6/05 AM

[steamroll]

Launched around 4:20 to small short interval surf, took one good one to the chest :o

Bait was thick..everywhere. I picked up a mix of jumbo greenies and medium spanish along the kelp edge.

Nervous water all around. Big schools of HUGE spanish mackeral being pushed up by log cuda.

Gonna try the PM shift tonight:cool:

[Dan]

cudafest '07. Thanks for the terminal tackle Matt - didn't plan on losing 3 setups before the sun rose to those scooters.

[ratdog]

Same situation for me, no joy off the water by 8:30am.

1 Note:
I was sitting on the water, not trolling saw the Dolphin coming from the west, last year it went behind me and sawed off my trawling lines.
So since there wasn't any reason for me to get in its way I stayed put, the f king jerkoff comes right for me and misses me by 15 yards and the captain of the boat has his head out the bridge window laughing at me as he goes by. I didn't do anything to provoke him and after he passed I didn't make any obscene jestures. I was a little more than pissed off!

[dorado50]

Same senario as last nite, but Josh did catch a nice yellow.maybe its about time he gets reported to the coast guard and port authority

[madscientist]

I thought the Dolphin had stopped doing that crap but I guess not. I wrote a letter to the CG a while back after one such incident.

[aguachico]

To hell with the coast guard, let's get a group of 40 and get on the boat. We could have some serious fun!!! lol

"clean up in the galley"
"clean up in the galley"
"please refrain from puking in the galley"
"clean up in the galley"
"clean up in the galley"
"DO NOT PUKE IN THE BAIT TANK"

Just kidding :rolleyes:

[Matt]

I am always game to puke on a boat!! I even know just the place to get food poisoning!!!:eek: Dan good seeing you and happy to hand you some hooks, right after I did that I got sawed off by the cuda fest!! Got 2 baits stolen and was also buzzed by Ricardo cabeza a.k.a Jason (at least that is the name people have told me) of the dolphin, put a call into the coast guard but I doubt it will do much. Nice meeting you John!

Matt

[ratdog]

I called the lifeguard station, they said if the boat comes within 100ft I can file a citizens arrest, but I would have to ID the person driving the boat. I couldn't tell you who was actually driving. Next I called Islandia Sportfishing and they told me the owner of the boat was the captain this morning and he would never do anything like that. They told me his name was something like Tim Volklander but I could of got the name wrong. They would pass along my concern. Gee thanks!
Matt pleasure meeting you, I didn't want to drag you in, but Matt saw everything as close as I did.

[dos ballenas]

yep, nada for us... the new seaforth has been pulling that crap this year also... saw a nice little tail on the beack at 1030... I may actually be joining the plastic armada in the near future :kayak-surfer: ... time to put the tin can away and get some exercise:paddleersmilie:

[tylerdurden]

Dolphin did the same thing to me on Saturday. I was away from the pack drifting, not trolling and he headed right for me. I understand when kayakers pin them in somewhere they need to get out, but this was for no reason. I was close enough to hear the deckhands and passengers laughing as their wake hit me:the_finger:.

We also need to stay away from their chumlines. Some kayakers and pbers still fish and troll right through the sporties chumlines which doesn't make things anybetter, of course it doesn't help when they anchor up right next to you.

[tptrench]

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!!:mad::mad::mad: TP:mad::mad::mad:

[dorado50]

I like aquachico's idea, but lets just meet him on the dock upon his return, and voice our concern and see what transpires. Just me and a really strong guy should work.

[Corey]

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!!:mad::mad::mad: TP:mad::mad::mad:


That's a good tip. I'd reccommend that everyone effected by an incidedent make a seperate call to the CG and Harbor Police every time something happens with those pricks. They won't be able to ignore it then.

[Corey]

I like Art's idea too, except lets skip the puking and just throw the asshole overboard.

And Dave, I'll go with ya.:D

BTW, I'll see the pm shift out there tonight.

[Dan]

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back :p

[wavster]

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

[Matt]

Hell Dan, if I had known you need another iron to put in ol' knothead I would have gladly given you one of those too!!!:D Good luck to the pm dudes!!
Corey and Dave just let me know if you want a third guy to tag along for fun!! I like long in depth political discussions....or just kicking the F'ing crap out of jerks!!!
Matt

[ratdog]

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

What # did you call?

[wavster]

Petty Officer Daniels gave me this number if anyone needs to file an incident report:
619.278.7031.

This is not for things like "he buzzed me", but more if there is a kayak flipped because
of wake from them coming too close.

[Sherm]

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back :p

Great job:D :D That bastard is probably still digesting my YT from Saturday.

[madscientist]

They both have been leaving me alone for a while but that might be because I very conspicuously pull out my camera and grab my radio anytime I see them aimed my way. I think knowing there will be witnesses and photo documentation discourages the asshole behavior.

[dorado50]

Thanks for the tips all, I have'nt been assualted yet, only aimed at, But I will say this, all navigational laws apply to any vessel, regardless of size. A sure method to get these foul captains off our waterways is to hoist a divers flag on your boat and any encroachment within a certain amount of feet or yards is an offense of navigational law !!! My camera will be armed and ready to shoot.

[woolybugger]

the New Seaforth definetly needs to cool it they don't care in the least about the kayakers on the water

[pchen911]

That really sucks to know that they are doing this again.... (About the New Seaforth).

And to think I actually took groups of my friends out on their boat several times in the past... Including a couple of months ago. Now I wish I hadn't patronized their business.

I'll be looking for another charter boat company to use for the future.

[fishkiller89]

i went on one of the sport boats out of sea forth and there was a yaker fishing in the chum line that the deckhands had set up, so the captain started throughing irons at him!!! i was like is that necissary.

[h2ofishfo]

i have fished on the new seaforths 3/4 day boat the dude would cut peoples lobster trap bouys & wake people he doesnt care bout nuttin f him

[fishkiller89]

i agree

[Brian Sanner]

I like Wavsters idea of photo documentation,....seeing is believing, especially when brought to the C.G. and the landing. I would love to see his stupid face poking out the window as he attempts to swamp me and throw a egg right in his dumb pie hole. He did the exact same thing to me in 2005. Not sure if it was the same captain but it's like a prerequesite for any one who drives their boats I guess. They should have a banner across the window of the wheel house saying "total disregard for human life and safety training boat". Sooner than later, it's going to catch up to him in a big way.

[Kelp King]

Do you guys ever fire off a jig towards a sportie when they buzz you like that? That would be the first thing I would do. It may not be the "proper" way to handle the situation, but it would get the point across.

[fishkiller89]

the scary part about that is that they have a motor and you dont!!!

[Siebler]

Dont go screwing with the Crew. Those guys work hard for little money as it is without somebody making their life harder thinking that itll hurt the captian. Trust me IT WONT, Jason is known as Ol' Dock 'n Dash, He doesnt clean the boat, his crew does. They are a great couple of guys, why make their life harder for no reason?

And Firing a jig at the boat will get you nowhere, Except maybe in trouble. Its not going to damage the boat, its alluminum.

While there is no reason for these guys to get close, Remember guys, The speed thing is because these boats IDLE at 7knts or so and the move a lot of water, which means that even at idle speed they make substantial wake.

Tim ran the boat today not Jason so if you go reporting stuff know who was running the boat.

Jason is running the Boat tommorow and i will be fishing it in the PM, If he gets too close you can be sure ill say something.

[dgax65]

Retaliation is always going to be counterproductive. Anything you do to a sport fishing boat is going to have negligible impact to the captain or the boat. It is much more likely that you will injure or piss off a paying customer. You'll also wind up with 45 witnesses. It is better to document the incident and report it to the USCG. Do it the legal way and we will eventually get rid of the bad captains. Toss an iron at a boat full of people and all kayakers are going to come out on the losing end of the battle. It kind of sucks, not getting the immediate gratification, but retaliation on the water isn't going to help. Repeated, documented reports to the CG will eventually have an impact.

[wildcat]

I thought JIm Hughes owner the outer limits and worked for the CG??? I am pretty sure about that but not 100%...Those guys have been doing that to everybody for years...

[DBITE]

While there is no reason for these guys to get close, Remember guys, The speed thing is because these boats IDLE at 7knts or so and the move a lot of water, which means that even at idle speed they make substantial wake.

Its funny how the same style boats never seem to throw a wake when they pass me in the commercial basin of SD Bay, and they're definitely not doing 7 knots at idle. If for some reason the slowest this boat can do is 7 knots (8+ mph) then all we have to do is report him to the Coast Guard or Harbor Police every time he attempts to enter or exit the bay.

Mission Bay Vessel Speed

The speed limit on Mission Bay from sunset to sunrise is five (5) miles per hour. At other times, certain areas have a designated speed limit of five (5) miles per hour or less. These include:

Wherever buoys are posted with a five (5) mile per hour limit
Near bridges
Within 100 feet of shore
Within 100 feet of another vessel

Controlled Speed Areas
Speed limits are posted on buoys and signs.
The nighttime speed limit is 5 knots in all areas of the bay.
The speed limit is 5 mph within 100 feet of any other vessel, within 100 feet of the shoreline, within 200 feet of any dock or float, and under any bridges.
The speed limit is limited to steerage way only in all marina areas and basins.
The speed limit in Sail Bay is limited to 5 mph 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. from May 1 through Oct. 31.
Open Speed Areas Fiesta Bay, in the eastern half of Mission Bay, is the only area with no daytime speed limits, except the specific situations listed above.

[Dupree]

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.


All of those vessels have log books so there shouldn't be any problem ID'ing the Skipper in Charge on any given day. I think photos w/ dates could help build a strong case. That stuff just shouldn't be happening.

[Siebler]

Trust me the NSF idles at 7knts and the dolphin is only a few knts behind. Not all the boats idle at high speed, The other boats i work on arnt near this fast. I work right accross the dock from the dolphin, the captians are not the best guys but there is definatly over-reaction from the kayak community on occasion.

Reporting a speed violation in the harbor to USCG just wastes your and their time, They know the RJ idles at 7knts and there is an understanding there. Its just like me telling CHP your going 70 on the 8 on your way home from fishing, its a small violation and noth worth their time.

[THE DARKHORSE]

The iron is a Salas 7X and has been a favorite of mine for a season or two who ever is able to remove the lance from the rock will be rewarded by the bounty of the sea. I have a busted up hand to prove it as I was trying to keep him from spooling me with 40# Izorline and a newly broken Toriam 20 anti-reverse.:mad:

[Brad Wells]

The a-hole on the seaforth zipped right up to some of us kayakers on Sunday and drops anchor. 5 minutes later a couple pbers pull up and start fishing near him. He gets on the PA and gives them crap for following him. Maybe we should all have bullhorns and yell at him. If anyone asks, I always recommend boats out of Dana Point. I'm up for puking in his tackle box or hiding dead squid in places they won't find them, let me know. Maybe we can all book spots on weekend trips and not show up.

[esdees]

Trust me the NSF idles at 7knts and the dolphin is only a few knts behind. Not all the boats idle at high speed, The other boats i work on arnt near this fast. I work right accross the dock from the dolphin, the captians are not the best guys but there is definatly over-reaction from the kayak community on occasion.

I agree, but they're not always over reactions.

Reporting a speed violation in the harbor to USCG just wastes your and their time, They know the RJ idles at 7knts and there is an understanding there. Its just like me telling CHP your going 70 on the 8 on your way home from fishing, its a small violation and noth worth their time.

Actually, if you do the math it's more like going 104 on the freeway home from fishing. Yes, I know that's not a fair comparison, but you started it.

"the RJ" - that's funny.

Sadly, this probably won't stop until something bad happens, like they flip a yaker who drowns or they hit a diver. Take pictures when you see a boat zinging other crafts, but don't chuck iron at them... that's not the smartest tactic. They are the bigger vessel and they have the right of way, but that doesn't mean they should get their jollies by waking yakers.

PS - this is a public forum. Everyone can see what you say...

[tattuna]

Wow! I'm surprised to hear the New Seaforth is doing that. I tattoo RJ and he's said he has nothing but respect for us out there on kayaks. I wonder if he's been driving the boat? I'm gonna call him and see what the deal is.

[Guyak]

Maybe the captains are pissed that are their ex-clients decided to buy kayaks and actually catch big fish rather than the occasional calico, sandie, and baracuda :D How many 30+ lb WSB's are those guys pulling in?

On a serious note, I have not yet had the experience of getting buzzed, but I typically stay away from them when I can. They rarely stay in one place long. If they do come my way the camera will be ready. I would be hard pressed not to throw a :the_finger: their way.

I am a real mellow guy, but when it comes to the safety of myself, family, and others I have a real problem with that.

I say we just watch each others backs, get the cameras out, and continue to report these jerks. Just like they stopped the people from jumping off the cliffs at La Jolla by patrolling, it will not take long for someone with the proper authority to witness one of these events and take the appropriate action. In fact I would like to put one of the CG guys in a yak for a couple of weekends to see what happens.

Just a thought.

[shogan]

Used to defend the occasional incident given I used to fish and scrub on those boats and I know how hard it is to swing a 95 foot boat on the anchor. I always stay well out of casting range and paddle way around them even if they are setting anchor near where I am making bait or fishing.

My perspecitive changed last season when I had carefully stayed out of the way of the Dolphin, but the Dolphin clearly when out of it's way after pulling anchor to charge right up behind me before turning. It was so close it wraped my trolling lines on it's prop, spinning my yak violently. I called the landing immediately as I still know the number and told them what happened and asked them to tell the owner and the skipper what they had just done to one of their customers. Wish I had called my buddy who was a high level Coast Guard Master Cheif in San Diego at the time. The Dolphin was cool around us all on Saturday AM from what I saw. If that shyte happens again I will report it from the water and consider meeting the boat on the dock. An attempte at a citizen's arrest would make a point and be F'N cool!

[cioppino]

This is not merely a kayak only affair. The sporties have equal angst against all small craft in LJ and rightly so IMO. I have worked for Tim V. many moons ago and have seen first hand what pBers and yakkers do to the sporties while they sit on anchor chumming up seals and a few fish if they are lucky. More often than not some fukin jackass thinks its okay to come within spitting distance and fishes off the bow, down the side, and through the chum line in the stern.

It gets old real quick. While they should never charge down on someone I can understand their motovation and anger. Those of us that know better need to inform others about some basic fishing etiquette. Example--Fishing with a friend who is new to being a weekend captain. He thinks its okay to fish right on top of the sportie. I told him this is a baaad idea and that if I wanted to fish that boats chum line I would have bought a ticket. He truly thought it was okay. I had to stop fishing to get my point across. He finally moved off the sportie and we found plenty of our own fish. Point is there are tons of guys like this and the sporties get sick of it.

They are out there every single day working and dealing with moochers in their chum slicks and people fishing waaaaayy too close to their boat. It happens in LJ, Pt loma, and the islands. Novice boaters who cant find their own fish get under the skin of captains who eventually let off a little steam and mess with a small craft or yakker. Its unfortunate and its one of those two wrongs dont make a right kinda situation.

What can be done about it? Reporting it is great. If it turns out to be a few asshole captains then the problem will be temporarily solved. Another approach would be to pass along some basic rules of the sea to our fellow kayakers and small craft weekend captains. If we respect the sport boats fishing space as well as other private boaters and yakkers fishing space things like this would not happen and fishing out there would be more enjoyable.

Find your own fish and fish with respect for others space.


....and those boats dont idle at 7knts. They cruise at 7 to 10knts and can easily idle slower and produce little to no wake. How fast are they going when making a chum circle and how much wake is there? Trying to say the the boat idles at seven kts is a weak agrument to the large wake that swamps kayakers they get way tooo close to. They can slow down and should when approaching small craft at sea. From their vantage point they can see everything clearly and should navagate with caution and respect for others.

the end

[wavster]

i went on one of the sport boats out of sea forth and there was a yaker fishing in the chum line that the deckhands had set up, so the captain started throughing irons at him!!! ...

This morning I was making bait west of the point in a break in the kelp.
The New Seaforth was parked North of me. No sooner did I drop my sabiki in
the water when irons started landing right next to me. The Captain of that boat
is irresponsible and a menace. Though I was not in his chum line and not interferring with his
business, he has no right to harass others (or encourage crew or patrons to).

I am taking pictures and will report all inappropriate activity.

[TomTurtle]

Find your own fish and fish with respect for others space.



Thats great but the Seaforth definately pulled up and dropped anchor within 30 yards of my friend and I on the 26th of May. And you know what? The bite shut down. Maybe they need to adopt this policy as well. Most of us have been out there for two hours our more before the cruiseliners show up.

The only appropriate answer is what Madscientist said. If you see them headed your way, grab a camera and a radio. Don't do anything more to provoke them. Put in a call to the authorities if necessary.

It would also be interseting to have someone from the CG on a yak one Saturday morning. Might give them some real perspective on how dangerous some of these actions are.

Shoots.

[tylerdurden]

Grab the camera and radio if they come at you. If they anchor up next to you, leave, even if you were there first. You likely aren't going to catch anything, and those sporties are seal magnets.


This morning I was making bait west of the point in a break in the kelp.
The New Seaforth was parked North of me. No sooner did I drop my sabiki in
the water when irons started landing right next to me.

If they can land an iron next to you, you are way too close. Move.


It's been a while since one of these threads has come up. Seems to happen once a year.

[madscientist]

For what it's worth, it was very crowded this weekend and the sporties have to fish somewhere. I was actually glad they fished where they did because they were not on the generally "hot" wsb spots and did a great job drawing the pesky furbags. I have also on occasion forgot how much further one can throw an iron from the deck of a boat and consciously try to expand my buffer zone around them, particularly off their stern.

It's the deliberate turns to run AT a yak that are really unforgivable. I suspect that after a day of doing poorly, the capt and a mate are up there going "hey, lets go buzz a yak for fun".

On a side note, I almost got run over by what I think was Vessel Assist the other night. Idiot was doing 20 in the dark through the kelp. Clearly did not see my little light and I had to paddle like mad to get out of his way. Yelled at them on 16 and 18 and they slowed down and turn out to sea after that.:eek:

[Jimm H]

Okay...

1) this has been going on since I started kayak fishing in June of 2001. (I started because I was standing on the deck of the New Seaforth, watching kayakers go by with big fish while we fished for bass and bonita So, GUYAK, you are correct, sir!)

BTW- Brad would say to me that the only thing that's changed is that I'm sitting on a kayak now, watching kayakers go by with big fish... LOL

2) In all that time, no one has been swamped or run over by a sportie

3) That said, what they do is plain wrong. They are trying to intimidate, or at best, harrass us for their amusement.

4) Ciopino- what is the "legal distance" of a chum line? Since chum drifts and spreads, where is the line drawn? (from a practical standpoint, it is just outside iron tossing range.) It is their strategy and free choice to dump bait into the water as chum. It is not their right to declare a no fishing zone. Common courtesy dictates I give them some working room, but not the whole ocean behind their boat. (I've had them yell at me when I was a good 150 feet off their stern, passing thru)

5) It is stupid to work too close to ANY boat, especially a cattle boat. If you are fishing for bait or fish close enough to be "ironed", you are too close (*see (5) above)

6) Best way to get back at them is to show them your large, freshly caught pelagic species as they pass by. More of their customers will join our plastic fleet, and soon, we can all walk out to the kelp from the shores by stepping on all the kayaks.

6) If you whoop real loud when you catch a fish or broadcast on the radio that "I'm hooked up over here!" you will draw in kayakers, pber's and sporties alike to sit on top of you and share in your "happiness," or at least in your fishing spot. And, guess what? Code words don't work. They figure out the code words.

7) bassboyc-- Sport Boats do NOT idle at 7 knots... that would make for a really spectacular docking every time. Having both been on the boat and seen them slip slowly up to the bait barge on other occasions, I know that one is bull. (sorry) If not, they are very poorly designed.

8) Whoever it was that was "spun around" by one of the sporties tangling up your trolling line- was your trolling bait in gear when the prop of the cattle boat caused you to spin around? I wouyld think it would have spooled you, instead. What did it feel like to hook something that large? How would you have landed it if your line hadn't given way? More importantly, how much line did you have out? Two weeks ago I lost a fish (yes, Brad, another lost fish) when a kayaker tangles my line as he trolled his lure a good 150 feet behand him thru all the kayaks and boats. Not saying you were that far back, but.... how far back were you?

There. Enough trouble caused. I'm done...

[wavster]

5) It is stupid to work too close to ANY boat, especially a cattle boat. If you are fishing for bait or fish close enough to be "ironed", you are too close (*see (5) above)...

Just to set the record straight, I was not actually within distance of being "ironed". The closest iron
was 50 ft away.

I was making bait south of the anchor line at the edge of the kelp. I just happen to run over
a bait ball and dropped the sabiki for a moment. I wasn't in the chum line and
under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to start tossing irons at another angler. Period!

Everyone has the right to drop a line where the want. Common courtesy is important (especially on
crowded days). What I did wasn't stupid and I wasn't encroaching. No one was fishing that
side of the boat. It was a deliberate attempt to intimidate me.

[Jimm H]

Sorry, i was responding to your comment of ..."No sooner did I drop my sabiki in the water when irons started landing right next to me."

I guess the "right next to me..." part threw me off. I thought you meant , you know, right next to you.

My fault.

I've seen Dolphin crew actually do that, and customers , too. Sounds like you were actually in the "legal to fish the chum line" zone outside of their iron range.

[cioppino]

4) Ciopino- what is the "legal distance" of a chum line? Since chum drifts and spreads, where is the line drawn? (from a practical standpoint, it is just outside iron tossing range.) It is their strategy and free choice to dump bait into the water as chum. It is not their right to declare a no fishing zone. Common courtesy dictates I give them some working room, but not the whole ocean behind their boat. (I've had them yell at me when I was a good 150 feet off their stern, passing thru)



Iron tossing distance is not going to cut it when it comes to someones chum slick.

You cant cast an iron as far as you can soak a bait. Look at the way the boat is sitting, try and see where the current is taking their lines, and assume there are a few guys on the boat who actually know how to fish. Those few will have a bait up to a hundred yards out, maybe more.

An easy way to figure it out is if you are fishing and soaking a bait how close do you want someone fishing off your stern catching what could be your fish?

Have fun and be safe out there.

[madscientist]

An easy way to figure it out is if you are fishing and soaking a bait how close do you want someone fishing off your stern catching what could be your fish?

Have fun and be safe out there.

If I went by that rule I'd be pissed at half the yakkers in LJ :D (instead of the quarter currently on my shit list :p).

As much as we need to give the sporties their space, they also have to recognize that if they drop anchor at 80-90ft off the hotel and slide back on the anchor, they are going to have a pretty steady stream of yaks passing their stern on their way out. It's one thing to respects a half mile of chum slick of someone sharking offshore, it's another next to the kelp.

[Siebler]

"7) bassboyc-- Sport Boats do NOT idle at 7 knots... that would make for a really spectacular docking every time. Having both been on the boat and seen them slip slowly up to the bait barge on other occasions, I know that one is bull. (sorry) If not, they are very poorly designed."

Not all the sportboats idle at these speeds, The NSF Does. When your at the dock EVERY day watching them dock youll see. The reason that they Slide up to the receiver so nice is because they take the boat out of gear, Just as if you stoped paddling.

[Siebler]

And Who called our landing today to report Deckhands hrowing trash at them in their kayak? I was on the boat today and no such thing happened. Making up stories is BS, Make your legit claims against Jason but why make up lies?

[Brad Wells]

F the sporties, they try to demand respect from pbers after dissing kayakers, I'm telling everyone with a boat the biggest fish caught are in the sporties chum line.

[wavster]

And Who called our landing today to report Deckhands hrowing trash at them in their kayak? I was on the boat today and no such thing happened. Making up stories is BS, Make your legit claims against Jason but why make up lies?

I wasn't on the water today, so I can't say anything about that, but
if you're on the boat, you may do well to tell the captain that we are documenting
any inappropriate actions. If he's doing nothing wrong, he's got nothing to worry about.

If he tries to intimidate me (or any other yakkers) again or tries to swamp one, I will
call the CG from the water and they will meet him at the docks. I will have pictures and video,
as well.

[jackpotjoe]

I fished on his boat years ago, if one thing went wrong he would have a tantrum and cry like a baby at the crew and guest. If he comes at me I'll heave my bigest iron at him. Then hang on for a wild ride.:luxhello: Joe

[Siebler]

I see Jason daily and will let him know. The guy is truly a dick however i definatly see some over reaction and some BS coming from the kayak community. stuff that will only give us a bad name.

Trust me, ive had my Run Ins with Jason in my 5+ years of kayak fishing, I dont like him but his crew is great and i see a lot of people trying to harm them, Not cool in my book.