Seal Repellent.

[withoutapaddle]

Long time lurker, first time poster. I really enjoy and appreciate all the info, perpectives and Fishing BS that is shared here.

First lobster hooping season for me this year. So far I've bagged bugs 7 out of 11 trips and have been having a blast doing it. Its been a fun challenge to research, devise and refine tactics and gear.

Last night my buddy and I were harassed by seals at all three locations we tried and right now I can't think of what to do differently to avoid a similar scenario the next time a seal decides he's interested in our bait.

We tried everything we knew to do (ignore them and continue, a guide suggested slapping a paddle on the water to annoy them, sometimes just hanging out near our floats worked), but we experienced the most aggressive behavior yet (surfacing inches from our legs, nudging the yaks from the bottom and nosing the hoops on the deck of my yak), and finally called it an early night after watching a seal dive for our first hoop at our third spot.

It was still an awesome night, but if anyone has any tips for dealing with the seals, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,

jp

[TJones]

My first thought was 22 cal. :biggrinjester:

[madncrzydm]

Do you have seal proof bait cages?

[bus kid]

Paint ball gun.

[ctfphoto]

Do you have seal proof bait cages?

Seals can't get food, seals leave.

What I really want to know is, will the seals take lobsters from the hoops?

[Necron 99]

I was wondering if you guys had a good night. I didn't make it out Friday morning. I heard a paintball gun might work or it might piss them off. There are a few discussions of anti seal tactics on this site.

[sasha]

Slingshoot with marbles or round rocks. Or you can get some cement and cast your own projectiles weight and size that you like. Easy to use won't get you in trouble and fun to shoot.

[Sdspeed]

NOAA says if they are endangering you or interfering with your fishing that projectiles that will not cause injury to or break the skin is okay. This was a major discussion on the Spear Fishing forums since a number of free divers were be literally attacked after a catch. Big warning they repeated over and over was be prepared because what you do may just piss off a large,fast and heavy doormat.

I've had a run in with them scuba diving down around the Coronado Islands
and their not afraid to remind you it's their neighborhood.

[T Bone]

the biggest problem for me is they scare or eat the bugs in the hoop.

[TJones]

unacceptable? :leaving:

[withoutapaddle]

Have (had, lost two Thursday to the seal(s) "secure" bait cages. Have heard pb'rs talk about paintball guns (seems impractical on the yaks). If sling shot with projectiles is legal that seems possible, but I'd hate to invite any more agressive behaviors. Was hoping to come up with something safe for all involved. Maybe ill paint the bottom of the yaks to look like a shark.

Thanks for the help!

[tptrench]

357 mag

[tacmik]

Picture of mother in law on bottom of yak. Keeps both sharks and seals away.

[Dannowar]

Just let Cbad Mike near him...

[Fiskadoro]

Seals can't get food, seals leave. What I really want to know is, will the seals take lobsters from the hoops?

Yes on both counts.

First off get or make metal bait cages that they can't get your bait out of, but your still going to have the problem of them trying to eat bugs especially the shorts you release.

If you just take shorts out of the net and toss them the seals will grab them on the way down, and keep following you for more free meals. I leave shorts in the net when seals are around then when I drop the net I let the rope slide through my hand with a little pressure on it. If I feel a thump on the way down that means the seals are directly raiding the net on the way down.

In that case I take any shorts I get, put them in a five gallon bucket (I carry one for this purpose) paddle well away from my nets, and then sit for a few minutes watching for seals. They may follow but they get bored quickly if your not pulling nets or tossing bugs in the water, and leave after a while. Dump the shorts away from the nets when the seals aren't around and they will stop following you when you're pulling your nets.

Up here we have the problem of seals that have been essentially tamed by the Marine Mammal Rescue center in San Pedro. Ones that get too friendly they dump in SMB to keep them from repeatedly coming back to the center. I've had pups climb into the boat then hang out as if they expected to be fed and petted. Seals literally so tame you could safely touch them, a screwed up, and completely unnatural situation.

When these pups come up to may yak (they are tagged), I first try smacking the water with the paddle if that doesn't work I wait to their close and smack the side of my yak hard with my fist or the paddle.

They don't like loud noises and the booming sound of smacking the yak will make them afraid of the kayak, and get them to keep their distance.

Jim

[Fiskadoro]

If sling shot with projectiles is legal that seems possible, but I'd hate to invite any more agressive behaviors. Was hoping to come up with something safe for all involved.

That's a common mistake.

This isn't pets at a dog park it's nature. A stern talking to is not going to work. The reason that seal is trying to eat your bugs is because it's a low risk scenario with a high amount of reward. A short swimming down to the bottom is defenseless, where a bug on the bottom in a net or in it's favorite crevice can defend itself with it's spines by facing the seal and scraping up it's nose.

If you want seals to leave you alone you have to convince them that it's not really a free meal, that going after those bugs is either too much trouble or not worth the risk involved. Half assed measures will not work and will actually just encourage them.

When fishing if a seal approaches me I always grab my Iron rod and cast my 6xjr right at their head as hard as I can. I never have hit one but the sound of that Iron Smaking the water next to them is enough to scare them off. Similarly the chance of actually hitting the seal especially in the dark with a slingshot is pretty minimal but the sound of the projectile hitting the water next to them will scare them just like it would scare me if I was in their position.

Some people hate seals. I'm not that guy, but I don't want them stealing fish or bugs from fisherman, so I do everything I can to deter them. That's best for me but it's also the best thing you can do for the seal.

Jim

[FlyFishinYakr]

Slingshoot with marbles or round rocks. Or you can get some cement and cast your own projectiles weight and size that you like. Easy to use won't get you in trouble and fun to shoot.

Sling shot with pepper spray or home mix of Tabasco, red pepper,& jalapeños paint balls much like DFG uses for bears. Actually their called pepper balls.(for a moment forgot what they're called).
FFY

[TJones]

i will try this if bothered the next time fishing . like you, i have nothing against them . it is their territory . i never knew that they would eat bugs , but it makes sense . lobsters are a delicacy of the ocean . i really haven't gotten into hooping yet . maybe in the future . all kidding aside , i really am not fond of the slingshot technique . a b.b. is not gonna hurt him on the hide , but if hit in the face , or in eye , or mouth could produce a different result. now you have an injured animal or mammal , who might have trouble fending for self .

[Fiskadoro]

.....all kidding aside , i really am not fond of the slingshot technique . a b.b. is not gonna hurt him on the hide , but if hit in the face , or in eye , or mouth could produce a different result. now you have an injured animal or mammal , who might have trouble fending for self .


Chances your not going to hit them anyway, we're talking about a moving target in the dark, but if your worried use rubber balls.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140915964068?www.ebay.com/itm/140915964068? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140915964068?)

It's not about hitting them it's about hitting the water near them and scaring them away.

[TJones]

what i meant is , i will try the banging on the kayak , or using the paddle on the water . knowing that the sound irritates them . or throwing the jig near their location . heck , with my luck i might snag one .:reel:

[madncrzydm]

What about m 80's or black cats they are waterproof just light one and drop it in the water the poo from the little explosion should be enough to deter any seal and safe if they get to close to em

[bus kid]

Paint ball gun and I aim for the back of the neck, one shot normally does the trick. I have never had one come back for more.
Please respect the law on this one as we as fisherman have fought for and lost a lot, the last thing we need is some enviro nazi to see some guy in a kayak throwing firecrackers at the "harmless defenseless seal"

http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Marine-Mammals/Seals-and-Sea-Lions/upload/Deter-Pinnipeds.pdf


btw this has been discussed thoroughly on this site countless times before

my perferred ppm

http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/t68-gen3-paintball-pistol

[ebrake180]

Last night went hooping with my bro in Mission Bay, I pulled up a hoop and it turned into a serious tug of war... I didn't wanna get caught in the rope and die so I threw it all back in. My bro pulled up the last hoop and the dog came up right next to him and sprayed him with water. He screamed and the dog kinda liked it... he followed my bro a good 30 min ALL the way back to the dock... nudging his yak on a few occasions turning him a bit.

Is it legal to nail them with a CO2 bbgun/airsoft? Or will that make the seal upset and give me rabies?

[bus kid]

Last night went hooping with my bro in Mission Bay, I pulled up a hoop and it turned into a serious tug of war... I didn't wanna get caught in the rope and die so I threw it all back in. My bro pulled up the last hoop and the dog came up right next to him and sprayed him with water. He screamed and the dog kinda liked it... he followed my bro a good 30 min ALL the way back to the dock... nudging his yak on a few occasions turning him a bit.

Is it legal to nail them with a CO2 bbgun/airsoft? Or will that make the seal upset and give me rabies?

See post #22 links are provided.

[ebrake180]

I think they took down the page that link was referencing.

[bus kid]

I think they took down the page that link was referencing.

So they did, damn enviro nazis,

here you go try this one.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-107hhrg75640/html/CHRG-107hhrg75640.htm (http://www.nwfsc.noaa.gov/publications/techmemos/tm28/harass.htm)

[ebrake180]

Thanks!

[finyak]

What about one of those air horns?That might help.