MLPA Closures Will Start Jan 1

[PAL]

Bad news. The state Office of Administrative Law signed off on the revised South Coast MLPA closures. They start Jan 1.

SACRAMENTO -- The day Southern California’s saltwater anglers have long dreaded is now set. On January 1, vast swaths of local ocean will be officially off limits to fishing, closed under the auspices of the Marine Life Protection Act.

The giant rubber stamp of officialdom came down a week earlier than expected. In a decision dated December 8 and revealed late on Monday, the California Office of Administrative Law approved the long disputed regulations.

Say your farewells now. Come the new year, iconic spots such as Malibu’s Pt. Dume, south La Jolla, the majority of the Laguna shore, and many other locations will close. For a better idea of the lost areas, visit WON’s exclusive MLPA South Coast Closure Maps (http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=910&AuthorID=59046&t=MLPA-MAP-UPDATES-WONs-exclusive-maps%20). WON staff will update them to reflect any changes, which should be relatively minor.

Keep in mind that a hundred feet this direction or that could lead to legal complications once the curtain comes down. The fine print is critically important. Read carefully to check on permitted activities. Some otherwise closed areas allow fishing for fin bait or spear fishing.

If the administrative fight is over, at least for now, the Partnership for Sustainable Oceans hasn't thrown in the towel in the court battle. The coalition of angling advocacy groups continues to weigh its options following an October setback. Donate to the legal fund via the Ocean Access Protection Fund (www.oceanaccessprotectionfund.org <http://www.oceanaccessprotectionfund.org> ).

Source: http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=1555&AuthorID=59046&t=SOUTH%20COAST%20MLPA%20CLOSURES%20APPROVED%20FOR %20JAN%201%20START%20DATE

[deepdvr]

FUGGGG.......Guess it wasn't really a big surprise. Thanks to all who put in time, money, etc., to fight this B.S.

Unfortunately, it won't stop here.

So bummed about Blacks. Guess I'll have to wait for those super socked-in June Gloom days to go look for those big old pelagic fin bait that patrol those waters. ;)

[bus kid]

:iagree: bummer.

[StinkyMatt]

Serious question:


If I am kayaking in a closed to fishing area with fishing gear on my kayak but NOT actively fishing, am I OK?

If someone KNOWS the answer please help us out.

Thanks, Matt

[bellcon]

Speechless in anger










Matt
yes you can

[-scallywag-]

Thanks for everything Paul!

a sad day indeed, I'm not sure how those mass email where able to rectify all the shortcomings the OAL sited.

Wasn't one of the many issues the OAL had with the whole thing something about the commission not listening to all the public speakers? How does an email solve that?

As for enforcement I heard up north the are using DFG agents in choppers with cameras/gps and other officers stopping the boat at the launch...also using GPS histories as evidence.

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

If you have not really looked at the detailed boundaries Paul has them nicely defined in this article including pictures with landmarks. You do have to scroll down the page a bit to see it.
http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=910&AuthorID=59046&t=MLPA-MAP-UPDATES-WONs-exclusive-maps%20

I say we do an Occupy La Jolla on Jan 1.

[Holy Mackerel]

Thanks Paul, if it weren't for you and MJ, we'd all be fishing Mission Bay for spotties Jan 1st....

A lot of great reefs will be missed from souh LJ, as well as, those big northern :yt::wsb:
:(

[blitzburgh]

I say we do an Occupy La Jolla on Jan 1.

I'm with Jim! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[mtnbykr2]

Thank you for all of the effort put in by everyone, especially to Paul for keeping on it and keeping us all informed to fight these "over paid underworked pork bellies"
In a world full of legitimate issues that need to be addressed, this is a perfect example of government waste, and the corruption that oozes from
their very pores...come election time I hope that everyone joins together to vote all of these people out of their "gravy train" cushy seats, wherever they may be...how can anyone have any respect for anything that these people do, say or stand for any longer..."they pledge alliegance to the
CORRUPTION of the united states of america...sad...disappointing...discouraging,,,no more words...
I will still back the fight, I hope everyone else will too...

"it is in the handbasket"

[T Bone]

Unbelievable that Kalifornia wasted so much time and money on this when there was so many better places for them to put their resources.

Wade, do you still have your old Yak for this occaision?

[RK]

Its a shame yellowtail look so much like overgrown hybrid spanish macs

I mean.........

"coastal pelagic finbait":cool:

Thanks Paul and everyone for everything we just wanna go fishing..........

[YakMedic]

I'm so mad I could kick a baby.:mad:

Thanks Paul for all the work you put in. I need to hit BKR one last time before this BS kicks in.

[wade]

Unbelievable that Kalifornia wasted so much time and money on this when there was so many better places for them to put their resources.

Wade, do you still have your old Yak for this occaision?

YES, I do still have the Wade-Mobile!
(I am only borrowing this HOBIE, and cannot loose it in property seizure.)
I have quite a few plans all set for 2012. The bail $$ isnt set yet thou..:doh:

If any of you have watched the TV show Wild Justice, the State has all kinds of little toys to carefully watch us with...

& Thats why I will Occupy LJ 365, not just on the 1st.
Give em a run for their for $$. They will need it...
DO NOT BUY A 2012 CALIFORNIA FISHING/HUNTING LICENSE,
*Or wait was long as humanly possible, before purchasing one.
Many of you buy licenses months in advance before embarking on your adventures. Do not feed the swine.

[PAL]

There's a lot to say, but for now I'll leave it at this:

That we kept ANY part of La Jolla open was due to the unprecedented group effort by passionate kayak anglers and spear divers. If we hadn't fought that rearguard action, it would have been a clean sweep at LJ.

You can travel through MPAs with fishing gear on board but not in use.

The MPA maps in my WON story need another close look. There's a chance some of the boundaries have shifted slightly over the past two rounds of tweaks. Because you can legally fish right up to the line but not over, it's important to get it right. The DFG has used inaccurate spotting methods to enforce MPAs up north. Don't rely on my maps, it's your ass on the line.

No one outside the DFG knows with certainty how they will enforce the MPAs in the short term. They may start off with warnings. They may not. ALSO - the Jan 1 start date may not have the force of law. The state Administrative Procedures Act sets a 30-day timetable for new regulations to go into effect. That would put the date at Jan 8, not the 1st, but you better be ready to fight a citation in court. We may know more about this by the end of the week.

What happened at Dume in Malibu is a disgusting travesty. It's the same in Laguna. Those cities will never see dime one from me. I feel the same about Zev Yaroslavsky's LA County 3rd district. It's Malibu and part of the San Fernando Valley. Dead to me. Don't forget Surfrider's involvement, or Heal the Bay, San Diego Coastkeeper, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and so on.

That's enough for now.

[Regor]

My question is - How can "the man" enforce such a boundary without officially marking (as the buoys do now)?

Just by throwing out a bunch of coordinates doesn't do a thing for non-GPS boats/kayaks.

Seems that until they are marked (if marked), this will be hard to enforce in front of a judge.

Any legal precedence?

[blitzburgh]

What happened at Dume in Malibu is a disgusting travesty. It's the same in Laguna. Those cities will never see dime one from me. I feel the same about Zev Yaroslavsky's LA County 3rd district. It's Malibu and part of the San Fernando Valley. Dead to me. Don't forget Surfrider's involvement, or Heal the Bay, San Diego Coastkeeper, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and so on.
That's enough for now.

I would love to see a "Black-list" of some sort we can refer to when it comes to this. I for one cannot remember all of the names & organizations who railed us with this. Mods, anyway we can get a sticky page with this info on it?

[Rocket]

Wow unbelievable bs! So sorry my socal brothers. We have had similiar threats here in Hawaii, we need to pay attention to what has happened here and prepare to fight it also. Very scary to see it all go down now as it will most likey be an example our local government pays a lot of attention to. Keep fighting!

[mtnbykr2]

[QUOTE=blitzburgh;102558]I would love to see a "Black-list" of some sort we can refer to when it comes to this. I for one cannot remember all of the names & organizations who railed us with this. Mods, anyway we can get a sticky page with this info on it?[/QUOTE

I think a "black list" is a great idea, if we could get a list of all involved in this BS travesty so as to be able to vote them out, as well as keep an eye on their shananigans, interests and organizations, maybe we can
take care of some business that way:reel:

[Iceman]

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

[wiredantz]

:( i am bummed out

[Devildawgjj]

Enforcing this (albeit the easiest is blatant fishing in a SMR) will be difficult to do. I mean it's not like there is physical markings that show these sections; crossing into the grid line a couple hundred yards is easy to do if you don't have a GPS.

The worst thing about MLPA is that because we are citizen's, we are required to have some innate sense about these laws (insofar as this isn't common disseminated knowledge). The exuse "Your Honor, I didn't know" will not suffice! :rolleyes:

If the sign isn't posted where I launch....then I'm fishing there!!

[PAL]

I just finished combing through the OAL document. The maps at WON appeared accurate except for Laguna, where the Lat / Lons changed since the article went live. The story is once again up to date, but minus zoomed in views of the revised Laguna numbers.

For now the best I can do is the attached DFG map. If someone here can plot the these numbers on an aerial photo and zoom in to the boundaries, I'd appreciate the help.



Laguna Beach SMCA (triangle blue section in detail map): No fishing!



Boundary Description

This area is bounded by the mean high tide line and straight lines connecting the

following points in the order listed:


Revised boundaries:


33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 45.631' W. long.;
33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.;
33° 30.050' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.; and
33° 30.050' N. lat. 117 44.771' W. long.




Laguna Beach SMR (above, in red): No fishing.



Boundary Description

This area is bounded by the mean high tide line and straight lines connecting the

following points in the order listed:


Revised boundaries:


33° 33.233' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.;
33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.; and
33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 45.631' W. long.



Here's the updated WON cheat sheet:

http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=910&AuthorID=59046&t=MLPA-MAP-UPDATES-WONs-exclusive-maps%20

[The Kid]

Well, just around the corner and here we go. Remember guys that they do annual assessments to dictate whether or not the closure has a positive impact on the area. The fight never stops! Keep up the hard work, thanks Paul, and make sure that everyone passes along the information. Majority of the anglers in California still have no idea what is about to happen. Educate each other. The fact is they are going to say the closures are working even though it will have no impact at all. That how they are going to get paid! Working together to prevent another year of this hopeless endeavor should be our next priority. I am occupying the area on the 1st, let's get it together and get people to notice.

[Tman]

No one outside the DFG knows with certainty how they will enforce the MPAs in the short term. They may start off with warnings. They may not. ALSO - the Jan 1 start date may not have the force of law. The state Administrative Procedures Act sets a 30-day timetable for new regulations to go into effect. That would put the date at Jan 8, not the 1st, but you better be ready to fight a citation in court. We may know more about this by the end of the week.

What happened at Dume in Malibu is a disgusting travesty. It's the same in Laguna. Those cities will never see dime one from me. I feel the same about Zev Yaroslavsky's LA County 3rd district. It's Malibu and part of the San Fernando Valley. Dead to me. Don't forget Surfrider's involvement, or Heal the Bay, San Diego Coastkeeper, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and so on.

That's enough for now.

Thanks again Paul. All mention orgs should be boycotted completely, esp smurfrider and hell the bay. Scratch Monterey aquarium off the list of places to visit.

I for one am not going down without a fight. Will be holding off buying my license til the day before I plan to go out, hell may even buy a one dayer.

I'm definitely gonna be pushing the envelope on this one as to where I can and can't fish, and the burden of proof will be up to them in court proving when and where I caught the fish I am legally allowed to take...:the_finger:

[JoeBeck]

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

Give my fishing license money to Mexico instead. Some good fishing a jump across the border.......

This whole thing sucks!

[The Kid]

Give my fishing license money to Mexico instead. Some good fishing a jump across the border.......

This whole thing sucks!

Funny thing about that. Well now if you want to fish Mexican waters and are within 12 miles of shore including ANY islands then you've got to get a Tourist Visa at $30 per day. Sucks huh!

[PAL]

Remember guys that they do annual assessments to dictate whether or not the closure has a positive impact on the area.

Unfortunately, that's not the case. The MLPA calls for 5 year assessments, however, baseline and ongoing research is necessary to track trends. So far, it hasn't happened.

Last year, the Coastside Fishing Club asked the Fish and Game Commission to suspend Central California MLPA-created MPAs because the mandated research hadn't been conducted. Nothing happened. AND, if it did, the same Packard grant chasers that steered the current closures would be the ones to do it. We have a long way to go to impose independent scientific oversight.

[blitzburgh]

Funny thing about that. Well now if you want to fish Mexican waters and are within 12 miles of shore including ANY islands then you've got to get a Tourist Visa at $30 per day. Sucks huh!

They saw what was coming here and are going to cash in. Guess I can't blame em'!:rolleyes:

[driftwood]

Type: Government-owned
On the web: http://www.dfg.ca.gov
(http://www.dfg.ca.gov/)The California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) is dedicated to conserving the state's diverse habitat and wildlife. The agency strives to protect native ecological systems threatened by California's continued population growth and economic development. Its areas of focus include law enforcement, wildlife and water management, habitat restoration, public education, and environmental spill response. The Fish and Game Commission, consisting of five members appointed by the governor and the senate, develops policies to guide DFG. The agency receives funding from some 50 sources; its annual budget is more than $470 million.


The DFG has sold out! 50 powerful rich sources funding the DFG. as always, money always wins.

[The Kid]

Unfortunately, that's not the case. The MLPA calls for 5 year assessments, however, baseline and ongoing research is necessary to track trends. So far, it hasn't happened.

Last year, the Coastside Fishing Club asked the Fish and Game Commission to suspend Central California MLPA-created MPAs because the mandated research hadn't been conducted. Nothing happened. AND, if it did, the same Packard grant chasers that steered the current closures would be the ones to do it. We have a long way to go to impose independent scientific oversight.

Ok so they're supposed to track trends over a 5 year period. I have my language all jumbled up.

So what kind of action can be taken if no research is conducted?

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Funny thing about that. Well now if you want to fish Mexican waters and are within 12 miles of shore including ANY islands then you've got to get a Tourist Visa at $30 per day. Sucks huh!

Where is this information from? First I have heard this one

[-scallywag-]

Unfortunately, that's not the case. The MLPA calls for 5 year assessments, however, baseline and ongoing research is necessary to track trends. So far, it hasn't happened.

Last year, the Coastside Fishing Club asked the Fish and Game Commission to suspend Central California MLPA-created MPAs because the mandated research hadn't been conducted. Nothing happened. AND, if it did, the same Packard grant chasers that steered the current closures would be the ones to do it. We have a long way to go to impose independent scientific oversight.

hahahaha so they close all these areas, which according to their "science" are currently devoid of life to protect them, then in five years they go back and say "holly crap!!!! now there's huge wsb, yt and hali's around and the BSB have made an amazing recovery!! SEE, MPA's WORK!!!" :ack2:

[-scallywag-]

Where is this information from? First I have heard this one

It just posted on WON's home page.

[The Kid]

Where is this information from? First I have heard this one

It's not set in stone yet, but a couple of weeks ago the Malihini was out on a 3/4 day and they were told to turn around by the Mex Navy (whether that is directly due to the lack of passports or Visas I am not sure). So then SAC had to discuss the final decision on the new tourist with the Mexican government on the Visa requirement in Mexico. This has been going on for the last few weeks. As of 12/9/11 it was seen on some landing website that there was the imposed fee of $30 for the new Visa.

I was talking to a lot of guys down at the landings and this is pretty much a done deal according to them. I hope this is wrong and I'm just scaring all of you however I have heard from several people who have been following the new proposal closely and it doesn't look good at all.

[Aaron&Julie]

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

Great thought about the fundraising to cover those fined. One problem is those who only fish freshwater aren't likely to join the group, and get behind a boycott. Also, unfortunately they probably outnumber us saltwater fishermen.
A huge occupation of the south La Jolla closure, by kayakers and private boaters on Jan 1st, with a few news stations contacted ahead of time, might help in an another appeal process, to overturn this ridiculous closure, if that is even possible, anymore. Maybe open up the possibility of these closures being put on a general election ballot, to be overturned. I'm just speculating. If we could get a turn-out like a Moyer tournament, plus boaters, or even more than that, with news Helicopters televising a mass occupation, it could turn some heads. Or is this just wishful thinking?

[Nic D]

As of 12/9/11 it was seen on some landing website that there was the imposed fee of $30 for the new Visa.

if this is true then anyone visiting TJ will have to have a visa. Mexico, don't be this stupid. If Mexico passes this, they must not want our tourism money.

[dorado50]

I doubt Mex. will shoot themselves in the foot with these "new visas" . I have not heard of any difinitive actions on behalf of Mex. gov. at this point in time. I'm betting it will not go into effect!!

[Nic D]

I hope so Dave.

So here is the California Constitution regarding fishing. So whats going to happen the first time some one is issued a ticket for fishing in a MLPA and holds this article up in court. Will it hold up?

Im interested in seeing if how hard its patrolled? If we're out bass fishing and releasing everything we catch, will they write us a ticket? Only one way to find out.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from
the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, excepting
upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the
State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the
people the absolute right to fish thereupon; and no law shall ever be
passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public
lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water
containing fish that have been planted therein by the State;
provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season
when and the conditions under which the different species of fish
may be taken.

[ChefT]

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

CAN I GET THE FIRST KICK....

Can we start a BWE fishing license fund.... and donate it to charity like HUBS

[dorado50]

CAN I GET THE FIRST KICK....

Can we start a BWE fishing license fund.... and donate it to charity like HUBS


Yes u can! I'll donate the first dime and u be the treasurer..:)

[tasteslikechikn54]

Bad news. The state Office of Administrative Law signed off on the revised South Coast MLPA closures. They start Jan 1.



Source: http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=1555&AuthorID=59046&t=SOUTH%20COAST%20MLPA%20CLOSURES%20APPROVED%20FOR %20JAN%201%20START%20DATE

I swear these people are out of control... It's just very unamerican... The MLPA can kiss my arse!!!:the_finger:

[blitzburgh]

Great thought about the fundraising to cover those fined. One problem is those who only fish freshwater aren't likely to join the group, and get behind a boycott. Also, unfortunately they probably outnumber us saltwater fishermen.


I agree. They (Freshwater folk) are mostly in the dark but they should be VERY WORRIED. I have brought this up to FW fishermen I know and so should everyone here as well...check it out....

http://www.fishinglakes.com/savecalfishing.htm

http://www.pe.com/local-news/local-news-headlines/20110725-recreation-state-looking-at-regulating-private-fishing-ponds-lakes.ece

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=8279425

These clowns that got us have a global agenda.

[Billy V]

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

That is an accurate number.
I posted the revenue DFG has received for the past 10 years from License Sales. It was somewhere around 50 Million per year.

We can Win Decisively by Not buying a Kalifornia Fishing License

-We have this bad economy on our side and could deliver a crippling blow to DFG and the state.

It will take discipline and sacrifice, but make no mistake withholding 50 Million would cut their balls off.

[Tman]

I did not partake in this for any other reason to save fishing for my Son.

He took part in it to gain a very valuable lesson - if you don't stand up for what you believe in, you will be trampled on.

We saw that first hand when we went to many of the meetings, and even the local smurfrider meeting. Adults being disrespectful to the future of fishing, they do not care. The only children that had a voice were the cute little girls who turned in a diorama for a school assignment to protect the tropical reefs, and how the MPA's are good and help protect the tropical reefs...:confused:

To them, it is all about the 'here and now' and votes, committees, and funds they can be a part of to line their pockets. If half of these cronies were really worried about the future of the fisheries, they would have gone after the real violators, donated funds to the DFG for enforcement, donated funds for ways to create artificial reefs to promote and sustain fishery hatcheries, and they would have taken a good look at what is the real problem...

Not your local spearfisherman, not your local kayak fisherman, not your local shore angler. Unfortunately, we are the ones they decided to target.

Delay buying your license until you plan to use it...make sure you are legally safe on board, and troll an empty hook through their 'so called' reserves, after all, you are just straightening your line, all legal.

I plan to not put myself or my son in danger when fishing, and therefore, we will fish in areas that are the safest for us. We plan to abide by the rules we don't agree with, but when it becomes a question if we are putting ourselves in potential danger, we will do what is necessary to enjoy what we enjoy, and will put food on our table.

:toetap05:

[eertkao]

Alright...so there's gonna be a huge New Year's Eve party at La Jolla!!! I'll be there with my '12 fishing license?

[Aaron&Julie]

Delay buying your license until you plan to use it...make sure you are legally safe on board, and troll an empty hook through their 'so called' reserves, after all, you are just straightening your line, all legal.
:toetap05:

Tman, I'm not sure about the legality of the bare hook idea, just a torpedo sinker might be the better option. I've hooked many macks on bare hooks before, which would land you a fine if caught. Hell, I've even caught them on torpedos. But, without a hook on your line, the argument for straightening out your line and not intending to fish, flies a lot easier.
Aaron

[Aaron&Julie]

Alright...so there's gonna be a huge New Year's Eve party at La Jolla!!! I'll be there with my '12 fishing license?

Actually, New Year's Day, turn-out undetermined.
I believe the main intent is to put ourselves in the new "reserve", hold off on buying licenses as to put a financial crunch on the DFG, and make our dis-satisfaction known on a large enough level to make ignorant people take notice. If we can get the general public, non-fishermen, non-wacko-environmentalists, behind us, and become aware of the extreme nature of these statewide unnecessary closures, perhaps someday, though unlikely, we may get our fishing grounds back.
Aaron

[tasteslikechikn54]

[QUOTE=Tman;102623]I did not partake in this for any other reason to save fishing for my Son.

He took part in it to gain a very valuable lesson - if you don't stand up for what you believe in, you will be trampled on.

We saw that first hand when we went to many of the meetings, and even the local smurfrider meeting. Adults being disrespectful to the future of fishing, they do not care. The only children that had a voice were the cute little girls who turned in a diorama for a school assignment to protect the tropical reefs, and how the MPA's are good and help protect the tropical reefs...:confused:

To them, it is all about the 'here and now' and votes, committees, aind funds they can be a part of to line their pockets. If half of these cronies were really worried about the future of the fisheries, they would have gone after the real violators, donated funds to the DFG for enforcement, donated funds for ways to create artificial reefs to promote and sustain fishery hatcheries, and they would have taken a good look at what is the real problem...

Not your local spearfisherman, not your local kayak fisherman, not your local shore angler. Unfortunately, we are the ones they decided to target.

Delay buying your license until you plan to use it...make sure you are legally safe on board, and troll an empty hook through their 'so called' reserves, after all, you are just straightening your line, all legal.

I plan to not put myself or my son in danger when fishing, and therefore, we will fish in areas that are the safest for us. We plan to abide by the rules we don't agree with, but when it becomes a question if we are putting ourselves in potential danger, we will do what is necessary to enjoy what we enjoy, and will put food on our table.

:toetap05:[/Q
Tman, very well put, sir. I have 3 boys of my own and can't help but wonder if the dfg and mpas are just setting the foundation of things to come... It is very unfortunate, that the day we live in, it seems you can't even wipe your own ass without it being regulated by the state...

[robmandel]

paul, you were awesome throughout the whole fight. we owe you so much. I learned some things in all of this, mostly that the california republic is not. and worse, that doesn't even seem to bother most people anymore.

t-studios, the constitution is a piece of paper, which most people view as nothing more useful than to wipe one's ass with. folks like you and me who think it means something, we don't matter. seriously, you think that moron we've got in DC, or the moron in sacramento, even care about the constitution. the courts? hell, they serve the state.

if you are going to occupy LJ, count me in. it was a honor to stand side by side with all my LJ bothers even though it's a rare trip for me. I met many of you and I can say that I've never met a better group of people anywhere. there's nobody I'd more rather be associated with. and that's what's worst of all, is that good folks (and that includes all the good SCSF guys who are losing beaches they've fished since they were kids) are being crushed by an omnipotent state. it's called tyranny.

us malibu guys got killed. you guys got hammered pretty bad too. we're gonna have to keep fighting this. it won't be easy or painless. but I'm in.

[mtnbykr2]

paul, you were awesome throughout the whole fight. we owe you so much. I learned some things in all of this, mostly that the california republic is not. and worse, that doesn't even seem to bother most people anymore.

t-studios, the constitution is a piece of paper, which most people view as nothing more useful than to wipe one's ass with. folks like you and me who think it means something, we don't matter. seriously, you think that moron we've got in DC, or the moron in sacramento, even care about the constitution. the courts? hell, they serve the state.

if you are going to occupy LJ, count me in. it was a honor to stand side by side with all my LJ bothers even though it's a rare trip for me. I met many of you and I can say that I've never met a better group of people anywhere. there's nobody I'd more rather be associated with. and that's what's worst of all, is that good folks (and that includes all the good SCSF guys who are losing beaches they've fished since they were kids) are being crushed by an omnipotent state. it's called tyranny.

us malibu guys got killed. you guys got hammered pretty bad too. we're gonna have to keep fighting this. it won't be easy or painless. but I'm in.
well stated I guess we just keep battling knockin out the surf fishing in those areas hurt bad...you are right about the clowns in office too, they don't give a $h!t about anything but themselves and their millions, vote them out first chance you get...government, state, dfg, and all who are intertwined:puke::the_finger::icon_bs:

[dorado50]

At least 51% of this crowd voted these antiamericans into office, I doubt they will vote them out anytime soon! Jan1 is a good day to enjoy things. They shoot horses, don't they?

[walrus]

I walk thru downtown almost every day and I get approached by "Green Peace". Then at the mall it's "Earth First" or some other enviromental group. They ask for donations, but if you don't donate they still tell you about how the the earth is being destroyed by some group or activity. They getthe public to donated money which they use to buy poiticians, they have direct communications with the public to voice their side of the story.

If all the public only hears is one side to the story, who do you think they'll support or vote for at election time?

A one day protest, is one day's news that will never carry the impact of being in the public's face day after day. We as a small group (as seen by state politicians) cannot indivdually donate enough to counter the special interest groups financial influence.

I like the Jan 1, protest about the lost of freedom, it's a good start.

But, from there talk to every stranger you meet on the streets and in the malls and tell them about the lies and freedoms lost. Join in with other groups fighting against the lost freedom, so that we build our numbers to the point where politicians know they need to listen. We must display the same passion on every issue that attempts to limit our freedom, regardless if we personally participate in the targeted activity or not. We need get the mass public and large corporations who understand our side to help fianance the fight for our rights and our childrens rights.

Do I negative about this, NO.

I think we can do it, average americans have remarkable capabilities and skills. I'm not smart enough to have the answers so I ask you.....think about it, what is our next step?