Fish ID?

[Vikingj]

Can you identify this fish? C&R'ed Thurs at Dana Point. Taken on sardine near bottom. Considered it being a young BSB (which have highly variable patterns) but doesn't fit descriptions or pics in my 3 ichthyology references.

[YakDout]

Those spots are tell tale. Bsb


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[Dannowar]

why would you put that on a stringer?


I've been told by DFW that once a fish is on a stringer that its "in your possession" so I'm not really sure where they fall if you "C&R'd" it


probably did it more harm than good....

[f'nsabiki]

OP--I would delete this post if I were you.

[Dave Legacy]

BSB, no doubt about it.

[HobieScot]

We were spear fishing in Catalina and got boarded by DFG. All was good with us but they did mention that the boat fishing 100 yards from us caught and kept a baby/young BSB thinking it was something else which according to the DFG netted that fisherman a minimum of a $3k fine and could go upwards of $10k depending on other circumstances

When in doubt don't even bring it on board to remove the hook. If I can't absolutely ID a fish it won't ever leave the water

[rossman]

Nothing but a head shake from me.

[bolocop]

OP--I would delete this post if I were you.


I wouldn't suggest that either. You could be interfering with a justice investigation if someone has forwarded to DFG. This thread is getting dicey.




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[Silbaugh4liberty]

Really, someone here would do that? :hmmmm2::vroam:

[ful-rac]

Purple spotted grouper!

[DanaPT]

Remember when you did not know?

I'm sure he won't do it again.

Just realized there are two anglers. Hmmmm. Both guys not knowing ??????????????

[summers in kuwait]

Please look at the regulations and check out the proper methods for cpr.
A stringer is for retention and can damage the gils, thus lowering the chance of survival.

[Flyak13]

I wouldn't suggest that either. You could be interfering with a justice investigation if someone has forwarded to DFG. This thread is getting dicey.


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So how exactly would deleting this post be interfering with an investigation that may or may not be taking place ? Oh yes i forgot this is bwe and you guys know everything , dude can and should delete it , as he has every right to not self incriminate himself , now ... Why in the hell would you throw a fish that you can't positively id but think it might be a bsb on a game clip ? Then go post a picture on a website full of cry babies? now you've got assholes like me rolling their eyes and asking themselves wtf is this guys malfunction? I mean this right here takes a special kind of stupid, if it's on the clip, it's considered taken by dfg and even with a successful release you can still possibly be cited and fined.

[Vikingj]

why would you put that on a stringer?


I've been told by DFW that once a fish is on a stringer that its "in your possession" so I'm not really sure where they fall if you "C&R'd" it


probably did it more harm than good....

I did not catch the fish or put it on a stringer. Another kayaker saw me fishing nearby and came over to ask what it was. I wasn't absolutely sure but suggested it could be a bsb. I asked if I could take a pic to ID at home and he decided to release it in case I was right. Originally I couldn't find a matching description or pic but tonight I found the exact picture (in Field Guide to Pacific Coast Fishes, Eschmeyer et al) labeled as a junior Giant Sea Bass (aka BSB). I'm innocent!

[driftwood]

That is an easy 24,000 dollar fine. This has all the makings of Nat Geo
Wild justice realty show. Get your pop corn ready boys!

[Mr. NiceGuy]

So how exactly would deleting this post be interfering with an investigation that may or may not be taking place ? Oh yes i forgot this is bwe and you guys know everything , dude can and should delete it , as he has every right to not self incriminate himself , now ... Why in the hell would you throw a fish that you can't positively id but think it might be a bsb on a game clip ? Then go post a picture on a website full of cry babies? now you've got assholes like me rolling their eyes and asking themselves wtf is this guys malfunction? I mean this right here takes a special kind of stupid, if it's on the clip, it's considered taken by dfg and even with a successful release you can still possibly be cited and fined.

Anyway, they watch us with drones now anyway, so "what difference does it make?"

We're all guilty of something bad enough to put us away.

And get those damn seals that eat BSB too!

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FWIW:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Ocean/Fish-ID/Sportfish/Sea-Bass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sea_bass

https://www.google.com/search?q=giant+sea+bass&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJqPG_47zLAhVU_WMKHSHfDzEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1408&bih=758

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Giant_sea_bass.jpg/220px-Giant_sea_bass.jpg

http://www.oac.cdlib.org/data/13030/s0/kt0g5000s0/figures/caljsiol_sio1ca175_145_051b.gif



http://kcbx.org/post/californias-giant-sea-bass-making-comeback-after-near-extinction


... and for free bonus points at no additional charge, please tell me if these are Giant Black Sea Bass or Gulf Grouper?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dnds3U1CjkM/T-bGRezaTtI/AAAAAAAAGAg/nYGKQp10XRk/s1600/giant+sea+bass+stereolepis+gigas+big+fishes+huge+w orld+record++massive+caught+records+largest+IGFA++ biggest+fish+trophy+ocean+sea+monster+giant+freshw ater+saltwater+images+lb+pound+++pictures+fisch+ca lifornia+.jpg

[Raskal311]

i got one of those out of Newport two weeks ago, first thought was grouper or some type of rock fish. Glad I let the little guy go.

[seascrambler]

tastes like bald eagle....:doh:

[King Saba]

Anyway, they watch us with drones now anyway, so "what difference does it make?"

We're all guilty of something bad enough to put us away.

And get those damn seals that eat BSB too!

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FWIW:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Ocean/Fish-ID/Sportfish/Sea-Bass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sea_bass

https://www.google.com/search?q=giant+sea+bass&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJqPG_47zLAhVU_WMKHSHfDzEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1408&bih=758

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Giant_sea_bass.jpg/220px-Giant_sea_bass.jpg

http://www.oac.cdlib.org/data/13030/s0/kt0g5000s0/figures/caljsiol_sio1ca175_145_051b.gif



http://kcbx.org/post/californias-giant-sea-bass-making-comeback-after-near-extinction


... and for free bonus points at no additional charge, please tell me if these are Giant Black Sea Bass or Gulf Grouper?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dnds3U1CjkM/T-bGRezaTtI/AAAAAAAAGAg/nYGKQp10XRk/s1600/giant+sea+bass+stereolepis+gigas+big+fishes+huge+w orld+record++massive+caught+records+largest+IGFA++ biggest+fish+trophy+ocean+sea+monster+giant+freshw ater+saltwater+images+lb+pound+++pictures+fisch+ca lifornia+.jpg

Looks like gulf. Maybe not even a gulf actually, but definitely not a BSB.

[JohnnyC]

Jesus!! You guys sure do go hard on people on here. Not everyone is a professional, or educated on every species of fish. I'm new around here and this site has been my go to place to learn and prepare myself whenever I hit the water. I've never caught a bsb or wsb (never targeted these fish) and I rely heavily on post like this to learn so that I don't make the same mistakes. Therefore, I hate to see people become hesitant when posting threads like these. Makes me nervous thinking about posting my catches this season. Actually, makes me nervous posting this. Not here to stir things up, I just wanna fish :)

Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from this thread

[jorluivil]

Ummmmmm

[Flyak13]

Jesus!! You guys sure do go hard on people on here. Not everyone is a professional, or educated on every species of fish. I'm new around here and this site has been my go to place to learn and prepare myself whenever I hit the water. I've never caught a bsb or wsb (never targeted these fish) and I rely heavily on post like this to learn so that I don't make the same mistakes. Therefore, I hate to see people become hesitant when posting threads like these. Makes me nervous thinking about posting my catches this season. Actually, makes me nervous posting this. Not here to stir things up, I just wanna fish :)

Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from this thread

Very simple rule to fallow ... When in doubt put it back, and by putting back means not ramming a game clip ( wich is used to secure fish you will be harvesting ) down its throat for a Picture, ignorance of the law is no excuse to break it, and if your going to break the law don't post a picture on the Internet about it

[King Saba]

Jesus!! You guys sure do go hard on people on here. Not everyone is a professional, or educated on every species of fish. I'm new around here and this site has been my go to place to learn and prepare myself whenever I hit the water. I've never caught a bsb or wsb (never targeted these fish) and I rely heavily on post like this to learn so that I don't make the same mistakes. Therefore, I hate to see people become hesitant when posting threads like these. Makes me nervous thinking about posting my catches this season. Actually, makes me nervous posting this. Not here to stir things up, I just wanna fish :)

Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from this thread

lol compared to bloodydecks I'd say it's pretty tame here.

[bolocop]

Flyak,
Assuming there's an investigation, there's a huge difference between taking the "5th" and tampering with evidence.

He has a right against self-incrimination (the "5th" specifically used in a court setting) but does not have a right to destroy evidence which is obstruction of justice.

You asked, there's the answer.


So how exactly would deleting this post be interfering with an investigation that may or may not be taking place ? Oh yes i forgot this is bwe and you guys know everything , dude can and should delete it , as he has every right to not self incriminate himself , now ... Why in the hell would you throw a fish that you can't positively id but think it might be a bsb on a game clip ? Then go post a picture on a website full of cry babies? now you've got assholes like me rolling their eyes and asking themselves wtf is this guys malfunction? I mean this right here takes a special kind of stupid, if it's on the clip, it's considered taken by dfg and even with a successful release you can still possibly be cited and fined.





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[Murray]

I did not catch the fish or put it on a stringer. Another kayaker saw me fishing nearby and came over to ask what it was. I wasn't absolutely sure but suggested it could be a bsb. I asked if I could take a pic to ID at home and he decided to release it in case I was right. Originally I couldn't find a matching description or pic but tonight I found the exact picture (in Field Guide to Pacific Coast Fishes, Eschmeyer et al) labeled as a junior Giant Sea Bass (aka BSB). I'm innocent!

Glad to hear sir. Sorry you had to experience some of the posts. Thanks again for posting.

[RedSledTeam]

".....

... and for free bonus points at no additional charge, please tell me if these are Giant Black Sea Bass or Gulf Grouper?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dnds3U1CjkM/T-bGRezaTtI/AAAAAAAAGAg/nYGKQp10XRk/s1600/giant+sea+bass+stereolepis+gigas+big+fishes+huge+w orld+record++massive+caught+records+largest+IGFA++ biggest+fish+trophy+ocean+sea+monster+giant+freshw ater+saltwater+images+lb+pound+++pictures+fisch+ca lifornia+.jpg You can check the teeth to determine if it is a bass or grouper. The bass will have rows of needle teeth like a largemouth bass, and a grouper will have singular conical teeth.

[YakDout]

Anyway, they watch us with drones now anyway, so "what difference does it make?"

We're all guilty of something bad enough to put us away.

And get those damn seals that eat BSB too!

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FWIW:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Ocean/Fish-ID/Sportfish/Sea-Bass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sea_bass

https://www.google.com/search?q=giant+sea+bass&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJqPG_47zLAhVU_WMKHSHfDzEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1408&bih=758

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Giant_sea_bass.jpg/220px-Giant_sea_bass.jpg

http://www.oac.cdlib.org/data/13030/s0/kt0g5000s0/figures/caljsiol_sio1ca175_145_051b.gif



http://kcbx.org/post/californias-giant-sea-bass-making-comeback-after-near-extinction


... and for free bonus points at no additional charge, please tell me if these are Giant Black Sea Bass or Gulf Grouper?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dnds3U1CjkM/T-bGRezaTtI/AAAAAAAAGAg/nYGKQp10XRk/s1600/giant+sea+bass+stereolepis+gigas+big+fishes+huge+w orld+record++massive+caught+records+largest+IGFA++ biggest+fish+trophy+ocean+sea+monster+giant+freshw ater+saltwater+images+lb+pound+++pictures+fisch+ca lifornia+.jpg


Have to be black sea bass considering the world record gulf grouper was just over a 100lbs. Those fish look heavier than that.


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[taggermike]

Bsb arent as rare as they used to be so issues like this will come up more frequently. Like another poster said; if you don't know what it is release it. Gently, not after hanging it in the air on a game clip.

Very small 10-16" BSBs look different than the fish in this foto. They are very stocky, have large fins in relation to the body size, and are a dark red to deep purple color. And I've caught these little guys under the Coronado bridge.

We have 5 species of marine fish in so cal that you can not keep. Ever. White sharks, gulf grouper, broomtail grouper, BSB, and garabaldi. Some you'll see, most you never will, but know them. Mike

[maquinapescado]

Been staying away from here second to working full-time and going to school full-time and the day I choose to take a look................

[dbrogdon5]

It's nice to know how many "experts" we have in the field of fishing. Some are passionate and some are just pricks. Hard to tell the difference now days

[Zed]

Very small 10-16" BSBs look different than the fish in this foto. They are very stocky, have large fins in relation to the body size, and are a dark red to deep purple color.
Only pic Ive got of a small one. Smaller than a crappie but real big fins. White tail edge.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g188/2nakllr/2013-10-08101900sm_zps706dfaa9.jpg

[Vikingj]

Jesus!! You guys sure do go hard on people on here. Not everyone is a professional, or educated on every species of fish. I'm new around here and this site has been my go to place to learn and prepare myself whenever I hit the water. I've never caught a bsb or wsb (never targeted these fish) and I rely heavily on post like this to learn so that I don't make the same mistakes. Therefore, I hate to see people become hesitant when posting threads like these. Makes me nervous thinking about posting my catches this season. Actually, makes me nervous posting this. Not here to stir things up, I just wanna fish :)

Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from this thread



Absolutely no offense taken and thanks to the many who offered comments. Its good to get a lively, informative discussion going with humor, and a little trash talk and I expected no less from BWE. After over 20 yrs working in marine bio I was not 100% sure so if several fisherman learned to recognize and release the next junior BSB this one mistake may help save others. PS ; can you ID this species of “wreck fish”?

[maquinapescado]

Absolutely no offense taken and thanks to the many who offered comments. Its good to get a lively, informative discussion going with humor, and a little trash talk and I expected no less from BWE. After over 20 yrs working in marine bio I was not 100% sure so if several fisherman learned to recognize and release the next junior BSB this one mistake may help save others. PS ; can you ID this species of “wreck fish”?

I'm not following you here. 20 years of marine biology, a member here since 08' and you could not identify those spots as being trademark BSB and have the logic to throw it out when in doubt?

Did I not read something and this isn't you who kept or put the fish on a game clip? Is it a pic of someone else?

[jorluivil]

It's nice to know how many "experts" we have in the field of fishing. Some are passionate and some are just pricks. Hard to tell the difference now days


Me, I'm an expert prick

Tony, well Tony is just a prick

[Wyota]

Many are jumping on the poster about catching a BSB, putting it on a stringer, then taking a picture of it and posting it; A few asked whether the poster caught it or not. He stated early on, it wasn't his catch. Another angler had it, and asked for help ID'ing. The poster asked if he could take a picture of it for ID, which he did.

That being said, the actual angler obviously was unsure of the ID so should have released it from the get go, but the poster did not put in on the stringer, and led to it being released.

At least a few people now know exactly what a juvi bsb looks like, in case we ever catch one.

[Fishin Phil]

Where's the popcorn?

[maquinapescado]

Me, I'm an expert prick

Tony, well Tony is just a prick

When are they gonna make a like button like on Facebook?

[jorluivil]

When are they gonna make a like button like on Facebook?


Since you're already an exprert it'll be added as soon as you become a prick

[h2ofishfo]

Since you're already an exprert it'll be added as soon as you become a prick

Paaaaaaanzies calm down

[mrJB]

Enough...


Well la-de-da, the time has come where you can't ask an innocent question and try to do the right thing.


I'm fortunate and consider Viking and the mysterious red-kayak-fisherman to be my friends. They've both been fishing for more years than 75% of the people on this board. If they say that they had trouble identifying a fish, then that's how it was.


I am happy to fish with these guys whenever and wherever I can. The people I won't fish with are the know-it-alls, googans, and newbies that are experts after a season or two, with second or third hand information that they probably heard on the internet. You know the ones, the ones whose subjective opinions MUST be the absolute fact.


It's no surprise that the successful "old timers" eventually post less and less. My remaining consolation is knowing that the googans will probably be gone after a year or two, realizing that they really do suck at fishing, much like the rest of their lives.

[the dude]

Oh the outrage! So much drama on this board...

[nickc5]

DRAMA QUEENS!!

[Silbaugh4liberty]

DRAMA QUEENS!!

X2! :iagree:


Anyone here telling the DFG on this dude, should be kicked in the balls....... REALLY HARD!

We ought to be educating and taking care of our own, not being some b*#@h a$$ snitch.

[nickc5]

X2! :iagree:


Anyone here telling the DFG on this dude, should be kicked in the balls....... REALLY HARD!

We ought to be educating and taking care of our own, not being some b*#@h a$$ snitch.

I heard that. It gets ridiculous on these boards. Silbaugh, we gotta get out man....

FISH ID PLEASE?? :D

Had myself a good weekend. There's another tourney in 2 weeks.... $$$ to be made. Won over $1400 the past 2 tournys.

[sculpins4bait]

nice bow wheres that looks like ez money

[jorluivil]

Guys talking shi*t about guys that talk sh*t about a guy that didn't catch a fish................weird

[StinkyMatt]

All the fishermen that have not made a mistake on the water please stand up.



.



Yup, nobody is standing up.





The sport of fishing inCalifornia is under a lot of pressure.

If you guys continue to tear each other down like this, imagine how little work the "seal lady" tree hugger and save the ocean groups have to do.




There is a polite way to tell someone that they made a mistake, you don't have to become an assh$&@ in order to give advice.



No charge. :D







....and that ain't no rainbow trout..........that's a mutated SARL mutant cancer creature.

[nickc5]

Haha. SARL at its finest. I didn't say I ate it, but cashed in. Another tourney in 2 weeks. The CA state recorded is apparently in the lake as we speak.


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[Silbaugh4liberty]

I heard that. It gets ridiculous on these boards. Silbaugh, we gotta get out man....

FISH ID PLEASE?? :D

Had myself a good weekend. There's another tourney in 2 weeks.... $$$ to be made. Won over $1400 the past 2 tournys.

DAMNNN!!! IS that a Rainbow Sea Bass??? That thing is huge. Great job on the tournys! I'm down, just let me know when you're heading out. It's been a WHILE since the last time I've seen you out on the water. I think the last time I've seen you, you were heading straight out for tuna!! Sat/Sun are the days I can fish, hit me up.

[domtesta27]

Haha. SARL at its finest. I didn't say I ate it, but cashed in. Another tourney in 2 weeks. The CA state recorded is apparently in the lake as we speak.


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Wait so you killed the fish but didn't eat it? Just chucked it in the trash? That just made my stomach drop. This is why I haven't gone to the Santa Anna River Lakes or any of the other stocker lakes here in socal. I couldn't imagine landing my first 10lb + rainbow knowing it came out of a hatchery the day before, eating pellets. it just doesn't count.

Neither would a state record coming out of those ponds. This is like catching a state record WSB out of the breeding pens and calling it a record.....

[jorluivil]

IN

[jorluivil]

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[jorluivil]

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[YakDout]

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[nickc5]

lol. I gave it away guy.

Also, majority (key word here) of the trout you will catch ANYWHERE, are farm raised trout. Granted there are wild trout that can be caught. Unless you go to Alaska, like myself from the tourney I won last year at SARL, you'll have a chance at landing some wild ones.

So what were you saying? I'm saying I'm $1400 richer in the past 2 weeks from fishing and won a trip to Alaska along with $1k, and 3 fishing pole setups.


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[nickc5]

DAMNNN!!! IS that a Rainbow Sea Bass??? That thing is huge. Great job on the tournys! I'm down, just let me know when you're heading out. It's been a WHILE since the last time I've seen you out on the water. I think the last time I've seen you, you were heading straight out for tuna!! Sat/Sun are the days I can fish, hit me up.


It's been a while.. But getting out soon man. Been real busy.


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[Geno Machino]

I heard that. It gets ridiculous on these boards. Silbaugh, we gotta get out man....

FISH ID PLEASE?? :D

Had myself a good weekend. There's another tourney in 2 weeks.... $$$ to be made. Won over $1400 the past 2 tournys.
http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/attachment.php?attachmentid=18502&stc=1&d=1457982548

Nice fish...whatcha catch it on?

Geno

[nickc5]

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/attachment.php?attachmentid=18502&stc=1&d=1457982548

Nice fish...whatcha catch it on?

Geno


Thanks, Geno. Minnow Jig. Jiggin has been ridiculous if you can find the right color that's working that day. My only fish of the day.

Hope all is well.




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[katchfish]

-1

That ca$h looks real, congrats.

How much would this one be worth?:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/katchfish/IMG_3342_zpsiowor8ss.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/katchfish/media/IMG_3342_zpsiowor8ss.jpg.html)

[nickc5]

That's a beauty. Reminds me of the trout I use to catch in the Arkansas River back in college. The experience is priceless 😉


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[nickc5]

-1



That ca$h looks real, congrats.



How much would this one be worth?:D



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/katchfish/IMG_3342_zpsiowor8ss.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/katchfish/media/IMG_3342_zpsiowor8ss.jpg.html)


That's a beauty. Reminds me of the trout I use to catch in the Arkansas River back in college. The experience is priceless 😉

Like the username. My bro has an Instagram @teamkatchafish

Check us out

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[ghotion]

Most of you have probably noticed I don't post hardly at all (ever). This has me a little ticked off. Three or four years ago there was post of some idiot posing with a small BSB that he had caught surf fishing. He had a big shit eating grin on his face, was wearing only swim trunks and had no fishing license visible, probably a poacher. Thing is, that post was gone in two days. Why is this one still so visible?

[domtesta27]

As much as I would like to educate you on the difference between the stocking of trout in natural habitat to help bolster wild stock and planting of full grown fish into water that's gonna kill em anyways after a couple weeks just so you can pay to catch em, I doubt you'd get it. And you can go to just about any state in the country and catch Wild trout that breed naturally in the rivers and lakes. It's not about money and fame guy.


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[fishing md]

The flyfishing community wouldn't act this way....:D:D:D
Shame on you guys!!!!!!

[2-Stix]

that rainbow is disgusting. looks like a swamp dog. it was raped in a pond eating pellets for years.

lets see...power bait? worm? velveta? salmon eggs?

Dom...post a proper fish caught flyfishing in freezing conditions that was released...oh and caught on a barbless hook.

sorry, this is my hot button...i should not be posting this.

[2-Stix]

lol. I gave it away guy.

Also, majority (key word here) of the trout you will catch ANYWHERE, are farm raised trout. Granted there are wild trout that can be caught. Unless you go to Alaska, like myself from the tourney I won last year at SARL, you'll have a chance at landing some wild ones.

So what were you saying? I'm saying I'm $1400 richer in the past 2 weeks from fishing and won a trip to Alaska along with $1k, and 3 fishing pole setups.


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None of the fish i catch in the backcountry are farmed raised. Your really out of the loop here. I catch wild trout 30 mins from my home in Ventura...for the last 30 years. I have backpacked 20 miles in the windriver range in the heart of wyoming for rare wild trout. theres wild trout all over. native, non stocked or farm raised. i have caught 100's of land locked steelhead.

[Zed]

How much would this one be worth?:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/katchfish/IMG_3342_zpsiowor8ss.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/katchfish/media/IMG_3342_zpsiowor8ss.jpg.html)
Gold Ken GOLD. As a rule, I try and fish for only nonGMO trout.

[nickc5]

None of the fish i catch in the backcountry are farmed raised. Your really out of the loop here. I catch wild trout 30 mins from my home in Ventura...for the last 30 years. I have backpacked 20 miles in the windriver range in the heart of wyoming for rare wild trout. theres wild trout all over. native, non stocked or farm raised. i have caught 100's of land locked steelhead.


I agree with u and I've experienced that as well. I'm def not out of the loop. Haha I'll be out at my cabin in Utah this summer doing that in my backyard. It's funny how offended people get.

Story is,

I caught a big f****** farm raised, gmo, steroid ass trout and won some Money doing So.

15.44lber

Sweet dreams drama queens


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[2-Stix]

I agree with u and I've experienced that as well. I'm def not out of the loop. Haha I'll be out at my cabin in Utah this summer doing that in my backyard. It's funny how offended people get.

Story is,

I caught a big f****** farm raised, gmo, steroid ass trout and won some Money doing So.

15.44lber

Sweet dreams drama queens


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Where in Utah? I have pulled lots of big fish out of that state...mostly Flaming Gorge, below the dam. great tail water fishery.

[nickc5]

Where in Utah? I have pulled lots of big fish out of that state...mostly Flaming Gorge.


The cabin is on mammoth creek near lake Panguitch/duck Creek Village. Family cabin. Can't wait for the weather to cool down.


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[domtesta27]

Native lahontan cutthroat, you gotta put in the work for these......

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/055c20e9773aa2e0310d5d3cf1818275.jpg

No power bait allowed.....


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[Pinhead]

*Steroid-Ass trout ???? Oay vay.

We went from baby BSB, to $1400 gluton free gender confused freshwater fish on this thread......Hey Mo, I'm a Victim of Soicumstance......

....and was this steroid trout caught on a kayak ? ....I call BS.

Awesome job on the Cutty for real......hats off.

[f'nsabiki]

OP--I would delete this post if I were you.

Like I said----No good was ever going to come from this post.

[Saba Slayer]

Vikingj...if you're at the Fred Hall Show in Del Mar...come by the Turners booth...I'll be selling AHI/Promar products.
I've got some DFG Fish ID booklets and I'll give you one. The artwork is great (a lot of A. Bachar images) and it may keep you from making an expensive mistake.

[Dan]

what a frickin mess

[RK]

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[knightnsd]

All I want to know is how it tasted? Do the small ones taste any better than the big BSB's? I think that "looks like Mexico in the background of the photo", tell the DFG to pound sand.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae260/Knightnsd/sea-bass-3mbb_zpsj77xa7st.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/Knightnsd/media/sea-bass-3mbb_zpsj77xa7st.jpg.html)

:D.

I used to think the DFG officers were there to protect the resources we all enjoy but between hunting and fishing, it seems they are often looking for a violation. In general, contact with them in the field or on the water just makes you think what might I have done wrong? I feel like my hunting and fishing fees are like taxes, paying for more government pricks to make more laws that they can eventually fine one of us for accidental violation of. I think I need an attorney prior to taking a fish or shooting something these days to ok the shot first, check the area, the season, the sex, can I use a dog on this hunt, can I bait pigs(illegal in California despite them being a nuisance), can I use lead ammo in this area, can I use a barbed hook, how deep can I fish, where can I fish, it a bureaucracy of laws, sub-laws and regulations that is a net to snare one of us even as we attempt to stay on top of the take-laws. Try asking a DFG agent what you can do about seals and sea lions, one said I could use a non-lethal deterrent but another told me I could not harass them as they are a protected sea mammal so a paint ball gun might be an offense. The following site cant even answer the question regarding seals and sea lions.

http://www.westcoast.fisheries.noaa.gov/publications/protected_species/marine_mammals/pinnipeds/sea_lion_removals/112515_potential_deterrence_methods.pdf )

Everyone here has heard various take-laws on the water from a friend or had a friend miss-id a fish or a buddy that shot a wood-duck or other out of season by a day or two. If the water warms up again we will have to be very diligent on take-laws that may change mid-season or on some odd-fish that ends up here.

[Silbaugh4liberty]

All I want to know is how it tasted? Do the small ones taste any better than the big BSB's? I think that "looks like Mexico in the background of the photo", tell the DFG to pound sand.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae260/Knightnsd/sea-bass-3mbb_zpsj77xa7st.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/Knightnsd/media/sea-bass-3mbb_zpsj77xa7st.jpg.html)

:D.

I used to think the DFG officers were there to protect the resources we all enjoy but between hunting and fishing, it seems they are often looking for a violation. In general, contact with them in the field or on the water just makes you think what might I have done wrong? I feel like my hunting and fishing fees are like taxes, paying for more government pricks to make more laws that they can eventually fine one of us for accidental violation of. I think I need an attorney prior to taking a fish or shooting something these days to ok the shot first, check the area, the season, the sex, can I use a dog on this hunt, can I bait pigs(illegal in California despite them being a nuisance), can I use lead ammo in this area, can I use a barbed hook, how deep can I fish, where can I fish, it a bureaucracy of laws, sub-laws and regulations that is a net to snare one of us even as we attempt to stay on top of the take-laws. Try asking a DFG agent what you can do about seals and sea lions, one said I could use a non-lethal deterrent but another told me I could not harass them as they are a protected sea mammal so a paint ball gun might be an offense. The following site cant even answer the question regarding seals and sea lions.

http://www.westcoast.fisheries.noaa.gov/publications/protected_species/marine_mammals/pinnipeds/sea_lion_removals/112515_potential_deterrence_methods.pdf )

Everyone here has heard various take-laws on the water from a friend or had a friend miss-id a fish or a buddy that shot a wood-duck or other out of season by a day or two. If the water warms up again we will have to be very diligent on take-laws that may change mid-season or on some odd-fish that ends up here.

HAHA!! Love the way you think! Looks yummy. You're right, peace officers (cops), DFG, CHP, etc. only care about one thing, CONVICTIONS, because it pays their salary. Plain and simple. Sure a few might have the right intentions when they first join, but with the labor unions, it all goes to shit quick fast and in a hurry. Ever wonder why there's no REAL victim? It's the Judge(commissioner), Prosecution and the cop all ganged up against the defendant (YOU), and they ask you if you're going to waive your constitutional rights in order to enter a plea whether its guilty or not guilty. Why is that? Why do you need to waive your Constitutional rights? Because it's statutory law (contract law) which doesn't have jurisdiction within the confines of the Constitution (civil law). They never have "Corpus Delecti" (which is the injured party, either physically or monetarily), they just have the lame ass claim that you injured the "People of the State of California", which is complete B.S.

[RK]

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[Harry Hill]

All I want to know is how it tasted? Do the small ones taste any better than the big BSB's? I think that "looks like Mexico in the background of the photo", tell the DFG to pound sand.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae260/Knightnsd/sea-bass-3mbb_zpsj77xa7st.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/Knightnsd/media/sea-bass-3mbb_zpsj77xa7st.jpg.html)

:D.

I used to think the DFG officers were there to protect the resources we all enjoy but between hunting and fishing, it seems they are often looking for a violation. In general, contact with them in the field or on the water just makes you think what might I have done wrong? I feel like my hunting and fishing fees are like taxes, paying for more government pricks to make more laws that they can eventually fine one of us for accidental violation of. I think I need an attorney prior to taking a fish or shooting something these days to ok the shot first, check the area, the season, the sex, can I use a dog on this hunt, can I bait pigs(illegal in California despite them being a nuisance), can I use lead ammo in this area, can I use a barbed hook, how deep can I fish, where can I fish, it a bureaucracy of laws, sub-laws and regulations that is a net to snare one of us even as we attempt to stay on top of the take-laws. Try asking a DFG agent what you can do about seals and sea lions, one said I could use a non-lethal deterrent but another told me I could not harass them as they are a protected sea mammal so a paint ball gun might be an offense. The following site cant even answer the question regarding seals and sea lions.

http://www.westcoast.fisheries.noaa.gov/publications/protected_species/marine_mammals/pinnipeds/sea_lion_removals/112515_potential_deterrence_methods.pdf )

Everyone here has heard various take-laws on the water from a friend or had a friend miss-id a fish or a buddy that shot a wood-duck or other out of season by a day or two. If the water warms up again we will have to be very diligent on take-laws that may change mid-season or on some odd-fish that ends up here.

I have decided a cattle prod is a good sea lion deterrent
50,000 volts in the water should make them leave me alone.

[2-Stix]

Native lahontan cutthroat, you gotta put in the work for these......

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/055c20e9773aa2e0310d5d3cf1818275.jpg

No power bait allowed.....


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i been on the water with Dom...stand up dude.

[knightnsd]

HAHA!! Love the way you think! Looks yummy. You're right, peace officers (cops), DFG, CHP, etc. only care about one thing, CONVICTIONS, because it pays their salary. Plain and simple. Sure a few might have the right intentions when they first join, but with the labor unions, it all goes to shit quick fast and in a hurry. Ever wonder why there's no REAL victim? It's the Judge(commissioner), Prosecution and the cop all ganged up against the defendant (YOU), and they ask you if you're going to waive your constitutional rights in order to enter a plea whether its guilty or not guilty. Why is that? Why do you need to waive your Constitutional rights? Because it's statutory law (contract law) which doesn't have jurisdiction within the confines of the Constitution (civil law). They never have "Corpus Delecti" (which is the injured party, either physically or monetarily), they just have the lame ass claim that you injured the "People of the State of California", which is complete B.S.



At the end of the day I am not sure if I would rather be boarded by the Mexican military while fishing or inspected by a DFG agent, seems like both are fishing for dollars. Last time I hunted quail and had called it a day, I was inspected by the DFG after I had dismantled most of the gun and was cleaning the remaining pieces before placing them in the locking case. I had to re-assemble it for inspection as he claimed someone was shooting too many rounds in the area and was "missing the plug in their shotgun." I am not sure he had the right to inspect my gun at this point as it was already in its Benelli travel case after being mostly cleaned but complied. I hunt Mexico as well and do not use a plug in Mexico a it is not required and now never remove it until home while in California. I just don't trust the agents anymore as another time I was approached by an agent as I hung my thresher over the side and the agents asked what I was dumping over the side as they approached. I really had no idea they were even approaching as I was trying to dispatch the shark versus let it slowly drown. The agent boarded my boat and disagreed that I could catch a thresher in Feb and wanted to see the shark and my license. I showed them both and was "released unharmed" but their boat-side manner has a lot to be desired. They were polite once they realized I had not been dumping any evidence over the side of my boat as they approached. They should not treat us like a criminal until we are acting like one, simply fishing or hunting should not mean that we should be approached as a violator.

[Silbaugh4liberty]

At the end of the day I am not sure if I would rather be boarded by the Mexican military while fishing or inspected by a DFG agent, seems like both are fishing for dollars. Last time I hunted quail and had called it a day, I was inspected by the DFG after I had dismantled most of the gun and was cleaning the remaining pieces before placing them in the locking case. I had to re-assemble it for inspection as he claimed someone was shooting too many rounds in the area and was "missing the plug in their shotgun." I am not sure he had the right to inspect my gun at this point as it was already in its Benelli travel case after being mostly cleaned but complied. I hunt Mexico as well and do not use a plug in Mexico a it is not required and now never remove it until home while in California. I just don't trust the agents anymore as another time I was approached by an agent as I hung my thresher over the side and the agents asked what I was dumping over the side as they approached. I really had no idea they were even approaching as I was trying to dispatch the shark versus let it slowly drown. The agent boarded my boat and disagreed that I could catch a thresher in Feb and wanted to see the shark and my license. I showed them both and was "released unharmed" but their boat-side manner has a lot to be desired. They were polite once they realized I had not been dumping any evidence over the side of my boat as they approached. They should not treat us like a criminal until we are acting like one, simply fishing or hunting should not mean that we should be approached as a violator.



That's just how ALL law enforcement is trained to think (Everyone is a criminal). Just like when I went to Iraq, we were trained to think (EVERYONE is a terrorist), when in reality, WE were the terrorists. That's why more veterans voted for anti-war candidates in 2008 like Obama, and Ron Paul. Obama reneged though. Either way, they all knowingly violate the Constitutions because they operate under color of law. If I ever got a ticket from a DFG officer, I would certainly first subpoena the officer, then file a Demurr to Dismiss the charges under lack of Jurisdiction and if they really pushed the envelope, I'd file criminal charges in federal court against the Dept. of Fish and Game under Title 18 US Code 242 (Deprivation of Rights), since it's clearly underlined in the California Constitution that fishing is a guaranteed right and DFG can only regulate the season & method of take. Know your rights and keep their ass in check. Governments only purpose is to protect Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness....... not to fine us through the wazooo to fund their ridiculous pensions. Remember, if they don't have (Corpus Delecti), then they don't have a case.