Kayaker rescue La Jolla

[bolocop]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/nov/04/kayak-rescue-la-jolla-cove/

5-6 foot swells today...

[momo fish]

Had all the safety equipment needed in case of situation like this but missed the best safety equipment.. Weather report 😳

It's been nasty out the last few days..

[Goose1993]

Half a mile offshore? And they didn't just swim in?

They had to have been farther off...

[Deamon]

Half a mile offshore? And they didn't just swim in? They had to have been farther off...

Kind of a bull shit comment right there. If anything, question their decision to go out but that's it.

Sounds like a tandem. If so, multiply the challenges of two peeps climbing back on in rough water. These people probably had some clothes on, water a bit on the chilly side, winds, lost some gear or had it all hung up and dangling. MUCH BETTER to make the call sooner than later. I'm thinking you probably don't have much experience with LJ's current...

Jim

[ful-rac]

What a hater!

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Small craft advisory today, why would you even go out. There is always another day to go out. We see a lot of people get in trouble because they get out in conditions where they overestimate their abilities and underestimate they power of the ocean.
Good to hear they had on PFD's and had safety gear at least.

[momo fish]

The worst weather and condition I have ever been out in was in LJ (right John & Jemie!!) and the best condition I have ever been out in has been LJ... That should should tell you a lot about LJ and how conditions can change..

That being said, I don't understand why take the risk but I'm sure they had their reasons.. Heck even the rental shops didn't let people out which says a lot..

[ctfphoto]

I rescued two guys and did not make the news :confused:

[Mr. NiceGuy]

Apparently, they are safe. That's the important part.

In the meantime, it's a good lesson for all of us.

Live and learn.

[Harry Hill]

I looked at the cam today and saw whitecaps but I didn't see anyone launch[I[/I], the surf was pretty rough also. Didn't look like a good day to be out in any small craft.

[RK]

Prob heard the yellowtail tuna were running.........

[skrilla]

I wonder if the outcome would be different if they pacticed underwater rock carrying.

[Stuck20]

I looked at the cam today and saw whitecaps but I didn't see anyone launch[I[/I], the surf was pretty rough also. Didn't look like a good day to be out in any small craft.

It was insanely windy today. Today was supposed to be my first LJ trip, but got to the launch and NOPED out. Not worth the risk one bit.

[Phishphood]

Stuck- check out the webcam before you even start loading up and then check wX and cam again before you head out. It'll save some headaches.

Also, wanna hit LJ some time next week?

[Goose1993]

Kind of a bull shit comment right there. If anything, question their decision to go out but that's it.

Sounds like a tandem. If so, multiply the challenges of two peeps climbing back on in rough water. These people probably had some clothes on, water a bit on the chilly side, winds, lost some gear or had it all hung up and dangling. MUCH BETTER to make the call sooner than later. I'm thinking you probably don't have much experience with LJ's current...

Jim

Kind of a bitch comment right there. I'm guessing you're also the kind of person who suggests kayaking in the bay for 6 months before taking your kayak into the ocean to master this activity that is SSOOOO DIFFICULT.

And yes I have tons of experience in la Jolla. I'm sure Ive experienced much stronger currents surfing the cove when it occasionally breaks than when I'm fishing it off of a kayak... Or swimming through churned up water at horseshoe after breaking a leash and having my board go to shore.

[Dannowar]

Kind of a bitch comment right there. I'm guessing you're also the kind of person who suggests kayaking in the bay for 6 months before taking your kayak into the ocean to master this activity that is SSOOOO DIFFICULT.

And yes I have tons of experience in la Jolla. I'm sure Ive experienced much stronger currents surfing the cove when it occasionally breaks than when I'm fishing it off of a kayak... Or swimming through churned up water at horseshoe after breaking a leash and having my board go to shore.

cove is a mushburger. surf blacks or GTFO


edit: also having surfed la jolla my entire life, i dove the outer kelp a month ago and the current was so strong when i got off my kayak i was 30 yards away within seconds. its a lot different in open water guy. You surf horseshoe? thats cool....theres channels on both sides and the inner reef is forgiving as well. you must not fish often if you've never seen so much current that the kelp disappears. its cool though, keep talking like you didn't just pick up a kayak and luck into some yt in the easiest year to catch one in your lifetime.

[Dannowar]

I rescued two guys and did not make the news :confused:



oh and to make the bashing even on all ends.....





we know bro, you've told us multiple times




:cheers1:

[lowprofile]

cove is a mushburger. surf blacks or GTFO


edit: also having surfed la jolla my entire life, i dove the outer kelp a month ago and the current was so strong when i got off my kayak i was 30 yards away within seconds. its a lot different in open water guy. You surf horseshoe? thats cool....theres channels on both sides and the inner reef is forgiving as well. you must not fish often if you've never seen so much current that the kelp disappears. its cool though, keep talking like you didn't just pick up a kayak and luck into some yt in the easiest year to catch one in your lifetime.

Where's the MFKing "like" button! Hahahaha

[tamddo714]

Haha


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[Rufus]

Guys, protect your passwords! It seems that some 12 year old girls have hijacked the thread.

[jorluivil]

.........

[octico]

The worst weather and condition I have ever been out in was in LJ (right John & Jemie!!) and the best condition I have ever been out in has been LJ... That should should tell you a lot about LJ and how conditions can change..

That being said, I don't understand why take the risk but I'm sure they had their reasons.. Heck even the rental shops didn't let people out which says a lot..

Conditions can change from one minute to the next out there. They probably read the reports and thought they would be safe if they stayed close.

Good thing they were prepared.

[jorluivil]

Half a mile offshore? And they didn't just swim in?

They had to have been farther off...


Have you ever had to swim while wearing a PFD? I’ve tried it myself and I can assure you that at best it’s difficult.

[Deamon]

oh

Dannyman,

Can I just buy you a toy plastic kayak that you can hang on your rear view mirror?

That way, you can still claim...and jump into these threads and bitch slap others whether deserved or not. We're going to miss you...

Or wait...are you going to one of those boaters who just have to post their catches on a kayak website???:the_finger::the_finger::the_finger:haha hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

Jim

[Hammerhead_77]

All the flame throwing aside....(fun to watch; slow day)...

The only time I've ever flipped on open water was LJ with a nasty swell and wind going the other way... I had a friend right next to me that time and all was well.

Now I have a radio on my PFD, backup GPS and I carry 12g flares. My PA 14 has a hull full of pool noodles to fill up the empty space. I have USCG and SD Lifeguard dispatch on my phone too...

A mile may not seem that long when you're using a mirage drive, or when you are a skilled surfer, in shape and in a wet suit...but I would have a really hard time battling wave, wind and even a .5 knt current with no fins, a PDF and maybe some clothing. Chances of me swimming back in from a mile off the point in those conditions...not good.

I'd make the call early, before I was totally exhausted. 'Cause I love my life, my wife and my kids wayyyyy more than my pride!

[Goose1993]

cove is a mushburger. surf blacks or GTFO


edit: also having surfed la jolla my entire life, i dove the outer kelp a month ago and the current was so strong when i got off my kayak i was 30 yards away within seconds. its a lot different in open water guy. You surf horseshoe? thats cool....theres channels on both sides and the inner reef is forgiving as well. you must not fish often if you've never seen so much current that the kelp disappears. its cool though, keep talking like you didn't just pick up a kayak and luck into some yt in the easiest year to catch one in your lifetime.

Ya it's a complete mushball. That doesn't mean it doesn't get huge and isn't a day I'll remember for the rest of my life. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we were talking about currents, and a 20 foot day at the cove has wicked currents. Or is reading too difficult for you? Because swimming a half mile sure sounds too difficult... And if you've ever surfed shoe, you'd know that even paddling through the channel is a bitch because of the current that you gotta deal with. It feels like you're going nowhere. And doing it when you break a leash and your board washes in sucks.

And as for fishing, I've been doing it just about every weekend for almost three years. Since I picked it up, it's my favorite thing in the world. I absolutely love the sport. Most of my pelagic fishing is off my boat. I kayak on my central coast trips for lingcod (go once or twice a month nov-dec and apr-may) and for kelp fishing the offseason down here. And even though I fish off my boat for pelagics way more than the yak, I still did it a lot and had a ton of fun.

[OnTheWater123]

HAHA:cheers1:

good to be safe though. :linesnap:

[octico]

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[Old Man in the Sea]

Jim was 100% correct. If you saw the wind and waves yesterday & with the smallcraft warnings those 2 guys should not have gone out at all. Don't be stupid and go out during small craft warnings! They were correct to call on the radio lifeguards if they feared for their lives or safety when they capsized their kayak in those conditions. Let's be happy they are smiling back on shore!!

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Conditions can change from one minute to the next out there. They probably read the reports and thought they would be safe if they stayed close.

Good thing they were prepared.

All the shit slinging aside.

yes conditions can change quickly on the ocean, though not nearly as bad in LJ as many other places I have been.

The fact is there was a small craft warning issued two days before to go through Wednesday. Last I checked a kayak is a small craft.

I just have to say a large percentage of guys who kayak fish in LJ do not have the skill, experience or conditioning to deal with those kinds of conditions. Not saying all but we get a lot of new guys out there that can handle the day to day but when things go south it all goes to hell.

We had something similar happen several years ago. There was a wide open YT bite on one day, so the next day tons of guys showed up to fish. At 4:30 am the wind was already blowing pretty good. I was with my kids, we along with several other friends decided that was not the day to go out. A bunch of other much tougher guys with YT fever all headed out despite the conditions.
Of course later that day on the news was the report that TWELVE guys had to be rescued by the lifeguards boats because they couldn't get back in.

As I mentioned before, there is always another day to go out.
Know your abilities, know the predicted weather, and never underestimate the power of the ocean. We have too many great days out there to risk it on a shitty day.

[summers in kuwait]

I think one thing to remember when posting is that there is a range of experience on this forum and out on the water.

I was born and raised in S.D. and have surfed Blacks, Windansea and Garbage on a 9+ single fin. I also lived in Humboldt County and have launched in some pretty sketchy conditions both in the ocean and fast moving rivers.

That said, I would encourage anyone (newbies and experienced waterpeople) to start off in the bay or calmer waters for whatever time it takes to feel more comfortable and get your bearings. Even a seasoned veteran can get cocky or too drunk/high (if such a thing) and forget that Mother Nature is in charge.

As mentioned, there is always another day. Be safe.

[Goose1993]

Jorluval and hammerhead

Yaa I have swam with a life jacket. It's a pain in the ass. Especially since they probably were wearing clothes and probably salvaged some gear before their kayak went down. Not to mention it was rough waters.

I'm not saying it's not a difficult swim, I'm just saying .5 miles is a really short distance to make a mayday call just to get to the shore. If they felt in danger they made the right call though. I guess I'm just looking at it from my own abilities and views. I'm a strong swimmer and would rather help myself that wait for the coastguard to dispatch from mission bay.

But trust me, if I felt in danger, I would immediately radio in. But I like to trust myself to get myself out of harms way. On my last central coast trip, I was a little over 1 mile offshore on the west end of the kelp at leffingwell landing. I got violently sick. I think food poisoning hit me or I got a rapid acting stomach bug. I was throwing up and got dizzy. I was considering radioing into to the coast guard, but I knew I was only a mile or so from shore and knew I would get anxiety if I waited a couple hours for the coast guard to get me from morro bay. I just powered through the pain and exhaustion and paddled in. Like I said, I like to rely on myself.

[Goose1993]

Ya I'm over arguing on a forum.

It was fun for a while;);)

But knowing the conditions and your abilities is huge. Like I said before, swimming .5 miles in rough water may not be that bad for a lot of people, but a lot of people can't handle it.

And choosing the day to go out on is EXTREMELY important. Big waves on a small/shallow hulled boat or windy, rough conditions on a kayak can be deadly. It's not worth dying out there. Especially when you can just go a couple days later!

[Murray]

It is simple boys. When in doubt, make the call. Had a heart attack several years ago and was too stupid to make the call. Fortunately, God protected me and my heart was not damaged. My new message is, Make the Call. My guess is that most people are like me and are hesitant to make a fuss. Public services are there for a reason. Use them when necessary. No place for pride when you, your family, friends, etc are at risk of losing you.

[momo fish]

I agree as sometimes reports can be iffy so you play it safe and stay close but the reports all had small craft advisory plus heavy winds..

I can understand if conditions change if weather was borderline but it wasn't and that was my concern with the kayaker that had to be rescued. It was a ways of resources and I'm pretty sure even the coastguard was pissed they even had to go out given they should not have been.. I wish they could slap some guys upside the head for bonehead decisions.. 😂

FYI, speaking of rescues where is Jemie??? We need a first hand account..

Conditions can change from one minute to the next out there. They probably read the reports and thought they would be safe if they stayed close.



Good thing they were prepared.

[momo fish]

They probably were further out or could be with the conditions at the time it seemed like miles out. I'm still amazed how bad LJ can get when its bad.. I'll take the worst day at Malibu or Gaviota any day over a bad day at LJ..

As for swimming back in, that's way off to assume they had the ability to do so.. Questioning someone's ability to yours is wrong.. I'm sure you have your limits and if someone questions that you would say they are wrong as well.. Just put yourself in other shoes and not compare your ability to yours..

That's all people are saying.. You can argue or just accept that what you said was wrong..


Half a mile offshore? And they didn't just swim in?

They had to have been farther off...

[Dannowar]

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I guess Jim kicked me off the board. Catch ya kooks later!


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[octico]

I agree as sometimes reports can be iffy so you play it safe and stay close but the reports all had small craft advisory plus heavy winds..

I can understand if conditions change if weather was borderline but it wasn't and that was my concern with the kayaker that had to be rescued. It was a ways of resources and I'm pretty sure even the coastguard was pissed they even had to go out given they should not have been.. I wish they could slap some guys upside the head for bonehead decisions.. 😂

FYI, speaking of rescues where is Jemie??? We need a first hand account..

Jamie bought a boat ....

[RK]

BUMP

[Deamon]

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I guess Jim kicked me off the board. Catch ya kooks later!

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Hold on...hold on...I was just joking. I can't imagine BWE without your...your...your candor" . I'll just have to deal with all of your future pics having fiberglass backgrounds. Not a bromance or a dude crush but...don't leave us! Jim

[ful-rac]

Jim don't worry about Danno retiring....

The great Drake has returned to sing you to sleep every night from now on....:eek: !

[Dannowar]

hey i didn't retire, i sold out.

[Stuck20]

Stuck- check out the webcam before you even start loading up and then check wX and cam again before you head out. It'll save some headaches.

Also, wanna hit LJ some time next week?

Definitely will! I (stupidly) only checked one weather website and it said 5-10mph winds, which I'm used to handling at Dana. Lesson learned.

Weather permitting- I'll try LJ again on Tuesday. It's my only free day next week.

[BigAppa]

Well, I guess I'll pop my posting cherry for this one. First off, I'd like to sincerely thank BWE contributors for all the advice they've given in this forum. From the advice I've picked up here - rigging tips, launching spots, fishing techniques, etc. etc. etc. - I've been able to take a lifelong casual hobby and turn it into a passion. So again, to all those who have shared your knowledge, thank you.

I've been kayak fishing for about a year and a half now, and I've fished all along the Southern California coast, from Gaviota to La Jolla in many different types of conditions. For the last two weeks, I hadn't been able to get out due to family, work, and weather conditions. If I go more than a week off the water, I'm a jittery wreck, obsessively checking BWE, rewatching Youtube videos, checking surf reports, just to feed my addiction a little bit. So when I saw a small window of opportunity this past Tuesday morning, I took it.

I checked the usual reports, showed up at Leo Carrillo, checked the conditions, and launched into easy 1 to 2 footers. The wind was blowing about 8 knots, there were a few white caps, the swells were about 3 to 4 feet. I knew the wind was supposed to pick up later, but I thought it was fishable as long as I'm off by one. I had become pretty comfortable with this place, having launched from there about 50 times or so over the last year and a half, and I had fished in similar conditions. So I started my paddle out.

About a mile offshore, the conditions started to change. That's when the words I've read here many times, and repeated again in this thread by Jim Sammons, occurred to me: "There will be other days to fish." I should have listened to my instincts then and turned around, but I figured I'm almost there. I'll just take a look at the bottom and see what I can find. Of all the advice that have been given on this site, that is one of the most important to me: Remember that there will be other days to fish. I should have listened to it, but I decided to ignore it because I thought I could handle whatever situation arose, and because of this decision, I came as close to losing my life as I ever have.

I finally get to the spot, paddled around a bit looking for marks, and decided screw it, it's getting way too sketchy. I started heading back without making a drop. Instantly, I knew this was going to be trouble. The winds had picked up to what felt like over 25 knots. Swells were about 5-6 feet and breaking at the top, but worst of all, these swells were hitting me from all sides: the very definition of washing machine conditions. I was getting knocked around badly, And I came close to flipping several times. I managed to paddle to about a mile offshore when a series of swells hit me. I lost my balance, and a small wave broadsided me at that exact moment, and I went into the water.

I was wearing a pfd so I bobbed right up, and luckily, the leash on my fishing pole had wrapped around my leg so the kayak didn't get a chance to drift away. This is the part that is the most frightening when I think about this moment: The currents were so strong, I wonder, what if the kayak had drifted away from me? What would have happened? Even though I'm in decent shape, there was no way I could have swum back to shore, not in those conditions. I do always have my vhf radio with gps and dsc with me, so I probably would have been okay, but who the hell knows?

Anyway, thankfully, I was smart enough in at least one respect: I had practiced self-rescuing techniques multiple times in different conditions as per the suggestions on this board. But, in those conditions, it was still a challenge. My first attempt failed. Didn't get high enough. Still not worried. Tried again, got most of my body on board, when a swell came and tipped me over again. Tried a third time, and the same result. Now I'm getting worried. I was clinging to the kayak, in the middle of those swells, and thought about making a Mayday call for the first time ever because I'm getting tired. Really tired. I'm in my forties. I think I'm in pretty good shape for my age, but it's amazing how quickly your energy saps in those conditions. I tried one more time, and I managed to stay on followed by a huge sigh of relief.

It took me another hour to paddle back to shore, almost flipping multiple times along the way bc now I had water in my hull. When I finally pulled my kayak onto the beach, I just sat there for a good thirty minutes, just feeling numb.

I haven't told my family about this. I don't really see the point of worrying them needlessly. I just told a good buddy of mine and now this community. It's actually quite embarrassing talking about this, how stupid I was, but hopefully, other new or relatively new kayak fishermen can take something away from this experience.

So heed the warnings that have been repeated here on multiple occasions about fishing with a buddy (another huge mistake on my part), vhf radio, how overconfidence can kill you, etc. And especially for pig-headed people like me, always remember that there will be other days to fish.

Now, if the conditions look bad from the start, and I have to ask myself, "Should I just wait?" Or if I'm already out on the water and the condition takes a turn for the worse, and I wonder "Should I head back in?" The answer will always be, "Yes."

[ctfphoto]

BigAppa, welcome and great first post, scary stuff.

[cabojohn]

BigAppa-
Thank you for taking the time to share your experience here. Glad your OK and ready to fish again. NO need to be embarrassed. ;)
When shit goes south...it goes quickly! :eek:
Having ALL the right safety equipment and a clear head is priceless!
Knowing when to NOT paddle out is just as important. Glad you got a second chance.
When in doubt...CHICKEN OUT.

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Wow, glad you are ok and Thanks for sharing.

[Murray]

Great post mate. I am sure it will serve its purpose well with all the folks who will be reading it. Thanks again for sharing.

[ctfphoto]

I have only had to chicken out one time, that is, in a canoe on a lake in Canada.

I had my wife and 4 year daughter with me and the wind swells where intense as we got to the launch ramp. Fishing guide after fishing guide came in and one looked at me and then my daughter and said "your not out in that?"
He looked real salty (fresh water guy) and I took his word for it. Packed up and sat it out. Two hours later the lake was glass and we got to go out.

Almost had thunderstorm cells kick me off La Jolla this year, but the weather app told me that I had a window to get a yellow.

Always be safe.

[skrilla]

A dry jittery wreck or wet and shipwrecked... 1st world problems I tell ya. Kayak fishing is a helluva drug.

[YakDout]

Bigappa,

Is a bilge pump something you take with you? Im sure it would hve been difficult to pump your boat out in those conditions because as soon as you start pumping you start drifting further away. But in smaller conditions, bilge pumps can prevent major problems.

[driftwood]

Real nasty conditions off La Jolla right now. Hope nobody got caught in this today. Snotty out there!

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[the dude]

too many good days in socal to fish the bad days.....

[Harry Hill]

too many good days in socal to fish the bad days.....
It's hard to turn around and go home when you've driven 100 miles to a fishing spot, but sometimes you have to

[Batmann]

It's hard to turn around and go home when you've driven 100 miles to a fishing spot, but sometimes you have to

I know that La Jolla seems to be on everyone's mind, but if your looking to salvage a day after driving 100 miles why not drive five more miles south and fish a sheltered part of Mission Bay or San Diego Bay?

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[Harry Hill]

I know that La Jolla seems to be on everyone's mind, but if your looking to salvage a day after driving 100 miles why not drive five more miles south and fish a sheltered part of Mission Bay or San Diego Bay?

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I have to fish the bays until I get a better yak, the Ascend FS12T is not a big water boat, I was taking on water today in a little wind chop, I think surf would try to drown me.

I fished Mission Bay today and did good the spots but I would like to get out and catch some eating fish.

[BigAppa]

Bigappa,

Is a bilge pump something you take with you? Im sure it would hve been difficult to pump your boat out in those conditions because as soon as you start pumping you start drifting further away. But in smaller conditions, bilge pumps can prevent major problems.

Yeah, you're right. That was definitely part of the issue. I always keep a bilge pump, extra paddle, and emergency dry bag in the hull tied to a scupper. This is the first time I've needed any of those things. After I got back in my kayak and organized my gear as best I could, I opened my center hatch to see how much water got in. In my self rescue exercises, I noticed water would always get in the front hatch. Not a lot, maybe a pint or two. But on Tuesday, I don't know if the front hatch straps were loose or the currents were that strong, but there looked to be several gallons sloshing around in there after I righted my kayak.

The main issue was that the currents kept pushing my kayak broadside into the coming swells, into the 5 to 6 footers that were breaking at the top, and I did not want to flip again, but this time, with the center hatch opened. So I decided to forego the bilge pump and try to make it in.

I've thought a lot about the bilge pump issue the last couple days. Whenever I thought about having to use it, I never envisioned that the conditions would be so bad that I wouldn't be able to use it. Well, now I know. There are times when it's too risky, at least for me, to have the center hatch opened to pump the water out. The only solution I'm aware of is to put an electric bilge pump in the hull like some of the sit-inside kayakers have, and with a flip of a switch, pump all the water out through a hole in the side of the kayak. I've been thinking about installing one of those, but I've come to the conclusion that as a person who wants to keep things as simple as possible while I'm out on the water, it's just not for me. I think I'll just have to use better judgment going forward.

[BADASS]

wow that made for good reading. Think before you post.And have a good vhf radio with GPS.

[Tandem Assassin]

I wonder if the outcome would be different if they pacticed underwater rock carrying.

If this had happened on Pacific Warriors someone would of said to get the "F" out of here this is my spot - Now that's a show for PW..

[jorluivil]

It's hard to turn around and go home when you've driven 100 miles to a fishing spot, but sometimes you have to



I did it a few weeks ago


Showed up
Prepared kayak chupacabra for its launch
Got rejected, twice
Broke a cable during launch
Not wanting to fish blind I put my tail between my legs and went home

200 miles round trip.

[lowprofile]

cove is a mushburger. surf blacks or GTFO


edit: also having surfed la jolla my entire life, i dove the outer kelp a month ago and the current was so strong when i got off my kayak i was 30 yards away within seconds. its a lot different in open water guy. You surf horseshoe? thats cool....theres channels on both sides and the inner reef is forgiving as well. you must not fish often if you've never seen so much current that the kelp disappears. its cool though, keep talking like you didn't just pick up a kayak and luck into some yt in the easiest year to catch one in your lifetime.

I wonder how many 2014/15 kayaks will be for sale by mid summer next year. These years are def. good for second hand products. A couple years ago the gulf coast experienced some of the best land based fishing available. Sharks, tarpon and sails. Last year you could take your pick of all the slightly used gear you wanted.

[octico]

I wonder how many 2014/15 kayaks will be for sale by mid summer next year. These years are def. good for second hand products. A couple years ago the gulf coast experienced some of the best land based fishing available. Sharks, tarpon and sails. Last year you could take your pick of all the slightly used gear you wanted.

I was thinking the same thing. I want on quite of a few trips over the summer. I saw a bunch guys with brand new Talicas,Trinidads, Avets etc and they had no clue how to use them. If this summer is as slow as it was a few years ago we should see some great deals on Craigslist.

[lowprofile]

I was thinking the same thing. I want on quite of a few trips over the summer. I saw a bunch guys with brand new Talicas,Trinidads, Avets etc and they had no clue how to use them. If this summer is as slow as it was a few years ago we should see some great deals on Craigslist.

Careful buying lever drags from guys who are clearly new to the game. Often times they don't know how to properly set the presets and can cause damage to the reel. Easy fixes but sometimes you end up paying the same as new in the long run.

[jorluivil]

I was thinking the same thing. I want on quite of a few trips over the summer. I saw a bunch guys with brand new Talicas,Trinidads, Avets etc and they had no clue how to use them. If this summer is as slow as it was a few years ago we should see some great deals on Craigslist.


I can't count the times that tony and I have talked about this. Let's see everyone try and catch a yellow the same time next year when El Niño is gone.

I like to compare this to the guys that bought the Harley Dyna's with the drag bars shortly after the the show Sons of Anarchy became a hit. I recall talking to a Harley mechanic who said they couldn't keep those bikes on the showroom floors long enough for the oil to settle. I'm sure those bikes will be a dime a dozen in another year.

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

You can always check the Torrey Pines Glider port page for real time wind reports before you leave the house. I check it most days before leaving the house. If it is blowing 10mph at 4:30 am I usually go back to bed. I hate the fn wind.
http://w9if.net/cgi-bin/torreywx/wx.pl

[the dude]

or NOAA (the only reliable report IMO) light and variable becoming 10 at noon is what you want. Anything else and stay home.