..
"we are as tight lipped as the mafia" .. true statement there, but it still doesn't dissuade them from searching our forum.

I don't mean this in a sarcastic way:
"You can catch quality fish everyday of the week in LJ - look down, they are swimming right underneath you !"
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I don't consider myself an elitist, or superfisherman - and I do not want to deprive any member here of quality information.

Rather, I respect the hard work, and long hours spent covering miles of water reading ever changing conditions and searching to locate fish.
Those members have no obligation to hand over their hard earned information to anybody.
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Getting away from the computer will be your best chance at catching a quality fish.

[-scallywag-]

How do you keep a secret when two people know it?

You kill one of them!:D


The chance of several hundred people trying to keep a bite quiet? Get real folks it ain't gonna happen.

It only takes one person to spill the beans, you know there will always be that one person.



Matt, I gotta disagree with you here buddy.....I have, on numerous occasions, seen these bites (even squid bites) last for weeks on end without one word on the public forums...and it wasn't because I was the only one out there....there where HUNDREDS of boats and yaks out, and every single one was catching multiple trophy fish.

True it only take one person to blow it, and they always do.... eventually (seems like its always a yaker too :rolleyes:)...but thats why we never told you!!!:biggrinjester:

Remember, the dope only flows one way....from the guys who make it to the guys who want, need and sometimes demand it (dopefiends)....don't throw your dope man under the bus. The only friends you'll make are more fiends.

[wiredantz]

Matt can't help it. When matt catches something, the inner child comes out of him and he wants to scream like a little girl, and If someone ask matt on the water where he got that big lunker his body shines like a star in the pitch of darkness and his mouth opens up like a amplifier speaker and uncontrolled words of his most deepest desires come out. This is when I have to tell matt Shut UP!! Matt has a problem with selective hearing. Lol

On the other hand, he does know that when someone give him bite info to keep it on the DL.


But matt and I share two different viewpoints, but it doesn't stop us from fishing together. Sometime I start watching a tv commericial and an image of Matt with is Rave collar comes up and i start laughing.


Although the guys make fun of me all the time, it just good times spent on the water. What i consider pure fun.


Almost 2000 views and only 46 have voted, i really wonder out of the 2000 views how many people actually are only here for bite information.

[kluts]

Just do to the fact that you keyboardaholics would respond to this stupid post in the first place,makes you look like whining babies ,shut up and quit crying bout your past

[bus kid]

Just do to the fact that you keyboardaholics would respond to this stupid post in the first place,makes you look like whining babies ,shut up and quit crying bout your past

welcome to bwe

[mtnbykr2]

welcome to bwe
yeah, no kidding...don't think that response is going to do any good here:reel:

[wiredantz]

Like we don't have anything else to do then to visit this site :rolleyes:



Ok i am addicted i visit this site at least 10x a day :biggrinjester:

[Fiskadoro]

welcome to bwe

Kind of a belated welcome considering that account was created two and a half years ago. 7 posts in several years.... Hmmmmm..... " kluts (http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/member.php?u=2585)" and "monkeyfishturds" (http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/member.php?u=2324) have a bunch in common.

In fact I must say I do find it interesting that they both signed up within a month or so of me getting and account here, and over half their collective responses are related to me. I swear I try not to be too fn paranoid but it's almost as if they followed me here... :sifone:

A few digs, a few filler posts with some general Malibu info, looks a pattern. Let me guess he's a no report guy as well... :biggrinjester:

They have their point... Anyone who posts reports, can use a keyboard, who has more then ten posts, knows how to type, or can string more then a dozen words together at a single instance should be banned. It's the little guys or that "lil" guy that never contributes that makes these sites as great as they are :cheers1:

(Sarcasm the last refuge against total lunacy)

[jorluivil]

Just do to the fact that you keyboardaholics would respond to this stupid post in the first place,makes you look like whining babies ,shut up and quit crying bout your past

And since you responded what does it make you?

[mtnbykr2]

this outta be interesting...from here on out...lol:reel:

[jorluivil]

this outta be interesting...from here on out...lol:reel:

Yup.....Fortunately, some of us can still type AND catch fish.

[StinkyMatt]

Jim, quit getting pulled into this crap. It is almost like you enjoy it. Don't ever respond or acknowledge this stuff, ever.:D:D:D

EVER!


EVER!


If you think that you can win with a person who creates an account online just to attack you, you are the crazy one.:eek:

Let it go.:D:D:D

[WahooUSMA]

Ok, my addiction continues. I am sitting here in Schaumburg, Ill., in a meeting and I am on BWE-so sad! That said, I have been a member on here for quite awhile and I have posted several time. I am also a member on a bunch of other blog/forums i.e., BD, GetBent, KFF, The Hull Truth, Fish Dope, and a few others, but I always seem to come back to BWE. One of the main reasons I love this site is the enthusiasm of the new folks and some of the older members who just plain ass have a love for fishing and the sharing of ideas, great spots, and humor – George, StinkyMatt, DSafety, Wiredantz, Jim Day, Wade, Bus kid, The Kid, Billy V and others…keep it coming, and thank you. Oh yeah, Matt aka DESTROYER, piss on those who shit on you. You have contributed more to this community then all others combined, w/out profit – Thanks for everything you’ve done.:you_rock:
What does piss the fuck out me is the arrogance of some who think ‘time on the water’, ‘we don’t want to broadcast to the world’, etc. Well guess what? Some of us drive great distances to fish LJ and we can’t fish every day! So again, thank you to those that wish to provide or help others. That said, if you wish to share then share, if you don’t then don’t ….But if you don’t wish to participate, then close your pie hole and quit putting those down who do. Don’t be a TOOL :the_finger:. It’s not that serious. Believe me, not everyone who fishes surfs BWE, and by the way, the squid bite, well it is usually all over the other sites, especially WON.

Yes I am a PB’r again, so don’t hold that against me. I am a kayaker at heart and I will have another yak soon (I need a deal, Andy). I really do miss the 0’dark 30 waves to the chest and face as I peddle to the grounds. BTW, when I am in LJ (on the boat), I will try and post to BWE the night before and you all are welcome to come aboard for beer (Coors Lite - because it’s cheap), coffee, bait (just put a Kodiak 22 gal on the deck), a place to warm up, rest, and/or a pee break, just don’t take a dump in my toilet…lol.

[William Novotny]

I don't believe in pigeonholeing myself into a category, especially when it comes to something in my life that is a recreational sport. That's exactly what I want to keep it. Get too hung up on the why's and how's of what everyone else is doing just takes away from why I do this for myself. And for extremely green newbies like myself this is one of the few and best resources to learn, meet new people and share the things that no one else in my day to day life understands. I can talk and talk about how excited I am after every trip out to my wife and my friends but they just politely nod and smile. It goes right over their heads. I posted a report and received a pm giving me some insight to what I might do to aviod possible risk of injury or worse. That's awesome. Exactly why I'm on this site and will continue to post my thoughts, reports and gratefully receive criticizim and advice.

[mtnbykr2]

well put sir....:reel:

[coxtanker421]

im a newbie and would like to know where to fish. i can respect the fact of not wanting to give up the hot bite because of spammers/ pbs / and thieves among us . given enough time and experience ill discover how to locate the feeding fish. eventually ill be # 5 like a lot of you guys.:notworthy: :the_finger:

[fishdude]

Post when you want, if you want. Not even going to go into it as Darkhorse brought up a old post from years back that reminded me of why I rarely visit the site anymore. :ciao:

Go Fish and do what you want :cheers1:

[wiredantz]

This site IS THE BOMB!!!!


I don't like your comment. :mad:

[bubblehide]

Jim...If you think that you can win with a person who creates an account online just to attack you, you are the crazy one.:eek:

Let it go.:D:D:D



Basically your damned if you do damned if you don't. I mean you just can't win...


I personally don't need the aggravation. Fighting with such retards is retarded.

:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

[ChefT]

I will try and post to BWE the night before and you all are welcome to come aboard for beer (Coors Lite - because it’s cheap), coffee, bait, a place to warm up, rest, and/or a pee break, just don’t take a dump in my toilet…lol.

Now thats the attitude...... I got the breakfast burritos....:drool5:

[ctfphoto]

I was out yesterday, and the bite is WIDE OPEN, for mackerel anyway :(

Can't tell you where it is cause I don't want to get flamed :D

[wiredantz]

I was out yesterday, and the bite is WIDE OPEN, for mackerel anyway :(

Can't tell you where it is cause I don't want to get flamed :D


That is really how La Jolla is, It could be a hot bite for 2-3 days then its gone.


That why we call it lottery bites. Sometimes you win big and sometimes you come home empty-handed. :cool:

[tagyak]

That is really how La Jolla is, It could be a hot bite for 2-3 days then its gone.


That why we call it lottery bites. Sometimes you win big and sometimes you come home empty-handed. :cool:

isn't that called FISHING????? :D

[William Novotny]

isn't that called FISHING????? :D

:iagree:if someone knows of a spot that is on 100% of the time, please pm me I can keep a secret

[dmrides]

:iagree:if someone knows of a spot that is on 100% of the time, please pm me I can keep a secret

San Diego Bay, about 40-50 feet of water, use Gulp! and it is WFO lizard fish all day long.

[Fiskadoro]

:doh::doh::doh:

In should be more careful of my words. Sometimes comparing someone to mentally handicapped is an insult to the mentally handicapped.... but yes: after five years I know it's a no win scenario. That doesn't stop me from occasionally pointing out the stupidity of the whole thing. :cheers1:

[Fiskadoro]

San Diego Bay, about 40-50 feet of water, use Gulp! and it is WFO lizard fish all day long.


Mackerel at Redondo bait barge on squid strips after dark, it's almost a sure thing.

Jim

[William Novotny]

San Diego Bay, about 40-50 feet of water, use Gulp! and it is WFO lizard fish all day long.

Thanks for the hot tip! Ok now anyone with good lizard fish recipes, feel free to speak up:puke: