120K for poaching OUCH!!!

[driftwood]

It would of been a little cheaper had they bought it at the fish market. :eek:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/whats-now/sd-me-poachers-charged-20160914-story.html

[jruiz]

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2015/09/08/9_8_2015_2constitution8201_s878x661.jpg?005eb08989 d210a6fafe153f1a73ce3003ae8e3c

[Mahigeer]

WTG wardens.

[driftwood]

These guy's are idiots!!! don't they know you don't need a fishing license to poach?

[PapaDave]

Just one of the reasons I buy a license and not get upset about it. Good job DFW.

[Saba Slayer]

X2 WTG wardens.

[TylerJones62]

Boy, that's dedication right there. The wardens jumped in after the bag when Jeong threw it overboard...

[ful-rac]

These guy's are idiots!!! don't they know you don't need a fishing license to poach?

I'm sure they know now!

You have a constitutional right to fish, hunt, poach, take whatever you want, and as much as you want. It's guaranteed by the constitution, and the california constitution, and the bill of fishing rights, also approved by the CPA (California Poachers Association). You don't need a fishing licence!

I would Estoppel the evidence and file a escheat immediately! Take these steps to pro se innocence you will resjudicata the hearing and exparte you emminent domain.

[Mr_Fixit]

I am glad they busted and prosecuted them. I cant tell you how often I see people keeping fish that should be tossed back. Some people just dont care. Its interesting how it seems most these offenders are from a certain far east country.

Yeah, people complaint about a fishing license. Its use is disputable. But laws around the sizes of fish you can keep make way more sense. Also laws around what species you can keep and when you can obtain them make sense.

[Hunters Pa]

I am glad they busted and prosecuted them. I cant tell you how often I see people keeping fish that should be tossed back. Some people just dont care. Its interesting how it seems most these offenders are from a certain far east country.

Yeah, people complaint about a fishing license. Its use is disputable. But laws around the sizes of fish you can keep make way more sense. Also laws around what species you can keep and when you can obtain them make sense.

Spend some time on a pier or jetty and you will see people of ALL origins poaching.

[RK]

they should publicly stone poachers.......

[jorluivil]

They should of called Wiredantz for advice

[Mr_Fixit]

Spend some time on a pier or jetty and you will see people of ALL origins poaching.

I did. That is how I got started in ocean fishing. You are right. Lots of people do it. But there are also trends.

[Silbaugh4liberty]

It's pretty funny how brainwashed people are. You have a computer in your hand and yet your too damn lazy to look up websters Dictionary.

Poaching Defintion= noun
1.
the illegal practice of trespassing on another's property to hunt or steal game without the landowner's permission.
2.
any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

So did they poach by definition? No, and you gladly congratulate the DFG for busting a couple OLD guys for a dozen abalone, and 3 lobsters, and yet your completely clueless on the REAL FACTS. Every single year the commercial industry has been gaining revenue and yet it hasn't rung a bell yet.

Lets explore the facts:At the height of the Abalone Commercial Fishing Industry was bringing in 2000 metric tonnes of abalone. Let's put this in perspective for you. 4,408,000 Pounds of Abalone from the Commercial fishing industry! Of course the depletion of the resource didn't happen from recreational fishermen, but from commercial fishermen. Since then farming of the abalone become a major effort since it was the commercial fishermen who F***ed up the resource. Of course they don't ban or hardly put restrictions, but started farming.

Now, lets look at commercial fishing of Spiny Lobsters, because those evil fishermen took 3 (2 weeks before the season, how dare they). Here's a paragraph I found from the Monterey Research Facility:Establishing the import and export figures for California spiny lobster is rather complicated due to the lack of delineation of the term “lobster” in most databases. However, the 2010 ex-vessel value of the California lobster fishery was $11.13 million in 2010 (CalCOFI 2011). This is up from the $7.89 million in 2009, and the previous high of $8.06 million set in 2006 (CalCOFI 2011).
The majority of the lobster caught in California is exported and shipped live (as they cannot be tailed for market) to Asian countries, particularly China, in the last several years (Barksy pers.comm. 2012).

Did you read that??? $11 Million in revenue, for 400 Metric Tonnes (881,848 lbs) of Lobster, most of which is being EXPORTED!!! You people gladly encourage exporting your resource meanwhile frown on a 75 year old guy keep 3 lobsters - 2 weeks out of season. THIS IS INSANE!!! THINK, IT AINT ILLEGAL YET!!

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.

[ful-rac]

I did. That is how I got started in ocean fishing. You are right. Lots of people do it. But there are also trends.



I found this graph that might support your claims...

































































http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u217/pksbshp/Trends_zpsghjlfnma.jpg (http://s169.photobucket.com/user/pksbshp/media/Trends_zpsghjlfnma.jpg.html)

[ful-rac]

As you can see the vietnamese poaching is off the charts!

[Caden]

As you can see the vietnamese poaching is off the charts!

Let me get this right Tony, we all race poaching ok and not all Viet is bad bro and tho 2 got caught they not even Viet, are a lot of Korean people live on garden grove? That just my 2 cent bro, btw he talking about u Roby

[smokie]

Its interesting how it seems most these offenders are from a certain far east country.


This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I've seen on this board. If you've been fishing long enough, you'll come to learn that poaching has no race...people of all colors poach and its a problem.

I'm diggin' that chart Ful-Rac...lol.

[jorluivil]

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[FISH11]

I personally think the rest of us should get to use poachers as SHARK BAIT!

[Gr8fuldude]

Criminals often factor in fines/jail time as "the cost of doing business" should they get caught. It's a big ocean, and since DFW can't police all of it all the time, one's chances of getting caught are pretty low. Therefore I see the excessive fines as necessary to make the criminals reconsider their cost/benefit calculations.

I agree with you on one thing, Silbaugh. Let's not call them poachers, when in fact they are CRIMINALS :cheers1:

[Wyota]

Silbaugh,

If you are using the online links (looks like you used dictionary.com instead of Websters), as your example, then let's use the entire definitions

Further down in dictionary.com, it also states poach as a verb, that among others includes the definition "to take game or fish illegally".

At the Webster's link, it also states "also: to take game or fish illegally".

Let's not cherry pick parts of the definition, let's source the entire definition if we are going to use a dictionary as our source

Just on a historical note, both mention the word's origin in middle England. That helps explain the "landowner" part, because back then, the land and the game upon it belonged to the lord who owned the lands.

Looks like both Websters and dictionary.com have included the more modern definition of the term. Even Oxford dictionary from England has updated it to include "Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own, or in contravention of official protection." In this case, official protection would be the gamelaws.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poach
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/poaching
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/poach


And for the record, I deplore poachers of all types, both private and commercial. You see it all the time, folk with too many lobsters, too many fish, undersized fish. All because the either think the rules don't apply to them, or think that they are the exception. It is, pure and simple, a case of where there is no sense of community or tribe. Folks are out for what benefits them alone, and to heck with how it affects those to their left and their right.

It's pretty funny how brainwashed people are. You have a computer in your hand and yet your too damn lazy to look up websters Dictionary.

Poaching Defintion= noun
1.
the illegal practice of trespassing on another's property to hunt or steal game without the landowner's permission.
2.
any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

So did they poach by definition? No, and you gladly congratulate the DFG for busting a couple OLD guys for a dozen abalone, and 3 lobsters, and yet your completely clueless on the REAL FACTS. Every single year the commercial industry has been gaining revenue and yet it hasn't rung a bell yet.

Lets explore the facts:At the height of the Abalone Commercial Fishing Industry was bringing in 2000 metric tonnes of abalone. Let's put this in perspective for you. 4,408,000 Pounds of Abalone from the Commercial fishing industry! Of course the depletion of the resource didn't happen from recreational fishermen, but from commercial fishermen. Since then farming of the abalone become a major effort since it was the commercial fishermen who F***ed up the resource. Of course they don't ban or hardly put restrictions, but started farming.

Now, lets look at commercial fishing of Spiny Lobsters, because those evil fishermen took 3 (2 weeks before the season, how dare they). Here's a paragraph I found from the Monterey Research Facility:Establishing the import and export figures for California spiny lobster is rather complicated due to the lack of delineation of the term “lobster” in most databases. However, the 2010 ex-vessel value of the California lobster fishery was $11.13 million in 2010 (CalCOFI 2011). This is up from the $7.89 million in 2009, and the previous high of $8.06 million set in 2006 (CalCOFI 2011).
The majority of the lobster caught in California is exported and shipped live (as they cannot be tailed for market) to Asian countries, particularly China, in the last several years (Barksy pers.comm. 2012).

Did you read that??? $11 Million in revenue, for 400 Metric Tonnes (881,848 lbs) of Lobster, most of which is being EXPORTED!!! You people gladly encourage exporting your resource meanwhile frown on a 75 year old guy keep 3 lobsters - 2 weeks out of season. THIS IS INSANE!!! THINK, IT AINT ILLEGAL YET!!

[jorluivil]

Just called the production line and talked to Smiling Mike, told him to get lines 3 and 4 going because we're gonna need more popcorn

[jorluivil]

Who's up for a friendly wager on how long it'll be before this thread gets closed?

[jruiz]

Who's up for a friendly wager on how long it'll be before this thread gets closed?

Wouldn't that be by definition, violating their first amendment rights? I think moderators would be better off writing a letter to cease and desist under the guidelines that if they continue to violate forum policy that they may be within their rights to ban the individuals.

[Iceman]

I am going to ban the next person to post something stupid in this thread............ready Go!

[jorluivil]

I am going to ban the next person to post something stupid in this thread............ready Go!



Wait....what do you consider 'stupid'?

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Silbaugh,

If you are using the online links (looks like you used dictionary.com instead of Websters), as your example, then let's use the entire definitions

Further down in dictionary.com, it also states poach as a verb, that among others includes the definition "to take game or fish illegally".

At the Webster's link, it also states "also: to take game or fish illegally".

Let's not cherry pick parts of the definition, let's source the entire definition if we are going to use a dictionary as our source

Just on a historical note, both mention the word's origin in middle England. That helps explain the "landowner" part, because back then, the land and the game upon it belonged to the lord who owned the lands.

Looks like both Websters and dictionary.com have included the more modern definition of the term. Even Oxford dictionary from England has updated it to include "Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own, or in contravention of official protection." In this case, official protection would be the gamelaws.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poach
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/poaching
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/poach


And for the record, I deplore poachers of all types, both private and commercial. You see it all the time, folk with too many lobsters, too many fish, undersized fish. All because the either think the rules don't apply to them, or think that they are the exception. It is, pure and simple, a case of where there is no sense of community or tribe. Folks are out for what benefits them alone, and to heck with how it affects those to their left and their right.
You're absolutely right, if we're gonna mention illegal/ legal you can't ignore a law dictionary (blacks law).....

In English criminal law. The unlawful entry upon land for the purpose of taking or destroying game; the taking or destruction of game upon another's land, usually committed at night. Steph. Crim. Law 119, et seq.; - Sleph. Comm. 82.

Law Dictionary: What is POACHING? definition of POACHING (Black's Law Dictionary)

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[Silbaugh4liberty]

20114

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[wiredantz]

Blacks law dictionary 10th edition



60k fines, and you guys were worried they would go bankrupt with out our fishing licenses.


Soon to be called fishing tax.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/IMG_20160915_230018_zpsg3xomhpt.jpg

[wiredantz]

They should of called Wiredantz for advice



I would of told them to slip some bills to orange county clerk, but he got busted.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/dozen-people-including-former-oc-superior-court-clerk-indicted-bribery-scheme-fix-0

[Aaron&Julie]

This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I've seen on this board. If you've been fishing long enough, you'll come to learn that poaching has no race...people of all colors poach and its a problem.

I'm diggin' that chart Ful-Rac...lol.

It's not ignorant at all, it's just an observation, just like it's an observation that more black young men do drive by shootings than young white men, even though young white men outnumber them. To think otherwise is ignorant.

Of course people of ALL races poach, there's just a tendency that seems to lean towards the very FACT that people from the far East do it more often percentage-wise as a race. To think otherwise is also ignorant.

Aaron

[ceruleandrms]

I can't wait til someone, ANYONE catches something so we can all talk about that and put this to rest. Just sayin'.........

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[MITCHELL]

Lobster & abalone the "old" guys took before they got caught,or maybe the old guy played by the rules his whole life and said F... it...I'm going to eat an abalone dinner before I die.....all the more reason to have a lottery for the taking of abalone

[Silbaugh4liberty]

I would of told them to slip some bills to orange county clerk, but he got busted.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/dozen-people-including-former-oc-superior-court-clerk-indicted-bribery-scheme-fix-0
Last year over a dozen judges, and 450 (yes you read that right 450!) prosecutors were thrown off cases for corruption! And people keep worshipping the state!

Amazing!!20115

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[Silbaugh4liberty]

I can't wait til someone, ANYONE catches something so we can all talk about that and put this to rest. Just sayin'.........

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They said these guys had 3 lobsters (2 weeks out of season), and 12 abalone. I pointed out how the commercial fishing industry wrecked the abalone and had to result to farming to keep up with commercial demands 4,400,000 lbs of abalone fished. And lobster brought in almost 900,000 lbs (same numbers it did in the 60's. Meanwhile, we're exporting most of these two things to China, Vietnam, etc. So nobody gets pissed at millions of pounds of our resources being exported for profits, and yet are outraged over 3 lobster and a dozen abalone??

And at the same time, misuse the word poach, negating the legal definition of the word
[emoji38]

The Cognitive Dissonance is so thick in the chat I could cut it with a spoon!!!

20116

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[Silbaugh4liberty]

Having some fun with the memes!!


2011720118

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[ful-rac]

I think we have gone off the deep end here! :eek:


A poaching thread turned into Asian poachers, scientific graphs, constitutional rights, learning about the definition of certain words, black drive by shootings, doubling down on Asian poachers, public official corruption, conspiracy theory, memes by the meme King...

What next?!

[Silbaugh4liberty]

I think we have gone off the deep end here! :eek:


A poaching thread turned into Asian poachers, scientific graphs, constitutional rights, learning about the definition of certain words, black drive by shootings, doubling down on Asian poachers, public official corruption, conspiracy theory, memes by the meme King...

What next?!
Hey, you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

I just refuse the Kool aid [emoji6]

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[RedSledTeam]

Must be the Full Moon...20119

[Murray]

It's not ignorant at all, it's just an observation, just like it's an observation that more black young men do drive by shootings than young white men, even though young white men outnumber them. To think otherwise is ignorant.

Of course people of ALL races poach, there's just a tendency that seems to lean towards the very FACT that people from the far East do it more often percentage-wise as a race. To think otherwise is also ignorant.

Aaron

One of webster's definitions of race is: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits. I trust that you are not inferring that crime is related to the physical characteristics of any certain race.

[acorad]

Heck of a nice looking boat for a couple of poachers.

Andy

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Heck of a nice looking boat for a couple of poachers.

Andy
Oh good lord! Let me ask you, do you ever go over the speed limit? Don't lie, I know damn well everyone here does, or has done it. People drive crazy here in California, but we don't go around calling them killers because they're launching a 3,000lb projectile wrecklessly at high speeds on roadways among thousands of other wreckless 3,000lb pieces of equipment do we? Essentially it's the same analogy. Can't wait to see how many people get tickets over a 1/4 inch short lobster when season starts in a few weeks so I can start labeling these people as poachers too!! Lol/jk.

20120

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[WARRIORMIKE]

I remembered a time I went poaching. Poached inside an ex-girlfriend of mine once. I took something illegal back too. Should of used the "Jimmy"

Thank gawwd for antibiotics

[Aaron&Julie]

One of webster's definitions of race is: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits. I trust that you are not inferring that crime is related to the physical characteristics of any certain race.

Not at all, it's just a numbers thing, not a racist thing at all, and if you think that's the case then you belong in the ignorant group.
I NEVER said white people don't poach or commit crimes, or far Eastern people aren't good, or that black people are the ones committing all the crimes.
Go back to my post, and state facts that prove I'm wrong about what I DID say.
You can't, so why did you even both looking up the Webster's definition of race and quoting it word for word? Don't read into what I said as anything but an observation.
I didn't show graphs a-la ful-rac, nor I did single out a single race. When I mentioned about drive by shootings, it was what I saw with my own eyes long ago, having lived in Compton, Inglewood and Lennox, when I was young. I forget which one it was, Crips shooting Bloods, or Bloods shooting Crips. It doesn't matter, but when I moved into a white neighborhood, the shootings and stabbings I saw first hand didn't happen...just saying...observation-wise.

What I said was about %s and occurrences, in both cases I am correct.

But, whoever mentioned it earlier, man oh man kayak fishing must be lousy right now, this crap belongs on FB.

Oh, the yellowfins are on a tear right now off of San Diego...go get 'em!

[Aaron&Julie]

I remembered a time I went poaching. Poached inside an ex-girlfriend of mine once. I took something illegal back too. Should of used the "Jimmy"

Thank gawwd for antibiotics

Funny stuff. Yeah a mulligan wouldn't have worked.