The MLPA fight goes on...List yourself for showing on Jan 1, 2012

[Aaron&Julie]

Now that an appeal has been made, the Jan 1 showing in La Jolla becomes even more important. If we can get news exposure (video) of our protest, who knows how much it may help the appeal, maybe turn some heads and get the general public behind us. What the hell, taking away our fishing grounds for ourselves and our children is tantamount to taking away little league, pee-wee football, etc. I'd rather our children grow up fishing with a love for mother nature and its bounty, and learn to appreciate what the world can give you and how you should cherish it, than the sometimes over-emphasized glory of physical sports. I'm not against physical sports, I used to play them all, year-round, as a youth, but I'm a fisherman by nature.
If we can get any news TV station flying over head to televise our showing Jan 1st, I'm definitely in.
Aaron (Julie and my signature phrase applies)

Please read...

https://keepamericafishing.salsalabs.com/o/6394/images/pso_banner.JPG
Contact: Dave Elm (dave@aftco.com), United Anglers of Southern California, 949-660-8757
Battle to Prevent Unwarranted Fishing Closures in California Continues
Despite unfavorable court ruling, appeal gives California's fishing and boating community renewed hope for overturning MLPA regulations
Sacramento, CA – December 15, 2011 – Today the Partnership for Sustainable Oceans (PSO) announced that the legal challenge against the Marine Life Protection Act (MLPA) process is not yet over. Coastside Fishing Club, one of the three petitioners in litigation before the San Diego Superior Court challenging MLPA regulations adopted by the California Fish and Game Commission for the North Central Coast, filed an appeal with California's 4th District Court of Appeal. Regulations to close large areas of southern California's coastal waters to fishing will likely go into effect in January 2012, and the appeal process will likely last until late 2012.
Coastside's appeal arises from the denial by Judge Ronald Prager on October 17, 2011 of its request for a Writ of Mandate voiding MLPA regulations adopted by the commission for California's North Central Coast in 2009 based on legal defects in implementing California law. After a careful review, Coastside concluded that Judge Prager's ruling is inconsistent with the mandates of the law as established by the legislature. The outcome of the appeal of Judge Prager's ruling on the North Central Coast regulations would likely influence the resolution of a similar challenge to the validity of the South Coast regulations brought in the same lawsuit by Coastside's co-plaintiffs, United Anglers of Southern California and Robert C. Fletcher.
"It's in the best interests of all Californians that our state's laws be implemented in a fair and even-handed manner as the legislature directs," said Rick Ross, Coastside's president. "Coastside intends to pursue this legitimate goal through all available legal means. We strongly believe in the merits of our case, and the appeal process provides a fresh opportunity to have our claims considered in a different forum."
Also today, the PSO, along with the support of BD Outdoors, launched a new website, www.SaveCAFishing.org (http://keepamericafishing.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=d/E/1iYv45mAVfZXoylu8849eRtLG8Vt) to raise awareness of the legal challenge against the flawed MLPA process and to provide an opportunity for all anglers, boaters and anyone interested in a fair legal process to contribute to the effort. Under the "Donate" section of the site, individuals can contribute $5 or more a month on a recurring basis, or make a one-time donation. All proceeds will directly support legal action to keep California's healthy and abundance coastal waters open to sportfishing.
"The only true hope California's fishing and boating community has left to stop these impending marine protected areas from existing in perpetuity is to support our legal effort," said Dave Elm, chairman of United Anglers of Southern California. "The SaveCAFishing.org (http://keepamericafishing.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=Z/YWtRMm5rL/%2BOdgyMHDKM49eRtLG8Vt) website provides a simple, convenient way to support our efforts on an ongoing basis. I challenge all anglers and anyone that supports public access to public resources to donate to our effort to ensure sustainable recreational activities are allowed to continue in California's coastal waters.
"A single fishing trip may cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, but a simple $5 or more monthly contribution to the legal effort against the MLPA process may be the most important investment anglers can make to ensure the continuation of the sport for current and future generations," concluded Elm.

[mtnbykr2]

I have been and will continue to donate as much as I can to stop this corruption, MLPA and anyone involved, have no right what so ever, to take away anything or anywhere we fish.
I urge every member on this board to join United Anglers today and donate to the "good fight" and when it comes election time, refer to the "black list" and vote them all out, refer to the black list before making any purchases or using any services from anyone on the black list...do your part whenever possible, and don't forget to spread the word...
I will be getting doen off of the soapbox now...rant complete...b

[bus kid]

Well said :iagree:

[PapaDave]

Hey, I missed the post about a protest outing in LJ, I'd like to go, what time?

[Aaron&Julie]

David is it?
While I couldn't find a specific thread that is written with an MLPA boycott showing of kayakers and private/public boats, in the soon to be closed southern area of La Jolla, supposedly others have stated in recent posts, that many private boaters who post on bloodydecks.com will be there that day. Also, many kayakers here and on other websites want a good showing on Jan 1, 2012, as an expression of how wrong it is to close these areas.
Like I've said, if it looks like a good turnout, contacting a TV news-station would bode well for all of us, especially with the appeal to the MLPA being filed yesterday (Dec 15, 2011). Let this thread then become the beginning of a list of probable kayakers who will show up. Add your name. If the weather cooperates we might have a worthwhile showing. I think some big names in the sport we so much love, are planning on showing up, some who might have to make a long drive for such. See these posts:

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=12138

http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/inshore-islands-fishing-reports-southern-california/376078-occupy-our-local-mpa.html


Reading through it, guys like Andy (Iceman), Jim Sammons, etc, will try to make it, as will I. Not sure about Julie, since she may be working. But, for those who have it off without any plans, your presence would be very welcome. And if it looks like a good showing, I'll call all the local news stations myself to try and get them to televise our showing. Whoever is a good spokesman, can be our rep on the water, or at the beach, somebody who will be cool under pressure, even with all the anger and frustration we all are feeling over this. Suggestions?

[The Kid]

I will be there! Easy decision for me to make.

[T Bone]

ahh what the hell lets just start fishing just outside the surfzone...

J/K so we obviously have to go in a Red zone...

Lets do it.

[lbsurf2ca]

Wouldn't miss it.:banghead:

[Deefeesha]

Count me in!!!

[salty pirate]

I'm in

[dwntwnall4u]

I'd like to be there but will out of town then. But will donate to save CA fishing.

[sharonkayak]

hmmmm. tough decision.. count me in!

:arne1:

[fknricter]

Any set times? And specific area we plan to occupy? No 2012 licenses/ rods n reels?

[lterrero]

NO MATTER WHAT?? I WILL BE THERE!!!:mad:

[mtnbykr2]

comin from Ventura, I will try and round up the rest of the Northside Navy,
? on the equipment too...we bringing fishin stuff for shock factor? :reel:

[Jimmyz123]

Is everyone meeting at the Launch at La Jolla?

[Jimmyz123]

I've passed this on to some people I know at KUSI, and CBS, maybe we can get some assistance from them. I'll keep trying and we'll see what happens. What time are we meeting?

[ChefT]

Checkmate ....... :auto:

[mtnbykr2]

Hey,
Something that may be an issue there...parking...we may need to do a shuttle or something like that, maybe trucks that don't necessarily have to be parked near the launch, carting yaks in and out from a central post
off site...Kendall is coming so she would be able to shuttle but I only have a Nissan, 2-3 yaks stuffed would be about max...something to think about...:reel:

[sharonkayak]

parking should not be an issue. there is a big parking lot just north of the launch...
we have done it for the moyer contests. 100 plus people.

we paddle through the reserves everyday with our fishing gear. So I dont see a problem with that.

[Aaron&Julie]

I would think a good time might be 8:00-9:00AM, at the launch, plenty of time to shake the cobwebs out of the heads. Try to make large signs, easily read by helicopters, i.e. "MLPA is wrong", "Fishing is Freedom", "We pay for the right to fish", "UR penalizing those who can't fish offshore", etc. You get the idea. Then, we all gather in masses in one new restricted area, say where the south La Jolla MLPA area begins straight in front of Palomar Ave (I don't know where that is, but I'm sure someone in the crowd will) or Big Rock which is near the northern most area of the projected to be closed South La Jolla zone. You might want to bring a 20 foot section of rope, should we decide to tie up in a circle, or such. Parking shouldn't be too much of a problem, perhaps some may have to park a few short blocks away from the launch, afterall it isn't summertime. Carpooling, especially you Northern folks, would work great. Tell others, bring them on down with you, and let's get this list growing fast.
Thanks,
Aaron

[GregAndrew]

Probably gonna be working, but if not I will be there.

[ChefT]

Breakfast burritos again ..... ?
I'm game ...

[dwntwnall4u]

Maybe Turko files would do a story to help?

[lowprofile]

Any set times? And specific area we plan to occupy? No 2012 licenses/ rods n reels?

just an FYI 2012 licenses are on sale now. so you dont have to be without one weather your fishing or not. I THINK they can confiscate your gear without a license but warn you to get out of off limits spots.

[james92026]

I can probably make it, more or likely without license. My biggest concern is transporting from cartop to launch site. I do have my kayak wheel cart which will stow in the front hatch so I dont mind dragging it a few blocks if necessary. Somebody mentioned a parking lot? My lady will probably object as she does not share the same passion, but she will get over it. 'sides, gives me an opportunity to attempt my first surf launch, waders and all.

[lowprofile]

I can probably make it, more or likely without license. My biggest concern is transporting from cartop to launch site. I do have my kayak wheel cart which will stow in the front hatch so I dont mind dragging it a few blocks if necessary. Somebody mentioned a parking lot? My lady will probably object as she does not share the same passion, but she will get over it. 'sides, gives me an opportunity to attempt my first surf launch, waders and all.


you can unload at the launch then go park. if you get there the same time as everyone else you can usually ask someone next to you to keep an eye on it.

[bluesquids]

I'm in.
May I suggest someone play the National Anthem at a determined time and broadcast over channel 72 followed by a moment of silence.

[Jimmyz123]

Maybe Turko files would do a story to help?

I'll put in a call and see if someone will come down.

[MrPukaShell]

Spoke to a Fish Cop in Oxnard on Sunday. I wanted to ask him how they were going to handle the closures. He said that no day off for them on the 1st and that they would be out in force. He said that they have not received any orders on writing tickets as of yet. We were talking about the Pt Dume area. He personally said that he would give warnings "IF" you gave the impression that you were not aware. But if you have the "No MLPA" stickers all over your Kayak and you are fishing in a restricted zone than you probally should know better. He had a good attitude but we will have to wait and see when the book comes out.

[Aaron&Julie]

I sure hope this list gets longer than 20 people, that's not much of a showing :(

[Willy]

I'll sign in for 2...We might be in my PB or on a couple of 'yaks, but we will represent.

Willy

[PapaDave]

I'm in, what time? And I am bringing the fishing gear...:reel:

Aaron, yes, it is David

[Aaron&Julie]

David, per my one of my previous posts on this thread, cooridination is for 8:00-9:00AM at the launch. This will give everyone a little time to recover from New Year's Eve. See my other post, regarding protest signs, etc.
Thanks,
Aaron

[dorado50]

Has Jimmy got nbc and cbs on the horn yet?. If so,thats about the best exposure you'll get. Otherwise you will probably be noticed most by the LJ tourist.:rolleyes:

[Aaron&Julie]

I'll put in a call and see if someone will come down.

Have you tried contacting any news station yet? Any results? Thanks.

[Jimmyz123]

Have you tried contacting any news station yet? Any results? Thanks.


I've called CBS, NBC, and KUSI but haven't heard anything back yet. I'll keep trying.

[mtnbykr2]

I would have thought we would have seen more action and response to this post by now....

[T Bone]

Unfortunately that is the EXACT reason why the MLPA happened in the first place,

apathy...

[jorluivil]

If we had the same amount of interest and backing back in early 2009 we wouldn't be behind the 8-ball. I recall when we had the Bloodydecks sponsored caravan in the summer of 2009 to get the word out, it was embarrasing to see what little support we received from the local fisherman. Put the word out that there is a hot barrucuda bite at the horseshoe kelp and you have a carbon copy of what LJ looks like during a WSB bite. If we had the same amount of boats in the caravan that are out on the water during a barrucuda bite I can assure you we would have received some sort of news coverage. Regardless, I know the fight isn't over and it will go on for a long time.

What bothers me most is that we still have local fisherman out there that have no clue what the MLPA is or that closures are going into effect starting 2012. On Thursday 12/22/11 we actually talked to a local fisherman at the Cabrillo boat launch that had no clue what was going on. When we mentioned closures he said, "Yes, I know....no rockfish, no lingcod, no sheepheads....blah blah blah". We proceeded to tell him that we were not talking about seasonal closures, we were talking about permanent closures.

When he walked away I felt as if he was saying to himself that we're f-en nuts, how could a mexican, a pollock and a white guy who fish from a kayak know more about fishing then me and my two buddies who are fishing from a boat......end of rant.

[Aaron&Julie]

If we had the same amount of interest and backing back in early 2009 we wouldn't be behind the 8-ball. I recall when we had the Bloodydecks sponsored caravan in the summer of 2009 to get the word out, it was embarrasing to see what little support we received from the local fisherman. Put the word out that there is a hot barrucuda bite at the horseshoe kelp and you have a carbon copy of what LJ looks like during a WSB bite. If we had the same amount of boats in the caravan that are out on the water during a barrucuda bite I can assure you we would have received some sort of news coverage. Regardless, I know the fight isn't over and it will go on for a long time.

What bothers me most is that we still have local fisherman out there that have no clue what the MLPA is or that closures are going into effect starting 2012. On Thursday 12/22/11 we actually talked to a local fisherman at the Cabrillo boat launch that had no clue what was going on. When we mentioned closures he said, "Yes, I know....no rockfish, no lingcod, no sheepheads....blah blah blah". We proceeded to tell him that we were not talking about seasonal closures, we were talking about permanent closures.

When he walked away I felt as if he was saying to himself that we're f-en nuts, how could a mexican, a pollock and a white guy who fish from a kayak know more about fishing then me and my two buddies who are fishing from a boat......end of rant.

Some say ignorance is "bliss", in this case, I say it's moronic and pitiful.
Come on people wake up, this is your passion we're talking about.
Well, at least it is ours.
Aaron&Julie

[bellcon]

At the risk of being a "pitiful moron"
what the heck is the plan here?

Your first post says:
If we can get any news TV station flying over head to televise our showing Jan 1st, I'm definitely in.
Aaron (Julie and my signature phrase applies)

That's a big "If", Did you get the publicity you were looking for?

[Aaron&Julie]

At the risk of being a "pitiful moron"
what the heck is the plan here?

Your first post says:


That's a big "If", Did you get the publicity you were looking for?


The pitiful morons I was referring to, were the private boaters Jorluivil mentioned in his response that seemed to know nothing about the MLPA.

Jimmyz123 has mentioned, in one of his responses, that he has some connection with personnel at KUSI and CBS, and he might contact the Turko Files. I have not yet called any news stations yet, I was kind of waiting to see if there was even going to be much of a showing, and at this point, the list of kayakers is rather small (20-25). I'm not sure about the private boater's group that may show up, also. Anybody know about that?
There's still plenty of time for this list to grow. I was going to send emails and make some phone calls (if worthwhile, depending on the size of our group) around Dec 28th-30th, so it's current to what we are doing.
See my other posts in this thread, about my "suggestion" for showing up on Jan 1st, with time, location and signs. Thanks.

[tacmik]

Ok. Been thru this post several times and still cannot figure out where to sign up to let ya'll know that I plan on coming. I understand it is at 8 am on the first at La Jolla.

[Aaron&Julie]

Basically, you just did by posting. That's where I thought the response list would be generated.

[ashmoz]

I'm in with the brothers... 3 total.

[Minnow]

They are well financed and will take advantage of your weakness. They have no problem lying. They rarely lose.
Just my take, but the name "Bloody Decks" is not a good start.
If they claim the area is over fished come back with "Catch and Release" "Barbless".
Lose the "meat hunter" image fast. You are the hunted.
Pride comes before the fall.


Minnow

[blitzburgh]

They are well financed and will take advantage of your weakness. They have no problem lying. They rarely lose.
Just my take, but the name "Bloody Decks" is not a good start.
If they claim the area is over fished come back with "Catch and Release" "Barbless".
Lose the "meat hunter" image fast. You are the hunted.
Pride comes before the fall.


Minnow

Ummm, what?

[Jimmyz123]

The pitiful morons I was referring to, were the private boaters Jorluivil mentioned in his response that seemed to know nothing about the MLPA.

Jimmyz123 has mentioned, in one of his responses, that he has some connection with personnel at KUSI and CBS, and he might contact the Turko Files. I have not yet called any news stations yet, I was kind of waiting to see if there was even going to be much of a showing, and at this point, the list of kayakers is rather small (20-25). I'm not sure about the private boater's group that may show up, also. Anybody know about that?
There's still plenty of time for this list to grow. I was going to send emails and make some phone calls (if worthwhile, depending on the size of our group) around Dec 28th-30th, so it's current to what we are doing.
See my other posts in this thread, about my "suggestion" for showing up on Jan 1st, with time, location and signs. Thanks.

I have put in calls and e-mails to KUSI, KFMB, KGTV, and KNSD and have not heard anything back. Maybe if more than just me contact these media stations it will show them that we are serious. I went to BloodyDecks to see what type of support they are getting and quite honestly could not find a thread promoting anything for the first of January. Maybe I didn't look hard enough. What I'm wondering is if we should plan this for a day when it's not in direct competition with New Years Eve. I'm sure we would get more people to show up if this were not in direct competition with the New Year celebrations.

Is there anyway we can get a true count of who really will be there?

[mtnbykr2]

I have put in calls and e-mails to KUSI, KFMB, KGTV, and KNSD and have not heard anything back. Maybe if more than just me contact these media stations it will show them that we are serious. I went to BloodyDecks to see what type of support they are getting and quite honestly could not find a thread promoting anything for the first of January. Maybe I didn't look hard enough. What I'm wondering is if we should plan this for a day when it's not in direct competition with New Years Eve. I'm sure we would get more people to show up if this were not in direct competition with the New Year celebrations.

Is there anyway we can get a true count of who really will be there?
agreed with the conflict on the weekend, and would the 1st really be the best day, as United Anglers just filed suit on Dec 15th, and maybe if we have other clubs involved would be stronger showing:reel:

[Aaron&Julie]

I have put in calls and e-mails to KUSI, KFMB, KGTV, and KNSD and have not heard anything back. Maybe if more than just me contact these media stations it will show them that we are serious. I went to BloodyDecks to see what type of support they are getting and quite honestly could not find a thread promoting anything for the first of January. Maybe I didn't look hard enough. What I'm wondering is if we should plan this for a day when it's not in direct competition with New Years Eve. I'm sure we would get more people to show up if this were not in direct competition with the New Year celebrations.

Is there anyway we can get a true count of who really will be there?

I'm not sure we should start a list, now. I agree the competition for all the New Year festivities is pretty great.
I've also sent emails out to some news stations without any response, yet.
With the appeal on Dec 15th, the closure looks like it may be delayed for some months, is that correct, Paul?
Thanks to the many that have indicated they would show up on Jan 1st, but it does appear this may be bad timing with all that entails the Eve and Day celebrations. A showing of 25 kayakers, and who knows how many private boaters, isn't going to gather much attention. A showing like a Matt Moyer Tournament of a 150 or more kayakers, plus the mulititude of PBers on that summer weekend, all carrying signs against the MLPA, while fishing, with media exposure, might get noticed.
Let's postpone this to a later date. Someone indicated this appeal might delay the closure until late into 2012, which means a massive protest, i.e. signs and large group, might be a better choice.
Sorry for those that were wound up to do this thing now. Keep that mojo going, we still may need it.

[PAL]

With the appeal on Dec 15th, the closure looks like it may be delayed for some months, is that correct, Paul?


I'm sad to say that no, the recent Coastside / PSO appeal will not delay the south coast closures. Without getting too deep into the weeds, some of the south coast issues weren't "ripe" for a lawsuit because the state law hadn't gone into effect.

If the original lawsuit had been successful, a delay would have been likely. Now we have to wait for the appeals court. The PSO said they hope they'll get a favorable decision by late 2012. Any changes that follow should also apply to the south coast closures.

[Aaron&Julie]

Boo! Sorry for getting anybody's hopes high for fishing the areas that will be closed next week. I'll still root and hope that appeal can result in something positive for us, down here.

[Willy]

Soooo...
Are we going to 'occupy' the ocean or is it fizzling?
I'm a bit confused.

More than willing,
Willy

[mtnbykr2]

Soooo...
Are we going to 'occupy' the ocean or is it fizzling?
I'm a bit confused.

More than willing,
Willy

I don't think it's fizzling, I think we are/need to get all of our ducks in a row first...If this "occupy" deal is going to do any good at all we need numbers...big numbers...it will happen:reel:

[JohnnyCope]

There is going to be a Wall Street occupy force at the Rose Parade starting Jan.1 . Maybe the media would rather see Riot Police kicking in faces and not us with are Plastic Navy.

[Aaron&Julie]

Soooo...
Are we going to 'occupy' the ocean or is it fizzling?
I'm a bit confused.

More than willing,
Willy

Sad to say, fizzling. Not enough people to make a point, no response from the media, to Jimmyz123, or myself.
Show up, if you'd like, but New Year's weekend wasn't a good choice, afterall, and not enough bodies to make an impact.