You Drink Stone Brew? Shame On You

[kareem korn]

A few of us got this email back from them.........
Just sharing with all my fishing friends.




Subject: Ex Stone Beer Drinker

Well, I just found out about your endorsment of the MLPA. I used to drink only YOUR beer, bring only YOUR beer to functions/events. Go ahead and cross me off your X-mas list. I will no longer buy your product.

F-You Very Much
Your
-Ex-



Hello!
Many thanks for your note regarding the Marine Life Protection Act. Since opening in 1996, Stone Brewing Co. has been a big supporter of local, community organizations, supporting a variety of interests, activities, and deserving charities that benefit a multitude of different community and environmental causes. One such group that we have been proud to partner with since our humble beginnings is the Surfrider Foundation. We realize that their support of the MLPA legislation can be rather polarizing, however they have assured us that they are committed to working with the public and the science community in order to find a balance that protects special marine reserves, while not unnecessarily displacing those who catch fish for a living or for pleasure. They have set up a webpage to address frequently asked questions, which also contains links for submitting comments on current and future proposals, and we encourage you to voice your concerns there so that fair and agreeable solutions can be found.





Samantha Loveira

Lead Indoctrination Specialist

samantha.loveira@stonebrew.com (samantha.loveira@stonebrew.com)

Stone Brewing Co.

1999 Citracado Parkway

Escondido, CA 92029

(760) 471-4999x1621<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

[RK]

WHATS A STONE BREW :the_finger:

VIVA LA PACIFICOS:cheers1:

[blitzburgh]

What a typical, vanilla "try to please everyone" response they gave you. Sounds like something a weasel politician would say. I like Ballast Point brew better anyway! :yt:ale......:cheers1:

[JohnnyCope]

Well I'm burning my stone shirt today ! I will have to go to the market to replace my firdge now as well ! F***

[JoeBeck]

Should post this on Bloody Decks too. I was just having a discussion that Stone is overpriced anyway and does not cut the locals a break like other hometown breweries are known to do... example Sierra Nevada.

Pretty sure Ballast Point supports fishing.

Side note green flash just went to 4 packs. How lame is that! Two local brewery's just lost my business. :stupido::ciao:

[bigbarrels]

never had one, never will:the_finger:

[mtnbykr2]

Looks like a typical corporate bs response letter, too bad...
no more Stone brew here:mad:

[theluckypig]

never had one, never will:the_finger:
x2 :cheers1:

[Quilted Germ]

No more Stone for me......Just means I get to drink more Sculpin and Yellowtail(yep, still call it Yellowtail)......thanks for sharing this info...spread the word.

[Devildawgjj]

"Lead Indoctrination Specialist" :rolleyes:

[YakMedic]

F**k stone brewery, I didn't care much for their brews anyway. Alaskan brewery smoked porter is the way to go:cheers1:

[dos ballenas]

we ALL need to email them again... that is bullshit!

[GregAndrew]

And tell them that Smurfrider put its support behind the most dramatic closure option.

[Matt]

WHATS A STONE BREW :the_finger:

VIVA LA PACIFICOS:cheers1:

X2

[Croaker Dave]

I've spent a fortune on Stone brews over the years. My everyday beer is their Arrogant Bastard. And I mean every day.:cheers1: I even have an Arrogant Bastard cycling jersey.


I see on their website that they claim to be stopping 160 metric tons of CO2 from going to the atmosphere annually. Uhhm, Stone, that's not a pollutant, plants love it, we all make it, it was 5 times higher than now during the dinosaur age, and it has no correlation to global warming. Zero. Zilch.

Stone Brewery seems to have an affinity for junk science environmentalist science. That's too bad, because there are soooo many good beers to choose from. Stone, "You're Not Worthy". Time to go beer shopping...

[Holy Mackerel]

Stone Brew is over rated, and over priced. Sierra Nevada, and Ballast Point for me. Email sent to them.

[Noble]

Just sent em an email.....Stupid is as stupid does.

[PAL]

:mad: Wow, the surfrider connection... The fake middle of the road. Horrible.

Former stone drinkers, give Ballast Pt a try. They fish; they aren't poseurs.

[Siebler]

Ballast Point is the only thing you will find in the OEX keg.... Shouldnt be a hard switch for a bunch of fishermen to make.

I love Sculpin and Bigeye but there isnt a beer the brew that isnt great.

[467echo]

They just lost me as an occasional customer. I love me some Ballast Point YT, just wish it was more avaiable. If i could get some BP at the same price as a case of Stone @ Costco I'd drive to there store once a week. So whos gunna put the info on a flyer and tape it to the Costco pallet of Stone? :the_finger:Stone Brewery!!

[Billy V]

Pretty sure Ballast Point supports fishing[B].


Thats a Ballast Point {Sponsor Shirt}
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0dd29b3127ccef9c5c4172fd800000030O00AbMmzFizcN2 IPbz4M/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

[blitzburgh]

So whos gunna put the info on a flyer and tape it to the Costco pallet of Stone? :the_finger:Stone Brewery!!

That is a great idea. Maybe we could all hit our local stores and do it at the same time. Kinda like a flashmob....but with purpose!

[Deamon]

E-mail sent.

[Mr. Adventure]

Balls, I love their hoppy stuff. Need to tell my local liquor store to get more ballast.... or brew my own again

[GHOSTHUNTR]

Shocked!!! When someone orders a pale ale at the Belly-Up, I have always given them Stone because it's local. NEVER again. They'll get Sierra from now on. Stone is our best selling beer, but with the help of the other fishermen bartenders there, we'll put a stop to that.

[roadx]

thanks for posting this
i too would occasionally drink this beer. NO MORE :the_finger:

[ZUMAN]

Email sent................................:the_finger:

[Willy]

I see on their website that they claim to be stopping 160 metric tons of CO2 from going to the atmosphere annually. Uhhm, Stone, that's not a pollutant, plants love it, we all make it, it was 5 times higher than now during the dinosaur age, and it has no correlation to global warming. Zero. Zilch.

Stone Brewery seems to have an affinity for junk science environmentalist science. That's too bad, because there are soooo many good beers to choose from. Stone, "You're Not Worthy". Time to go beer shopping...

Nailed it! Well struck, sir.
I'm digging the Costco idea too. Ima doit.
Everywhere you shop. Make a simple, informative flyer, not rude or profane, explaining the facts.
From now on. NO MORE STONE. Shame too, that's good beer.

Willy

[bluesquids]

email sent. it felt good to vent.
also, cross posted to spearboard.
lite em up boys.

[Dan]

wow.

this could really hurt surfrider and stone if it gets enough momentum. they do a benefit for surfrider that raises BIG money for them.

Fishermen drink alot of beer.

The head of HR at stone is a family friend, i'll show her this thread and let her know what's up

[Dan]

if anyone see's threads on other boards regarding this, can you cross post them here? I'm going to send her this link...

[bluesquids]

if anyone see's threads on other boards regarding this, can you cross post them here? I'm going to send her this link...
http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=139638

[wade]

everyone who is FB literate, hit em up...They have a few pages i see..
Let em know Anglers dont appreciate it when you sleep with the enemy..
I am personally responsible for bringing several solid accounts to Stone Brewing in various restaurants throughout San Diego & California.
I will be contacting all my reps and doing my very best to replace all Stone taps with Ballast Point or similar, as a result of them having any affiliation with The Surfrider Phonynation.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stone-Brewery/106250996076623?ref=ts

:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1: TO BALLAST

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwegallery/data/635/F_K_STONE_BREWERY.jpg
(A fifty # Kama can only be celebrated in one fashion!:yt: )

[JD]

Stone = Gay!

[dos ballenas]

if anyone see's threads on other boards regarding this, can you cross post them here? I'm going to send her this link...

http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/marine-life-protection-act-initiative-mlpa/390391-stone-brew-response.html

This is the bloody decks link....

Stone used to be one of my favorite beers. Not anymore!

:the_finger: Stone Brewery

[JoeBeck]

This pisses me off! Just sent my letter.

Subject: Unsatisfied Customer

Sad to hear you're company put forward an endorsement of the MLPA. You guys of all people who stand for sustainability, have your own farm to grow local produce then you support closing inshore fishing to local recreation fisherman trying to catch a meal for our families and enjoy our local waters. Fisherman who have supported your company from the start and helped you grow to what you are today. You put your support to larger vessels pillaging our ocean and sending people in the masses to Costco, Kmart, Target and other grocery chains for frozen or non fresh fish. You did nothing for water quality or sustainability for our ocean. What you did do was lose me as a customer, You Are Not Worthy. Think I was just at your southpark location filling up a overpriced growler. Not no more!!


Regards,

X stone drinker AKA Joe Beck!

[StinkyMatt]

You must let the company know that you are no longer their customer.

If you do not not notify them, it is pretty meaningless.


Its like you spitting in my food, if I don't know about it, it accomplished nothing.


Anytime you stop using a service or purchasing a product you must let the business know it. :)

[JoeBeck]

I sent my letter to both email@stonebrew.com (http://us.mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=eaerehloqk0e4#) and samantha.loveira@stonebrew.com

[fishsouthcounty]

anyone know where you can pick up Ballast Point in the South Orange County area? All this talk is making me thirsty. Never tried it.

[Jimmyz123]

Ballast Point is the only thing you will find in the OEX keg.... Shouldnt be a hard switch for a bunch of fishermen to make.

I love Sculpin and Bigeye but there isnt a beer the brew that isnt great.

Ballast is the best beer out there. I have stopped buying any of the other brands. I had one Yellowtail beer and that was all I needed. A beer that is great and supports the sport I love so much, how can you go wrong with that.

[KirkG.]

E-Mail sent and friday happy hour will be moved to a new location from now on.

K.

[blitzburgh]

anyone know where you can pick up Ballast Point in the South Orange County area? All this talk is making me thirsty. Never tried it.

Total Wine in Tustin....... 2952 El Camino Real Tustin

They have litterally 1000 different beers but the the stuff I buy most is Ballast. I love everything they make but my two favorites are the Yellowtail Pale Ale & The Sculpin IPA. Just like the one that swims, you better be careful with that Sculpin!:cheers:

[herbo]

:cheers1:Valid points taken...All those brews you have mentioned are great, I'm a Becks beer man myself....H:sifone:

[T-Rex]

Email sent. I've been drinking Stone since they first opened in San Marcos. Their IPA, Arrogant Bastard and Double Bastard have been among my favorite beers. No more... :the_finger:

Stone should take their Double Bastard marketing propaganda to heart, "Why so many allow themselves to be led by the nose lacks plausible explanation. Perhaps you have been so lulled by the siren song of ignorance that you don’t even notice your white-knuckle grip on it. You feel bold and unique, but alas are nothing but sheep, willingly being herded to and fro.... Truth be told, you are being coddled by ethically challenged “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” marketers who layer imagined attributes specifically engineered to lead you by the nose. Should you decide to abdicate your ability to make decisions for yourself, then you are perhaps deserving of the pabulum they serve. ...(We demand) retribution for their outrageously conniving, intentionally misleading, blatantly masturbatory and fallacious ad campaigns. We demand the unmitigated, transparent truth. We demand forthright honesty. We want justice! Call ‘em out and line ‘em up against the wall... NOW."

Time to line Stone and the other f'n companies that supported the MLPA up against the wall and boycott all their products. Stone's not worthy of another penny from me! :the_finger:

Just tried Ballast Point Sculpin IPA for the first time today...very, very nice! :cheers1:

[Croaker Dave]

Just got back from BevMo. I told the beer guy the story about Stone and MLPA and he was really interested and wanted to hear the whole thing. He wanted to hear more about how to land a big fish on a kayak, too. He got me some Ballast Point Big Eye, Calico, and Yellowtail. I'll save the Sculpin for next visit. He handed me a few other beers, too, that he said were great. Also suggested that I have the porter with a nice steak, so I stopped at Costco on the way back for some filet mignons and appetizers. That was fun! Now I gotta get busy drinking and eating.

[bus kid]

anyone know where you can pick up Ballast Point in the South Orange County area? All this talk is making me thirsty. Never tried it.
Bevmo.

[FISHIONADO]

The Walton Family donated in support of MLPA's, hope you guys are boycotting Wal-Mart also.

[Whizz Bang]

I WAS a huge Stone fan. I have spent thousands on their product. Many hundreds at their Bistro, and hundreds more in merchandise. NO MORE.

Email sent. Now I got to find out if AleSmith is also out. Too bad.

[Corey]

Stone is over-hopped and over-hyped anyway.

Its easy to over-hop the shit out of all your beer styles and claim some sort of "You're not worthy" slogan, to cover up the fact that your beers are not that great.

I give my business to Ballast Point, Green Flash, Port Brewing (Pizza Port), and AleSmith.

[Nic D]

Ballast Point is the only thing you will find in the OEX keg.... Shouldnt be a hard switch for a bunch of fishermen to make.

I love Sculpin and Bigeye but there isnt a beer the brew that isnt great.

x2 Love their IPA's

[T Bone]

Stone has an IPA called "Self Righteous" good title.

I had sculpin the other day for the first time.It was great but for 7.99 a 220z
I will take Double Jack or Shipwrecked.

Sending them an Email right after this.

[Mr. Adventure]

The Walton Family donated in support of MLPA's, hope you guys are boycotting Wal-Mart also.

Luckily I've been on that boycott for a few years now.

[DocHaole]

Looks like I'm going to get that deposit back on my growler

[Aaron&Julie]

while not unnecessarily displacing those who catch fish for a living or for pleasure...Samantha Loveira

Are you frickn' kidding me?
BEFORE the MLPA, Julie and I would paddle 7-12 miles a day, sometimes unsuccessfully so.
Now, let's see, after paddling many miles back 'n' forth, cramped together with all the PBers, Sportboats and other kayakers, into the one little patch of a good fishing area these assholes left for us, we've got 3 choices, if fishing is dead there.
1) We can paddle another 3 miles or more to the North for the next open fishing area, going past the Glider port, leaving a short 4+ mile paddle back to the launch, when said and done.
2) We can paddle 3 miles to fish the next South open area, getting close to Crystal pier. Hmmm, that leaves a good 8 mile paddle back. Better not have the wind in your face on that one.
3) Or the choice all the MLPA supporters want, quit fishing, and paddle 2 miles back to shore.

I mean really, since they didn't do the proper research, isn't that what this is all about?

The "whacked out" extreme environmentalists, should've spent their time, money, and energy figuring out ways to stop sewage spills, storm drain runoffs and all of the other crap that really screws up the environment. Instead, they chose closures to fishermen, who do more good, than harm. We can't tell you how much garbage we've pulled out of the ocean since we've started kayak fishing, while leaving none behind.

...while not unnecessarily displacing those who catch fish for a living or for pleasure...

Yeah, right, screw you Samantha Loveira! And the company you rode in on.

[467echo]

I'm proud to say I have been Stone free since January! And now have a keg of BP Big Eye behind my computer at all times.


I received an email from their PR person regarding CEO Greg Koch's letter in regards to the overwhelming negative response to Stone's support of the MLPA. The letter is as follows:

"Statement from Stone Brewing Co. CEO and Co-Founder, Greg Koch:

I feel compelled to respond to the mistaken claims regarding Stone and our supposed involvement with the Marine Life Protection Act (MLPA). Stone Brewing Co. does not currently support or plan to support the MLPA in the future.

In April 2010 we were sent what looked like a very reasonable letter from SD Coastkeeper asking permission to have Stone Brewing Co.’s name added to a long list of companies in support of the Marine Life Protection Act. I took a look at it, decided it looked okay on the surface, and said okay.

It’s arguable that that might not have been a good call. It was, however, the one and only interaction we had with the MLPA.

Between April 2010 and January 2012, I received only one email asking me to support the MLPA, to which I never responded. Additionally, we were not contacted by any anti-MLPA groups requesting that we support their point of view during this period.

Seemingly out of nowhere, in January 2012, we began receiving angry and accusatory inquiries about our “support” of the MLPA. When the accusations were brought to my attention, nearly two years after I received the initial letter asking for support, I was not aware of the issues, pro or con, behind the subject. Some people didn’t care, and saw us as a company on which to focus their online ire, beginning a litany of hostile accusations on websites and in emails. We responded to these comments with what we believed would end any speculation of our involvement. However, our response was dismissed by a small group of people who were very familiar with the MLPA. Admittedly, the MLPA issue was not something we were involved in, and not something we knew much about as it is not within our scope of business.

Stone Brewing Co. in no way has ever supported, is currently supporting, or planned to support the MLPA in the future (other than the single misguided generic letter we responded to that I mentioned in the first paragraph). Saying we support the MLPA is like saying we’re supporting a particular political party because we once said we thought one of their policies seemed reasonable. We’ve participated in no rallies. Conducted no fundraising. There has been no activity by Stone Brewing Co. regarding the MLPA. None.

We do participate in more than 500 charitable events a year, and have donated more than $2 million to local charities and nonprofits during the past 16 years. Is it possible that we donated beer to an event that was being held in support of the MLPA? It’s possible. Our policy is that if a 501(c)3 or 501(c)6 organization approaches us with the necessary and correct California Alcoholic Beverage Control paperwork, we most often say yes to their donation requests.

Due to the unfounded accusations around this MLPA issue, we reached out to the San Diego Surfrider chapter and inquired whether any funds we ever donated had been channeled to the MLPA. In their response letter to us, they assured us they had not. To guarantee our non-involvement, we have formally asked them to only use donated funds from Stone Brewing Co. exclusively for efforts such as beach cleanup, runoff treatment, Hold On To Your Butt, and their Rise Above Plastics campaign (programs which most certainly are near and dear to our hearts). We’ve made it clear to them that we do not wish to be listed as a supporter of the MLPA, as we never should have been in the first place. We’re politically neutral, and it was an error on our part to have allowed ourselves to be listed on the initial letter.

Since this letter covers how the events unfolded, this will be the last you’ll hear from us on this subject. If, after reading my account on the way everything played out, you still feel you will not buy our beer or visit our restaurant, so be it. Thank you for taking the time to read my account and taking into consideration the facts about Stone’s non-involvement in the MLPA issue.

Greg Koch
Stone Brewing Co.
CEO and Co-Founder

July 25th, 2012"

[bus kid]

1st mistake was to "take a look at it"

"In April 2010 we were sent what looked like a very reasonable letter from SD Coastkeeper asking permission to have Stone Brewing Co.’s name added to a long list of companies in support of the Marine Life Protection Act. I took a look at it, decided it looked okay on the surface, and said okay. "

2nd mistake underestimating fisherman.

A "small group of people" I wonder if he means fisherman? who else is going to send letters / emails?
If you don't know much about something why would you agree to it? My guess is the lure of free publicity was too hard to turn down?



"However, our response was dismissed by a small group of people who were very familiar with the MLPA. Admittedly, the MLPA issue was not something we were involved in, and not something we knew much about as it is not within our scope of business. "


:the_finger: Stone Brewery.

[Cbad Mike]

Maybe Greg Koch and Stone Brewing Co would support yakfest next week and donate a keg? :the_finger:

[Mongo Johnson]

I guess not being local leaves me to just drink my San Miguel Dark. Cretins.

[bus kid]

I guess not being local leaves me to just drink my San Miguel Dark. Cretins.

I have seen BP in Paso Robles, try bevmo In the LBC

http://www.bevmo.com/Misc/StoreDetail.aspx?sid=92

[maui jim]

Island Brewery. Carpinteria, ca. Just great brews. No politics..:cool:

[roadx]

A few of us got this email back from them.........
Just sharing with all my fishing friends.




Subject: Ex Stone Beer Drinker

Well, I just found out about your endorsment of the MLPA. I used to drink only YOUR beer, bring only YOUR beer to functions/events. Go ahead and cross me off your X-mas list. I will no longer buy your product.

F-You Very Much
Your
-Ex-



Hello!
Many thanks for your note regarding the Marine Life Protection Act. Since opening in 1996, Stone Brewing Co. has been a big supporter of local, community organizations, supporting a variety of interests, activities, and deserving charities that benefit a multitude of different community and environmental causes. One such group that we have been proud to partner with since our humble beginnings is the Surfrider Foundation. We realize that their support of the MLPA legislation can be rather polarizing, however they have assured us that they are committed to working with the public and the science community in order to find a balance that protects special marine reserves, while not unnecessarily displacing those who catch fish for a living or for pleasure. They have set up a webpage to address frequently asked questions, which also contains links for submitting comments on current and future proposals, and we encourage you to voice your concerns there so that fair and agreeable solutions can be found.





Samantha Loveira

Lead Indoctrination Specialist

samantha.loveira@stonebrew.com (samantha.loveira@stonebrew.com)

Stone Brewing Co.

1999 Citracado Parkway

Escondido, CA 92029

(760) 471-4999x1621<!-- google_ad_section_end -->


i think this needs to be brought up from time to time so the new comers are aware that some products they use may affect their hobby and not to support products that do.

F**K STONE BREWERY :the_finger:

[dniss]

What the hell is a "Lead Indoctrination Specialist" anyway?

[yakman619]

Ballast Point is where its at anyway. It doesn't get much better than a Sculpin IPA after a day on the water.

[yakman619]

What the hell is a "Lead Indoctrination Specialist" anyway?

^^^ I think Hitler had one

[PAL]

I will NEVER forget or forgive Stone's lazy, "feel good" green washing. Surfrider was in the bag for maximum closures from the get-go. Stone is on my permanent ban list, along with the entire cities of Malibu and Laguna. Someone might dig up the Chit List if you want a refresher.

I don't always drink beer, but when I do, it's Ballast Point.

[Fiskadoro]

What the hell is a "Lead Indoctrination Specialist" anyway?

It's a fancy name Stone gives to their female tour guides. It started as kind of a joke and stuck.

I could give a shit about "craft" beers. Pabst, Guinness, and Rolling Rock worked thirty years ago and they still work today. :D

[jorluivil]

I only drink Colt 45 and OE

[roadx]

I only drink Colt 45 and OE

Old school
I make a lot of own beer now

[maui jim]

I only drink Colt 45 and OE

I thought more of a Micky's or Night Train....:D:D

[NEEFFF]

I only drink Colt 45 and OE


OE & 211 lol

[Cyn]

I make my own beer, but have grown to hate Stone because their bottles are acid etched and I can't remove their labels easily to use as my own bottles.

Add to that I've never encountered a Stone beer I've enjoyed...

[CorvinaLoca]

I think thread posted again yesterday to remind everyone is a bit outdated.

Check out more recent response from Stone CEO and co-founder this thread and on BD below:

http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/marine-life-protection-act-initiative-mlpa/444777-stone-brewing-reverses-support-mlpa.html

I'm all for Ballast Point - Sculpin IPA is one my favorite beers all time. But I also enjoy Stone's Smoked Porter and love the fact that I can buy a case of Stone IPA at Costco for about $30. Great beers too.

In the end it's a free country and I'm not going to bash someone for giving away free beer to nonprofits (even ones that I don't like). If you don't like his personal views, then of course don't support his company. But hey, for all you who highly principled ex-Stone drinkers, PM me and I'll come by to pick up all your beer :D.

[roadx]

:the_finger:

[steveooo]

I think thread posted again yesterday to remind everyone is a bit outdated.

Check out more recent response from Stone CEO and co-founder this thread and on BD below:

http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/marine-life-protection-act-initiative-mlpa/444777-stone-brewing-reverses-support-mlpa.html

I'm all for Ballast Point - Sculpin IPA is one my favorite beers all time. But I also enjoy Stone's Smoked Porter and love the fact that I can buy a case of Stone IPA at Costco for about $30. Great beers too.

In the end it's a free country and I'm not going to bash someone for giving away free beer to nonprofits (even ones that I don't like). If you don't like his personal views, then of course don't support his company. But hey, for all you who highly principled ex-Stone drinkers, PM me and I'll come by to pick up all your beer :D.

That link is bad, but I was ok with the response from Stone Brew regarding this.

Surfrider is still on my hitlist, but as far as I can tell, Stone simply donated beer to an event that was held by an organization. Stone seemed pretty far removed from advocating or promoting any closures. All the torches and pitchforks directed at Stone seems to be the equal of boycotting a McDonalds because the cashier had shopped at Walmart, and Walmart supports the MLPA. I'd hate to be a charitable business owner, and get tar and feathered because i donated product to an organization that someone objected to.

Unless someone can point out to me how Stone directly supported the closures, they'll be OK in my book. If not, I think there has been alot of overreacting regarding this.

With all that aside, Ballast Point Scupin IPA is possibly the best beer of all time, and is now available in cans :cheers1:







Here is the response from Stone unless you missed it

"Statement from Stone Brewing Co. CEO and Co-Founder, Greg Koch:

I feel compelled to respond to the mistaken claims regarding Stone and our supposed involvement with the Marine Life Protection Act (MLPA). Stone Brewing Co. does not currently support or plan to support the MLPA in the future.

In April 2010 we were sent what looked like a very reasonable letter from SD Coastkeeper asking permission to have Stone Brewing Co.’s name added to a long list of companies in support of the Marine Life Protection Act. I took a look at it, decided it looked okay on the surface, and said okay.

It’s arguable that that might not have been a good call. It was, however, the one and only interaction we had with the MLPA.

Between April 2010 and January 2012, I received only one email asking me to support the MLPA, to which I never responded. Additionally, we were not contacted by any anti-MLPA groups requesting that we support their point of view during this period.

Seemingly out of nowhere, in January 2012, we began receiving angry and accusatory inquiries about our “support” of the MLPA. When the accusations were brought to my attention, nearly two years after I received the initial letter asking for support, I was not aware of the issues, pro or con, behind the subject. Some people didn’t care, and saw us as a company on which to focus their online ire, beginning a litany of hostile accusations on websites and in emails. We responded to these comments with what we believed would end any speculation of our involvement. However, our response was dismissed by a small group of people who were very familiar with the MLPA. Admittedly, the MLPA issue was not something we were involved in, and not something we knew much about as it is not within our scope of business.

Stone Brewing Co. in no way has ever supported, is currently supporting, or planned to support the MLPA in the future (other than the single misguided generic letter we responded to that I mentioned in the first paragraph). Saying we support the MLPA is like saying we’re supporting a particular political party because we once said we thought one of their policies seemed reasonable. We’ve participated in no rallies. Conducted no fundraising. There has been no activity by Stone Brewing Co. regarding the MLPA. None.

We do participate in more than 500 charitable events a year, and have donated more than $2 million to local charities and nonprofits during the past 16 years. Is it possible that we donated beer to an event that was being held in support of the MLPA? It’s possible. Our policy is that if a 501(c)3 or 501(c)6 organization approaches us with the necessary and correct California Alcoholic Beverage Control paperwork, we most often say yes to their donation requests.

Due to the unfounded accusations around this MLPA issue, we reached out to the San Diego Surfrider chapter and inquired whether any funds we ever donated had been channeled to the MLPA. In their response letter to us, they assured us they had not. To guarantee our non-involvement, we have formally asked them to only use donated funds from Stone Brewing Co. exclusively for efforts such as beach cleanup, runoff treatment, Hold On To Your Butt, and their Rise Above Plastics campaign (programs which most certainly are near and dear to our hearts). We’ve made it clear to them that we do not wish to be listed as a supporter of the MLPA, as we never should have been in the first place. We’re politically neutral, and it was an error on our part to have allowed ourselves to be listed on the initial letter.

Since this letter covers how the events unfolded, this will be the last you’ll hear from us on this subject. If, after reading my account on the way everything played out, you still feel you will not buy our beer or visit our restaurant, so be it. Thank you for taking the time to read my account and taking into consideration the facts about Stone’s non-involvement in the MLPA issue.

Greg Koch
Stone Brewing Co.
CEO and Co-Founder

July 25th, 2012"

I'm going to have a beer.
Steve

[PAL]

In April 2010 we were sent what looked like a very reasonable letter from SD Coastkeeper asking permission to have Stone Brewing Co.’s name added to a long list of companies in support of the Marine Life Protection Act. I took a look at it, decided it looked okay on the surface, and said okay.


Stone's action - apparently without serious thought or consideration - is systematic of the problem "consumptive" outdoorsmen and women face. The knee jerk signing onto a feel-good message has an impact and corresponding consequences.

Stone realized a positive PR bump from MLPA proponents. Stone's name, compiled with others who jumped on board the closure train without thinking it through (save the ocean? sure), carried political weight that damaged our cause, contributing to the vast and unreasonable closures in Laguna and Malibu, and the La Jolla encirclement. Stone saying they didn't mean it is too little, too late. The damage is done.

I experienced the rigged kangaroo court (or kabuki if you like) political theater of the MLPA from way too close. I'm not ready to forgive or forget. I vote with my dollars. None of them will ever flow Stone's way.

One more note: a lot of kayak anglers and free divers gave up dozens and even hundreds of precious hours of free time to preserve coastal access. La Jolla would have been closed without the effort. WE made it politically impossible to shut down the north kelp. Every other user group that still enjoys access to LJ has our combined grassroots efforts to thank. If you weren't around for that nightmare, it may be difficult to understand the passion and anger the topic ignites.

[kareem korn]

Stone's action - apparently without serious thought or consideration - is systematic of the problem "consumptive" outdoorsmen and women face. The knee jerk signing onto a feel-good message has an impact and corresponding consequences.

Stone realized a positive PR bump from MLPA proponents. Stone's name, compiled with others who jumped on board the closure train without thinking it through (save the ocean? sure), carried political weight that damaged our cause, contributing to the vast and unreasonable closures in Laguna and Malibu, and the La Jolla encirclement. Stone saying they didn't mean it is too little, too late. The damage is done.

I experienced the rigged kangaroo court (or kabuki if you like) political theater of the MLPA from way too close. I'm not ready to forgive or forget. I vote with my dollars. None of them will ever flow Stone's way.

One more note: a lot of kayak anglers and free divers gave up dozens and even hundreds of precious hours of free time to preserve coastal access. La Jolla would have been closed without the effort. WE made it politically impossible to shut down the north kelp. Every other user group that still enjoys access to LJ has our combined grassroots efforts to thank. If you weren't around for that nightmare, it may be difficult to understand the passion and anger the topic ignites.



X2

And Surfrider can kiss my ass.

[bluesquids]

Stone's action - apparently without serious thought or consideration - is systematic of the problem "consumptive" outdoorsmen and women face. The knee jerk signing onto a feel-good message has an impact and corresponding consequences.

Stone realized a positive PR bump from MLPA proponents. Stone's name, compiled with others who jumped on board the closure train without thinking it through (save the ocean? sure), carried political weight that damaged our cause, contributing to the vast and unreasonable closures in Laguna and Malibu, and the La Jolla encirclement. Stone saying they didn't mean it is too little, too late. The damage is done.

I experienced the rigged kangaroo court (or kabuki if you like) political theater of the MLPA from way too close. I'm not ready to forgive or forget. I vote with my dollars. None of them will ever flow Stone's way.

One more note: a lot of kayak anglers and free divers gave up dozens and even hundreds of precious hours of free time to preserve coastal access. La Jolla would have been closed without the effort. WE made it politically impossible to shut down the north kelp. Every other user group that still enjoys access to LJ has our combined grassroots efforts to thank. If you weren't around for that nightmare, it may be difficult to understand the passion and anger the topic ignites.

PAL's (Paul Lebowitz's) viewpoint is the only one we should be siding with on this topic. Forget Stone's excuses.
Thank you Paul for your work on the front lines and in the trenches.

[cabojohn]

I don't always drink beer, but when I do, it's Ballast Point.

That there is signature worthy. Thanks Pal.


Steveo- see your PM's :p






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[Redeyejedi]

love stone, and balast point, venice beer and many others, and will definitely keep drinking stone, to each his own.

:cheers1:

[Lit-up1]

Going to make it hard to not go to the new Stone Point Loma location within staggering distance of my house:rolleyes:

[bus kid]

Stone's action - apparently without serious thought or consideration - is systematic of the problem "consumptive" outdoorsmen and women face. The knee jerk signing onto a feel-good message has an impact and corresponding consequences.

Stone realized a positive PR bump from MLPA proponents. Stone's name, compiled with others who jumped on board the closure train without thinking it through (save the ocean? sure), carried political weight that damaged our cause, contributing to the vast and unreasonable closures in Laguna and Malibu, and the La Jolla encirclement. Stone saying they didn't mean it is too little, too late. The damage is done.

I experienced the rigged kangaroo court (or kabuki if you like) political theater of the MLPA from way too close. I'm not ready to forgive or forget. I vote with my dollars. None of them will ever flow Stone's way.

One more note: a lot of kayak anglers and free divers gave up dozens and even hundreds of precious hours of free time to preserve coastal access. La Jolla would have been closed without the effort. WE made it politically impossible to shut down the north kelp. Every other user group that still enjoys access to LJ has our combined grassroots efforts to thank. If you weren't around for that nightmare, it may be difficult to understand the passion and anger the topic ignites.

Amen, Thank you Paul again for the Hard work.

:the_finger: stone, still

[JarrodMc]

What's really funny, my buddy works at Stone and they sponsor company fishing trips and charter some of the local sporties! Now tell me that's not hypocritical...

[FishNinjaY]

I don't know about the beer... but yesterday, Erik Landesfeind at Bloody Decks summed everything you need to know about DFW and MLPA in this nice article:

DFW + MLPA = CRAP (http://www.bdoutdoors.com/article/mlpa-dfw-crap/)

http://www.bdoutdoors.com/article/mlpa-dfw-crap/

:the_finger:

[roadx]

BUMP

Fu¢K Stone Brewery...... do not support them.

[alanw]

The ocean is huge and the MLPA's are tiny. What's all the hubbub, bub?

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/images/mpamaps/scmpas.jpg

[LPetro]

That's so unfortunate, I"m a big lover of hoppy Stone beers, and was going to make their brewery my first stop on my 21st next month. Due to a recent infraction I received, from the life guards in La Jolla for my lack of proper knowledge of the MLPA zone (drifting into the MLPA with a line out), I haven't had the best taste in my mouth for MLPA regulations. I defiantly won't be washing that taste out with a Stone now!
P.s. If anyone on this forum could give me some advice when it comes to fighting this citation I would appreciate it. I recently started ocean fishing, an I know my mistaken knowledge of the zones is no excuse but it sucks getting a ticket making bait..

[jorluivil]

That's so unfortunate, I"m a big lover of hoppy Stone beers, and was going to make their brewery my first stop on my 21st next month. Due to a recent infraction I received, from the life guards in La Jolla for my lack of proper knowledge of the MLPA zone (drifting into the MLPA with a line out), I haven't had the best taste in my mouth for MLPA regulations. I defiantly won't be washing that taste out with a Stone now!
P.s. If anyone on this forum could give me some advice when it comes to fighting this citation I would appreciate it. I recently started ocean fishing, an I know my mistaken knowledge of the zones is no excuse but it sucks getting a ticket making bait..

Only advise I can give you is to learn the MLPA zones, this phone app should help

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/m/MPA/

[dmrides]

The ocean is huge and the MLPA's are tiny. What's all the hubbub, bub?

90% of the fish are in 10% of the ocean, that's the hubbub. Be thankful a handful of devoted people fought to keep access to some of that 10%.

[roadx]

That's so unfortunate, I"m a big lover of hoppy Stone beers, and was going to make their brewery my first stop on my 21st next month. Due to a recent infraction I received, from the life guards in La Jolla for my lack of proper knowledge of the MLPA zone (drifting into the MLPA with a line out), I haven't had the best taste in my mouth for MLPA regulations. I defiantly won't be washing that taste out with a Stone now!
P.s. If anyone on this forum could give me some advice when it comes to fighting this citation I would appreciate it. I recently started ocean fishing, an I know my mistaken knowledge of the zones is no excuse but it sucks getting a ticket making bait..

if you were in the scripps SMCA, coastal pelagic's are legal to take on rod and reel

"Coastal pelagic species means any of the following: northern anchovy (Engraulis mordax), Pacific sardine (Sardinops sagax), Pacific mackerel (Scomber japonicus), jack mackerel (Trachurus symmetricus), and market squid (Loligo opalescens)"

oh....... and F stone brewery

[roadx]

BUMP..... little reminder and heads up for the new comers.

Fu¢K Stone Brewery...... you like to fish?? not support them.:the_finger:

and a HUGH thanks to all the vets out there. Thank YOU :notworthy: