Does everyone pedal?

[Harry Hill]

Does everyone pedal their kayaks now or are there still paddlers.

[MrPatrick]

Trident 15 and Mini-x's for me.


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[HobieScot]

There are still a bunch of guys that paddle their kayaks but it does seem that there are more hobie owners on this site that use the mirage drive

Myself included. The only time I've paddled a kayak was when we rented a tandem kayak in Hawaii and I hated every minute of it. But that is because I am not proficient at using a paddle.


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[Dannowar]

Paddler

[sharjak]

Does everyone pedal their kayaks now or are there still paddlers.


Yes.

[LSmoot]

Does everyone pedal their kayaks now or are there still paddlers.

No.

Hobie Quest 13. :paddleersmilie:

[Harry Hill]

I'm paddling now but I watched a guy cruising the lake the other day on a Hobie. The biggest problem I had was a quartering wind from the back that kept blowing me to the left even though I was paddling with only the left paddle just to keep moving straight. I could see where a rudder would help with that but I'm not into this yet enough to pop for $1300 or more, so it looks like I will paddle a couple of hundred more miles .

[HELLSTER INC.]

Paddle a Jackson Cuda and peddle a PA14, I like having the option depending on where I go.

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[Harry Hill]

which is best at LJ? I have an Ascent FS12T, sit on top, will that work okay for getting past the surf. I've been paddling about 5 hours a session but I'm still new to kayaks.

[King Saba]

Stealth 12 and a Sierra when I'm bay fishing.

[Dave Legacy]

Pro 2 Tandem paddle yak over here. It's my first kayak after many rented and I didn't want to spend the money on a mirage drive kayak. If you're gonna paddle might as well get a high quality paddle to make it more enjoyable.

[Harry Hill]

who makes the best paddles?

[2-Stix]

seams about 50/50...i had a paddler, now on a peddler. they both have advantages. 75% of the time i prefer the hobie. kelp and backing up is more work on the hobie. and the weight is a bit more most of the time.

[CoastalEddie]

Paddle, Cobra fish n dive, the beast.

[Zed]

"Im going to go ride some waves."
--Said by no boat petaler ever

[Blabelfish]

Trident 13

Werner Shuna

First Kayak and new to this

Already want to pedal. I get jealous of being hands free and it just seems easier.

So the disadvantages are: Not as good in surf, and you have to use the paddle to back up?

[GregAndrew]

"Im going to go ride some waves."
--Said by no boat petaler ever
X2

[summers in kuwait]

I've been in my Revo 13 for about 6 months now and enjoy it. Is it perfect, no.
Does it have advantages, yes. Does it have limitations, yes. Coming from a tarpon 120, I find it a bit more involved and less simplistic, but I still can paddle the revo. Does it paddle as well as my old tarpon 120 or other kayaks that I've paddled, no.

Biggest pros: I can drink beer, eat a sandwich and pedal;)
Once hooked up, I can chase down a fish if needed. I can easily fish areas without using my drift chute, by utilizing the mirage drive.

Biggest cons: Kelp. I can still fish the kelp, but I have to pull some cords! Additional maintenance required with the mirage drive. I miss having storage access right in front of me vs the mirage drive.

Speed wise, I think its a toss up. I have the ST fins, not turbo and can troll no problem and can sprint if needed. Distance isn't an issue. But for those that have a fast hull design and know how to paddle, they can fly.

It's all preference.

[buddha]

Trident 11 only 55 lbs. Werner Camano

I like the lightweight and ease of loading the kayak.

If your paddling technique gets efficient it is very pleasurable.

Easier handling the surf.

I agree with others to try both and decide but don't discount a paddle kayak.

The newer ones are getting better and better with more features also.

[taggermike]

I remember when the mirage drive first came out. They were pretty much universally ridiculed. "Theyre not kayaks, they're for sissies, they'll never catch on, the drive can't be reliable". Those attitudes didn't last long. Then for a while it seamed like most had Hobies. Many times at the launch out of 20 guys I had the only paddle yak. Now I see paddle yaks making a come back. Some times 50/50 at the launch. It might be that back then there were only 3 or so brands of paddle yaks that made fishing yaks, now there are many more. Might be more people are entering the sport and don't want to drop 2-4 k bucks for a yak. I have a hobie, a 13 y/o OK prowler 15, and a equally old Malibu extreme. Use em all n love em. Mike

[jorluivil]

I remember when the mirage drive first came out. They were pretty much universally ridiculed. "Theyre not kayaks, they're for sissies, they'll never catch on, the drive can't be reliable". Those attitudes didn't last long. Then for a while it seamed like most had Hobies. Many times at the launch out of 20 guys I had the only paddle yak. Now I see paddle yaks making a come back. Some times 50/50 at the launch. It might be that back then there were only 3 or so brands of paddle yaks that made fishing yaks, now there are many more. Might be more people are entering the sport and don't want to drop 2-4 k bucks for a yak. I have a hobie, a 13 y/o OK prowler 15, and a equally old Malibu extreme. Use em all n love em. Mike

Total agree with this.

I recall fishing LJ back in 2009 in my OK Prowler and seeing Hobie kayaks peddling around, I was like, those guys are weak!


Less than a year later I had my first Hobie.

[h2ofishfo]

Starting way back in 2006 Malibu and ocean kayaks were king. Prowler 15 and extremes being the ferrari's . Me in a tank of x-factor loved the stability of a starter kayak. Now in a revo the advantages far out way disadvantages. The revo paddles surprisingly well with the block in of course. PA are just to big to paddle and overkill in my opinion unless you 300+ plus pounds

[jorluivil]

Starting way back in 2006 Malibu and ocean kayaks were king. Prowler 15 and extremes being the ferrari's . Me in a tank of x-factor loved the stability of a starter kayak. Now in a revo the advantages far out way disadvantages. The revo paddles surprisingly well with the block in of course. PA are just to big to paddle and overkill in my opinion unless you 300+ plus pounds


Have you ever owned a PA? I know guys that are under 200lbs and own and love PA's.

[fishnfoool]

I used to own an paddle and now I pedal. I will never go back to paddling.
There is a guy on this site who works at OEX, I always see him on a pedal. Think about that, he has all the choice in the world on kayaks and he chooses to pedal. HMMM?

[easyday]

I've pedaled and paddled. I like paddling, no right or wrong way.

[BigTunaL]

Paddler - Jackson big tuna.


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[FISH11]

To each his own, as they say! Personally I like paddling because it give me they exercise I don't otherwise get, and I like the maneuverability. I think a pedal kayak could be good, if you also learn or know how to paddle. Too many guys in hobies don't have a clue how to paddle. Being able to use a paddle (and not that POS hobie paddle) is a great advantage to getting through the surf or moving faster especially against the current and wind. The biggest negative about hobies, is the ridiculous prices for the kayaks and especially all the accessories. Most are the same as other brands, but put that H on it and it's 75% more.

[Amish Ed]

Paddler here. 14' native. To pedal is out of my price range.

[ctfphoto]

Paddled a tarpon for 4 years.

Bought a 2015 Hobie Outback 6 months ago.

I will never paddle again as the Hobie has soooooo many advantages and one disadvantage :eek:

[GregAndrew]

Paddled a tarpon for 4 years.

Bought a 2015 Hobie Outback 6 months ago.

I will never paddle again as the Hobie has soooooo many advantages and one disadvantage :eek:

Which "one" is the disadvantage? Is it the surf launching or the surf landing (those are 2 separate events on each outing)? Or is it fishing in the kelp or just crossing over it? Or maybe it is stopping quickly or going in reverse? Or maybe storge capacity limitations? Or possibly the weight? They are great boats for sure, but don't be blinded because you only fish LJ for fish outside the kelpline (unless that is all the OP is interested in). Funny how each time this question comes up, it turns into a bipolar exaggeration fest. One thing is for sure, when I have a beer can surgically attached to one of my hands I am getting a Hobie.

[Iceman]

There is a guy on this site who works at OEX, I always see him on a pedal. Think about that, he has all the choice in the world on kayaks and he chooses to pedal. HMMM?

That guy just got lazy.....and old .........and jacked up his shoulders :D

[Jimmyz123]

I still paddle.

[chris138]

I can paddle my Ikelos as hard as I possibly can, for as long as I can. It will barely even flex. I would be hesitant to jam on the mirage drive at full power for a long time. They're robust, but an all out sprint really increases the chance of damaging the drive.

Lots of drag, too expensive, too heavy, can't surf for shit... If you want to spend 5 grand on a boat you can shore launch and can't lift, you could buy a Livingston. Then you can drink all the beer you want, and bring a bikini babe with you!

[ctfphoto]

The one disadvantage is the landing. Going out is always easy in anything.

I no longer fish the kelp. I do however want to (learn to, ;)) fish WSB in the kelp, so pull the drive and paddle, no biggie.

[kjsdad619]

which is best at LJ? I have an Ascent FS12T, sit on top, will that work okay for getting past the surf. I've been paddling about 5 hours a session but I'm still new to kayaks.

I would say Hobie. I have the 2015 Pro Angler 14 and I have done a 9 mile round trip and it was easy and I wasn't even tired. Plus hooking up with a YT, I would say is easier in a Hobie because it is basically hands free..you would only use your hand to adjust the rudder.

[jorluivil]

Saying that paddling is better than pedaling (or vice versa) is like saying that it's wrong to jerk off with your left hand if you're right handed, both get the job done.........right?

[YakDout]

You can paddle a hobie if you want, but you can't pedal a malibu if you want...

[Gunner58]

I love my trident 13 but I do have to admit I am a little jealous of the guys that are just cruseing around peddling. I can however out run a hobie in my trident, that being said I am a little tired after. But for the price tag of a Hobie I will stick with my trident.

[Harry Hill]

Okay, I wasn't asking to start a war. I have to paddle right now, to pedal isn't in my budget. I was just trying to get the lay of the land. What kind of paddles do the paddlers use? Is there a brand or model that most like better? I'm using a 240 cm from Bass Pro but I'm sure it's not optimal. Any help will be appreciated

[yak-fishing-socal]

I'm a paddler for life Have a had a bunch of different yaks and tried a hobie or two just can't get into the Mirage Drive and now with the higher seats I really don't like them they just seem so top heavy to me now,maybe because I'm top heavy.. 😄

I'm on a Ocean Kayak trident 15 with a aqua bound carbon paddle. Love the weight the kayak can hold and the speed. one day I'll upgrade to the ocean kayak trident ultra 4.7

Ps always looking for paddling kayak fishermen to hit the water with

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[TJones]

Saying that paddling is better than pedaling (or vice versa) is like saying that it's wrong to jerk off with your left hand if you're right handed, both get the job done.........right?

If you are lucky , it take both to tango. :grouphug:

[socal.beach.bum]

Question for all the paddlers with rudder systems. How beneficial do you find the rudders?

[Cadillyak]

Have you ever owned a PA? I know guys that are under 200lbs and own and love PA's.

I'm 175lbs and love my PA12. I started off lazy. :D

[h2ofishfo]

Have you ever owned a PA? I know guys that are under 200lbs and own and love PA's.no but have peddled one on more than a few occasions. Room is nice but is not really needed .know PA owners that want a smaller one way way easier to transport in smaller launch points can put a revo over my head with ease nobody can say that about at PA unless your Lou ferrigno

[Harry Hill]

If you are willing to go fishing with a greenhorn I would like to go with someone who knows what they are doing so I can learn.

[Bert Vega]

no but have peddled one on more than a few occasions. Room is nice but is not really needed .know PA owners that want a smaller one way way easier to transport in smaller launch points can put a revo over my head with ease nobody can say that about at PA unless your Lou ferrigno


Or Bert Vega :D

I like the room and at my height and weight a revo just wouldnt work for me. Outback was pushing it. PA12 why not just get a 14? Been out 10 miles and done 30 miles in a day. It was tuff but could do it back to back days and I am not a spring chicken.

[chris138]

Question for all the paddlers with rudder systems. How beneficial do you find the rudders?

Rudder is essential for some hulls, and not necessary for some. For long distance offshore paddling it is extremely beneficial. Many hulls will "broach" when they get going too fast on a swell which means they want to turn sideways. It can be very difficult to go diagonally downswell. Do you find yourself needing to paddle repeatedly on one side when you're going down wind?

[h2ofishfo]

Or Bert Vega :D

I like the room and at my height and weight a revo just wouldnt work for me. Outback was pushing it. PA12 why not just get a 14? Been out 10 miles and done 30 miles in a day. It was tuff but could do it back to back days and I am not a spring chicken.215#here and the revo suits me just fine the nose of the revo cuts really well through big swell unlike the PA been side to side with buddy's on those 15 mile round trips the PA does keep up well but at trolling speed who cares

[Harry Hill]

Rudder is essential for some hulls, and not necessary for some. For long distance offshore paddling it is extremely beneficial. Many hulls will "broach" when they get going too fast on a swell which means they want to turn sideways. It can be very difficult to go diagonally downswell. Do you find yourself needing to paddle repeatedly on one side when you're going down wind?

Do they make add on rudders for some yaks, since you can't use a hand tiller when paddling you would have to have foot rudders with cables going back to the rudder for steering. I could see where that would help after fighting a following quartering wind the other day

[socal.beach.bum]

Rudder is essential for some hulls, and not necessary for some. For long distance offshore paddling it is extremely beneficial. Many hulls will "broach" when they get going too fast on a swell which means they want to turn sideways. It can be very difficult to go diagonally downswell. Do you find yourself needing to paddle repeatedly on one side when you're going down wind?


I'm a peddler (Revolution) but thinking about picking up a 15' trident for surf launches. Just curious about the rudder system.

[Bert Vega]

215#here and the revo suits me just fine the nose of the revo cuts really well through big swell unlike the PA been side to side with buddy's on those 15 mile round trips the PA does keep up well but at trolling speed who cares

The revo are super nice and fast. Just not the yak for me. My PA is a aircraft carrier compared to it. I am heavier then 215#. The revo 350# capacity didn't give me a confident feeling with bait tank, gear and a few blue gill. Would have me right at or over that mark. I not to concerned with speed. We are in yaks after all.

[ironcross6921]

I owned a Revo 13 shortly and while quick and fun, its just not made for someone my size I'm 6'5" and 220lbs. I now own two PA14s and while not the speed demons the Revo was I have done plenty of 20+ mile days back to back with no issues. (Disclaimer) yes I do trailer my PA14s now but just for the ease of leaving it fully rigged and ready to go at a moments notice, before that I would put in in the back of my pickup with ease by myself so although its not a lightweight I don't think its to much weight for a single person in reasonable good shape.

[makobob]

Does everyone pedal their kayaks now or are there still paddlers.

No not everyone pedals, but ALL of us piddle!

[chris138]

I'm a peddler (Revolution) but thinking about picking up a 15' trident for surf launches. Just curious about the rudder system.

I've never paddled a trident, but just from having a prowler i think a rudder would be really good to have. You can always pull it up if you you're not going far or playing in shallow surf.

That's right, you can actually play and have fun in the surf... side slips, cut backs, pulling out the back, you can even get barreled like this :kayak-surfer:

[Blabelfish]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but my trident 13 doesn't seem like something I'd want to "play" in the surf with and as I understand it, it's one of the better boats for the waves. This is coming from an experienced surfer too.

[Hunters Pa]

Have you ever owned a PA? I know guys that are under 200lbs and own and love PA's.


I'm 150 lbs and love my PA. Also love my scrambler for quick after-work harbor runs and my Trident 15 for surf launch & landings

[yak-fishing-socal]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but my trident 13 doesn't seem like something I'd want to "play" in the surf with and as I understand it, it's one of the better boats for the waves. This is coming from an experienced surfer too.
Really I love surfing my yaks in some nice surf. San O is one of my favorite spots for it too,
Of course all my gear is back on the beach or below deck before I start 🏄

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[Fomen]

Since we're on this topic of paddle vs pedal, is there anyone that does both simultaneously? I've never tried it (because I just recently purchased my PA12), but I was wondering if you kept the rudder up, and you paddled and pedaled simultaneously, what would the outcome be? Obviously, an increase in speed would be a byproduct, but what about longevity? Do you think you could get to locations farther out offshore? Do you think it would help maintain stamina, or exhaust you faster? Do you think you could do both without the kayak tracking to one side or the other? Just curious if any of you guys that own a kayak with a mirage drive has ever tried this?

[makobob]

Since we're on this topic of paddle vs pedal, is there anyone that does both simultaneously? I've never tried it (because I just recently purchased my PA12), but I was wondering if you kept the rudder up, and you paddled and pedaled simultaneously, what would the outcome be? Obviously, an increase in speed would be a byproduct, but what about longevity? Do you think you could get to locations farther out offshore? Do you think it would help maintain stamina, or exhaust you faster? Do you think you could do both without the kayak tracking to one side or the other? Just curious if any of you guys that own a kayak with a mirage drive has ever tried this?

LOOK at CWC new video posted today, Wade is doing both at the same time and at a pretty good clip with his wife aboard.

[kayachapi]

Since we're on this topic of paddle vs pedal, is there anyone that does both simultaneously? I've never tried it (because I just recently purchased my PA12), but I was wondering if you kept the rudder up, and you paddled and pedaled simultaneously, what would the outcome be? Obviously, an increase in speed would be a byproduct, but what about longevity? Do you think you could get to locations farther out offshore? Do you think it would help maintain stamina, or exhaust you faster? Do you think you could do both without the kayak tracking to one side or the other? Just curious if any of you guys that own a kayak with a mirage drive has ever tried this?

Coming back from fishing Cabrillo Harbor, the wind and chop was so strong I had to do both in my outback. (standard drive) It was exhausting, but was the only way to make any headway. About 3/4 of a mile. If I stopped I would get pushed back. Not fun.

[Fomen]

LOOK at CWC new video posted today, Wade is doing both at the same time and at a pretty good clip with his wife aboard.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is CWC?

[makobob]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is CWC?

Go to Fishing posts on this site the #2 post is titled NO SEA LIONS IN SIGHT by C.W.C. Check it out

[chris138]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but my trident 13 doesn't seem like something I'd want to "play" in the surf with and as I understand it, it's one of the better boats for the waves. This is coming from an experienced surfer too.

After a fishing trip one day.... Unpack all your gear except paddle and seat. Strip down to your boardies, and let her rip. You'd be shocked at the waves you can make. Dog-patch is perfect for kayak surfing. Turmo is good too. Most important is learning to brace properly.

[yak-fishing-socal]

After a fishing trip one day.... Unpack all your gear except paddle and seat. Strip down to your boardies, and let her rip. You'd be shocked at the waves you can make. Dog-patch is perfect for kayak surfing. Turmo is good too. Most important is learning to brace properly.
It truly is awesome the waves you can get on a kayak

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[GregAndrew]

Nah, you can't surf a Trident 13, but a 15? Check out this from about 1:50 on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNBrSiOSfo8
Just kidding about the 13.

[carbonbass]

don't forget the great upper body workout that comes along with paddling ;) :paddleersmilie:

[jorluivil]

don't forget the great upper body workout that comes along with paddling ;) :paddleersmilie:



Pfssssst

You should see what my legs look like from pedaling, I've been told I have legs of steel

[Cadillyak]

The revo are super nice and fast. Just not the yak for me. My PA is a aircraft carrier compared to it. I am heavier then 215#. The revo 350# capacity didn't give me a confident feeling with bait tank, gear and a few blue gill. Would have me right at or over that mark. I not to concerned with speed. We are in yaks after all.


A few bluegill huh.......

[Bert Vega]

:reel:A few bluegill huh.......

Yep

[alanw]

I think speed makes a big difference. Even a 0.5 mph increase is huge for a yak. Who wants to blow an hour minimum just traveling 3 miles in a slow yak? Add some wind and it can easily be a two hour energy dump.

[Harry Hill]

I think speed makes a big difference. Even a 0.5 mph increase is huge for a yak. Who wants to blow an hour minimum just traveling 3 miles in a slow yak? Add some wind and it can easily be a two hour energy dump.

I'm going to charge my GPS so I can see what kind of speed I'm getting with my yak. Just guessing I'm going about 3 mph but I could be way off. I'm going to Silverwood tomorrow so I will be able to test it.

[HobieScot]

You should be faster on a fresh water lake as compared to the open ocean.

I just took my kayak to a lake last month for the first time and I was shocked at how much faster it was on a calm fresh water lake.

And instead of struggling to stay in one spot over structure like on the ocean I had trouble with overshooting my intended spot

The kayak seemed like it would never come to a stop on fresh water. It felt like I used surf wax on the bottom of the kayak or something

A couple pedals and it just kept gliding and gliding




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[Hunters Pa]

Pfssssst

You should see what my legs look like from pedaling, I've been told I have legs of steel



Steel leader???

[FlyFishinYakr]

I started out paddling but after a major flare-up of my "De Quervain's" syndrome after repeated outings, I realized and confirmed by my Orthopedic Surgeon that paddling was not going to be practical in my future. :( :mad:
So I decided on pedaling (Outback).
FFY :sifone:

[Harry Hill]

I never got my GPS charged and I found out my fish finder doesn't show speed, so no report on how fast I am. I did manage to catch a small striper this morning so it's a fish fry for dinner tonight. Another fisherman clued me in to what the stripers were doing so next week should see a few more in the boat.Paddling was pretty fast this morning on smooth water but when the wind came up it got slower.