Moken's New Lure Kayak

[Jimmyz123]

Not sure what to think of this, I know as a Promotional Rep you are supposed to stand behind the product the company is putting out, but I don't think I can stand behind it anymore.
Here is the new LURE kayak that FeelFree is going to put out and I'm sorry but it just doesn't look right to me.
http://www.kayakfishingmagazine.net/gear-guide/90-new-fishing-kayaks/1746-sneak-peek-the-moken-lure.html

Not only that but I have found a major issue with the front hatch and how it leaks and all I'm being told is it has been corrected. I cannot stand behind a product that is not going to have the true backing of the company selling it. I can't get the team leader to back up the warranty on the boats, I can't get an answer for any of those questions. I've stepped down as a Promotional Staffer because I feel there's a lot that isn't being told to the public about the boats, and I cannot try and sell you something that I don't feel will be a good sale at this time. I like my current Kayak and can fix the leak, but for those who have purchased Mokens I hope the company will stand behind them and replace or fix the kayaks as needed.

[Dannowar]

Ill get the popcorn......

[makobob]

Jimmy, you got to be true to yourself, awesome, stand up for what you KNOW is right. Now do what you can for those who bought because of you. Well done!!

Robert

[Dannowar]

Sounds like someone demo'd a hobie

:luxhello:

[makobob]

PA possibly.

[Jimmyz123]

Sounds like someone demo'd a hobie

:luxhello:
I didn't Demo a Hobie BUT it's partially because of Hobie, Malibu, Ocean Kayak, and the other well known kayak companies that I am doing this. I know that if there is an issue with any of those other kayaks the top companies will stand behind their product, a buddy that was recently let go from the Moken Team bought a NEW boat and Moken did not offer to fix it, they terminated him from the Pro Staff team.

I like the idea of being a Promotional Rep/Sales rep for a company, but not if I'm going to be asked to push something that is a HUGE safety issue. Anyone who has paddled a Kayak knows water should not be in the hull, and when you land a kayak and there's GALLONS of water inside, that's not good. I've owned 7 total kayaks and 2 of the 7 were bone dry when I landed and those were both Prowler kayaks that did not have any hatches installed other than the factory installed bow hatch. I will be posting a Youtube video for those who have bought a Moken to check their hatch and have it fixed or fix it themselves.

[ctrujillo]

Is that your moken on craigslist:D

[Jimmyz123]

Is that your moken on craigslist:D

Yes, I was testing the waters to see if anyone is interested in it. I had not left the Moken Team until about an hour ago. Let's just say the teammate was let go last week for speaking honestly about the kayak and the leak issue. He was totally setup, and then let go the next day.

Here's the video I put up about the hatch that FF claims is the driest on the market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJW6YBABah4


When my former teammate pointed this out in a PM he was terminated for it.

We all know that SOT kayaks leak at times, but I've seen Malibu, Hobie, OK and WS step and offer to fix these issues and instead of fixing my buddies leak, they terminated him from the team for saying something about it. It wasn't like the guy put it out on a website or offered it up, he was PMed by the team captain, or someone very close to him, and asked his honest opinion. I thought Private Messages were supposed to handled that way. Oh well, I'm moving on. I just want to be sure no one gets hurt on their kayak, or screwed by the company they buy it from.

[oneyedeer]

Looks like a simple fix...gasket or goop. I cant bieve it went this far. I thought thats part of being sponsored, quality control. Oh wells just wait until they get hit with a multimillion dollar lawsuit. Just stupid

[alanw]

If Malibu can get away with leaking, why not Moken

[Jimmyz123]

If Malibu can get away with leaking, why not Moken

But I've heard and read stories on here where Malibu and others stepped up to try and correct the issue. The issue was brought to the team captain and dude got cut from the team about it. Then I bring it up and all that is said is it's been fixed. I have pulled hatches from the Malibu kayaks, and Ocean Kayaks and at least they made a real attempt and sealing the hatches. Thank goodness for Marine Goop.

It is an easy fix but when someone pays $1200 for a kayak they hope they will not have to smear Marine Goop around the hatches to seal something that should be newly sealed.

[Roundeye]

Hey man, maybe your in the wrong sport :ack2: did you
ever think about that. its just a little water, deal with
it. Im sure new pro-staff offers will come your way soon.

[bus kid]

Hey man, maybe your in the wrong sport :ack2: did you
ever think about that. its just a little water, deal with
it. Im sure new pro-staff offers will come your way soon.

wow youve been here all of what 10 mins? Jimmy is stand up guy and called like it is. the issue is not the leak, but the way it was addressed.
Hay Jimmy, sorry to see it go down like that.

[Jimmyz123]

Hey man, maybe your in the wrong sport :ack2: did you
ever think about that. its just a little water, deal with
it. Im sure new pro-staff offers will come your way soon.

Roundeye, to hide behind a screen name and take pop shots at someone is very honorable, good for you, you really hurt my feelings.

Say what you want that's your choice, but the fact is the Kayak had a leak, and yes, that can be fixed, but at no time however I did not see any information stating that the maker of the kayaks would stand behind their product and offer to repair or replace the kayak. For a company to terminate someone's Pro Staff contract, like they did to my friend, for speaking their truthful opinion about the product sounds like a wonderful pro staff to be a part of. I have a feeling that none of the other Pro Staffs are being run the way the Moken Staff is. If that means I never get to be on another Pro Staff, fine, I can handle that, but I will not but anyone's life at risk or Promote a product that could rip someone off or get them hurt.

Thank you Bus Kid.

[bus kid]

Sounds like someone demo'd a hobie

:luxhello:

Jimmy dont pedal. :D

[MrPatrick]

Sorry things went this way for you buddy.

[dorado50]

Good on JimmyZ for stepping up!. He has the foresight to know that a company that won't stand behind its product won't last long in the marketplace.


I won't now or ever tolerate even one drop of water in my kayak. If there is a drop in there after my use I will find where its coming from and eliminate. Water does not belong in the bilge of a kayak.

Btw, I think you meant "pot shots" not poop shots!

[alanw]

Water leaking in the kayak isn't always a bad thing. When I first gooped my transducer inside my yak and took it out for a test run, it was not working properly and displaying all sorts of wierdness. Then then some water leaked in through the hatch and filled up the air bubbles in the goop and fixed the signal, a perfect wet mount transducer :D

[easyday]

Almost bought one simply because of that "super dry" hatch.

[Jimmyz123]

Good on JimmyZ for stepping up!. He has the foresight to know that a company that won't stand behind its product won't last long in the marketplace.


I won't now or ever tolerate even one drop of water in my kayak. If there is a drop in there after my use I will find where its coming from and eliminate. Water does not belong in the bilge of a kayak.

Btw, I think you meant "pot shots" not poop shots!

Did I say Poop shots? OOPS.

Right is right, and the way I see Feelfree going, it's not right.

[Jimmyz123]

Almost bought one simply because of that "super dry" hatch.

The actual hatch, when sealed properly when attached to the kayak may be the driest on the market, but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of Mokens out there with Marine goop applied around the front hatch. I know of at least 3, and I know 1 guy who's trying to get his money back for a faulty Kayak, he bought his kayak about 2 months ago, and supposedly the newer boats were supposed to be corrected.

[Roundeye]

For a company to terminate someone's Pro Staff contract, like they did to my friend, .

The leak is a simple fix, sounds like somebody got a little butt hurt.

[Jimmyz123]

The leak is a simple fix, sounds like somebody got a little butt hurt.

Roundeye, you have no clue what you are saying do you? I stood up for a teammate of mine that got dealt some dirt, and in the process I discovered a cover up the company was trying to pass over on the customers. So I opted out of my contract because I don't want to work for a company that's going to do that. Assume what you want, make what ever insults you want, but I know the truth and that's all that matters.

You, have a problem, all you do is pop on to posts, insult people, and then go away. You're making a really good name for yourself. I may not be liked well by all and that's fine, but I'm still not going to push a product on anyone that may not be safe.

[papatone8]

I think it's only fair that I get an opportunity to chime in here and share the other side of the story. Jimmy, the hatch issue has been resolved in that the walls surrounding the hatches have been redone, and a new an better gasket is being used to ensure that it is indeed watertight. I'd actually posted this on the team page, but you'd booked out before reading. If ANYONE has an issue with their Moken kayak, all they have to do is call the customer service line at Feelfree Kayaks in North Carolina. All issues will be resolved or a new yak will be sent to replace the faulty one. This is a brand new line of kayaks, and Feelfree is working hard to provide the utmost in customer service to correct any issues that may arise. I think anyone would be impressed with the customer service that these guys provide. Feelfree has had a great year so far, and will continue to provide excellent customer service and strive to bring new and innovative kayaks into the kayak fishing market.

As far as the other "conspiracy theories" that have been thrown out there, they are exactly what they seem to be... hearsay, and nothing more. The other member was dismissed for a lack of professionalism and nothing more. I for one, would prefer to remain professional and adult in regarding these accusations.

[Jimmyz123]

I think it's only fair that I get an opportunity to chime in here and share the other side of the story. Jimmy, the hatch issue has been resolved in that the walls surrounding the hatches have been redone, and a new an better gasket is being used to ensure that it is indeed watertight. I'd actually posted this on the team page, but you'd booked out before reading. If ANYONE has an issue with their Moken kayak, all they have to do is call the customer service line at Feelfree Kayaks in North Carolina. All issues will be resolved or a new yak will be sent to replace the faulty one. This is a brand new line of kayaks, and Feelfree is working hard to provide the utmost in customer service to correct any issues that may arise. I think anyone would be impressed with the customer service that these guys provide. Feelfree has had a great year so far, and will continue to provide excellent customer service and strive to bring new and innovative kayaks into the kayak fishing market.

As far as the other "conspiracy theories" that have been thrown out there, they are exactly what they seem to be... hearsay, and nothing more. The other member was dismissed for a lack of professionalism and nothing more. I for one, would prefer to remain professional and adult in regarding these accusations.

Tony, I'm not going to fight with you but I have copies of the PMs and there wasn't anything unprofessional in them. He was asked honestly in a Private Message how he would compare the Moken to the Wilderness Systems kayaks and he answered honestly, nothing different from what I've see others say on the team board. I have the copies of what was said so don't B.S. the people in here. As far as I'm concerned it's over with. If Moken stands behind their warranty on the Kayak great, but treating someone like Dennis was treated was not right. I'm sure if others on the team new they would agree. He was setup and then kicked off the team, again, I have the proof of what was said.

I hope that FeelFree and Moken do well, but right now word on the street out here is not too good, I've received a lot of PMs in the last two days telling me so, and that was another reason I bailed. Too much stress on a sport that I love, and I just don't need it anymore. Have a good day sir.

[papatone8]

we're all entitled to our opinions Jimmy. Feelfree will indeed stand behind it's products and continue to do so. As I said in my e-mail to you, I wish you well in your future endeavors, but saying that it's all over, yet continuing on a bashing spree isn't truly saying it's over. As far as the other member goes, I too have all of that, and I suppose we'll continue to disagree. As far as the other team members, I don't hide anything from them. I welcome their discussions and disagreements, because that only makes us a stronger team.

Good luck to ya.

[Jimmyz123]

we're all entitled to our opinions Jimmy. Feelfree will indeed stand behind it's products and continue to do so. As I said in my e-mail to you, I wish you well in your future endeavors, but saying that it's all over, yet continuing on a bashing spree isn't truly saying it's over. As far as the other member goes, I too have all of that, and I suppose we'll continue to disagree. As far as the other team members, I don't hide anything from them. I welcome their discussions and disagreements, because that only makes us a stronger team.

Good luck to ya.


I've said my peace, my opinion, and I'm not saying anything more bad about the Kayak, FeelFree or anyone. I do hope you do well, as well as the team. If what I've done here is help you improve the product and it's safety, great. If I've made people mad at me, that's their choice as well, life's too short to spend it being angry. Lesson learned, and I'm moving on. I know I am not liked by everyone, no one is, I know who my friends are and that's what's important.

Best wishes and tight lines.

[YakMedic]

I've been out of town for the last week and I came back to this? Jimmy keep it professional, there is no cover up. The questions you raised to the FeelFree team were answered appropriately and the issue has previously been resolved. The kayaks that both of us have are older models prior to the first revision and we are aware of the changes that were made to the current model. I still 100% stand by this product and will continue to work with the manufacturer to give constructive feedback on the kayaks.

It's unfortunate that you felt this outcome was needed, but I applaud you for standing up for what you believe. Good luck to you, its kayak fishing and it's a great stress reliever. It would probably do us all some good to get on the water today. This is all I will say on the subject.

Take Care Jimmy

[Jimmyz123]

I've been out of town for the last week and I came back to this? Jimmy keep it professional, there is no cover up. The questions you raised to the FeelFree team were answered appropriately and the issue has previously been resolved. The kayaks that both of us have are older models prior to the first revision and we are aware of the changes that were made to the current model. I still 100% stand by this product and will continue to work with the manufacturer to give constructive feedback on the kayaks.

It's unfortunate that you felt this outcome was needed, but I applaud you for standing up for what you believe. Good luck to you, its kayak fishing and it's a great stress reliever. It would probably do us all some good to get on the water today. This is all I will say on the subject.

Take Care Jimmy

Matt you are correct, we all need to just get out on the water and put this behind us. I'm grateful for having the honor of being on the Pro Staffs, I guess I just wasn't fully ready for all of it.

Tony, thank you for having me.

I hope FeelFree does do well.

[Fiskadoro]

wow youve been here all of what 10 mins?


No Dude Roundeye has been around for a long while. He signed up with those other dozen Trollers right after I came here back in early 2009. The problem with multiple personalities is it's hard to tell who's who. Jimmie, Jimmy, Jim. He knows he's here to mess with someone, I just think he's just honestly confused. :D

[lowprofile]

you know, it still could be the "driest hatch out there". what front hatch out there keeps 100% of the water out? maybe Cobra with their flush hatches and 4-6 latches but any other tub and lid style hatch will leak.
hobies, malibus, ocean kayaks... they all do.

and fyi, some people ADD water to the hull.. gives a better FF reading :D

[bus kid]

you know, it still could be the "driest hatch out there". what front hatch out there keeps 100% of the water out? maybe Cobra with their flush hatches and 4-6 latches but any other tub and lid style hatch will leak.
hobies, malibus, ocean kayaks... they all do.

and fyi, some people ADD water to the hull.. gives a better FF reading :D

Stay outta this or I'm telling fishstick! :D

[lowprofile]

Stay outta this or I'm telling fishstick! :D

dang it...

i need to go dry out the PA anyways. :D

[makobob]

Honesty, Integrity, and Loyalty.
Always and FOREVER!

Who would you want on your team?