Launch

[Jimmyz123]

Is this the street right where the sand to the launch and the street meet up?

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/Jimmyz123/Lajolla%20shores_zpsajbzxzvc.jpg

[anchovie]

Yes it is. Wow!!!

[makobob]

Mother Nature ONE
Engineers ZERO


Where is the rebar? What no footing?

[Dave Legacy]

Mother Nature ONE
Engineers ZERO


Where is the rebar? What no footing?

Wow, no kidding. Looks like they poured it straight over the sand.

[makobob]

Whoever signed off on that is probably looking for a new job today.

[MrPatrick]

San Diego city SNAFU!

[Dannowar]

Lol. Can't wait to see the creative launch spots now!!

[GregAndrew]

Whoever signed off on that is probably looking for a new job today.

They have been coming up with wrong solutions for the end of the street for as long as i have been kayaking. I think it is a job requirement.

[Baja_Traveler]

Just saw it on the news, the sink hole also ruptured gas lines running under the street there. The whole thing is tore up and dug out now...

[jorluivil]

Rebar or lack there of is no match for El Niño

[makobob]

Rebar or lack there of is no match for El Niño

Jorge, I cannot agree, this has been a RECURRING problem for YEARS!!!

[dillpick]

I guess the launch will need to be improved,hopefully something good will come of this mess in the end.:toetap05:

[jorluivil]

Jorge, I cannot agree, this has been a RECURRING problem for YEARS!!!


Based on the way the cement sits it shows that regardless of whether or not rebar was installed the underlayment or soil would have still been washed out. Would a installing a footing where the cement meets the beach have work? Possibly.

However, at the end of the day Mother Nature will win.

[kaya_one]

Here's the news report. Bummer.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Storms-Open-Sinkhole-in-La-Jolla/364514981

[maquinapescado]

Based on the way the cement sits it shows that regardless of whether or not rebar was installed the underlayment or soil would have still been washed out. Would a installing a footing where the cement meets the beach have work? Possibly.

However, at the end of the day Mother Nature will win.

True that.....

They could have made it out of rebar and it would matter if there wasn't any footing to support it. They are probably better off not having rebar. It will make the demo easier and faster to rebuild. Maybe if they put 15' of slurry and then poured on top???

[makobob]

If you properly install a foundation/footing and join it to the road with rebar it SHOULD eliminate this problem. What happens when rocks are dumped on a beach? Tie them all together into a solid foundation, pour your rebarred road and it will withstand almost anything.

[jorluivil]

I wouldn't be surprised if the city said, 'screw this road, let's put up a wall all the way across and people can walk their kayaks onto the beach'.

[momo fish]

Kayak tours seems to be a pretty big tourist draw for the area.. Not sure if they would restrict their access by not rebuilding...

This should not stop anyone from going to LJ to fish.. Especially how far some are willing to drive.


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[yakety-yak]

Saw a glimpse of it on world news! I'm thinking a raised concrete berm would keep the sea out. :grouphug:

[YakDout]

Take your wheels, park at the park, and launch right in front. About just as easy, and surf..?? In la jolla??? Ya maybe mavericks, there is no surf in la jolla.


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[Rufus]

If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a box culvert in the desert that got flooded out.

But it's not. Lol!

Thinking back to high school in the late 60s, I think this is the 5th time it's been beat by the weather.

[DanaPT]

I call bs. Must be a hot bite and the lj locals are messing with us.

[FISH11]

Last week after one of the latest King Tides the drop to the sand at the end of the road was 15" to 24" and solid concrete. I guess that it was only that thick at the end for a short distance. Once the waves got under that, it was easy to undermine the street where the concrete is not as thick, as witnessed in the pictures. I think it would be hard to make any kind of end that would not break, unless it was 10' deep into the sand and had multiple footing that deep running a good 50' up the street about 4' apart and then the street on top, with concrete about 20" thick. The answer is "that's not going to happen". They will just fill it in and it will last till the next crazy king tide storm that happen every few years.

[jorluivil]

My cousin Felipe said that him and his two two compadres can have new concrete laid by Sunday, he also said he'd guarantee the work for at 5years.



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[Silbaugh4liberty]

They have been coming up with wrong solutions for the end of the street for as long as i have been kayaking. I think it is a job requirement.

I don't doubt that! Everytime I meet with a City that want's to do some upgrades, after they see the quotes the projects get put on hold! Everyone want's upgrades, but nobody wants to spend the money.

[taggermike]

Pour a couple dump truck loads of sand on top, pack it down, and your good to go. Just repeat after every storm. So the sand starts 40' closer than it used to.
Mike

[FISH11]

Pour a couple dump truck loads of sand on top, pack it down, and your good to go. Just repeat after every storm. So the sand starts 40' closer than it used to.
Mike

That's pretty much how they could fix it and not keep having repeated problems. Just take out the concrete on 1/3 of the block, just keep the side walks and the sand would not get washed away and it would be easier to just regrade the sand after bad storms, because it would not have washed it all away.

[jorluivil]

That's pretty much how they could fix it and not keep having repeated problems. Just take out the concrete on 1/3 of the block, just keep the side walks and the sand would not get washed away and it would be easier to just regrade the sand after bad storms, because it would not have washed it all away.


That will work if this is the smallest storm we're expecting. However, if the storms get any bigger I'm sure it won't be the street they'll have to worry about

[FISH11]

That will work if this is the smallest storm we're expecting. However, if the storms get any bigger I'm sure it won't be the street they'll have to worry about

Than we would be launching from the monument at top of Mount Soledad, then again if the water was that high. It would be Soledad Island we would be visiting or more correctly " Isla Soledad".

[monstahfish]

They ought to build a 4 foot deep concrete footing at the end of the road with a retractable barrier or leave a k-rail on the edge of the road that can be moved into place during a storm. This would make it basically an extension of the sea wall during these events.

[Jimmyz123]

KUSI just showed a live shot of the launch and it's worse than the picture that I posted. Never underestimate the power of the ocean and mother nature.

[igotpron]

Sooooooooooo.?? 4x4 required now?

[Murray]

Sooooooooooo.?? 4x4 required now?

Wheels

[Rambo]

Finally some work in progress by developers.

[Zed]

New strip mall?

[Harry Hill]

Eventually everything yields to the power of water. I worked in the water industry for 30 years and saw it take out giant concrete pours. Just fix it for right now because you can't throw enough money at it to make it last forever.

[igotpron]

Is there any spot you can wheel straight down and avoid steps? If I don't have to drag my pro angler down steps that would be awesome.

[YakDout]

Is there any spot you can wheel straight down and avoid steps? If I don't have to drag my pro angler down steps that would be awesome.


Not anywhere close that I know of


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[maquinapescado]

Is there any spot you can wheel straight down and avoid steps? If I don't have to drag my pro angler down steps that would be awesome.

Bring a piece of plywood for them stairs.......make you a hero.

[igotpron]

Bring a piece of plywood for them stairs.......make you a hero.

I was already thinking the same thing. It's only 3 steps. Or just bring a shovel and make a sand ramp!! Wouldn't take more then a couple minutes to fill the stairs, and no ones going to tell me no at 6am!