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[lamb]

These few recent comments inspired me to spin the thread on mechanics of posting... I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately. I’d be interested to see what other folks think on the subject.

Just like everything else on the internet, these fishing boards are constantly evolving. What these forums are today is nothing like what they used to be 4 or 5 years ago. There are no “policies and procedures” on internet posting. It kind of bothers me when I see people almost trying to create them. In my opinion, it is highly personal thing – post if wish, keep lurking if you don’t. Both is fine with all of us reading, I think.

The problem with public fishing internet forums is that you have a group of people that feel they are obligated to get other people’s intell... ?!? I personally believe that’s probably one of the biggest downers for these boards. It creates this negative vibe – one dark comment seems to have the same impact power like 10 positive ones.

There is no doubt there are numerous benefits of exchanging information on these forums. I’ll be the 1st one to admit that the information I soaked from the internet greatly reduced my learning curve in getting to know the ropes of South CA fishing. Anyone who tells you that they knew it all (and have made a daily routine to hang out on internet fishing boards), I think that’s BS.

Sure thing – nothing beats the time on the water. But having the place on the internet where you can exchange the info and reports with other people that are into the same game, get to know people and even strike some friendships – sounds great to me. This is especially true for kayak fishing. The sport is still pretty new, there are more and more folks getting into every day. There’s some dead serious information that they better soak on these boards before they venture in to the open ocean. I'm not even talking about fishing.

Judging whether someone is a sportsman based on whether they put up a report, “a timely report” (wow, deadline requirements), or don’t report at all, is rather... bold and silly, if you ask me.

In absence of free time to fish, I know that I, for one, dig and thoroughly enjoy other people reports. Good or bad days - it's all good. :cheers1:

It’s just fishing people. Reading these boards, it sometimes seems to me we’re getting way too serious about it.

[wavster]

Amen brotha!

...I'd post more, but I've got to wait a couple of days until the secret bite is over. lol

[tylerdurden]

:sleep::goodnight:

This subject has already been beat to death. Crowds suck. Want to see a crowd? put a wfo advertisement on a couple kayak sites or BD, AC etc then try and say the internet doesn't affect the crowds. There will be a couple hundred kayaks/boaters within days. If there were more easy launch spots and more coastline easily accessible it probably wouldn't be so bad.

When wcw is over, I will no longer have a reason to post fish, if I ever catch one again. I'll continue to fish and enjoy time on the water.

[wavster]

When wcw is over, I will no longer have a reason to post fish, if I ever catch one again. I'll continue to fish and enjoy time on the water.

Is this the last year of the WCW? :confused:

[lamb]

Is this the last year of the WCW? :confused:


No no.

We're just not going to let Tyler play next year. :D

[esdees]

I'm with you Adi. Post if you like, but don't think it means that everyone else should. Personally, if I'm going to submit something to WCW, I do it within a few days of catching it. The sooner the better, but I don't always have the time at home to get all the pictures up, and I refuse to do that much fishing related stuff at work.

I like sharing information, but it starts to suck when you know the vast majority of the people you're sharing with are holding back. That makes you want to stop sharing, and then you become one of the ones holding back.

[madscientist]

I don't really even read public reports anymore because I try to fish when I feel like fishing, which is often as much a function as having friends OTW as it is having specific intel on a bite. I've enjoyed the fact that WCW provides some goal and structure to my fishing and the extra motivation to get out of bed some mornings, but I've come to hate the element of feeling like I should care what somebody else catches. In fact, I've enjoyed this site much more since I figured out how to use the "ignore" list. If only it worked on the water.:D

[Handymansd]

There is no doubt there are numerous benefits of exchanging information on these forums. I’ll be the 1st one to admit that the information I soaked from the internet greatly reduced my learning curve in getting to know the ropes of South CA fishing.

I have been fishing for almost two years now and I still feel like a total Noob, I am ever learning and will continue to learn from the posts and experiences of other kayak anglers. I learn from talking, watching, and asking questions, as well as "gleaning" from the boards. So far it has not helped me catch anything:o!
But, I do greatly appreciate those that openly share their knowledge and experience with those of us that are still learning. If it weren't for the "crowds", the industry would leave all of us without the gadgets, toys, mothership trips, comradeship, and great stores like OEX, AYS, etc.

To those that do not wish to share... Good for you, none of us should feel any pressure to do, or post anything we don't want to! Except Brad... He needs a handicap of some kind anyway!!:D We are all out there to enjoy, soak in the beauty, the atmosphere, and, oh ya, to fish!

Post if ya want to...
Don't post if ya don't want to...

:party:

[tylerdurden]

Posting of fish reports versus tips and tricks are different. I don't have a problem posting and sharing info about what knots are best, what brand or # of line, what lures work and so on. When I first started some very generous people helped me when I was a newbie and I am thankful for that. The boards are a great resource, and almost all questions have been answered already if you look through the archives.

As for my feelings on fish reports, I already commented on that.

[Iceman]

I am considering posting all my reports here.......so nobody will see emlol

http://www.yakfishing.com/board/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=229c468ee7e3c814ead0ae88d7f6b906

[dorf]

Post if you have something to say or a question to ask.

I would love to post a report but I have been on such a dry spell this year I have nothing to report. I read other reports and that is enough to keep me going out in the hopes of catching “The Big One” to tell you all about.

I like to hear what people have to say and really like being able to help someone else out, if I can.

Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between good natured ribbing and a total A-Hole but in general most people who respond mean well. We have a great group of people on the site and I look forward to sharing the water with you.

[sdtangler]

I've gotten a lot of information on here over the past week, and I greatly appreciate the help. Everyone has been very generous with there knowledge. To me thats what these boards are for. If someone wants to give me more info then grate if not thats good to, with time on the water I will gain that knowledge. I love to be out on the water,Im at peace when Im fishing.Cant wait to meet some of you.

[Ed]

I am considering posting all my reports here.......so nobody will see emlol

http://www.yakfishing.com/board/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=229c468ee7e3c814ead0ae88d7f6b906


I miss Alan's old board. It was the original old school.................

[cabojohn]

what would be better for kayak fishing?
A scrambler or scupper pro?
What is a PFD and do I have to have one?

haha- flash backs to "old school" yakfishing dayz.
I feel old.:notworthy: Is that board still alive?

fwiw- I really enjoy other peoples reports good or bad...it helps getting through the day when I can't be on the water! I'm stoked for others that catch fish!!!
I enjoy "soul fishing" reports the most. Leave the location & details out, just wanna hear relaxing cool laid back stories.

** I look forward to Andy's before work bay report. That always gets me fired up.

I wish I had something positive or a good fishing story to report.:farmer:

[Dennis]

That site is still alive. I thought it would have died by now.

[Slay Rider]

http://clicks.robertgenn.com/images/featured_artist/taino/cave-painting-mural.jpg
The first documented fishing reports were posted on the walls of caves. Some of the prophets were fisherman and reported about their catch in the Bible. The one thing that is for sure, when you boys stop posting this place will dry up and fade away just like yakfishing.com did.

[nmbrinkman]

The first documented fishing reports were posted on the walls of caves. Some of the prophets were fisherman and reported about their catch in the Bible. The one thing that is for sure, when you boys stop posting this place will dry up and fade away just like yakfishing.com did.

But the Cavemen didn't have WCW.:D

[mg2969]

My 2 cents
I believe that you should post or not.
I harbor no ill will towards those that do not post at all, its their choice.
However, waiting weeks on posting seems kinda selfish.
In my opinion its like " I got mine, but I made sure you can't get yours".
A report to be worthwile should be relatively timely other than that its not a
report, its a brag sheet. Look at news reports what good would news report be
if the news was reported a week or 2 after an event occured, would anybody care.
What would I care about a stock market close 2 weeks ago when
I want to make a trade today,
I would care about what the market closed at yesterday and how the market is doing today.

The second part of the discussion is how BWE does business as forum.

I don't want anyone to think I am being negative towards BWE,
but really just an observation and comparasion.

I have heard the theme of yakkers and pb'ers trolling the reports yet not contributing.
If we look at other kayak website forums (e.g. kayaksportfishing, baytubers, etc...)
we notice that in order to view the forum, or at least the fishing reports,
you must be a MEMBER.
You cannot access the forums without credentials.
The second part is specific to baytubers which kills non-posting accounts after a period of time.

Just some thoughts to ponder and my 2 cent into the mix

MikeG

[steveooo]

I will continue to post. Probably not daily, maybe not every time I go out, but I will continue. Since my post yesterday I have already received a few p.m.'s from ass-hats that couldn't believe that I had the audacity to post a report like that on the public forum. "Do you know what the crowds will be like?" or "Thanks for spoiling it all":musicus:
The fact is, no one "discovered" kayak fishing. There are a few names we all know that have pioneered the sport, but I do not think that anyone here can claim that they discovered it. The same thing goes for la jolla. No one here discovered it or owns it. I started kayak fishing about five years go after a trip to Canada where all they had was kayaks. I got home, googled "kayak fishing" and a few sites came up, including this one. I have learned from this sit about tips, tricks, locations and a wealth of other information. I enjoy to read peoples reports when they post it. It allows me to escape from work momentarily and come back refreshed. I do not feel that people have any obligation to post, but I also think that it should be up to the individual whether or not to post. So, to the douche nozzles that have sent me a p.m. :the_finger:lolIf you do not like fishing reports, why were you so willing to read mine?!? Go to another site if you do not like fishing reports.
When I post, I hope someone can catch a fish from the info I put in the report. I hope that a noob learns something new that they did not know, and I hope that the old school guys enjoy reading someone elses report every now and then. Sorry, for such a long post. Just go out and fish instead.:argh:

[martuka]

"AMEN"!

[dorf]

Since my post yesterday I have already received a few p.m.'s from ass-hats that couldn't believe that I had the audacity to post a report like that on the public forum. "Do you know what the crowds will be like?" or "Thanks for spoiling it all":musicus:
How "F"ed up is that!
I read your report Steveoo and was stoked:notworthy:. Reading reports, like yours, motivates me to get out more often so that I, too, will have an epic story to share.

As for those no talent ass clowns who don't want "The secret to get out" . -
"If you don't like you can lump it, take it down the road and dump it!"
- Archie Bunker:the_finger:

[nmbrinkman]

Good points. The problem here is that not everyone is looking from the same perspective.

The "every once in a while La Jolla trip"er:
You make it out once in a while. Sometimes site on scene and sometimes when you see good reports on the board. For one reason or another your schedule doesn't permit the weekly trip. You get irritated when you missed a good bite because you either didn't get a call, didn't get a PM, or haven't seen a good report. Otherwise, what do you care if it's a late report. You don't care about hearing someones delayed story. You read it as bragging.

Then you've got the "atleast once a week"er:
They by the nature of odds, happen to be out during a bite. Generally they also have friends that get out either with them or when they're not out. They are the most productive for many reasons. La Jolla knowledge and experience and from getting the call or PM. They have the most to lose by the word getting out. I'm not saying they're wrong. Generally they've put in the time and look at the every once in a while guys who get irritated by not seeing a timely report as getting the worm but not being the early bird finding it. You enjoy reading the story, not the report. I'll also add that when the word gets out you find ski boats and those that seem commons sense is beyond them. That is bad for everyone.


Then there are the few, like me, who's trip vary. Sometimes I get out every weekend and sometimes I'm out of commision for a few weeks. Lately it's been the last few months but that's not the issue. I don't fish or "info-share" with other guys but in turn I don't get the PM when the bite is hot. I, by chance, met the bite head on this weekend. But I missed the January bite. When I'm not actively getting out and miss the bite, I envy the guys who get out a lot and/or get the PM. But like now, I understand why the "regulars" like the delayed reports. I enjoy the story but also get frustrated because a lot of times, it's not me.

One thing I must say is that this site is not going to die because of the lack of timely report. It's WCW, tournaments, Plasticman (formerly Ironman), the wealth of searchable information, and the photo album that keep a lot of us here. There is only one enemy we face which is a whole discussion in of itself. I find even the delayed reports are cool. It's putting names, personalities, and stories to faces that I find enjoyable. BWE is still relatively small and almost every trip I meet a member by chance. It's kinda the "small world" scenario that helps keep me around. Just something to think about...

[Dennis]

I will continue to post. Probably not daily, maybe not every time I go out, but I will continue. Since my post yesterday I have already received a few p.m.'s from ass-hats that couldn't believe that I had the audacity to post a report like that on the public forum. "Do you know what the crowds will be like?" or "Thanks for spoiling it all":musicus:
The fact is, no one "discovered" kayak fishing. There are a few names we all know that have pioneered the sport, but I do not think that anyone here can claim that they discovered it. The same thing goes for la jolla. No one here discovered it or owns it. I started kayak fishing about five years go after a trip to Canada where all they had was kayaks. I got home, googled "kayak fishing" and a few sites came up, including this one. I have learned from this sit about tips, tricks, locations and a wealth of other information. I enjoy to read peoples reports when they post it. It allows me to escape from work momentarily and come back refreshed. I do not feel that people have any obligation to post, but I also think that it should be up to the individual whether or not to post. So, to the douche nozzles that have sent me a p.m. :the_finger:lolIf you do not like fishing reports, why were you so willing to read mine?!? Go to another site if you do not like fishing reports.
When I post, I hope someone can catch a fish from the info I put in the report. I hope that a noob learns something new that they did not know, and I hope that the old school guys enjoy reading someone elses report every now and then. Sorry, for such a long post. Just go out and fish instead.:argh:

Well put, Steveooo. I never get pm's like that. But, you'd be damn sure I'd post it up on it's own thread... For all to see. lol What's next vehicle vandalism at the launch, and fights on the beach. It's not the lack of reports that will kill this site. It's sh*& like this. I used to pride myself for being a part of the kayakfishing community. Everyone helped each other out, or at least they used to. You don't need the internet for information on a "hot bite". Kayakers call kayakers... kayakers call boaters.. boaters call other boaters... boaters call there mom.. etc. Then LJ is crowded.
DAMN, ITS JUST FISHING PEOPLE!!!

[Holy Mackerel]

2-20-08

Fishing sucked for me this morning.

chris

[nmbrinkman]

2-20-08

Fishing sucked for me this morning.

chris


Apparently that's what everybody wants and needs Chris...

[tylerdurden]

The WCW "competitors," especially those at the top all share info with some of the others they are supposed to be competing with. Keeping reports private has nothing to do with keeping other WCW competitors in the dark for the most part. More information on these boards goes out, than comes in.

It's funny, all those that like to live through others reports and think everything should be publicly available, are the ones that have the least to offer. Maybe we should just bump reports from years ago to keep them entertained and enable them to live through others. lol I fish for my own amusement, not to amuse others.

Anyone notice that BD inshore reports have pretty much died off too? We've all seen those guys out there cashing in on the January run too. Reports attract not just crowds to the water but negativity and bickering on the internet. Anyone ever look at spearboard.com? Many of those guys are very protective of their spots becuase they know increased crowds put more pressure on fish, and often decrease their own chances.

Many of us got into kayak fishing to fish on our own terms and get away from a crowd. If I wanted to tangle with a bunch of other people I'd jump on a cattle boat.

I think the internet has given people in general a growing sense of entitlement to information, not just fishing either. People seem less willing to work for information, and think it should be readily available. In cases like fishing, some spend many hours for said information, and don't think others should freeload.

It's ironic that people complain about the crowds and tangling in posts, and yet still put it up, is that becuase you know you aren't coming back in the next couple days?

Just something to think about for anyone that fishes...
If you stumble on a wfo bite, and plan on fishing it the next 3 days, do you advertise it on the internet knowing what will happen crowd wise, and that all the extra lines in the water often spook fish, that people will be trolling all over each others lines including yours? Or do you instead share the info with a couple of your closest fishing buddies instead so you can fish it the way you want. If you aren't going to fish it the next couple days, do you post it and spoil it for those that also stumbled on it?


People are never going to agree on this issue and it won't go away. Just some of my thoughts. Plus I wanted to throw some more fuel on the fire. I'll sit back and watch it burn now. It's not like this topic hasn't been beaten to death already.

:sleep: :shot:

[nmbrinkman]

I will say that a winter bite doesn't seem to be affected by crowds and idiots as much as surface bite.

[madscientist]

Spend a few days in Baja and none of this shit matters. Bring on the MLPA!

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwegallery/data/559/IMGP0465s.JPG

[Holy Mackerel]

Here ya go, found everything anyone would need to know about posting on the internet... :p

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

[dorf]

Here ya go, found everything anyone would need to know about posting on the internet... :p

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting
That was great!
Thanks for posting it.

[Handymansd]

Thats good!:luxhello:

[madscientist]

Here ya go, found everything anyone would need to know about posting on the internet... :p

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

Better email that link to Froman.:D

[Corey]

lol. Good link Chris.:D

[Siebler]

I like Tylers Idea of bumping old reports to give people something to look at :the_finger:

Like he said, the reason no reports are posted on time is that for most people it is not their bite, thats defiantly why Nate and I have not posted reports right away. Ive been told of hot bites and im going to respect that I did not discover the bite and its not mine to post about. Of course there is something to do with how I can fish every morning these days :D

I just want to know when the Threshers move in, still looking for a kayak First, im always out of town when it happens. Last year I was having a great trip at the river. Then austin called and said Troutman got one, kinda made my stripers and smallies look weenie ;)

[lamb]

This thread is finally catching on some fire... :)

What's wrong with the ski boats Nate!? :D

[nmbrinkman]

What's wrong with the ski boats Nate!? :D

You're just the type I'm talking about;) ..


It's the guys that spend most their time at elsinore and get wind of a good report and start trolling over lines and motor through kelp...


http://www.mastercraftboatsonline.com/images/mastercraft.jpg

[esdees]

Or when they haul ass through a small area surrounded by anchored boats and kayaks with dive flags out... that's a good way to kill someone.