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pingpangdang
03-08-2016, 01:11 PM
By no means am I a knot expert but i do know one thing...This not has knot failed me yet. I've bent hooks or snapped top shot and never had this knot fail.

I learned this knot in japan while using varivas shock leader...very popular shock leader in japan....seems more flexible and less stiff than the stuff here.

There maybe another name for this knot but as of now I'm going with the name on the pic.

Mr. NiceGuy
03-08-2016, 03:36 PM
For ease and simplicity, and to pull down into a very small, tight knot that goes through pole eyelets easy, take a look at this one.

It's essentially no thicker than one single fold of the thicker 40#(?) diameter fluorocarbon. All the wraps are made with the thinner diameter braid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP0RZZPBaQ

Darrell
03-08-2016, 03:50 PM
X 2 on the royal polaris knot, AKA John Collins knot. Easy to tie, super small and ive never had a failure with it

TJones
03-08-2016, 03:51 PM
With current ripping like it does at Lj . You will be in Mexico . I use same knot as niceguy. Estimated breaking strength 95% or more .

TJones
03-08-2016, 03:52 PM
X 2 on the royal polaris knot, AKA John Collins knot. Easy to tie, super small and ive never had a failure with it

Is trying make claim to fame . :the_finger:

YakDout
03-08-2016, 04:04 PM
For ease and simplicity, and to pull down into a very small, tight knot that goes through pole eyelets easy, take a look at this one.

It's essentially no thicker than one single fold of the thicker 40#(?) diameter fluorocarbon. All the wraps are made with the thinner diameter braid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP0RZZPBaQ


Yep this is my go to, a great knot. I know it as the improved albright and I do 7 turns up and 7 down. Also when I tighten all I do it wet and pull all four lines. Tags and mains together.


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FullFlavorPike
03-08-2016, 04:34 PM
Nothing wrong with OP's knot if it works for him and he can tie it in a hurry when the fish are biting and the swell is rolling.

Silbaugh4liberty
03-08-2016, 06:27 PM
X 2 on the royal polaris knot, AKA John Collins knot. Easy to tie, super small and ive never had a failure with it

AKA Albright knot, AKA Alberto knot, aka (the badass knot that everyone wants to name after themselves).

pingpangdang
03-08-2016, 07:24 PM
Looks simple, strong and the leader tucks in nice....going to have to try that! Thx

jorluivil
03-08-2016, 07:49 PM
This is my go to knot for flouro or mono to spectra, I have never had the knot fail. I've had 40lb mono/flouro break before my knot.

The knot is extremely easy to do, I can do it on the water at LJ with current ripping and not end up in Mexico but if I do I'll get a chance to visit my uncle Don Felipe


http://www.anglingknots.com/kcarpfishingknots/images/improvedalbright.png

EastLosYaker
03-08-2016, 07:57 PM
Use the "original" Albright/Alberto/RP knot with flouro and it's always held strong, but with mono, it slips. I'll have to try the new and improved version when fishing with mono.

Geno Machino
03-08-2016, 08:11 PM
http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot

I used to use the rest, now I use the best!

jorluivil
03-08-2016, 08:19 PM
Use the "original" Albright/Alberto/RP knot with flouro and it's always held strong, but with mono, it slips. I'll have to try the new and improved version when fishing with mono.


I found that slippage is usually caused by oily hands/fingers touching the mono/flouro, getting any/all oils off of your hands/fingers before tying the knot will help prevent slippage when cinching the lines together. Another thing that I did notice that helps ~other than washing your hands~ is to pinch the mono/flouro right where it bends and come back around. I believe the tight bend in the mono/flouro causes the spectra to get hung up and allows it to tighten and not slip.

ful-rac
03-08-2016, 08:35 PM
FG knot looks pretty good... if you have the time to tie it, at home or between stops. When you need to tie a new leader quickly and easily and or under pressure, the RP knot or the John Collins wins in my book.

EastLosYaker
03-08-2016, 08:49 PM
All in the pinch! Just tried it with the pinch, problem solved. Still going to try out the improved version. Always good to see for yourself.

alanw
03-08-2016, 08:58 PM
Alberto and Albright are different knots. I prefer the Alberto type with 7 up and 7 down.

alanw
03-08-2016, 11:12 PM
~ is to pinch the mono/flouro right where it bends and come back around. I believe the tight bend in the mono/flouro causes the spectra to get hung up and allows it to tighten and not slip.
If my mono was slipping I'd try a different knot, add wraps to my knot, check my tying technique, or use different line or leader. I think the last thing I'd do is intentionally put a kink in my line.

GregAndrew
03-08-2016, 11:13 PM
I prefer an SPro swivel for my braid to fluoro connections. They are small and extremely strong. They also provide a way for your line to unwind. Unless you are fishing for picky Tuna, you are not going to have any problems.

King Saba
03-09-2016, 12:57 AM
http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot

I used to use the rest, now I use the best!

I can never get the spectra to get that Chinese finger trap effect on the leader. I've spent hours tying it when I have downtime, but it's just one knot I can't seem to master.

Silbaugh4liberty
03-09-2016, 05:54 AM
Alberto and Albright are different knots. I prefer the Alberto type with 7 up and 7 down.

How so? More turns going up and down? No matter how many turns up and down, the concept is exactly the same. I think I'm gonna do 13 turns and call it the Freddy Krueger knot, or maybe 33 and call it the Freemason knot! LOL, its all the same crap.

jorluivil
03-09-2016, 06:21 AM
This is my go to knot for flouro or mono to spectra, I have never had the knot fail. I've had 40lb mono/flouro break before my knot.

If my mono was slipping I'd try a different knot, add wraps to my knot, check my tying technique, or use different line or leader. I think the last thing I'd do is intentionally put a kink in my line.


Obviously, you didn't read my entire reply and no I don't want to check your tying technique:p. I've been using that same knot since 2007 and I haven't had any issues with it once its tied.

PapaDave
03-09-2016, 06:53 AM
I just go straight braid.

FARRIER
03-09-2016, 07:08 AM
I love the tony peña, bob sands, whatever else you want to call it. I like it because it has a tell tale sign if it is tied correctly. The spectra portion of the knot becomes rigid. So you know right away if you have any imperfections. It shares all the advantages of the rp knot with sone of the same drawbacks. As you get above 40lb leader the connection becomes somewhat obtrusive and can get caughts up in the last few guides. I use it on all my setups.

alanw
03-09-2016, 07:47 AM
How so? More turns going up and down? No matter how many turns up and down, the concept is exactly the same. I think I'm gonna do 13 turns and call it the Freddy Krueger knot, or maybe 33 and call it the Freemason knot! LOL, its all the same crap.
Alberto has wraps going up and wraps going down. Albright just has wraps going down only.
http://www.netknots.com/files/9014/0199/1795/alberto_knot.jpghttp://www.netknots.com/files/8214/0053/8377/albright_special2014.jpg

octico
03-09-2016, 08:12 AM
How so? More turns going up and down? No matter how many turns up and down, the concept is exactly the same. I think I'm gonna do 13 turns and call it the Freddy Krueger knot, or maybe 33 and call it the Freemason knot! LOL, its all the same crap.

You are wrong my friend. Two different knots.

Starsky
03-09-2016, 08:36 AM
I can never get the spectra to get that Chinese finger trap effect on the leader. I've spent hours tying it when I have downtime, but it's just one knot I can't seem to master.

What I do is put my rod in a holder at a slight angle, then I put a decent weight on the end of the braid (I usually use my pliers). Just let it dangle there. This keeps the spectra line always tight and I proceed with the alternating wraps with the flouro.

I could never do it will with just my hands :rolleyes: