LJ Parking FYI

[Dan]

From a San Diego chapter Surfrider Foundation email...I'm not sure they're taking a side on this issue, but I'm going to try and show up and see what the deal is.

La Jolla Paid Parking - On September 19th the La Jolla Community Parking Advisory Board approved a one-year test program aimed at reducing parking congestion in several high use coastal areas through parking meters and other time restricted spots, and preferential permits for residents and guests. The areas to be targeted are the Bird Rock business district, the Village, La Jolla Shores, and La Jolla Farms (Black's). The plan will be revised over the next month and submitted to the City Council in November. The next meeting is this Wednesday the 17th at 9am at the Atheneum, 1008 Wall Street in La Jolla 92037. Come on out and let them know what you think.

[wavster]

It won't be a test program. Once they start collecting fees, there's no going
back to free parking.

[esdees]

That was nice of them to schedule the meeting at a convenient time for everyone.

[FISHIONADO]

This meeting was just canceled because they didn't notify the public properly. I reviewed the plan, it didn't look like it included 2-hour parking limits at La Jolla Shores for the 1-year trial, yet. Dave

[Holy Mackerel]

Does anyone have a contact email, or phone # to someone in charge for us to voice our concern about this? If we cannot be there in person, we can at least send our viewpoint... Esp if the meeting is held M-F during business hours...

Thanks for putting this info out there... We are so lucky to have La Jolla free in the midst of a big city. :party:

[Dan]

good info, thanks Dave. saves me a trip for now.

[FISHIONADO]

Does anyone have a contact email, or phone # to someone in charge for us to voice our concern about this? If we cannot be there in person, we can at least send our viewpoint... Esp if the meeting is held M-F during business hours...

Send comments on the Parking District Advisory Board's "Proposed Pilot Parking Program (attached) to:
Peter Wagener, LJCPDAB
c/o Promote La Jolla
1150 Silverado Street
La Jolla , CA 92037
Or parking@lajollabythesea.com
NOTE: Public comment is due by November 2nd.
Please copy the following groups or individuals as well:

La Jolla Town Council
lajollatowncncl@san.rr.com (lajollatowncncl@san.rr.com) or La Jolla Town Council, 7734 Herschel Street, Suite F, La Jolla, CA 92037.

La Jolla Shores Association
LJSA@san.rr.com or LJSA, P.O. Box 64, La Jolla, CA 92038

Council District One
ScottPeters@sandiego.gov (ScottPeters@sandiego.gov) and ksweeney@sandiego.gov

La Jolla Village News, the email address is: ljvn@sdnews.com (ljvn@sdnews.com) - put attn: Anne Terhune in the subject box.

La Jolla Light, send them to Dave Schwab at: daves@lajollalight.com

[wavster]

This meeting was just canceled because they didn't notify the public properly. I reviewed the plan, it didn't look like it included 2-hour parking limits at La Jolla Shores for the 1-year trial, yet. Dave

Dave, I looked at the plan and didn't see anything mentioned for La Jolla shores
either, but that I'm not sure that doesn't mean that it's not included.

I was planning to attend, but it would be nice to know that we can voice our opinions.
I'm not sure if this is a public opinion meeting or a "just sit there and listen to
what we have to say" type of meeting.

For those interested, here's a link to the La Jolla Community perspective on the
matter. http://www.lajollabythesea.com/docs/parking/

Politically, it will take some due diligence to find out who really stands to
win (politically). Conflict and special interest could invalidate this proposal.

We all know no matter what or how they charge for parking, it doesn't increase
the number of parking spaces or alleviate the parking problem. It's a farce.
This requires looking into existing law to see if there's an angle that can be
litigated, such as public access laws, misappropriation of tax dollars, etc.

If anyone hears any more info on this, I suggest posting it so that we can
voice our concerns. It appears that their next meeting is in November, but
that may have changed due to the cancellation of today's meeting.

[Holy Mackerel]

Thanks Dave!!!

Is there anyone out there, who is savvy and can write an online petition with appropriate, diplomatic language?

http://www.petitionspot.com/

It will be easier for all of us to send our concerns.... Who knows if it will help, but it is better than doing nothing....

Do you want to see this poor :yt: grow old, and never get caught!!!!

Edit> I agree, I don't see how meters alleviate traffic, and congestion, we will just have to pay for spots now... BS!

[lamb]

I'm confused by all these web sites...

Is this what they're proposing?

The time limit would suck for us.

http://lajollacpa.org/parkplan.pdf

[FISHIONADO]

For those interested, here's a link to the La Jolla Community perspective on the matter. http://www.lajollabythesea.com/docs/parking/ (http://www.lajollabythesea.com/docs/parking/)

That is not the community position, that is an org sponsored by local businesses. The community has been opposed overwhelmingly to parking limits and meters for years, we have pushed back every proposal the 10 years I have been following the issue. This is not an attempt to pull in parking revenue, this issue is driven by businesses in La Jolla that can't get enough customers because of no available parking. I recognize the dilemma for the businesses, there probably needs to be some compromise. I don't want to lose places like OEX, El Charro, Jeff's Burgers because they can't get enough customers. But don't mess with my kayak or surf session parking.

[wavster]

That is not the community position, that is an org sponsored by local businesses. The community has been opposed overwhelmingly to parking limits and meters for years, we have pushed back every proposal the 10 years I have been following the issue...

Dave, Thanks for your view (as a resident). Chris, unfortunately, I don't think a petition
is going to be enough to stop this. I think a a legal blockade is the only way.
Unfortunately, that takes a lot of time and effort, but definitely worth the fight.

[JohnOEX]

Morning everybody, thought I'd chime in here and get involved in the paid parking discussion, as I've been involved in many discussions in relation to the parking issue in and around La Jolla Shores recently. By the way, I'm John and I'm partners with Brent over at OEX. I'm responsible for the dive end of our organization and also I'm better looking. Also, I've been a Board Member of the La Jolla Shores Association and other community groups in La Jolla for a number of years now.

The paid parking issue is a complex one. It is supported by some, and opposed by others. Would it help or hurt businesses in the Shores? I'm not sure, but I do know I don't like the idea. I would suggest those that feel strongly about this issue to get involved. Learn the facts, attend meetings and send letters. I can tell you the Parking Committee probably does not read this forum so I would encourage active participation if this is an issue you feel strongly about.

I understand that attending meetings and taking time out of your busy day can be a drag but it does make a difference. It's important to remember that somebody will be voicing his/her opinion on the subject, it might as well be you. Thanks, good luck out there!

[dgax65]

Did they put some sort of public notice that they were canceling the meeting today? I didn't see anything on the website. It sucks spending that much time in traffic to get there only to find out that the place is empty.:mad:

[lamb]

Hmm, that's lame.

Doug thanks for trying. :luxhello:

Pretty John, welcome on board.

[JohnOEX]

Wish I would've thought of PrettyJohn as a user name first, Adi. Oh well. As for the Parking Meeting cancellation, it was due to the fact that they didn't post an agenda prior to 72 hours of the scheduled meeting, which by rule means they need to postpone. No word on a reschedule but if I hear of anything, I'll pass it along...

[Handymansd]

Dave or Dave, where can I get a copy of the proposal / plan? If I have a hard copy, I can see if I can persuade my wife to take a look at it. She is always pretty busy, but as some of us know, she is also a pretty savy litigation lawyer that may just see a way to slow or stop this beast; You never know... and it would be great if I could do something more than just sit and complain about my inconveniences to the advisory board....;)

[JohnOEX]

I copied and pasted the following from an email I just received. If anybody would like me to forward the attachments, shoot me an email at john@oexcalifornia.com and I'll pass it along.

Dear Interested Parties:

The La Jolla Community Parking District Advisory Board will be holding a public meeting on Wednesday, October 24th, 2007 at the Hotel Parisi ( 1111 Prospect Street in downtown La Jolla ) in the downstairs meeting room. The attached agenda will be posted at the La Jolla Visitor Center at 7966 Herschel Avenue.

Attached please find:
Agenda
Framework
Proposed Pilot Parking Program for La Jolla (with annotations).

Additionally: Please note that the following public meetings will also be considering the LJCPD Plan. Therefore if you are unable to attend Wednesday, there are many other opportunities to join the dialogue.

Wednesday, October 24 at 3:00pm at the Recreation Center –Promote La Jolla Special Board Meeting
Thursday, October 25 at 4:00pm at the Recreation Center-Joint Traffic and Transportation Meeting (LJTC, LJSA, BRCC, PLJ, CPA are represented)
Thursday, November 1 at 6:30 pm at the Recreation Center, the LJ Community Planning Association Meeting.

[JohnOEX]

The following is a copy of an email just sent to me in regards to paid parking in La Jolla. Feel free to pass it along. John



Dear Neighbors,

A group of community members who have been active in community issues, has
started an email list to keep people informed on the parking situation in
the Village.

Parking is again becoming a hot-button issue. One group associated with the
Parking Board is vying to install paid parking meters, while other groups
oppose this move, including many Village businesses, La Jolla residents who
live near or shop in the Village, and coastal access advocates.

If you would like to join this email list, please contact Darcy Ashley at
darcys01@hotmail.com

Here is the message sent by Darcy Ashley:

Friends & Neighbors,

A network is needed to coordinate efforts on parking in La Jolla. We are
organizing a parking email list for community members to join.

This will be tailored to people who are concerned about the impact of "paid
on-street parking," which the Parking Board calls the "framework" or "Pilot
Plan."

The community needs a clearing house for information & a system for
reminders and up-to-date information and a forum to seek alternatives.

If you would like to participate in this email list, please let me know by
e-mailing me at darcys01@hotmail.com .

Volunteers are also needed to deliver flyers, put together mailings, collect
petition signatures, write letters to the editor and attend meetings. If
you are able to help with any of these things, let me know this also.

Please forward this to friends you think would be interested!

[Dan]

Thanks for the info - good to see an organized opposition.

[JohnOEX]

More info sent to me via email:


Dear Friends & Neighbors,

This is going to be an active time for parking issues over the next few
weeks! There are several important parking-related events on the calendar
and we have some important information to update you on.

New Website:
We are in the midst of getting organized as a community and have created a
website that will have more information as it is available. Please go to:

http://www.nopaidparking.org/

If you have information to contribute to the website, please let us know.

New e-mail address:
We have a new email address : FreeLJ@NoPaidParking.org
If you send comments to the Parking Board or letters to the newspapers,
please copy us too!

This will serve as a clearing house for information on Parking issues. If
you hear about something that you think we should know about, or are
planning an activity that you would like to share, please email this
address.

Important groups and members:
A short description of the groups & members are listed at the bottom of
this
email for those that may not be familiar with them.

Upcoming dates-

Wednesday, October 31- La Jolla Community Parking District Advisory Board
(LJCPDAB)
They are taking public comments at this meeting. If you are going to
present something at the meeting, submit it in writing too!
Time: 9am
Location: Hotel Parisi- 1111 Prospect

Thursday, November 1- La Jolla Community Planning Association (LJCPA)
http://www.lajollacpa.org/ljcpa110107agenda.pdf
(If you are a member of CPA- please come at 6pm to vote on the bylaws! A
quorum is needed!)
Time Certain: 7:30 pm
Location: 615 Prospect.

Friday, November 2- Public comment period closes. The LJCDPAB will use the
time between this date & November 14th to make adjustments to the Pilot
Plan
based on community input. What the working arrangement for this is and who
will do the work have not been announced. The designated address for
comments is: parking@lajollabythesea.com

Friday, November 2- Free La Jolla Party
This is an organizing meeting for those opposed to Paid on-street parking.
Time: 6:30pm
Location: Warwicks - 7812 Girard.
RSVP: To Nancy Warwick at nancywarwick@yahoo.com or leave a message at
858.454.0347

Tuesday, November 6- Bird Rock Community Council Monthly meeting.
Parking is on the agenda for this meeting. See the events calendar at
www.birdrock.org (http://www.birdrock.org)
Time: 6:30pm
Location: Bird Rock Elementary School Auditorium- 5371 La Jolla Hermosa

Wednesday, November 14- La Jolla Parking Advisory Board meeting
They will be voting on the Pilot Parking Plan at this meeting. This is the
meeting that counts. They are the group that has the official status to
make a recommendation to City Council to get the program implemented.
In terms of public review- they may be presenting a new version of the
Pilot
Plan at this meeting. At least this is what would be expected, if there
was
incorporation of public comments! As of today, there is no schedule for
having this new pilot plan reviewed publicly, by either individuals or
community groups.
Time: 9am
Location: Hotel Parisi 1111 Prospect

San Diego City Council is the next step. The La Jolla Parking Advisory
Board
will ask Scott Peters for the item to be placed on the docket at City
Council. Date to be announced.

Please participate as much as you can!
Darcy


Further information on the Parking Board & Promote La Jolla:
http://www.lajollabythesea.com/membersonly/committees.php
>From this link, you can locate a number of documents on Promote La Jolla and
the Parking Board
To read the parking plan:
http://www.lajollabythesea.com/docs/parking/

The La Jolla Community Parking District Advisory Board (LJCPDAB) is
comprised of 9 members from Community organizations & at large members,
plus alternates. Initially the group was appointed by Councilman Scott
Peters. One of the issues that is yet to be resolved, is that there has
been a longstanding desire by the community, for the members of this board
to disclose business/financial activity that pertains to parking issues and
decisions made by this board.



Parking Board Members-
1. Peter Wagener- Chair of the Parking Board, VP PLJ*, owner of Hotel
Parisi
(where the meetings are held.) PLJ* appointee.
2. Martin Mosier- Vice Chair of the Parking Board. Village business name
unknown. PLJ* appointee. Is on the City of San Diego Parking Advisory
Board, which is a Mayoral appointment, confirmed by City Council. He
represents District 1 on that Board.
3. Reza Ghasemi- Sec. PLJ*. Owns La Jolla Rugs. PLJ* appointee.
4. Paul Metcalf- Bird Rock Community Council appointee.
5. Marty McGee- La Jolla Community Planning Association appointee.
6. Ken King- La Jolla Shores Association appointee.
7. Ray Weiss- La Jolla Town Council appointee
8. Mark Evans- at large resident- appointed by Scott Peters & re-elected by
the Parking Board in May 2007. He is the author of the Parking plans with
input from Martin Mosier.
9. Michael Harth- at large business representative- appointed by Scott
Peters & re-elected by the Parking Board May 2007. He is the operator of
Sunset Parking. He resigned at the September meeting. His seat is
currently vacant.

Alternates:
Darcy Ashley: La Jolla Community Planning Association
Tom Brady: La Jolla Town Council
Jim Heaton: La Jolla Shores Association
Patrick Ryan: Bird Rock Community Council

*Promote La Jolla. PLJ had a meeting for its membership to discuss parking
issues (the Pilot Plan is located primarily in the business district that
PLJ represents) on October 24th that was canceled due to the fires. To my
knowledge, it has not been rescheduled. Additionally, there is a PLJ
regular meeting scheduled for November 14th at 3pm at La Valencia. Please
check their website for further information about PLJ meetings.)

Further information on Community Groups:

Bird Rock Community Council- A volunteer community organization located in
Bird Rock. President: Chuck Patton. www.birdrock.org (http://www.birdrock.org)
La Jolla Community Planning Association- the City designated Planning group
in La Jolla for Land Use issues. All members are volunteers. President:
Tim
Golba. www.lajollacpa.org (http://www.lajollacpa.org)
La Jolla Shores Association- A volunteer community organization located in
La Jolla Shores. President: Sherri Lightner. www.lajollaguide.com/ljsa (http://www.lajollaguide.com/ljsa)
La Jolla Town Council- A volunteer community organization for all of La
Jolla. The organization is over 50 years old. President: Anne Cleveland.
www.lajollatowncouncil.com (http://www.lajollatowncouncil.com)

Promote La Jolla- The organization that has the city contracts to
administer
both the Parking District and the Business Improvement District (BID.) For
the BID, La Jolla Village Businesses pay a fee on their business licenses
each year to fund the BID. Promote La Jolla has an Executive Director,
which is a paid position. The Board members are volunteers. It is 20
years
old this year. President: Deborah Marengo. www.lajollabythesea.com (http://www.lajollabythesea.com)

Other addresses & information that you may need:
City Council District 1 representative, Scott Peters:
ScottPeters@sandiego.gov
La Jolla Village News: ljvn@sdnews.com - attn: Anne Terhune
La Jolla Light: daves@lajollalight.com attn: Dave Schwab