Fishfinder help

[Oxbeast1210]

Im trying to decide on which of the following fishfinders to get. I did some research and am more confused then ever. I'm debating between the following:

Lowrance HDS 5 or 7
and
raymarine dragonfly 5.6 or 7

I have a PA12 and will be fishing La jolla and the Bays

Tell me which one gets your vote and if there is anything I should take into consideration . Also if you have the dragonfly how do you like it?

thanks
Oscar:reel::reel:

[tacmik]

dragon fly

[danjor]

I personally have a HDS 7 and it is great. But personlly I'd like to switch to a dragonfly 7 due to the structure scan which cost too much to add to lowrance...

[tsugg]

Dragonfly. It's like watching the fish bite your lure!!!
My lowrance freaks out in 4' of bay water covered with grass.
Dragonfly shows the fish in the grass!

[TJones]

Hds gen 3 . They are just releasing info at manufacturers website . Not available in stores yet . Lowrance products work well with the new hobies .

[cell128]

I got a elite hdi4 in hull mount on non Lawrence ready outback.... Would it make a big difference if the ducer was In the water as far as picture clarity? I always have a hard time reading it in 150+ ft depth....anyone else experience this or should I tinker with the settings. What's a good setup for u if u have this unit?

[Bert Vega]

I love my hds 7. Went thru this same thing just a little while ago. The only flaw I see with the dragon fly. Is it has no adjustability turn on and go.

[Bert Vega]

I got a elite hdi4 in hull mount on non Lawrence ready outback.... Would it make a big difference if the ducer was In the water as far as picture clarity? I always have a hard time reading it in 150+ ft depth....anyone else experience this or should I tinker with the settings. What's a good setup for u if u have this unit?

It will make a big difference. Had a elite 5 in the hull. Now have lowrance ready. Night and day difference between the two.

[cell128]

Damn...I thought I was crazy.....I might try a over the side pvc setup or through scupper hole....unless I sell the outback and upgrade to one with duxer ready mount...thanks for the tip

[octico]

I have the DragonFly 5.6 ... what a difference from my old Elite-4. I would be sitting next to folks and they would be telling the was structure underneath, I saw nothing. The DragonFly is amazing no configuration, just plug it in and go. I can see structure in 200 ft of water where before I was not able to.

[danjor]

Hds gen 3 . They are just releasing info at manufacturers website . Not available in stores yet . Lowrance products work well with the new hobies .

Oooo I just looked up the gen 3. I think I might sell my gen 2 and grab a gen 3 when they come out. Just where to put all 3 transducers on a pro angler 14. Guess you could do the thru hull chirp and broadband and put the big structure scan just on the bottom where the cart won't hit it. Anyone want to buy a HDS7 gen 2

[YakDout]

It will make a big difference. Had a elite 5 in the hull. Now have lowrance ready. Night and day difference between the two.


I second that. Big difference. Plus temp readings help.

[YakDout]

Oooo I just looked up the gen 3. I think I might sell my gen 2 and grab a gen 3 when they come out. Just where to put all 3 transducers on a pro angler 14. Guess you could do the thru hull chirp and broadband and put the big structure scan just on the bottom where the cart won't hit it. Anyone want to buy a HDS7 gen 2


That new gen 3 looks sweet but over 1k? That's some serious coin.

[cell128]

Thanks guys. Gonna rig something up

[Oxbeast1210]

The GEn 3 does look sweet but out of my budget for now.

thanks for the input everyone i'm leaning towards the dragonfly 7

[TJones]

Oooo I just looked up the gen 3. I think I might sell my gen 2 and grab a gen 3 when they come out. Just where to put all 3 transducers on a pro angler 14. Guess you could do the thru hull chirp and broadband and put the big structure scan just on the bottom where the cart won't hit it. Anyone want to buy a HDS7 gen 2
If you click on the package deals it shows the standard transducers . 83 and 50 kHz. It's one transducer and the structure scan lss2 . P.s. If you figure out a way to mount the Lss 2 , let me know please .

[danjor]

If you click on the package deals it shows the standard transducers . 83 and 50 kHz. It's one transducer and the structure scan lss2 . P.s. If you figure out a way to mount the Lss 2 , let me know please .

I haven't seen the lss2 in person but knowing the size if you were to use 2 thru hull one for chirp and one for broadband on the two flat sides adjacent to the lowrance ready area on the pro angler and put the lss2 in the middle and route the cable up thru the lowrance ready area that would work, just would have be careful with the big transducer there. And to the people thinking were crazy trying to put all these expensive electronics on our yaks, its still cheaper to have a yak than a boat :D

[TJones]

I haven't seen the lss2 in person but knowing the size if you were to use 2 thru hull one for chirp and one for broadband on the two flat sides adjacent to the lowrance ready area on the pro angler and put the lss2 in the middle and route the cable up thru the lowrance ready area that would work, just would have be careful with the big transducer there. And to the people thinking were crazy trying to put all these expensive electronics on our yaks, its still cheaper to have a yak than a boat :D

Structure scan or down scan transducers ( including the lss 2 )need to be in the water .

[danjor]

Structure scan or down scan transducers ( including the lss 2 )need to be in the water .

I know I said put it on the bottom of the boat, aka goop it to the bottom hull the side that is i t the water not inside the yak and put the wire up threw the scupper of the lowrance ready area.

[Oxbeast1210]

Well my wife caught me researching the two fish finders and said to stop looking because she already got me one of them. she wont tell me which brand but said its a 7 inch screen.

[Oxbeast1210]

its the Dragonfly 7

[danjor]

its the Dragonfly 7

You are one lucky guy!

[cell128]

Does she have a sister? ;)

[TJones]

If you upgrade in March when they release the new one.:luxhello:

[Oxbeast1210]

Looks like there is a dragonfly 4 now...
http://www.basspro.com/Raymarine-Dragonfly4-Pro-Fishfinder/GPS-Chartplotter/product/1409151346/

[Oxbeast1210]

Looks like it can stream the sonar to your phone..... seems like a cool concept

[momo fish]

Wow!! Almost half the cost of the 5 inch model and has chirp!! Now that's awesome.

Something seems odd that 4.3 inch compared to 5 inch is that big a price difference. Am I missing something?


Looks like there is a dragonfly 4 now...

http://www.basspro.com/Raymarine-Dragonfly4-Pro-Fishfinder/GPS-Chartplotter/product/1409151346/

[Oxbeast1210]

I wonder how good that streaming is?

[octico]

I would go with the new DragonFly 5 it looks like they kept the knob on thew new 7. The knob does get annoying at times.

[tsugg]

Wow! Merry Christmas!🎅

[tamddo714]

What's the catch with the new dragonfly 4? Does It come with a transducer?


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[Siebler]

I wonder how good that streaming is?

I've used both the RayViewer and RayRemote apps for my A98 and it works great. Pretty much instantaneous feed to phone. Its awesome.

[cell128]

Itching to upgrade outback to Lawrence ready model now :(

[TJones]

With hobie lowrance ready?

[TJones]

Itching to upgrade outback to Lawrence ready model now :(

Hefty price jump . Maybe I will trade over the water with Mo ? :rolleyes:

[cell128]

I figure I could sell mine for around 1100-1300 and pick one up a few hundred more? I really don't wanna hang a pvc over the side for transducer. Any ideas how to stick it in the water any other way?

[TJones]

I figure I could sell mine for around 1100-1300 and pick one up a few hundred more? I really don't wanna hang a pvc over the side for transducer. Any ideas how to stick it in the water any other way?

So I grabbed a 2014 model early in year . There is one other method that works well. Lowrance sells mount that slides through scupper hole in back of yak . Transducer will be in water exposed slightly under yak . Of course you will negate one of the best features of the hobies , which is the add on bait tank with rod holders .

[cell128]

So I grabbed a 2014 model early in year . There is one other method that works well. Lowrance sells mount that slides through scupper hole in back of yak . Transducer will be in water exposed slightly under yak . Of course you will negate one of the best features of the hobies , which is the add on bait tank with rod holders .
Nice! I didn't know about this...will look for it. U have a link? I use the dog food bait tank so don't need scupper hole other than for cart

[cell128]

I found this one. Would it work? Lowrance 000-10606-001 Kayak Scupper Mount for "Skimmer" Type Transducers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0067MUZQY/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_lCoNub0SSXGRD

[tamddo714]

if you dont want to run a transducer arm. there was a guy who ran the transducer through the seat scupper on an outback.

[cell128]

Definetely gonna try this out. Thanks guys

[cell128]

Got it installed just unsure if I should drill hole in that spot u marked with the tape. Looks good feels sturdy can't wait to get it on the water.... I don't hrik.I should have any trouble worst part might be loading on truck http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/30/35aaeb31123d32a34d179793283c313d.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/30/cd4e4ea29e2c7f832f2b563e061c9d4d.jpg

[YakDout]

Looks good. Cheaper than upgrading to lowrance ready. Will you cart still work? You should notice a major difference in picture.

[YakDout]

Would you be able to use this:

http://www.westmarine.com/west-marine--two-hole-wire-caps--P003_094_010_501

Works great for sending wires through plastic while still maintaining water proof. Hole saw for the drilling.

[MissileTM]

Get the Hobie through hull wiring kit. You just need a 1" spade bit to install them. I am almost sure that they have them at OEX as well, just couldn't find a link to them on their website.

http://www.austinkayak.com/products/12509/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Wiring-Kit.html

[cell128]

Looks good. Cheaper than upgrading to lowrance ready. Will you cart still work? You should notice a major difference in picture.
I got this cart but never used the frame. Just stole the wheels from it and used them on my plug in frame. Gonna have to use the frame now. I built my own stabalizer bars but I f'd it all up I may have to buy a new frame lol. I might tell the company it bent maybe they will send me a new frame
Harmony Stowaway Cart with Beach Wheels https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBEU2DI/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_AFSOub0PDA3AB

[cell128]

Thanks for the cable plug links I was looking for them couldn't find them I sent Andy a pm

[tsugg]

I love my hds 7. Went thru this same thing just a little while ago. The only flaw I see with the dragon fly. Is it has no adjustability turn on and go.
I've been studing the manual and practicing on the water and you can adjust just about everything on the DragonFly if you need to. I've been zooming in to just the bottom 100'(say from 85' to the bottom 100') of water and can really get a great look a deep structure. Saw fish crusing around at 75' with a bottom depth of 110' and I can zoom just that 75' area if needed so even though it works fantastic on auto you can run the dragonfly any way you want or need.:reel:

[Oxbeast1210]

Mine came in today gonna install it later tonight. Man I'm going to love the 7 inch screen its sweet!

[Silbaugh4liberty]

I have the DragonFly 5.6 ... what a difference from my old Elite-4. I would be sitting next to folks and they would be telling the was structure underneath, I saw nothing. The DragonFly is amazing no configuration, just plug it in and go. I can see structure in 200 ft of water where before I was not able to.

No wonder why you were so eager to have some wagers going on the rockfish a few months back!!! I better hurry up and upgrade before March! The x-4 is crap in Newport Canyon.

I'm jealous, take some pics as you go over the canyon in La Jolla next time Oxbeast. I want to see what it picks up.

[Oxbeast1210]

Will do! im going to try to take it out tomorrow . I dont like the joystick so far... but everything else is sweet

[tsugg]

The joystick becomes an extension of your finger once you're used to it. For pictures you'll notice in the instructions, you can take a quick screen shot of anything on the screen any time you want. Then download it to your putr.

[Oxbeast1210]

ready to go hope to test it tomorrow!

[Silbaugh4liberty]

That's bad ass. I have fish finder envy now!!

I did some looking into that Dragonfly 4 and from what I see, it was taken down from the Bass Pro website, because it's supposed to be available in February. Even some UK websites showed the price (in pounds), but says available in Feb also.


http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/159595/why-shares-of-flir-fell-despite-3-new-product-launches

[tamddo714]

I bought a dragonfly 4. It should be on it's way hopefully


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[momo fish]

Nice. Looks like they sold out or current units.

Post a report once you take it out. This unit for the price is a great deal!!! Waiting for west marine to carry it come February or March according to rep

I bought a dragonfly 4. It should be on it's way hopefully


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[Silbaugh4liberty]

Nice. Looks like they sold out or current units.

Post a report once you take it out. This unit for the price is a great deal!!! Waiting for west marine to carry it come February or March according to rep

X2- let us know it is Tamddo . I've been wanting new electronics, and $300 is much more affordable than $500-650 or whatever the 5.7 and 7 inch are. :cheers1:

[tsugg]

it doesn't have chirp tech

[momo fish]

Dragonfly 4 has Chirp. Basically everything except smaller screen.

[tsugg]

I was thinking of the raymarine web site where it shows the standard DF4 has no chirp sonar. I also noticed they have really done some remodeling of all the DF line.Now they have several models.

Dragonfly 4 has Chirp. Basically everything except smaller screen.

[momo fish]

http://www.wmjmarine.com/c55518.html

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Does not having Chirp effect the quality of what you're reading? Hope it still works just as good as the other models (just in smaller screen).

[tamddo714]

i'll definitely post up a review once i receive it. The one that was ordered thru BPS was a pro model.

[tsugg]

That's a sweet model.Pro= chirp

[tamddo714]

cabelas seem to have the new unit on their website but says they are backordable.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Boating/Marine-Electronics/Sonars-SonarGPS-Combos%7C/pc/104794380/c/104707080/sc/104588280/Raymarinereg-Dragonfly-4-DVS-Sonar/1916553.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fsona rs-sonar-gps-combos%2Fraymarine%2F_%2FN-1100517%2B1000004438%2FNe-1000004438%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BBRprd1916553%26WTz_st %3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU&WTz_l=SBC%3BBRprd1916553%3Bcat104588280

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Raymarinereg-Dragonfly-4-Combo-Pro-Nav-Gold/1916552.uts