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PAL

04-16-2009, 02:14 PM

Let's have some fun at La Jolla while pumping up our war chest for the MLPA fight.

This is a planning discussion, so please jump in with ideas.

Two deals - biggest single fish for the trophy team, and heaviest 3 calicos for the bass crew. Fish to be weighed on the water on the support / photo boat. Beer, sodas, maybe a bbq. How about we invite the spearos too?

June 27 has a nice rising tide and no tournament conflicts as far as I can see. Did I miss something?

Competition and prizes are nice, but the point here is to raise dough to protect La Jolla and our other fisheries. I'm thinking $50 entry, with merchandise prizes for the winners or a modest cash payback. The money will go straight into the MLPA lobbying effort via the KFACA's allies at the Partnership for Sustainable Oceans. If you've been encouraged by recent positive headlines, this is how they happen.

Sound off if you're game. Don't make me post the closure maps to you remind you what's at stake. :(

And while we're at it, is there any interest in an informal MLPA informational workshop? Brent has offered to host at one of the OEX shops in the past.

Come on with the feedback! Every part of this idea is up for discussion.

Paul

buttchaser

04-16-2009, 02:22 PM

I'm in Paul , Great Idea!

THE DARKHORSE

04-16-2009, 02:32 PM

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say maybe a tournament sooner than that and Possibly more than one. Since I've never organized a tournament I can only imagine the work involved. Then the idea of trying to concentrate as many anglers as possible at that one tournament comes to mind, but I'd be willing to set a few dates aside. Thanks again for all the hard work you do, just thinking out loud, either way I'm in.

nabeeko

04-16-2009, 02:38 PM

Great way to get involved!
I'm in. Thanks for the setup Paul!

kurt

04-16-2009, 02:52 PM

I'm in. What were you thinking as far as teams went?

tylerdurden

04-16-2009, 03:18 PM

I'll donate, again. Even if I don't actually fish the tournament.

landwhale

04-16-2009, 03:38 PM

I am in and like the format bass and biggest fish, maybe you could add a spearo division or add them to biggest fish. I think it would be a good thing to offer an info night in SD and if it works we could have one in OC after that.

PAL

04-16-2009, 04:56 PM

That's an encourging start. Do you prefer merchandise prizes, or a percentage payback (maybe 20%?) to the winners? Big fish and bass would be separate contests. And I would like to invite the free divers - we're working closely with them. Any issues?

MVC

04-16-2009, 06:39 PM

Kurt wrote: 'm in. What were you thinking as far as teams went?

I am in but I would like to be on Josh's team.

Quilted Germ

04-16-2009, 08:57 PM

I like the idea of a workshop...and the tourney sounds like a great way to donate some cash to the cause. I want in.

PAL

04-16-2009, 09:01 PM

No teams - every man for himself. That's the kayak fishing way! ;-)

I want to ask straight out - would more people sign up for $40? But on the other hand, this is really about keeping what's ours. Can you find $50 for that?

Tman

04-16-2009, 09:42 PM

Fo' Fitty, I'll take the Topless Kayak washing thing, if that's ok.
Don't do well in tournies and a heck of alot cheaper than going to the Purple Church...:sifone:

The Fishcatcher and I are in...great idea Paul...:you_rock:

Josh, I'm hooking Clay's MiniX to the back of your yak...

Woo-hoo! First voter for topless yak washing....doh!

MVC

04-17-2009, 06:04 AM

I would be in for $50.00 and sign up my 17 year old son also.

Holy Mackerel

04-17-2009, 06:41 AM

I'm in... I could be interested as a spearo. Maybe no seperate divisions, mano a mano.... could be a fun challenge between speardivers, kayakers.

I think keep it simple, just a payout, unless manufacturers are coming fwd. to donate stuff. That would be nice, but don't want you to have to have to work hard to get stuff.

let me know how I can help.

chris

Edit: I am fine with $50. But just a thought, I am thinking maybe less entry fee to encourage more participants. No payout, this is for our fishing rights, I don't care for money payout. I don't necessarily need it. How about a nice Trophy, "King of La Jolla 2009" :biggrinjester:

landwhale

04-17-2009, 06:51 AM

No payouts maybe someone could donate prizes.

Holy Mackerel

04-17-2009, 08:01 AM

Food can be kept simple to keep expenses down, hot dogs, or burgers, chips, soda... COSTCO I really think the most money that can go to the cause as possible, is important.

Nothing worse than fishing in a tourney to the last possible minute, then coming in to NO food left & starving... just saying... ;):)

PAL

04-17-2009, 09:50 AM

Keep the ideas coming! Lots of good stuff.

How about we set the entry at $35 or $40, with trophies and / or merchandise prizes and all the funds dedicated to fighting the MLPA? But don't expect me to round up too much, in this economy the freebies are hard to come by. I'm sure I can come up with a 'yak, maybe two.

Holy Mackerel

04-17-2009, 02:16 PM

And while we're at it, is there any interest in an informal MLPA informational workshop? Brent has offered to host at one of the OEX shops in the past.

Paul,

I would be interested in an informal MLPA informational workshop. I try to keep up everything as best I can, but all the acronyms, and stages of the process get me turned all around.

If anyone else who is reading this thread is interested, please post up, it will the organizers accomplish this.

chris

1Flatfish

04-17-2009, 07:31 PM

Is a potluck a bad idea if there's lot's of people? We can bring food to share so no money goes to food and more goes to the cause. And I'm sure everybody has stuff to donate for a raffle or prizes. Old/extra fishing gear, whatever. Maybe silent auction some donated stuff. All proceeds go to the cause! All I'm saying is, The stuff is fun, but even that costs money. I want all my money going to fight the good fight, not kayak butt pads or bags of old Gulp.

Wayne

Holy Mackerel

04-18-2009, 06:32 AM

fryguy

04-18-2009, 03:37 PM

im in too.

and I'll donate any winnings that I get to the fight.

(don't worry..I'm a noob....I only catch bait)

dsafety

04-18-2009, 06:41 PM

I'm a marketing guy and this kind of thing gets my juices going.

How about this as an idea. Since most of us are not good enough fishers to win anything, forget offering a cash prize and promote the tournament as a way to help the cause. The winner(s), in various categories would get something small like a trophy, t-shirt or some other nominal reward.

Everyone who enters would have an equal chance at raffle type prizes, some purchased with entry fees, others donated. Winners should not have to be present to win in case some people give up and head out early.

If this idea is adopted, someone should hit up all the usual suspects with a vested interest in this project to try to build up as big of a prize cache as possible.

My guess is that almost every business that relies on coastal fishing for some of its income will want to participate. At the minimum they should be willing to offer prizes at their cost. Many others will look at this as a way to earn a tax deduction and donate surplus or outdated inventory. It could be a win-win for everyone.

In addition, everyone who enters would be invited to attend a BBQ with food and maybe drinks provided. Depending on where the party is held, serving alcohol may be a problem and maybe you will have to charge for these kinds of drinks. I recommend against a dry event because that would significantly reduce attendance. Those who attend the BBQ could be offered the opportunity to buy additional raffle tickets.

Those who want to support the cause will not be influenced by the cost up to about $50. Maybe you could offer a family discount for two or more people and some sort of a "corporate" sponsorship.

Assuming that this or something similar is adopted as the plan, the most important thing will be to sell the event. I am sure that there are many of us in the kayak fishing community who could help in this area. I am throwing my hat in. Anyone else interested?

Bob

dorado50

04-18-2009, 07:58 PM

No need to turn something so simple into major production. A simple cheap trophy to the winner. Bring a dish from home for lunch. This is about the fight against the mlpa, not a bling thing for the entrants. 98 % of all monies to go to the cause.

bellcon

04-18-2009, 08:49 PM

dorado50 said:

No need to turn something so simple into major production. A simple cheap trophy to the winner. Bring a dish from home for lunch. This is about the fight against the mlpa, not a bling thing for the entrants. 98 % of all monies to go to the cause.

:iagree:
or 99.9% goes to the cause...(simple cheap trophy...$50?, which would be the entrance fee for one guy...)

THE DARKHORSE

04-18-2009, 11:30 PM

I think a potluck is a good idea to save costs. I know the spearos have had auctions for their used gear to go towards MLPA funds. It isn't about getting what you would selling privately, just getting some $ for the cause, but a bidding war can happen too. And someone walking away with a great deal on gear.

Does anyone have problems with having spear divers (kayak or shore divers only) enter?

"I'd like to see a mano a mano comp, between groups, and also comraderie at the end of the day. We all need to stick together in this fight!"

chris

I think comraderie at the end of the day is a given, but a competition between kayak (hook and line) anglers and spearos will never be mano a mano. This would be like a race between a car and a plane with two equally talented drivers. Especially when White Seabass are around. I have mucho respect for spearfisherman, plenty of hardcore local waterman, but in my opinion that's not a fair competion. These fish are all over the place in the kelp, but absolutely refuse to bite most of the time. I'm well aware of all the challenges involved in blasting WSB with the cold shaft, but no comparison as far as a competition between the two. I would love to see a huge spearo turn out, and I'm sure they would have more fun competing against each other, "mano a mano".

That said, I could care less about taking home a big cash prize. I'll go ahead and make a spot in my case for that blue ribbon, though :p. This is for the fight of our fishery, that just might be closed "forever". I would have no problem with a $50 entry fee, but agree we shouldn't exclude anyone who feels that's a little steep. Whether we're dealt a seven deuce off suit or a pair of aces we should do everything we can to extract maximum dollar, my .02 .

Tman

04-19-2009, 12:05 AM

Sweeeeet.....someone else voted for this choice set by Paul...

Let's do something else instead. Topless kayak wash anyone?

I think a potluck is a great idea, I have been to 2 of the Baytubers events, and it worked out well, no, great. Especially nice was how everyone felt part of the vibe since they pitched in. I also think bringing gear you don't use for a raffle is a great idea, with all monies donated to the cause, and maybe allow those that sell things related to kayak/spearing to partake as well.

Awarding the winner a trophy is absurd. They are not made of silver anymore, and all you can do is put them on a desk, a mantle, wherever. A plaque framed in wood would be better, just my opinion, or 2 centavos.
Cost would be roughly the same, and a tradition would be carried on for the next event.

As mentioned, a raffle is a grand idea for the fact that you would have to buy extra tickets to increase your odds with the profits from the tickets going straight to the fund. I can recall someone buying 100 raffle tickets at the Sammons tourney and getting skunked...won't mention names, you know who you are...And, if you don't want/need what you won, pass it along, (karma) let someone else get a shot.

By the way, Clay wants to be the 9th entrant, since he's 9...Paul, appease him...he may donate some of his Bakugans towards the cause...
I'm sure there are some fathers/uncles who have 7, 8, or 9 year olds who can't do without Bakugans...

I will be donating some items for a raffle, and will throw in a surprise for those who have quilters in the family.

Holy Mackerel

04-19-2009, 05:50 PM

I think comraderie at the end of the day is a given, but a competition between kayak (hook and line) anglers and spearos will never be mano a mano. This would be like a race between a car and a plane with two equally talented drivers. Especially when White Seabass are around. I have mucho respect for spearfisherman, plenty of hardcore local waterman, but in my opinion that's not a fair competion.

Josh it is for a great cause & an ultimately insignificant (read fun) trophy. What is significant is bringing all parties together. ;)

THE DARKHORSE

04-19-2009, 09:50 PM

Josh it is for a great cause & an ultimately insignificant (read fun) trophy. What is significant is bringing all parties together. ;)

But, doesn't change anything I said ;).

I can't possibly see why spearos wouldn't want to compete in a "spearfishing" divison. I would love to see a huge spearfisherman turnout. And I'm pretty sure all parties are together on not losing La Jolla forever :cheers1:.

Holy Mackerel

04-20-2009, 06:29 AM

There wasn't a major turnout for The Moyer spearo division, so I was thinking of a combination, but who cares, two divisions is fine. The cause is most important. I think I will kayak fish, the water has been sharky lately. :eek:

PAL

04-20-2009, 08:38 AM

Thanks for the great responses everyone.

I noticed some common threads.

1. Lower entry fee so more people can participate. Let's say $35. Further, we're trying to keep things open for our kids - I say let's get them out there for zero smackers to compete in their own division.

2. People recognize this is a fund raiser with the deadly serious aim of hanging onto our fishing spots. No cash awards, but we'll come up with plaques or trophies for Big Fish, C&R Bass, and Spearo that shout bragging rights. Any artists here? The guys up north at NCKA are great at hand-rolling rewards. I'll dig up a photo or two.

3. I was looking for the easy way out - weigh in, snacks and drinks on the boat. I was wrong! We need to get together on shore somewhere. We'll provide drinks and something basic like Costco dogs. Bringing something potluck style aka Baytubers will be welcome but voluntary.

But here's the big question. Where? We can't do this on the beach in June, its a no-go in summer. Kate Sessions? Mission Bay?

4. Our industry friends are hurting big-time in this economy, so don't expect too much in the way of sponsor prizes. I'm sure we'll have some for a cash raffle or auction. Donated gear will be gratefully accepted for raffle / auction / private party sale - if you're not using it anyway, put it to work to help preserve your future fishing access.

5. I'll come up with something to recognize the most impressive performance of the day - doesn't matter if you skewered it or got it on a Snoopy pole. The crowd will of course have its say.

6. Somebody figure out a name for this thing - please.

Corey

04-20-2009, 10:22 AM

Count me in, Paul. Let me know if there's any way I can help out.

I vote to call it the La Jolla Sea Kitten Shootout.;)

Kellog Park would probably work for post-tourney festivities, but if you think it would be too crowded, one of the grassy areas near DeAnza on MB would be convenient since it is right off of the 5 at Clairemont exit.

Holy Mackerel

04-20-2009, 10:30 AM

I vote to call it the La Jolla Sea Kitten Shootout.;)

Kellog Park would probably work for post-tourney festivities, but if you think it would be too crowded, one of the grassy areas near DeAnza on MB would be convenient since it is right off of the 5 at Clairemont exit.

Haha, that is funny name! :D

I was thinking the same thing for Kellog, I think it is possible, and also De Anza, there are bathrooms near by, easy to get to off the 5. Not sure about parking in June though.

PAL

04-20-2009, 11:10 AM

The problem with Kellogg Park is the red tape. Any gathering of 75 or more requires a permit, which are not issued during summer. Its too bad - we can fly under the radar with 50 or 60, but I'm hoping for a better turn-out.

Tman

04-20-2009, 11:19 AM

Somebody figure out a name for this thing - please.

How about this one Paul?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwegallery/data/500/CAFT.JPG

Was thinking of Fishers Against Undermining Coastal Kayaking....
but didn't think you'd go for that one...sums it up nicely though...

Sherm

04-20-2009, 01:24 PM

I'm in. Just keep us posted Paul.

Billy V

04-20-2009, 10:36 PM

Mission Bay Park @ the Clairemont Dr. exit has a wide section of Grass that is close to the bathrooms.

Just a hundred yards to the South, past the Visitors Center there are lots of shady spots, and parking @ the curb. I've done BBQ's w/ 50 people there before.

I'm in.

SeaEagle_1

04-20-2009, 10:53 PM

i am good with the date, i don't foresee any date conflicts of my own with that. I LOVE THE IDEA OF A FISHIG TOURNAMENT to battle these guys, doing exactly what they want to close us down for doing! BRILLIANT!!!

my 2 cents here, i think the $50 is a good price. i would even be willing to pay more to fight these guys! but money is tight for most of us i am assuming. i also think that what this tournament is for, why it is being put on, that ALL THE MONEY SHOULD GO TOWARD THE FIGHT!!! i am sure we can get some prizes and goodies even if they aren't pricy. and i hope i am not stepping out of line here as i have not spoken to the admin about this, but i should be able to provide some free stuff for those that attend.

and i also think the work shop is a cool idea. i myself would like to attend one of these and learn more.

Holy Mackerel

04-21-2009, 06:33 AM

Paul, if you want a weigh boat, I would be happy to shuttle you around as well. Bring a Jig Stick with a Taddy 45... :reel::)

Let me know,

chris

DESTROYER

04-21-2009, 12:14 PM

Lebo- Let me know what I can do to help. June 26-28 is the Bloody Decks YT Shootout, FYI. I've done a few Tournaments in my day and know how hard it is to organize. I've got some ideas for you. Ballast Point would supply the beer for sure if we want to go that route. Food is easy, just need to get some volunteers to cook. My family is usually down for that. Give me a call and we can go into more detail. My boat is also available.

Moyer

csharon

04-21-2009, 03:56 PM

My son and I are in. We're pretty new to the sport, but want to defend our right to get skunked locally! I'm a database guy, and am willing to help with organizing in any way possible.

Curt :reel:

PAL

04-21-2009, 05:22 PM

June 26-28 is the Bloody Decks YT Shootout, FYI.

Crud. Back to the calendar. Probably a lot of boats out for the BD deal. Anyone know the LJ impact?

Tman

04-21-2009, 06:16 PM

Impact would be about the same if not heavier than when everyone found out about the esqueeeed spawn...esp if the YT go off in LJ at that time frame, maybe one of the reasons they picked that weekend...yikes.:doh:

tylerdurden

04-23-2009, 12:24 PM

I fished the BD shootout last year. Not too many boats in LJ. How it is this year will likely depend on the bite. Still, not the best day to do it. I think an earlier date would be better. The sooner the better before everyone loses interest. Sometime in May?

Simple potluck or hot dogs gets my vote too. We are fisherman, we don't need a catered pampered meal after fishing all day.

Holy Mackerel

04-23-2009, 02:32 PM

May 9th and 23rd not good for me, although if scheduled on those days, I am donating an entry fee anyway. Spare all you guys my victorious win!!! :D j/k

chris

PS: I hope not to start reply's of which dates people can't attend, because that will cause a scheduling nightmare for the organizers. I was just invested in this thread, so I don't want to seem like a dead beat if it is on those days I don't show up!

Paul, please schedule any date that works good for you!

kurt

04-23-2009, 06:52 PM

I was thinking that at some point we should get all the kayaks together on the water as a group, everyone holding up signs, Save LJ, etc., get some photos to show at the MLPA meetings.

PAL

04-23-2009, 08:18 PM

How about June 13? I also looked at June 6 and May 30, but the tides are pretty flat those days.

I was thinking that at some point we should get all the kayaks together on the water as a group, everyone holding up signs, Save LJ, etc., get some photos to show at the MLPA meetings.

Hell yes! That's what I was thinking about when I suggested an on the water weigh-in.

tylerdurden

04-24-2009, 06:32 AM

Any day that doesn't conflict with another major fishing event is good. I think that is more important than good fishing tides. Make it less a fishing tournament and more a publicity stunt/fundraiser. The competitive part should not be the main component. This is about raising money and getting good press.

My biggest worry is turn out. Fisherman have shown to be bad in turning out for this kind of thing.

The public thinks of us as an amusing, harmless, intriguing, oddity among fisherman. Never once have a gotten a PETA comment on the beach after kayak fishing. I think awareness would get us some good will and couldn't hurt.

Just my thoughts.

bellcon

04-29-2009, 06:39 AM

***BUMP***

Because of my inability to attend yesterdays meeting
and because of the efforts of all those who did attend

I am making another donation today
JOIN ME!

(think about the monies these fellow kayak fishermen lost in wages, time and gas alone)

Clay, again---->:you_rock:

Holy Mackerel

04-29-2009, 06:54 AM

Don, thanks again for another donation, it is appreciated. I am gonna try to make ALL the meetings here out on, but if not, due to work, or familia, I will pledge to donate due to my absence as well!!!!!

Matt

04-29-2009, 07:03 AM

I am in for the tourney and any beauracratic BS ...err...I mean MLPA meetings too!! Donation being made also...

Margarita Mike

04-29-2009, 08:07 AM

I'm in. Everyone is safe. All I do is :farmer: the fish, easier to release that way.

Would be a Great time just hanging out :reel: and doing something for the battle.

No Money payback, use it for the battle, thats what this is about anyhow.

:luxhello:

1Flatfish

04-29-2009, 09:02 AM

I'm no expert, so I may be wrong. But do tides make much of a difference in the big pond? I understand the importance in the bays, but I was under the impression that tidal movement in the ocean is less important than current movement. This may be a learning moment for me. One reason that the tides may be important has to do with room on the beach. An extremely high tide could leave a large group of kayak launchers crowded into a pretty small area.

hatchetman

04-29-2009, 04:42 PM

I have A,
West Marine Pacific rod
medium light action 12-30 lb.
with Penn 500 reel that I won at day at the docks that I can donate for a raffle prize.

Also have a used short Calcutta gaff to throw in

I think with the tough economy that any tourney should open to anyone, the entry fee being strictly a what ever you can afford donation. No prizes, just bragging rights with a bragging thread for top anglers. raffle tickets should be $1.00 each, used items by silent auction on the day of the event or on a for sale thread to raising funds for the cause. In N Out has a trailer that they send out for fundraisers that may make the food easier if enough interest and could help raise money as well.

Is there a location to drop off donation for raffle and auction items yet.

PAL

04-30-2009, 08:05 AM

Thanks for bearing with me. I hope to have most of the details settled by next week. Preparing for the just concluded 3-day MLPA meeting session, the most difficult yet, has drained most of my time.

Geoffkoop

04-30-2009, 09:20 AM

I'm in. I think this is a good idea. :luxhello:

bluesquids

04-30-2009, 11:29 AM

How about June 13?

FYI, Islander 2.5 day trip.
http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=4369
Also, I dove during the shootout last year, thought for sure I'd get run over but it was hardly any different.

Holy Mackerel

04-30-2009, 12:17 PM

FYI, Islander 2.5 day trip.
http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=4369

I am that trip as well...

Paul, make the tourney the best date that works for you. I will still donate an entry fee, if the date conflicts with my schedule in any way. BUT, whomever wins will have an asterisk * next to their win, because I wasn't in attendance! :p

FWIW, I don't think LJ was any more crowded during the BD Shootout last year, I know Offshore wasn't anymore crowded.

chris

PAL

05-05-2009, 07:14 AM

All right, original date folks, June 27, just a lot of people out enjoying LJ.

Here's the concept. $5 jackpot, $25 donation, weigh-in on the water so no need to rush about on land. Big fish, C&R bass (possibly in conjunction with a PN MBF), spearo, all with separate jackpots. Possibly a single prize for the best angling feat, determined subjectively and requiring crowd approval.

I will provide basic drinks and dogs at our post-fishing venue, location TBD but likely in the Mission Bay area. Potluck contributions a la Baytubers encouraged. Benefit raffle / silent auction (donations gratefully accepted).

I will start a new thread in the next day or so, hopefully with even more info. Please sign up, but no pre-registration necessary.

Remember, this is about three things. Celebrating La Jolla, raising cash so we can keep it open, and getting MLPA info out there. I hope you will join us, go fishing, come to the party afterwards, either or both, whatever you like.