Looking for Guides

[Mobyfish]

Please hit me up if you're a guide. Looking for yak fishing guides.
-Mobyfish

[jorluivil]

Be your own guide, its far more rewarding

[Bert Vega]

Be your own guide, its far more rewarding

To each there own. For me it made sense and didn't feel any less rewarding. But that is just me :D

[chris138]

Be your own guide, its far more rewarding

If your second post ever is trolling for a guide, there isn't much hope for the DIY approach.

[chris138]

To each there own. For me it made sense and didn't feel any less rewarding. But that is just me :D

It didn't feel less rewarding because you had instant success, unlike many who fish mired in frustration for months or years before figuring out how to target large game fish.

As you said, to each their own. I know for a fact it's money well spent if you don't have hundreds of hours to burn chasing birds and phantom sonar marks. Call the Darkhorse, Moby!

[Mobyfish]

Hey Guys, thanks for the participation on this thread.

I'm actually looking for several guides. I have a ton of people that want to go fishing and I want to send them the right way. Should have been more clear.

That said, I could personally use some tuning up on my skills. If anyone wants to go out as a guide for a day let me know. Be glad to give you my business.

-Mobyfish

[Cadillyak]

I'll take you out and we can catch a ton of nothing. If that doesn't suit your needs, call josh aka the dark horse.

[food4less562]

If you're in the Long Beach/San Pedro area and want to target bass and halibut, you can shadow me in exchange for a few margaritas

[octico]

Trust me I have struggled with this many times. If you are local fisherman then your time on the water and read the forums. If you don't catch a YT in 10 years then you are not doing enough reading or you have not spent enough time on the water. FYI, I still have NOT caught YT on a yak .... trust me I will!!!!

If you have put in your time on the yak (for whatever reason) and you ready to throw in the towel or your are from out of town then call Dark Horse. If I was to go to the east coast fishing for Tarpon off a kayak ... you are damn straight I would look for a guide,.


Those "local" guys who paid a get a guide, I don't knock you, to each their own ... I am one of those few guys that are a glutton for punishment ...work, work, work and then work again. I caught my first legal Hali with no guide (took 8 months ) ... and boy did it feel damn good.


---rant over fish on all :cheers1:


:cheers1:

[Cadillyak]

When I went with the dark horse, first thing I said was that I want to learn and shorten the learning curve. Catching a fish was extra. Although I didn't land a yellow, I learned to how to do everything ftom surf launch, to make baut, to areas to fish, to fighting fish, blah blah blah. Get a guide to learn so u can repeat the correct steps without a guide.

[Mobyfish]

Trust me I have struggled with this many times. If you are local fisherman then your time on the water and read the forums. If you don't catch a YT in 10 years then you are not doing enough reading or you have not spent enough time on the water. FYI, I still have NOT caught YT on a yak .... trust me I will!!!!

If you have put in your time on the yak (for whatever reason) and you ready to throw in the towel or your are from out of town then call Dark Horse. If I was to go to the east coast fishing for Tarpon off a kayak ... you are damn straight I would look for a guide,.


Those "local" guys who paid a get a guide, I don't knock you, to each their own ... I am one of those few guys that are a glutton for punishment ...work, work, work and then work again. I caught my first legal Hali with no guide (took 8 months ) ... and boy did it feel damn good.


---rant over fish on all :cheers1:


:cheers1:

Kudos to OC Tico. You are die hard, my friend:luxhello:

[Mobyfish]

When I went with the dark horse, first thing I said was that I want to learn and shorten the learning curve. Catching a fish was extra. Although I didn't land a yellow, I learned to how to do everything ftom surf launch, to make baut, to areas to fish, to fighting fish, blah blah blah. Get a guide to learn so u can repeat the correct steps without a guide.

I agree completely with you Cadillyak. I'd be stoked to go out with Darkhorse. Also wish there were more guides like him. I need a lot of guides--not for me. I'm referring people to guides and have too many customers and not enough guides.

-Mobyfish:you_rock:

[Mobyfish]

If you're in the Long Beach/San Pedro area and want to target bass and halibut, you can shadow me in exchange for a few margaritas

Thanks! I'll PM you in a minute.

-Mobyfish

[Dannowar]

there will probably be a groupon deal coming up soon, keep your eyes open

[Chuck D]

X2, X3, X4


Be your own guide, its far more rewarding

[Saba Slayer]

PM Sent...

[RookieYakker]

I'll take you out and we can catch a ton of nothing.

Ha! Unfortunately X2

[The pelican]

The old "on your own vs. hire a guide" dabate. If you're referring clients for a day on the water kayak fishing, case closed. Hire a good guide - THEDARKHORSE.

For the rest of us it's a personal choice. I kayak fished for 4 years on my own and learned very little, very slowly without much of any help whatsoever (wasn't even aware of BWE and never talked to other kayak anglers because I launched and fished from birdrock area and didnt even know there was a launch in LJ.)

I lucked out a few times and admit it did feel much more rewarding when I would land the very occasional gamefsh on my own. You know what they say - even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I also made some mistakes (panicking when I caught my first BSB and not knowing how to get him quickly safely released, which was a close call but worked out)

Fellow BWE guys helped when I discovered LJ and hooked up but didn't come prepared with a gaff or game clip. The guys at El Pescador accepted a case of beer in exchange for yellowtail fillet help. All that was great and I'm glad it was part of my expirience.

Eventually I decided it's best to learn from the best. I paid to hire Josh and it was an unreal value for me, relative to the price he charges (time saved, number of fish caught, knowledge gained, money saved buying the right gear).

I'm convinced that it's more rewarding to struggle and then finally get what you're after in just about anything you do in life. If you're looking for a rewarding expirience, do it on your own for a while.

If you're looking to learn a ton of priceless fishing info, save time, save money, catch fish consistently, and shut up and follow instructions, Josh is the guy.

[Mobyfish]

there will probably be a groupon deal coming up soon, keep your eyes open

Thanks. Good call. I'll look out for that.

[Mobyfish]

PM Sent...

Thanks! Just sent reply.

[Mobyfish]

The old "on your own vs. hire a guide" dabate. If you're referring clients for a day on the water kayak fishing, case closed. Hire a good guide - THEDARKHORSE.

For the rest of us it's a personal choice. I kayak fished for 4 years on my own and learned very little, very slowly without much of any help whatsoever (wasn't even aware of BWE and never talked to other kayak anglers because I launched and fished from birdrock area and didnt even know there was a launch in LJ.)

I lucked out a few times and admit it did feel much more rewarding when I would land the very occasional gamefsh on my own. You know what they say - even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I also made some mistakes (panicking when I caught my first BSB and not knowing how to get him quickly safely released, which was a close call but worked out)

Fellow BWE guys helped when I discovered LJ and hooked up but didn't come prepared with a gaff or game clip. The guys at El Pescador accepted a case of beer in exchange for yellowtail fillet help. All that was great and I'm glad it was part of my expirience.

Eventually I decided it's best to learn from the best. I paid to hire Josh and it was an unreal value for me, relative to the price he charges (time saved, number of fish caught, knowledge gained, money saved buying the right gear).

I'm convinced that it's more rewarding to struggle and then finally get what you're after in just about anything you do in life. If you're looking for a rewarding expirience, do it on your own for a while.

If you're looking to learn a ton of priceless fishing info, save time, save money, catch fish consistently, and shut up and follow instructions, Josh is the guy.

Thanks Pelican. And Amen to all that. Calillyak said pretty much the same thing and I agree with you guys. Here's my situation:
1. I do want to improve my own skills and am hoping to get out there with Darkhorse.
2. Long story short, I'm working with a tour operator software platform. Huge number of kayak fishing clients in the system and no guides to refer them to. I need a lot of guides. So if you know any or know guys who want to do some guiding, please let me know.

-Mobyfish

[TJones]

The picture he supplies you with holding a trophy fish will be priceless . Look at all happy faces on fish porn Friday .

[PapaDave]

What is involved with being a guide? License, insurance and such...

I might be interested, not an expert in LJ but Dana Point and O'Side I am very familiar with.

[jorluivil]

If you're looking for a quick fix call the drug dealer:call:

If you have patience like me, cultivate your own drugs:sifone:

[Mobyfish]

The picture he supplies you with holding a trophy fish will be priceless . Look at all happy faces on fish porn Friday .

Ha! That's what I hear. Just sent you a PM.

-Mobyfish

[Mobyfish]

Just sent you a PM.
-Mobyfish

[Mobyfish]

What is involved with being a guide? License, insurance and such...

I might be interested, not an expert in LJ but Dana Point and O'Side I am very familiar with.

Thanks Papa. Please check your PM.
-Mobyfish

[Bert Vega]

If you're looking for a quick fix call the drug dealer:call:

If you have patience like me, cultivate your own drugs:sifone:

Nobody wants sh-wag :sifone:

And dont you have help from more experienced growers :D

[alanw]

2. Long story short, I'm working with a tour operator software platform. Huge number of kayak fishing clients in the system and no guides to refer them to. I need a lot of guides. So if you know any or know guys who want to do some guiding, please let me know.

-Mobyfish

It sounds like it would be a fun part-time gig but I'm pretty sure just getting some guys who want to do some guiding won't fly, especially here in nanny-regulated California.

Like PapaDave touched on, I'd bet you need to use properly licensed guides which means they have a CA business license, proper liability insurance and surety bond, a CA guide license (https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Guide), and whatever other special things like CPR/Rescue training certs that the state may require for a hunting/fishing guide. If they do any guiding on a motorized vessel they would probably also need a commercial Coast Guard license.

You should ask a licensed guide about the requirements.

[jorluivil]

Nobody wants sh-wag :sifone:

And dont you have help from more experienced growers :D

Nope

[Smthtnnr]

If you're looking for a quick fix call the drug dealer:call:

If you have patience like me, cultivate your own drugs:sifone:

I love the consistency of my drug dealer. I'm addicted... and occasional isn't good enough. :D


You could be kayak fishing for 10 years and would probably only know half of what Josh teaches. Sure you can teach yourself... but some things he has taught me would be pretty close to impossible to figure out on your own.

I don't see a reason to downplay Kevin and Josh's business... but feel free to enlighten me

[jorluivil]

I love the consistency of my drug dealer. I'm addicted... and occasional isn't good enough. :D


You could be kayak fishing for 10 years and would probably only know half of what Josh teaches. Sure you can teach yourself... but some things he has taught me would be pretty close to impossible to figure out on your own.

I don't see a reason to downplay Kevin and Josh's business... but feel free to enlighten me


Perhaps you can enlighten me by telling me how exactly I downplayed two people whose names I never mentioned

[driftwood]

[QUOTE=jorluivil;216893]Nope[/QUO


Are you saying you learned everything yourself?

Greg,Tony,Jim, and the rest were useless to you? Really?

[Zed]

I love the consistency of my drug dealer. I'm addicted... and occasional isn't good enough. :D


You could be kayak fishing for 10 years and would probably only know half of what Josh teaches. Sure you can teach yourself... but some things he has taught me would be pretty close to impossible to figure out on your own.

Meh.
Maybe youre just slow.

[Smthtnnr]

Perhaps you can enlighten me by telling me how exactly I downplayed two people whose names I never mentioned

Saying that a guide makes fishing less rewarding? You didn't mention them... just their business.


Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.

[momo fish]

You should start a guide service and focus on halibut....

If you're looking for a quick fix call the drug dealer:call:

If you have patience like me, cultivate your own drugs:sifone:

[Deamon]

[QUOTE=jorluivil;216893]Nope[/QUO


Are you saying you learned everything yourself?

Greg,Tony,Jim, and the rest were useless to you? Really?


Gabe-man, you've been useless to me you sum bitch. Start passing me your damn Friday fish reports (I'll even pay money for good detail) or I'll keep on your arse! :the_finger:
Jim

[ful-rac]

Saying that a guide makes fishing less rewarding? You didn't mention them... just their business.


Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.



Wow....this is getting good!

[driftwood]

This is a very interesting quote by Mr Jorluivil.

I guess he did learned something from Josh after all.



http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?p=81967

[jorluivil]

Saying that a guide makes fishing less rewarding? You didn't mention them... just their business.


Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.



Yawn

[ful-rac]

This is a very interesting quote by Mr Jorluivil.

I guess he did learned something from Josh after all.



http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?p=81967


Wow this is getting REALLY GOOOD!!!!

[jorluivil]

Wow this is getting REALLY GOOOD!!!!


And to think that I caught all of my fish without a guide at my side.

[Zed]

Saying that a guide makes fishing less rewarding? You didn't mention them... just their business.


Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.
Lol


There you go. Instant expert. just hire a guide.

[driftwood]

Yawn


I have a lot respect towards Greg Andrew and big Tony. Both can easily be fishing guides. You're lucky you have them as friends. stop being such a pompous and give them some PROPS!

[jorluivil]

Saying that a guide makes fishing less rewarding? You didn't mention them... just their business.


Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.

Anti guide sentiment? Now anyone who decides not to use a guide is a bad guy? Grow up. You're blowing this up for one reason and one reason only, you're a client of Josh. I have a mortgage payment, a college bill that will not be paid off for many years and I'm someone who prefers to do things on his own, if you have the money to hire him have fun with it. I understand why you stand by the guides and defend them, because you use their services, ain't nothing wrong with that. Do you know why I drink coca cola products? Because I work for them. Would it make any sense for me to bash them? Stop for a minute and understand that contrary to what you're saying my comments weren't meant to downplay anyone, I can assure you that Josh will not lose clients because of my comments, this whole thread is free publicity for him. Unfortunately, you've taken my comments and twisted them to make me and all of the other anti-guide people look like we're bashing someone, I don't care who uses him/them. I stand by what I said, its more rewarding when you do it yourself and if you think otherwise I could care less. If you want to pay someone to guide you around have fun with it.

You should come fish with use at Irvine Lake this weekend, maybe you care share all of that knowledge.

[jorluivil]

I have a lot respect towards Greg Andrew and big Tony. Both can easily be fishing guides. You're lucky you have them as friends. stop being such a pompous and give them some PROPS!

I have no clue who those guys are

[driftwood]

Good night man....enough said. :boxing_smiley:

[Cbad Mike]

Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.

I guess it's easy to get up on a pedestal when someone gives you a ladder.
Now with that said you have to ask yourself... did I actually earn the right to sit up there and judge or did I just buy my seat?
Also, if you can hear me way up there I'd like to ask you a question. What do you think constitutes a "trophy" fish? Me personally, I think a "trophy" is any fish that I catch that I'm proud of regardless of how big it is and who is taking the picture.
Let's get something straight. I think guides are awesome. I wish I could make money while fishing and sharing the sport I love. Kevin, Josh, Jim, Wade etc. are pros. They have a knowledge and ability to fish like most of us want to fish.
Do you really think your on their level?
I'm not sure but I don't believe that you can actually buy membership into that club.
Ya gotta earn that "trophy" ego!
:cheers1:

[619-SWIM-DOG]

I guess it's easy to get up on a pedestal when someone gives you a ladder.
Now with that said you have to ask yourself... did I actually earn the right to sit up there and judge or did I just buy my seat?
Also, if you can hear me way up there I'd like to ask you a question. What do you think constitutes a "trophy" fish? Me personally, I think a "trophy" is any fish that I catch that I'm proud of regardless of how big it is and who is taking the picture.
Let's get something straight. I think guides are awesome. I wish I could make money while fishing and sharing the sport I love. Kevin, Josh, Jim, Wade etc. are pros. They have a knowledge and ability to fish like most of us want to fish.
Do you really think your on their level?
I'm not sure but I don't believe that you can actually buy membership into that club.
Ya gotta earn that "trophy" ego!
:cheers1:

X2

[ful-rac]

Irvine is gonna be FUN!!!!!! :luxhello:

[Cbad Mike]

Just to clarify one thing......
When I mentioned Jim in my last post I meant Jim Sammons not that Deamon guy cause that Jim can't fish worth sh#t. :D

[jruiz]

:D:D

[Deamon]

Just to clarify one thing......
When I mentioned Jim in my last post I meant Jim Sammons not that Deamon guy cause that Jim can't fish worth sh#t. :D

Oh...it's on again now.

All of my food this weekend is going to make ALL OF YOU:puke:
I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water and nailing anyone who shows up. :the_finger:

[driftwood]

[QUOTE=driftwood;216901]


Gabe-man, you've been useless to me you sum bitch. Start passing me your damn Friday fish reports (I'll even pay money for good detail) or I'll keep on your arse! :the_finger:
Jim


Jim, quit your day job and become a fishing guide. Your fishing reports make do this :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Mikey Likes It]

I know I'll get blasted but:

A guide to me seems like someone helping you solve a puzzle: You solve the puzzle and get the reward but you didn't do it on your own.

And a lot has to do with money. There are rich, poor, middle class kayak fisherman and all in between. Is it worth $100-$200 for someone to guide you for a day? If you only spent $300 on a kayak and fishing gear to get started then a guide probably isn't ideal. If you start with buying a Hobie Pro Angler and only fish on the weekends it's priceless.

Different strokes for different folks!!

[Cbad Mike]

Oh...it's on again now.

All of my food this weekend is going to make ALL OF YOU:puke:
I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water and nailing anyone who shows up. :the_finger:

When you say "nailing" do you mean that in a sexual way? :eek:

[ful-rac]

When you say "nailing" do you mean that in a sexual way? :eek:

Of course he does silly!

[Mobyfish]

It sounds like it would be a fun part-time gig but I'm pretty sure just getting some guys who want to do some guiding won't fly, especially here in nanny-regulated California.

Like PapaDave touched on, I'd bet you need to use properly licensed guides which means they have a CA business license, proper liability insurance and surety bond, a CA guide license (https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Guide), and whatever other special things like CPR/Rescue training certs that the state may require for a hunting/fishing guide. If they do any guiding on a motorized vessel they would probably also need a commercial Coast Guard license.

You should ask a licensed guide about the requirements.

Hi AlanW,

You bring up a lot of good points. I should have been a little more thorough. I can send you a PM and describe in greater detail, but all the things you mentioned are part of my platform (CA Guide License, bonding, insurance, etc.).

I appreciate the feedback.

-Mobyfish

[Deamon]

Irvine is gonna be FUN!!!!!! :luxhello:

Let's keep jacking Moby's thread...it's a four page thread Moby, congrats!

If you go to Irvine this weekend...you'll be talked about, insulted and bashed.

but if you do not go to Irvine...you'll really be talked about, insulted and bashed...:paddleersmilie:

[Chuck D]

Saying that a guide makes fishing less rewarding? You didn't mention them... just their business.


Whatever. I have just never understood the anti guide sentiment from some people, and have always found it funny that this attitude comes from people who rarely catch trophy fish.

Man, still waiting to catch that trophy fish. Maybe I should hit up a guide any suggestions?

[YakDout]

Those people saying that you will never know what these guides know. I have a question for you. Do you think the knowledge that they have came from an older generation guide who taught them? Or perhaps they spent time on the water until they learned on their own. I too cannot take anything away from these guides as I can see as to what kind of fish they catch. But to say that there is no way of ever having the fishing know-how that these guides have is a little ignorant.

*end of rant.

Heard the yellowtail were biting pretty locally, who wants to go fishing now?!

😁

[HAVABASS]

Does this same "Anti-Help" thinking apply to say...golf lessons, piano lessons, tennis, coaches, driving, tutoring?

Just wondering.....

[RK]

Bump... :D

[Saba Slayer]

Does this same "Anti-Help" thinking apply to say...golf lessons, piano lessons, tennis, coaches, driving, tutoring?
Just wondering.....

Stupid Teachers trying to learn us all stuff...They buy us books and teach us to read and what do we do? .....We eat the books?

Who needs em...I'm so smart I taught myself everything I need to know...!

[Iceman]

Feel free to debate, but no name calling................ ya goobers! :D

[Deamon]

Does this same "Anti-Help" thinking apply to say...golf lessons, piano lessons, tennis, coaches, driving, tutoring?

Just wondering.....

Not sure if anyone has been anti-guide in all of this...might be a money or maybe a pride thing...for others, Erinoo said it better than i could.. I carry my jewels in a wheel barrow.

Hahahhahahaha!

[driftwood]

Those people saying that you will never know what these guides know. I have a question for you. Do you think the knowledge that they have came from an older generation guide who taught them? Or perhaps they spent time on the water until they learned on their own. I too cannot take anything away from these guides as I can see as to what kind of fish they catch. But to say that there is no way of ever having the fishing know-how that these guides have is a little ignorant.

*end of rant.

Heard the yellowtail were biting pretty locally, who wants to go fishing now?!

��

This is NOT about being a "little ignorant" 70% of what you will learn or more will be on your own/time on the water. The other 30% comes from friends or a good guide. What really HELP the rate of you're success is being in a large circle of friends who are avid fisherman and feed you constant fish dope. but to say I learned on "my own" is BS.

Like the song says "I get a little help from my friends" Yes, even Tiger Woods hired a guide once.

[makobob]

Feel free to debate, but no name calling................ BAJA goobers! :D

Jim, The way things are going this year I think you are going to have to get a larger wheel barrow and wear your greenies too....................

As far as guides go, well some need them and some don't. Make your own choice, me I just rather fish Baja, more fish, more types and usually better size too. I rather catch 100-200 fish a day then maybe 4-5, but thats just me.

[jorluivil]

I hope that someday I will catch a trophy fish:cheers1:

[Deamon]

Jim, The way things are going this year I think you are going to have to get a larger wheel barrow and wear your greenies too....................

As far as guides go, well some need them and some don't. Make your own choice, me I just rather fish Baja, more fish, more types and usually better size too. I rather catch 100-200 fish a day then maybe 4-5, but thats just me.

MakoRoberto...if you've given up stateside fishing...find "the book"...you know which one I'm talking about and pass me your Pt Loma Sculpin numbers pal. Jim

[makobob]

MakoRoberto...if you've given up stateside fishing...find "the book"...you know which one I'm talking about and pass me your Pt Loma Sculpin numbers pal. Jim

Jim do you speak loran c? Those were the days!

[Saba Slayer]

OK...MHO...I've been a licensed/bonded DFG kayakfishing guide for 15 years...probably longer than a lot of you have been kayak fishing...that's not to say I know everything there is about fishing or kayaking! I don't and I'm the first to admit it...I love learning new rigging ,fishing tricks, and about the new electronics. I've seen this thread before over the years and it's always a bash on guides and what a waste of money that is. The same comment is usually made..."just come fishing with us".
Most of the kayakers I've taught over the years were very new to the sport of fishing or hooping...many had never been on a kayak before, let alone handled a fish or a lobster. Most didn't have a kayak or had just bought one. These folks had the MONEY to hire a guide and rent a kayak and they saw THEIR VALUE in that learning experience. It wasn't about catching a trophy for them...it was about learning a new sport and having fun. I've also taught a few sonar/GPS OTW clinics and those people were there to learn how to use their expensive electronics....that's why Lowrance has a classroom setting at the Fred Hall Shows. That's why I do seminars teaching kayak fishing and hooping...as a mater of fact I've seen a few of you guide haters at my seminars...why can't you just think of it as a seminar on the water!
It's not always a fun experience as a guide...I've baby-sat some knuckleheads that couldn't catch themselves in a box and I've answered a million questions till I had had it! Not everyone has access to a friend that will teach them the ropes...and the amount of time and attention that I pay to a client thats paying me is very different from the amount of time a friend will spend while fishing with you. It's also a tremendous amount of work setting up two or three yaks getting them on the water and then cleaning the gear and yaks then packing everything away so its clean and ready for the next client...baiting up the cages and cleaning them out...it's a lot of effort and doesn't really work out to a great hourly wage after all the prep and wrap work and time. Ask Ron from Baytubbers...he considered running some guided hoopnet trips...untill he realized how much work and babysitting it can be for only a few bucks.
There are many folks out there that have a gift and don't realize it...I've met lots of kayakers and clients over the years that didn't need a guide...they have that ability to experiment and experience just about anything and learn from it, weather it's from a friend or another kayaker on the water...those folks don't need a guide...! Cherish your God given GIFT and don't rag on those that don't have your life experiences or innate skills and need or can afford a TEACHER!
Then there is the client that wants to get a trophy...much like the Big Game Safaris...these are usually folks with MONEY and that's the way they operate...perhaps your jealous of their way of life or their access to the funds to enjoy their life as they see fit!
To each his own...whatever floats your boat/kayak !

[driftwood]

I hope that someday I will catch a trophy fish:cheers1:

I always had trouble seeing a complete picture of your trophy fish. All those kayakers around you keep getting in the dam way. :)

[Deamon]

I always had trouble seeing a complete picture of your trophy fish. All those kayakers around you keep getting in the dam way. :)

Jorge hasn't caught a trophy fish since Matt moved away...I think. I got a nice butt last year when Matt(aka StinkyMatt) told me to "drop it right now"...bam 28# butt hanging on the clip soon after...word

I'm flying Matt in next month for some guide sessions and I think he still has some dates available if anyone wants to pm him. Jim

[Cbad Mike]

I've baby-sat some knuckleheads that couldn't catch themselves in a box

Now that made me laugh!!!

[tacmik]

Well said Jim (Saba Slayer). I could be way off base on this, but I think that those that don't need a guide(or think they don't). My self included. Go out fishing with the confidence that they will catch fish and can figure out how to catch the targeted species. Those that hire a guide, either don't have the time to put on the water, need a boost for their confidence, are in a new area for just a short time and just want to get out and catch a fish (on vacation). More power to them. Whether you use a guide or not, there is no reason to bash those that use one or the guides themselves. They have a wealth of knowledge that they are willing to impart to those who wish to learn from them while making a living (or supplementing their income) doing something they love.

[Mobyfish]

Let's keep jacking Moby's thread...it's a four page thread Moby, congrats!

If you go to Irvine this weekend...you'll be talked about, insulted and bashed.

but if you do not go to Irvine...you'll really be talked about, insulted and bashed...:paddleersmilie:

BUAHAHAHA! Gotta Love It. We got a lively bunch here. I give it less than a day before someone starts speaking in Pirate. . . . Yyaarrrgh!

-Mobyfish

[fishing md]

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:cheers1:

IN FLYFISHING WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR LOL..

[Mobyfish]

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[momo fish]

Well said Jim...

Maybe if we should change the word guide to coach or teacher... There is a difference for me between using a guide to catch fish verses to learn how to catch fish... There are many reasons why folks use them and all are personal preferences and none should be discounted because of ones own choices. We are all not fortunate enough to have a "group" to share info/intel.

When I finally get frustrated enough or finish paying of the mortgage/tuition etc I will probably call a guide. Hopefully I can figure things out on my own using the forums,books etc. I also started fishing without a circle of friends who fished and had to learn a lot of things the hard way.. It was a great feeling once I did start landing fish but also grew frustrated each time I lost a possible trophy.

What's that old saying.. "Teach a man to fish..." That's what guides to me are doing.. Some will learn and be able to apply that knowledge others will probably die of starvation. 😊

Anyhow always love this discussion and to each their own as this will never be agreed nor does it need to be.

[Mobyfish]

Momo,

You nailed it. I used to be a snowboarding in structor. I watched a ton of people struggle on their own and absolutely kill themselves. They could barely walk the next day.

Those that took lessons with us had way more fun, got way less hurt, and were up and riding much more quickly.

The value in a teacher or coach (insert guide), is that is shortens the learning curve. Always good to figure things out on your own, but there's certainly no shame in learning from a pro. Learn the right way, from the start, and improve from there.

-Mobyfish

[TJones]

Nobody wants sh-wag :sifone:

And dont you have help from more experienced growers :D

;).

[TJones]

Mo and I will show you everything Josh taught us . :cheers1:
Checking pm now . Josh is an incredible guide , and an amazing photographer . Which puts the icing on the cake . Hope to see you soon J.P. . :jig:

[booger]

Do the professional guides here trade services?

[chris138]

Wow great thread lol so fun to sit down after lunch and soak all that in.:cheers1:

It is kind of silly to say that you will never learn what a guide knows on your own. The good guys fish every day, and they stay out all day. They keep moving, keep fishing, keep trying to extract every bit of detail or every possible clue. Guides also do what all other good fisherman do: LURK.

Hey is that guy snagged on a rock? LURK
Hey did that sea lion just puke up a squid? LURK
Hey I think I smell a seabass fart... LURK
Hey where did you catch that yellow, and with what bait and in what depth and on what size line LURK LURK LURK
Hey Josh forgot to cut off his top-secret disco mackerel jig before heading in!! you damn sure better LURK
Is that TROMPUS? LLLLUUURRRRRKKKKK

When I first started I lurked so hard I nearly broke my neck. The need for a guide is inversely proportional to your LURKER status:D

[lamb]

5 pages of lively debate, and I still haven't read the ultimate theses on whether it's really "better" to do it with, or without a guide. :D

But I think that's cool - maybe everyone should make a decision for themselves?
And all of us should, regardless of what our preferred learning path was, stop trying to influence other folks - and respect their decision?

I think it's the time we close this thread - nuff' said.

We're fortunate to have pretty good number of quality local kayak fishing guides, and a wonderful local kayak fishery.

This is plenty enough of a pitch for the guides.
They don't pay the BWE bills. :D

Fortunately, just like other hundreds of thousands of threads, this one will also be available for all future generations to search and find the information, hear local fishing guides names, and figure out how harmonious of a view our lil' community has on this particular subject. :D

[Deamon]

Okay, okay I'm going to give it up right here, right now free of charge. When I'm in La Jolla, I follow around this fish killing white boat with two hulls. They even hand out free donuts and beer! Thread killer Adi! :the_finger:

[jorluivil]

Up yours, Jim

[jorluivil]

Up yours, Jim

And for the record I'm talking abiut Jim (Deamon) and not Jim Salazar

[booger]

With a avatar like that. What you want to trade? Booty?? :eek:
Bert, what is wrong with my avatar?
I get what you a trying to do here and I don't think it is very funny OR nice.
SEAL HATER

[TJones]

Blah , blah , blah . :D. There was one other guide to mention. Wait , I think he retired ? :eek:

[ful-rac]

Blah , blah , blah . :D. There was one other guide to mention. Wait , I think he retired ? :eek:

Who Matt? I think he moved to Vermont.

[Bert Vega]

Bert, what is wrong with my avatar?
I get what you a trying to do here and I don't think it is very funny OR nice.
SEAL HATER


Your 100% right I am sorry. Please accept my apology. :cheers1:

and I REALLY DO HATE SEALS!

[GregAndrew]

The most entertaining part of this thread are the interpretations of some guys about what other guys just typed. But that is true about almost every forum. Some of the arguments on both sides are just about as funny too. Assuming that everyone has time to put in 20 trips to catch their first target species is about as dumb as believing that everyone in favor of the school of hard knocks fell into a code group putting them on bites. It is amazing how ingrained hyperbole (look it up) has become in our daily arguments. I will say that it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to start off regularly catching "trophy" fish without some excellent mentoring. And it is also unlikely that anyone that cuts down the "learning curve" will ever fathom what they missed.

[jorluivil]

The most entertaining part of this thread are the interpretations of some guys about what other guys just typed. But that is true about almost every forum. Some of the arguments on both sides are just about as funny too. Assuming that everyone has time to put in 20 trips to catch their first target species is about as dumb as believing that everyone in favor of the school of hard knocks fell into a code group putting them on bites. It is amazing how ingrained hyperbole (look it up) has become in our daily arguments. I will say that it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to start off regularly catching "trophy" fish without some excellent mentoring. And it is also unlikely that anyone that cuts down the "learning curve" will ever fathom what they missed.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x3N313kAa6Q/VMr4jNFqaTI/AAAAAAAARiU/aqpQEckd3D4/w993-h518-no/hyperbole.jpg

[TJones]

As Fish porn Friday .:party:.Whats the verdict ? Is he gonna use him? :confused:

[RK]

BUMP:D

[Mobyfish]

So when and where is fish porn Friday?

[janines.fishtales@cox.net]

I've missed you guys...

J

[dmrides]

I woke up this morning and decided that I am going to learn to fly helicopters. I am not going to hire an instructor, or talk to anyone who has flown a helicopter, or even read anything about helicopters on the internet. I am just gonna head on down to the airport, steal a helicopter and give it a go. What do you guys think?

To me, it doesn't matter who you are, or what side of this debate you are on. The fact is that everyone has had a mentor, coach, advisor or guide of some kind at some level. I could care less how someone caught their trophy, whether it was on their own, or whether someone told them to "drop this, right here". The only thing that matters is the size of their stoke when they smile for the camera. The fish is not the trophy, the stoke is.

Go fish. Hire a guide, don't hire a guide, I don't care. Just be sure to post a picture of your stoke. Tight lines...

[Lipripper92592]

I woke up this morning and decided that I am going to learn to fly helicopters. I am not going to hire an instructor, or talk to anyone who has flown a helicopter, or even read anything about helicopters on the internet. I am just gonna head on down to the airport, steal a helicopter and give it a go. What do you guys think?

To me, it doesn't matter who you are, or what side of this debate you are on. The fact is that everyone has had a mentor, coach, advisor or guide of some kind at some level. I could care less how someone caught their trophy, whether it was on their own, or whether someone told them to "drop this, right here". The only thing that matters is the size of their stoke when they smile for the camera. The fish is not the trophy, the stoke is.

Go fish. Hire a guide, don't hire a guide, I don't care. Just be sure to post a picture of your stoke. Tight lines...

Yeah...I couldn't agree with you more, this is what happened to me;);)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwwKoz8Diw

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Oh good lord. Who f#$cking cares? To each his own. Now quit bitching and go fishing !

Guide or no guide, 2015 is starting pretty epic!

Git er dun boys!

[Nic D]

Dark Horse is a guide?

[TheBentRod]

MakoRoberto...if you've given up stateside fishing...find "the book"...you know which one I'm talking about and pass me your Pt Loma Sculpin numbers pal. Jim


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[momo fish]

Saw you out there Stan.. To bad about the winds...

[RK]

bump

[lambadmin]

:D

It may not work any more