Are you prepared?

[wiredantz]

Stayed up a bit tonight to write the events that unfolded this past Saturday.

I hope someone out there can learn from my mistakes.



Are You Prepared?



“You need to spend more time with your children.”

Those of you with children have heard that phrase many times, coming from your significant other, especially in this sport.

What better way to spend time with your children than fishing?


Most of us, who have a passion to kayak have shared it already with them.
In the same way, I have taken my children many times.

But this time, it was very different.

Now most of you who know me personally, know that I am the boy scout of kayak fishing. At all times, I carry my VHF radio on my vest, a tourniquet, a water proof cell phone, and a whistle.
My son had his Type 1 life vest on.

On my kayak, I carry a flare gun, first aid, outriggers, a compass, manual bilge pump, and automatic bilge pump, and GPS.



The date: June 4, 2016
Conditions: Flat, high 90 degrees
Objective: To spend time with my son kayak fishing.
My son’s age: 7 in October
Time: 7am

The morning started with a blanket of fog at Cabrillo Beach, San Pedro. My best buddy was already on his way to the bait barge. I loaded up my son on the gator hatch and started paddling toward the bait barge.

My son starts up a conversation. “Dad how many times have you fallen off your kayak in the middle of the ocean. None, I answer my boy, but I do practice getting on my kayak just in case.”

After we loaded up with bait, we started trolling toward the break wall, and fished for bass at the wall. After a few short ones we decided to fish the markers.

Time: 10:30am
Wind kicks hardcore up to 25mph+ gust.

Daddy, I need to go to the rest room. No problem son, we start trolling back to the boat dock. Wakes and wind waves are not only crashing over the bow, but also to the starboard side.

Now while on the way back to the boat dock. Trolling rod goes off….Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz the reel starts spinning.

Daddy we got a fish. My son says.

I immediately open the hatch and reach for my gaff, and close my hatch.

This was no halibut just a regular old contaminated 15-inch Sand Bass.

O well….


We continue to the boat dock….

Tragedy Strikes:

Time: 10:45am

Dad, we are riding low.
I open up the same hatch, and now its filled up with water.
(I start panicking; I scoot up towards the bow of the kayak to flip the switch on the automatic bilge pump.)

NOTHING!!!!!HAPPENS (OMG) this has now escalated to a code 1 emergency

Time 10:45:15secs

My son Says: “I don’t want to sink!”

Plan B:

I grab the yellow hand bilge pump, and I start pumping so hard.
Up, down, up down, up down up down……. This thing its not getting us no where

Try to imagine it:
Just imagine that a lion is after you, and your trying to push a fat man into a tiny hole.
That is the exact feeling I had, when I was pumping for my life to get that water out.

Time 10:45:30secs A WAKE REACHES us. Its over….
Kayak completely waterlogs….

Time 10:45:45secs
My complete Bow is pointing almost straight down into the water; my stern was 75degrees up. My outrigger acting a pendulum for the kayak. I immediately picture the Titanic when my stern was completely up in the air.

Time 10:45:50secs

I try to find my wallet and keys as my hatch was wide open as it went under water

Time 10:45:55 sec

I look for my son; he is already swimming toward a fishing boat that is anchored 100ft away.

I look at my son, I look at my kayak, I look at my son, I look at my kayak.

If I was Lots wife (bible account) I would of already be turned to salt.

Scared, I start swimming after my son. In horrid fear I imagined Davey’s Jones locker taking my kayak down. I unzip my vest and grab my whistle, and start swimming and blowing my whistle to get the boaters attention.

The Fisherman pulls up his anchor and start motoring towards us.
My boy turns around and says DAD they see us!

I swim after my boy and grab him as I pull him ever closer to the boat.

Time 10:50

Two unknown fisherman come to our rescue. We get up onto his boat and they ask us…. What happened….???? (how the heck do I know I was in distress)
Kayak got waterlogged, nothing I could do to save it. The fisherman gives my boy a red towel to dry off.

I look back at my kayak, and its completely capsized, all my rods and go pros and batteries are facing Davie locker…


How fast the ocean can take it away I said.
I was immediately reminded of Ryan story when he got over flooded in the back side of Catalina.




The boater pulls up to the kayak and grabs what was floating around. Kayak had to be towed upside down for over a mile. Completely water logged.


There comes a time in every mans life, where he has to make a decision to call his wife.

That time had come….


Call to the wife:
Hi sweetie, there has been an emergency. We had to get rescued, I think I lost my wallet and keys. Bring the spare and extra clothes for Jonah.


My wife said, she had to drive home to get the clothes and spare as she was out doing chorus.



I am so dead, I told myself.

My son, told me “DAD that was crazy, as I was swimming I was thinking where the sharks were.”
Not one tear in his eyes, my boy was filled with adrenaline. He was in survivor mode.



We finally get to the boat dock, and thanked the boater for coming to the rescue.
It took 6 men to pull the kayak out of the water.

Thank you everyone for your kindness and help.


IT’S A miracle.
One, two, three, four, five… ALL MY RODS AND REELS ARE HERE….

My wallets and keys didn’t float away.

I called my wife not to come, that I still had them. She was relieved and my son spoke to her.

My son finally went to the rest room. It took almost 30 mins for the automatic bilge pump to pump all the water out or so it felt. (what failed a connector had disengaged)


Cost of accident $85.00

Lost a pelican case with a 12v 10amp battery in it, and some weights.

No cracks, no holes in the kayak. Did a complete water test for over 2 hours.


How did the water get in looking at the video it dawned on me…..



I will tell you…

I recently purchased a memory foam cushion for my butt, which blocks the two scupper holes behind my butt. The other two? My son put his feet on them and slowed the drainage of the water. Where did the water go…. Into the middle hatch that was not closed correctly.


My son arrived home and jumped into the swimming pool, I asked my phone if he wants to go again. He said yes, but not tomorrow i need more time.

Mother in law arrived and told me to leave my grandson and for me to get out.


washed my stuff for like 4 hours ....








Are you prepared… I wasn't.

[Bennyblanco]

Thanks for sharing, I had similar situation at the same place. Had to call the coast guard for help. Hobie kayak hole was puncture where the drive rest. Middle of January ice cold water. Lost all my gear. Things can get ugly pretty dammmm fast.:cheers1: glad you 2 are ok.

[Orca Winfrey]

Wow! Thanks for the reminder that no matter how prepared we think we are, there is always the little something that can make things go to hell in an instant. Your experience proves that PFDs are the first line of safety. POLA can be a beast. Glad you and your son are fine. He's sounds like a fantastic kid. Hope the wife wasn't too mad.

[King Saba]

Holy crap is a HUGE understatement. I'm extremely glad that you and your boy are safe. I take it that you have a Malibu stealth? The damn hatches leak progressively in such a subtle manner that you almost don't notice until there's a good amount of water in the hull.

It was a very unexpected situation, but you guys made it out safe with minimal gear loss and one hell of a story to tell at parties. And, to that, I think that is the best situation that one can hope for. This passion of ours is packed with an endless array of fun and satisfaction, but like anything in life there are risks and kayaking is no exception. Pretty harsh of the in-law to say that to you.

"All men die, but few ever really live", is what I believe in. But, hey who am I to say. I'm just some wild eye 20 something year old who likes to see the optimistic side of things.

To future safe trips for you and your boy.

And Sewer winds SUCK! Damn things turn on like a light switch at times.

[alanw]

You probably carry more safety gear than anyone here yet equipment failure, unexpected events, and panic still caused a dangerous incident. I think everyone that reads your story will learn something that may help them better prepare for an emergency situation on the water. I took my flotation out of my previous kayak and haven't put it inside my new kayak yet, which I will do now before my next outing. Thanks for reminding us how fast things can go bad and glad you and your son made it home.

[theluckypig]

how great to find out your son is a warrior!!! glad this is just another "i almost died" story to tell to your grandkids.... happy that you are safe and sound. :cheers1:

[OCPhisher]

Wow. Thank you for sharing. That hits home, because I fish in tandem kayak with my son all the time. Glad to hear you're all safe.

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[tunaseeker]

wow.... That's a scary situation to be in. Glad everyone is ok. I lost my whistle the other day. Gonna buy another one today!
:cheers1:
Todd

[Hunters Pa]

Thank you for posting! We are venturing out into an unforgiving environment. No fish is worth risking not returning to your family that is depending on you for so much. Bad enough to face an emergency alone, I can't imagine how it must have been being out there with your son. HUGE kudos for being prepared. Your son just learned the importance of proper preparation and planning for the unexpected.

[SDROB]

Man that had me on the edge of my seat.... Thanks for sharing! Thank god you and your son made it out safe!

[addicted2sp33d]

:eek:

Great writeup and really appreciate the reminder of how fast things can go south, even to the best.

[Harry Hill]

this is making me make up a safety list

[Harry Hill]

I think this would be the video we haven't seen yet. I'm glad it all turned out okay. I really had to laugh though when I read about you trying to figure out what was going wrong but your boy just abandoned ship and took off for rescue. Smart kid, let dad work out the details, he's getting in a boat.

[radastaff]

Glad you guys are ok.

those winds can get nasty there
I had a tough day getting back once

dealing with the wife
lots of honey-doos coming up
for ya's

[Dee84cali]

God is great! Glad ur ok


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[SDROB]

Lets see the video

[DanaPT]

Dangerous shit. The ocean doesn't care about you your kids goals plans or dreams.

[YakDout]

At least you both were wearing PFDs and didnt become part of another statistic. I would say besides checking the weather reports before hand you were pretty prepared.


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[Fishin' Magician]

Damn, you were very lucky that there were boaters nearby! Wow, quite a story.

I had a similar experience in a float tube out on Lake Crowley on Opening Day 10 years or so ago. Water temp was very cold, just after ice-out. Air temp was below freezing. But it was Opening Day of fishing season and we were itching to get out on the water.

It was nice and calm in the pre-dawn hours with ice still on the edges of the lake. Caught a few fish early. Winds suddenly came up later in the day, and all boats got off the water (small craft advisory). I found myself almost entirely alone with just my brother in law who was in his float tube a couple of hundred yards away, too far away to be of any assistance as he'd have to kick straight into the teeth of the wind to reach me.

My tube started losing air first in one of the chambers, and then in the other. Started to slowly sink and was totally at the mercy of the wind and the wind waves that were almost 3' high. Was being carried into the middle of the lake by the high wind. After what seemed like an eternity and with an incredible amount of effort was finally able to kick back to water shallow enough to stand up. I was totally and completely exhausted and doubt that I could have lasted another 10 minutes. Turned out that the seals on the inside of the both chambers had rotted after having been stored in the rafters in the garage all that winter. They held air just fine at home, but I should have checked them better before heading on the trip. My fault entirely and I almost paid a very heavy price indeed for being so complacent about it.

A harrowing experience and one that I will never forget. I now ride a kayak instead. But it just goes to show that emergency situations do and will come up at any time. BE PREPARED!

[Orca Winfrey]

At least you both were wearing PFDs and didnt become part of another statistic. I would say besides checking the weather reports before hand you were pretty prepared.


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I'm sure he did check forecasts. POLA winds are often way worse than the forecasts. I've had firsthand experience with that.

[Gigafish]

I've had a similar experience except my Malibu extreme filled through the bait tank opening. I was able bilge the water out with a hand pump but I was exhausted to continue fishing. I learned always to watch how my kayak sits on top of the water.

While out practicing launching and landing at D.P. I was doing great until I launched through a huge wave. Kayak flipped and the rod leash wrapped around my neck. It wasn't easy to get unwrapped only to be slammed by another wave. It was the end of practicing as I was dazed and exhausted.

While out of cherry beach in L.B.. I flipped my kayak only 200 yds from shore. It was during very bad conditions. I was the only kayaker that chose to stay out. I wasn't concerned with the waves because the waves are not that big. Flipped the kayak on a sneaker and lost everything. I was lucky to flip the kayak right side up only to have the kayak filled with water. I was lucky to get the kayak to shore dazed and exhausted.

Scupper holes and center hatch will keep a watchful eye as what could go wrong. Glad that you and your kid are ok.

Situations turn from 0 to 100000000............
Always be prepared.

[pingpangdang]

Glad you both are ok. A couple of days ago a young man went missing. Only 22 years old. Reportedly a wave knocked the two boaters in the water. One made it back to the bost to call Coast Guard...the other was never found. This was near Catalina Island. Both were not wearing flotation devices.

I stuffed my kayak with 6 pool noodles. It should at least keep the kayak from submerging completely. I have a diy livewell that can also be used as a bilge. Instead of letting it hang over the side pumping water into my bait tank I can grab it and place it inside to pump water out if necessary. I also bring floating fins for self rescue if required.

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[alanw]

I stuffed my kayak with 6 pool noodles. It should at least keep the kayak from submerging completely.

You sure 6 will keep it up? I mean if you're going to do it, you gotta put enough or it's like having none.

[Harry Hill]

You sure 6 will keep it up? I mean if you're going to do it, you gotta put enough or it's like having none.

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to just use pour foam, pour it in from the hatch to fill the bow and stern. if you use the light weight stuff you could fill to the hatches and have floatation plus it would take away space for water to fill.

[da22y]

This is much better than the noodles...

https://www.amazon.com/Harmony-Vinyl-Kayak-Floatation-Stern/dp/B0047H4A94/ref=sr_1_4?s=sports-and-fitness&ie=UTF8&qid=1465792036&sr=1-4&keywords=Harmony+Flotation+Bag%3A

[PapaDave]

This is better, IMHO...

https://www.amazon.com/GREAT-STUFF-Window-Insulating-Sealant/dp/B0002YX97K/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1465830735&sr=1-2&keywords=spray+foam

(It's only 3.99 at WalMart, and will fill a good portion of your hull)

[mpc]

RE : pool noodles. I recently added some to my boat project to fill some miscellaneous voids for more floatation. I did a crude water test with weight tied to a noodle because I was curious. It calculated out to a 4' Dollar Store noodle being able to float about 10 pounds of weight. Your mileage may vary.

[pingpangdang]

You sure 6 will keep it up? I mean if you're going to do it, you gotta put enough or it's like having none.
Not sure....if I had a pool it would be cool to do a video....found nothing on youtube. Any volunteer Mythbusters out there? My kayak is a beater yak (might upgrade in the future but it works for now) weight is a little under 50lbs unloaded. Should keep it from submerging down deep at least. I have one thick monster noodle as well 5-6" diameter.

On a surf day out on it I'll flood it up at the beach to find out.

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[pingpangdang]

Not sure....if I had a pool it would be cool to do a video....found nothing on youtube. Any volunteer Mythbusters out there? My kayak is a beater yak (might upgrade in the future but it works for now) weight is a little under 50lbs unloaded. Should keep it from submerging down deep at least. I have one thick monster noodle as well 5-6" diameter.

On a surf day out on it I'll flood it up at the beach to find out.

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It just gives me piece of mind if a big shark took a curiosity bite and punctured my hull. If i can keep the yak from going totally submerged I can at least have a floating barrier to try and hide from some teeth.

I'm more worried about driving to and from the beach than sharks. If it were to happen I'd rather have a semisubmerged kayak vice no kayak and just me and my pfd.

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[fongman]

This is better, IMHO...

https://www.amazon.com/GREAT-STUFF-Window-Insulating-Sealant/dp/B0002YX97K/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1465830735&sr=1-2&keywords=spray+foam

I was reading this thread (http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-repair-and-restoration/boat-restoration-building-and-hull-repair/316268-great-stuff-foam-filler-thoughts) on iboats.com about using Great Stuff for Marine applications. This one guy made a lot of sense. Take it for what it is worth. "Great stuff is great for sealing up around doors and windows in the house but for what you are intending I would say it sucks. Take one can of it and try to fill a one cubic foot cardboard box. Ain't gonna happen. On top of that it will be wet forever in thick sections. The pourable foam expand much more and is a two part mix that cures solid in about 15 minutes. It is worth the extra money but I don't think there is extra money."

I have researched the 2 part pour foam for one of my projects. It is the recommended type of foam for marine applications. It comes in different weights; 2lb, 4lb, 6lb, 8lb, etc. The weight refers to the weight of 1 cubic foot when using each of those foams. The heavier the foam, the higher the density and the harder the foam. The 2 and 4 lb density foams expand the most and are used for flotation. Here's a link (http://www.aeromarineproducts.com/product/low-density-flotation-insulation-foam/) to a SD company that carries it. Check out the FAQ if you have any questions. 1 cu ft of 2 lb density foam will float about 60 lbs, so your kayak would take about 1 cu ft of this foam. You would need the 1/2 gallon kit (1 qt of part A and 1 qt of part B) of the 2 lb density foam since it makes 2 cubic feet.

You have to work fast with it. After about 20 seconds of mixing, you have less than a minute to pour it before it starts to rise. In 3-4 minutes it is getting hard.

[jruiz]

So basically everyone is converting their sit on top kayaks to stand up paddle boards.

[Starsky]

Seriously guys, kayak fishing has been around a long time, things like this happen. I don't think we need to fill our hulls with foam, as long as we follow all the safety guidelines and keep a watchful eye, we can be prepared for a situation like this. It's not the first time and definitely won't be the last, I think you guys are over-thinking this.

[jorluivil]

Seriously guys, kayak fishing has been around a long time, things like this happen. I don't think we need to fill our hulls with foam, as long as we follow all the safety guidelines and keep a watchful eye, we can be prepared for a situation like this. It's not the first time and definitely won't be the last, I think you guys are over-thinking this.

That's a bit of an understatement.

I think I'll take some milk jugs, fill them with expanding foam, tie the milk jugs to buoys and stick them in my haul......that'll keep it from sinking.

[driftwood]

http://nocoolers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/PIII-27.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH7s-UnqbNAhUBRFIKHauLAWEQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnocoolers.com%2Fnrs-blog-article-mexico-boating-adventures-part-iii%2F&psig=AFQjCNEd_F28fRFsv4L5fJ-38nocObNa2A&ust=1465949652163187)

[fongman]

........ I think you guys are over-thinking this.
:doh:AGREED. I personally wouldn't do it, but if he is going to do it, he might as well do it right! :cheers1:

[2-Stix]

Good job being a good dad. The better halfs don't understand it, but that is exactly what you were. God had his hand on that day.

[wiredantz]

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=2759.0


Found this thread on nor call anglers,


I read through all of it, this guy tried x 30 closed foam made a mess, he concluded it needs to be added during the manufacturing process.

Mostly everyone concluded, stuffedd your kayak with pool noodles, put enough noodles that your kayak doesn't sink stern or bow first.

[vincentek9]

It's been a little while since i've posted much on this site. Glad you guys made it back safe and determined the what caused the water leak. And i'm very surprised that your gear was still there. Even the wallet and keys.

BTW, i'm the guy who scooped you and your son out of the water. ;)

[wiredantz]

It's been a little while since i've posted much on this site. Glad you guys made it back safe and determined the what caused the water leak. And i'm very surprised that your gear was still there. Even the wallet and keys.

BTW, i'm the guy who scooped you and your son out of the water. ;)



Thank you!

:cheers1:



We can not reveal any more information about this tragic incident.

[Hammerhead_77]

I had a recent trip where I ended up with over 3" of water in my PA...I guessed about 15-20 gallons...120-180 pounds! the water all came in through the rear hatch. the bait tank was not draining out through the scupper cleanly. I didn't notice until I was really tired trying to get back in against a tide...

like you, I suddenly realized that much of the emergency gear i carry is not going save the yak, just the people. That said, i don't need all that empty space in the hull for anything, so now its full of pool noodles.

[wiredantz]

Went to dollar tree and got 50 noodles for the pa 17t



Just in case


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/Mobile%20Uploads/20160615_182811_zpsubtrzmwa.jpg

[jruiz]

Just in case you run into 50 golden girls that want to do water aerobics?

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Just in case you run into 50 golden girls that want to do water aerobics?
19393

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[ceviche eater]

wow, thanks for sharing

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Went to dollar tree and got 50 noodles for the pa 17t



Just in case


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/Mobile%20Uploads/20160615_182811_zpsubtrzmwa.jpg
That's just crazy! "If you can afford it" , you could've just bought a skiff for that price, and have room for three people!!http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160616/e4cdaff223097edb2d019c979ea1b2f7.jpg

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[NICKWORN]

This dude is just weird as hell!!!!!!!! I wouldnt even feel safe kayak next to him, hes got some weird juju. I mean seriously 50 noodles?? I got 4 in my Outback along with the foam Hobie puts in from the get go and im sure she wont sink.

[Hunters Pa]

I don't think 50 is necessary, but whatever floats your boat.

Yes, our kayaks are heavy on land but the material they are made of is closer to neutral buoyancy that a rock or lead sinker. They will sink if filled with water unless there is supplemental buoyancy. A couple noodles should suffice.

I have also thought about one of those canned airhorns. It would be useful for signaling but I am thinking that it could also be used to displace water. If the kayak is semi- or fully-filled with water and keel-up in the water, you could deploy the airhorn inside the inverted hull. The compressed air released would displace the water in the essentially sealed environment, forcing it out through the hatches. Think of it as an inverted glass filled with water partially elevated out of a sink of water, then blowing bubbles through a bent straw into the glass from underneath. You would not be able to get all the water out but should be able to displace enough to pump out the rest once it is flipped right side up.

Could also used compressed air canisters that are used for cleaning computer keyboards and inflating car tires.

[ceruleandrms]

Tether your PA17 to this, buoyancy problem solved

[wiredantz]

Tether your PA17 to this, buoyancy problem solved


i think i should be able to get airborne with that.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/pa171_zpsg7t1hcgc.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/pa173_zpscoeqxqte.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/pa172_zpshu91vyxx.jpg

If all else fails ill make a raft to pull my kayak!
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[cell128]

Lmao just ride the duck strap some rod holders on that B and take it to county line

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[cell128]

Fish and game might call up the DEA when they look inside that hull looks suspicious.... also, just my theory but wouldn't the kayak ride higher? Making you more vulnerable to getting flipped by choppy conditions? But since they're not In the water yet it probably shouldn't affect the ride. Go out and report back 😃

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[jorluivil]

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[Hunters Pa]

also, just my theory but wouldn't the kayak ride higher? Making you more vulnerable to getting flipped by choppy conditions? But since they're not In the water yet it probably shouldn't affect the ride. Go out and report back ��

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If anything the kayak would ride slightly, but barely, lower. The kayak and its contents must displace a volume of water equal in weight. The addition of the noodles would add to the weight of the assembly with change to the exterior configuration of the body displacing the water.

Now, if you placed noodles UNDERNEATH the kayak instead of INSIDE, then the noodles would have net buoyancy due to their volume displacing the water, which weighs more per unit volume. The kayak would be lifted to the point that less water is displaced by the hull in the amount almost equal to the total volume of the noodle.

The reason for putting the noodle inside your kayak for safety is, if the hull fills with water, the kayak hull is no longer displacing the water beyond the volume actually occupied by plastic. The noodle inside the hull takes over displacing a smaller volume of water than the hull, but enough to keep the kayak from heading to the bottom.

think of it this way, if you are in a swimming pool and have a pool noodle, do you float higher when you hold the noodle over your head? No, because it is not displacing any water BUT it is contributing a small amount to the "assembly" of your body and the noodle. When you sit on the noodle it is submerged. The weight of the assembly has not changed, but WHAT is displacing the water HAS changed.

Sorry for the long-winded answer, but this is a pretty common misconception and the answer is not necessarily intuitive.

[jruiz]

How many pool noodles do I need in my hull to make my kayak into a hovercraft?

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[Silbaugh4liberty]

If anything the kayak would ride slightly, but barely, lower. The kayak and its contents must displace a volume of water equal in weight. The addition of the noodles would add to the weight of the assembly with change to the exterior configuration of the body displacing the water.

Now, if you placed noodles UNDERNEATH the kayak instead of INSIDE, then the noodles would have net buoyancy due to their volume displacing the water, which weighs more per unit volume. The kayak would be lifted to the point that less water is displaced by the hull in the amount almost equal to the total volume of the noodle.

The reason for putting the noodle inside your kayak for safety is, if the hull fills with water, the kayak hull is no longer displacing the water beyond the volume actually occupied by plastic. The noodle inside the hull takes over displacing a smaller volume of water than the hull, but enough to keep the kayak from heading to the bottom.

think of it this way, if you are in a swimming pool and have a pool noodle, do you float higher when you hold the noodle over your head? No, because it is not displacing any water BUT it is contributing a small amount to the "assembly" of your body and the noodle. When you sit on the noodle it is submerged. The weight of the assembly has not changed, but WHAT is displacing the water HAS changed.

Sorry for the long-winded answer, but this is a pretty common misconception and the answer is not necessarily intuitive.
Holy cow Bill Nye! Nice science report.

In regards to science, I'm still trying to figure out this whole flat vs globe earth
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[Harry Hill]

Holy cow Bill Nye! Nice science report.

In regards to science, I'm still trying to figure out this whole flat vs globe earth
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the earth has to be flat, otherwise our kayaks would keep trying to slide to the bottom and we could never get back to shore. It's science dude

[Silbaugh4liberty]

the earth has to be flat, otherwise our kayaks would keep trying to slide to the bottom and we could never get back to shore. It's science dude
[emoji23] that's awesome! I agree, it looks flat to me!![emoji6]

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[driftwood]

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[Hunters Pa]

Holy cow Bill Nye! Nice science report.

In regards to science, I'm still trying to figure out this whole flat vs globe earth
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I:D:D:D:D

I know, I know. But the question occasionally comes up and I did TRY to keep it brief but complete

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[wiredantz]

I decided to put pool noodles in my hull & i also installed a floating bilge pump.


For the Bilge Pump installation i bought:

1 ) The bilge pump w/ a floating switch built in:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B0L4ONM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

2) 90 degree though hull connector elbow:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002IV53CO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

3) Some 3m fast cure 4200, to keep the bilge pump in place



4) Used a 1" inch spade drill bit to make the hole through the kayak.
5)
I put a no return valve right after the pump so the water can not enter the kayak
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C7MI04M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

6) 3/4 tubing to connect it all and some metal clamps

http://www.lowes.com/pd/Watts-3-4-in-x-1-ft-Reinforced-PVC-Reinforced-Braided-Vinyl-Tubing/4330540


of course you will need a battery to connect it all .
How much is your kayak worth to you?


Can you afford to buy another outback, PA 12, PA 14, PA17?

Good preventive measures in case you start getting in water, in rough water. THe Bilge pump when connected straight to a battery should******* turn on by itself and start pumping out water.

[Harry Hill]

does it have a float switch?

[wiredantz]

does it have a float switch?

it has one built in,

If it actually works is another question :biggrinjester:

it has a test knob in the back, just make sure it works before any trip.