Tax man in Manhattan beach

[cell128]

Swimmer attacked today at Manhattan beach by a great white. Fisherman had the shark hooked. He probably didn't know he had hooked the taxman http://abcnews.go.com/US/swimmer-bitten-great-white-shark-off-california-coast/story?id=24438491

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[jorluivil]

Glad I decided to stay away from that area this weekend

[walrus]

B.S. no way anything that walks on two legs can know what if any feelings a shark may experience or if it just has a biological response to something swimming.

"A group of long-distance swimmers coming by -- the shark just got agitated and bit one of the swimmers,"

[wiredantz]

Scary

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Crazy!!

[FISH11]

I guess the leason is to never go swiming near a pier were some dumb ass is fishing for sharks. I feel a lot safer on top of my kayak.

[Dail14]

You should never swim or surf near a public fishing pier. Im surprised accidents like this are not more common since so many people insist on being in the water close to piers. Im also surprised that someone fishing from a pier was able to work a large great white back to the pier before it broke the line.

[Silbaugh4liberty]

I'm glad you guys said it first. I started typing that swimming and surf near a pier is stupid, and changed it to just "crazy". I would always get pissed when fishing the pier and some morons would swim right by everyone's lines. That was my motivation to get my kayak, and get away from the idiots.

[AirborneYak]

Here is the video of attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzXLQhMMlo

[YakDout]

The people fishing on the pier should all be arrested. I cannot believe someone is so stupid to leave a great white hanging while there are what looked like dozens of swimmers in that close of proximity.

As punishment, they should be thrown in a tank of GWs to have the same feeling and fear they instilled upon those swimmers.

WOW

[cell128]

After watching that video im spechless. Not only do they laugh about it but record it and somehow land it on YouTube? They probably sold it. This could ruin pier fishing for everyone if the right people see it. What a bunch of dickheads

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[Zed]

Wait, there's white sharks around here?
I'm selling my shit!

[DanaPT]

The people fishing on the pier should all be arrested. I cannot believe someone is so stupid to leave a great white hanging while there are what looked like dozens of swimmers in that close of proximity.

As punishment, they should be thrown in a tank of GWs to have the same feeling and fear they instilled upon those swimmers.

WOW

After watching that video im spechless. Not only do they laugh about it but record it and somehow land it on YouTube? They probably sold it. This could ruin pier fishing for everyone if the right people see it. What a bunch of dickheads

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Tough break. But you blame the anglers?

You all know that when you enter the water you take risks. Want to eliminate the risk of shark attacks ...swim in pool.

No way to know what type of anything you are going to catch when fishing. Sure using big baits, big hooks to target sharks is questionable on a pier (not convinced they were fishing for a shark based on that video)... but figure the odds of catching Threshers, Makos or GW's from a pier? Odds seem low (I know there have been reports of these fish caught before on a pier... but consider the # of people fishing on piers everyday).

That juvi shark probably had no idea it was hooked and was looking for an easy meal. Wrong place wrong time. That simple.

[YakDout]

So you're saying after they figured out they were putting lives in danger, they should definitely not have cut the shark off?


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[tamddo714]

The swimmers should be aware they are putting their lives endangered getting into that big blue ocean. Who is to say if he cut the line it still wouldn't have happened? Stuff happens.


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[Fiskadoro]

That juvi shark probably had no idea it was hooked and was looking for an easy meal. Wrong place wrong time. That simple.


The shark was reacting to being hooked. The video and comments make fisherman look bad, but it's obvious from their gear and what they say that they were not fishing sharks, just stupid kids that had no clue what to do once they hooked the shark.

There was no way that shark was trying to feed on that swimmer and it obviously knew it was hooked. Cutting the line at the reel would of been stupid. The shark would of ended up towing the excess line, and could of eventually died. If you look carefully you can see that before the shark attacked it was on the surface obviously fighting the line moving right to left. It just happened to run into the crowd of swimmers as they crossed paths. If the fisherman had broken it off, or thrown the reel in freespool it would of probably dove or taken off and missed them completely. He was also using spectra. All he had to do to release it was lock up the reel and break it off. Once free it would of left the area.

I've never hooked a white but I have hooked many makos (a whites closest relative) and they will attack boats motors and sometimes even other sharks, especially blue sharks, when hooked. They attack other sharks because they feel threatened, injure them, then leave them bleeding as bait. It's the marine equivalent of being left for the wolves

[alanw]

I don't think the shark was trying to attack him, just a wrong place/wrong time accident with an aggravated shark. About 1:00 in the video a witness says the swimmer caught the line with his hand during a swim stroke which brought the shark right up close to him.

[johnnyblaze2009]

In my opinion I think if I was pier fishing and knew I hooked a great white I think I would cut the line anyways knowing that you can't take that species of shark anyways. I think if I still brought him in and it died I would be held responsible.


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[jorluivil]

As soon as you enter the water you have become part of the food chain.

Is that not true?

[EDC]

I wish people would have their information at least a little straight before posting comments on YouTube. Reading through them made my brain hurt. Lots of hate shooting off in every direction when you go in that place, some justified and others just stupidly misinformed. I can see some kind of new law trying to get passed.
I'm not defending these guys at all cause I'd like to bitch slap the laugh right off their faces, but I think swimming and surfing right at a fishing pier, where you don't even need a license and there are hundreds of lines from noob fishermen in the water is pretty stupid. The pier is there for fishing, not swimming. Not very safe. But still, the guys on the pier do us absolutely no justice and should probably get a nice flogging for giving fishermen a black eye.

[lowprofile]

The shark was reacting to being hooked. The video and comments make fisherman look bad, but it's obvious from their gear and what they say that they were not fishing sharks, just stupid kids that had no clue what to do once they hooked the shark.

There was no way that shark was trying to feed on that swimmer and it obviously knew it was hooked. Cutting the line at the reel would of been stupid. The shark would of ended up towing the excess line, and could of eventually died. If you look carefully you can see that before the shark attacked it was on the surface obviously fighting the line moving right to left. It just happened to run into the crowd of swimmers as they crossed paths. If the fisherman had broken it off, or thrown the reel in freespool it would of probably dove or taken off and missed them completely. He was also using spectra. All he had to do to release it was lock up the reel and break it off. Once free it would of left the area.

I've never hooked a white but I have hooked many makos (a whites closest relative) and they will attack boats motors and sometimes even other sharks, especially blue sharks, when hooked. They attack other sharks because they feel threatened, injure them, then leave them bleeding as bait. It's the marine equivalent of being left for the wolves

exactly. except the part about the guys being stupid or dumbasses like I see a lot posting. hook a big fish and watch it go right into a bunch of dumbass swimmers and you'll laugh too. hook an 8ft shark and watch the only two people on the beach, who decided to get in the water right in front of you, get close lined by 150lb mono and you'll laugh. I say "dumbass swimmers" because there are rules about swimming and surfing near piers and anyone who deliberately swims up to a fishing pier deserves to get hooked or tangled in line, that shark did him one better than any fishermen could.

I still have yet to see pics of the injury and I'm willing to bet he sustained them when the shark jumped/thrashed on the surface due to the line and leader. sure the sharks skin may have given him a rash or a tooth caught somewhere but that was it. I've never seen a white go air born when hooked but they do go to the surface as do most sharks, especially when pulling from a higher point like the pier.

[Cbad Mike]

Bringing it back into the kayak world, maybe we can learn a little something from this. The sharks are definitely out there and it's no surprise how the react to being hooked and pulled on. They jump and bite at anything around them to survive,
SO let's be as safe as possible if we hook a good size Mako or the like. If your close to other kayakers let them know so they can keep an eye open for the pissed off shark incase it comes their way. Also as always, stay aware of your surroundings while out.
For the most part this type of accident can be avoided with the use of a little common sense.
Let's not let this happen to one of us!
:cheers1:

[rrocco]

City Bans fishing From Manhattan Beach Pier.

http://www.ci.manhattan-beach.ca.us/Home/Components/News/News/1735/43?backlist=%2F

You wonder if this was due to the incident itself or the behavior of the fishermen in the video.

[momo fish]

Awesome! Swimmer gets bitten by a shark and the angler gets punished. How come there isn't a temporary ban on swimming or surfing???

[DanaPT]

We'll they if they are looking for public comment and you care ... Let your voice be heard...

MDANAJ@CITYMB.INFO

Mark Danaj (MDANAJ@CITYMB.INFO?subject=Manhattan%20Beach%20Te mporarily%20Bans%20Fishing%20From%20Pier), City Manager
City of Manhattan Beach (http://www.citymb.info)
Phone: (310) 802-5053 Phone
Fax: (310) 802-5051 Fax

[cell128]

This means all those pier guys gonna rush out to buy kayaks and were gonna be packed out there!

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[momo fish]

Just don't chum the water or the city will ban kayaking.

[Dail14]

I think they need the state's permission to do this though. At least to permanently remove the ability to fish there.

[Vansmack]

PETA was/is there to help, calling for a ban on all fishing, of course.

[PapaDave]

Perhaps the swimmer is a PETA agent sent to swim off the pier for this very reason. It's all a conspiracy I tell you! A conspiracy!!!

[wiredantz]

What a Mess! I'm surprised this has not happened in La Jolla with all the fishery and constant swimmers there.


If you are swimming in the ocean, there is a risk.
If you are swimming next to a fisherman there is a greater risk.
If you are swimming next to a pier full of fisherman there is even a greater risk.


I don't know what happened, but nobody knew that the shark was going to bite the swimmers. At the same time I don't know who is most at fault here,
the swimmers or the fisherman fishing legally who caught a shark off the pier.

[ful-rac]

What a Mess! I'm surprised this has not happened in La Jolla with all the fishery and constant swimmers there.


If you are swimming in the ocean, there is a risk.
If you are swimming next to a fisherman there is a greater risk.
If you are swimming next to a pier full of fisherman there is even a greater risk.


I don't know what happened, but nobody knew that the shark was going to bite the swimmers. At the same time I don't know who is most at fault here,
the swimmers or the fisherman fishing legally who caught a shark off the pier.


Frank if you fish in Malibu again there is an even greater risk.

[wiredantz]

Frank if you fish in Malibu again there is an even greater risk.

LOL... what is it with you and Malibu? Malibu and I go way back....:stickyman:

[kayachapi]

Perhaps the swimmer is a PETA agent sent to swim off the pier for this very reason. It's all a conspiracy I tell you! A conspiracy!!!
I knew it!

Reaction bite, reaction comments, reaction fishing ban. I had read a while back that GW's are mainly fish eaters until they reach around 10', then they switch to mammals (and human flesh). That was from memory and the internet, for what it's worth. I had heard the guy that got bit, on a talk radio show yesterday. He had no health insurance and wanted to know who was going to pay his medical bills. He said the fisherman were agitating the shark and caused the fish to bite him. Very angry at the people who where laughing on the U tube video. I haven't seen it. He takes no responsibility for putting himself in the Pacific Ocean, or swimming near a pier. I think this story will be around for while, and the truth may finally get out after all the sensational BS is played out. Next headline, "Man sues Fisherman, Manhattan Beach, DFW, State of California, and the Pacific Ocean.

[ful-rac]

Hey....!!?? you can sue the pacific ocean???


Well...I've lost a few sinkers in my day...and I think I should be compensated for em'! ;):D

[Zed]

Such a clusterfu[k.

Grabbed this off TV but can't find an audio file host so I'll transcribe:
This guy was labeled as a PETA spokesperson. You have to laugh. You'd think they'd find someone less than an ignorant idiot as a spokesperson.

"A 60-day ban is going to keep people safe for the time being, but over the long term, there's only one way to keep sharks out of these shallow waters, and that's by banning fishing altogether. If we start fishing again in September, the sharks are only going to come back."

Ay caramba!
It is so obviously not a public safety issue. I bet more stitches were given statewide to surfer injuries over the 4th holiday than were given all year in CA for shark bites.

[ful-rac]

Such a clusterfu[k.

Grabbed this off TV but can't find an audio file host so I'll transcribe:
This guy was labeled as a PETA spokesperson. You have to laugh. You'd think they'd find someone less than an ignorant idiot as a spokesperson.

"A 60-day ban is going to keep people safe for the time being, but over the long term, there's only one way to keep sharks out of these shallow waters, and that's by banning fishing altogether. If we start fishing again in September, the sharks are only going to come back."

Ay caramba!
It is so obviously not a public safety issue. I bet more stitches were given statewide to surfer injuries over the 4th holiday than were given all year in CA for shark bites.

No f'n way they said that?!

A fishing ban is going to keep people safe?

Gotta find tht video

[Cbad Mike]

These people's stupidity amazes me!!!
They are the same ass$oles who would drive their kid to a sleepover at Michael Jackson's house and then cry and complain when their kid comes home smelling like Jesus juice and walking funny.
IDIOTS!
As for PETA........... I know that they don't like meat but the whole lot of them can BITE ME!!!.

[Zed]

the quoted text was word for word by a PETA spokesperson.
5:00 hour 7kabc

I can email the audio file.

[dmrides]

"A 60-day ban is going to keep people safe for the time being, but over the long term, there's only one way to keep sharks out of these shallow waters, and that's by banning fishing altogether. If we start fishing again in September, the sharks are only going to come back."


This is not entirely correct; sharks did not exist at all until people started fishing.

[Cbad Mike]

BREAKING NEWS
A shark was just struck by a truck on the 5 freeway North of San Diego.
It is reported that a male shark was hit and killed by a Toyota Tacoma while he was crossing the southbound lanes.
Per the Mayor, the 5 freeway will now be completely closed to all traffic going North and South for the next 60 days until it is determined that it is completely safe for sharks to cross the freeway.
A spokes dick for the animal rights group PETA has called for an immediate permanent closure of the freeway, swift legal action against Toyota, and the slow painful death of the driver of the Tacoma.
Story developing.

[Zed]

And the number of Siberian tiger attacks on the beach is nonexistent w the pier fishing ban.

[FISH11]

I knew it!

Reaction bite, reaction comments, reaction fishing ban. I had read a while back that GW's are mainly fish eaters until they reach around 10', then they switch to mammals (and human flesh). That was from memory and the internet, for what it's worth. I had heard the guy that got bit, on a talk radio show yesterday. He had no health insurance and wanted to know who was going to pay his medical bills. He said the fisherman were agitating the shark and caused the fish to bite him. Very angry at the people who where laughing on the U tube video. I haven't seen it. He takes no responsibility for putting himself in the Pacific Ocean, or swimming near a pier. I think this story will be around for while, and the truth may finally get out after all the sensational BS is played out. Next headline, "Man sues Fisherman, Manhattan Beach, DFW, State of California, and the Pacific Ocean.
It figures, a LAND SHARK tells the swimmer he has a case against the fisherman, the city, state and the ocean. Swimmer can't take personal responsibility, because that's what the LAND SHARKS have taught us. So it's everyone elses fault, except the OCEAN SHARK. Hey it's called PROFFESSIONAL CURTESY!

[wiredantz]

I think this is just a tragic accident, and no one is to blame. There should be a swimming ban for at least a year.

[Cbad Mike]

The "victim" is wondering who is going to pay his medical bills?
He should have signed up for Obama care...
Now the other taxman will pay him a visit next April. :D