LJ - 5/01

[-scallywag-]

launched at LJ this time, 5pm, still some windswell, tons and tons of bait outside the kelp getting chased, watertemp 61-62 green water 5-10ft vis. looked Tsharky out there but i was on a different mission.... but as usual i got skunked (except for a stupid ugly horn shark and one small sculpin) landed at 1030 just in time to get harrassed by some bored SDPD Barney's who aparently didn't know that you could launch/drive on the beach???after searching everything for?? giving me a breathalizer (blew a .002) and calling in a sergent, who by that point was more intested in my kayak, fishing gear, what i had caught and why i was'nt afraid of sharks, they let me go...at 1130:cheers1:.

[JD]

Typical, did he ever say what he was searching for? Did you give consent to search?

[Tman]

Hmmm....wonder if they were called in by someone, or by a group of someones...just sayin'...

Sounds very fishy to me...

[Holy Mackerel]

Wow, that is scary, what gives them the right to search you, when you are using a legal boat launch. It is one thing if you driving wildy down the beach towards scripps pier endangering people. But I am assuming, you landed, got your car, and were packing up your gear, like 99.99% of us do.

I would like to hear more on what reasons they gave you, to conduct a search, then subsequent breathalizer?

If there are any lawyers on this site, curious what our rights are to deny a search, when presumably, we have not done anything. Or even a breathalizer, ie we werent swerving down ave de la playa, but packing up gear?

chris

[dos ballenas]

are they handing out KUI's now? That would be f'd up!

thanks for the report... looks glassy out there at the moment.

[h2ofishfo]

ALWAYS USE KAYAK SAFETY OUT THERE NEVER DRINK WHEN KAYAKING ESPECIALLY WHEN WATER SKIING W/THE HOBIE DRIVE U MAY RUN OVER SOMEONES HEAD :)

[-scallywag-]

i'm a young punk kid....these officers where my age and obiously did not know anything about LJ....or fishing for that matter... i was parked...first they spot lighted me from the boardwalk, then overt the PA told to wlk infornt of the my truck...they then jumped the wall and started agressively grilling me about driving on the beach...all i said was that i believed that this was a public boat launch, they said that its illegal to drive on any beach in san diego, trying not to argue i said "i think there's a sign over there"...thats when it all started, "have you been drinking today?"..."ummmm yes sir"...."do you have any wepeons, bombs or drugs in the vehical"......."no sir"..... "can we take a look?"....."sure i have nothing to hide"..... at that point his partner comes around and asks me where i got the kayak from while the other guy starts searching....long stoy short they find nothing but six empty corona light bottles ,some waters and sandwich trash in my cooler along with all my gear...i guess for some reason they just couldn't believe that i had been out since 5pm by myself fishing or that i had paddled 6-8 miles in that time?? so they breathalize me, .002, so they have a little meeting and come back and say that thier gonna let me go but i'm gonna get a ticket for driving on the beach, at that point i was ready to go home and didn't argue......luckly the segant shows up, informs the two officers that this is a public launch and that im not violating any laws and he tells them to go read the sign....then he starts shinning his light around inside my truck asking about the hobie, how the bite is, if i like my dodge turbo diesel, what kinda milage it gets.....he was a cool guy and oboiusly felt bad about bothering me (although he never said so) then he said have a good night and they left as fast as they showed up....all's well that ends well i guess...

[-scallywag-]

just for the record, in CA you absolultly can get a DUI for opperating just about any vehical, bike, surfboard, skateboard, snowboard, boat atv golfcart, barbie bigwheel, and of course kayaks....also i never ever ever argue with the officers, i awnser them honestly and respectfully, if i have a problem I "tell it to the judge!!!"

[Holy Mackerel]

This was last night, I saw you in a red tandem hobie. I landed around 8pm... That'd suck to be harrassed like that, the sign should have cleared up any misunderstanding.

FWIW, lots of bait in the water, didn't catch anything.

[Billy V]

Those 2 Cops sound like Clowns. lmao
-Where were they Cops from...??? Mars..?

Every self respecting Man, Woman, and Child in the county knows that there is a public launch at La Jolla Shore.

-Let alone a couple of dumbbell cops that "Work in the Town of La Jolla"

[-scallywag-]

Chris,
yeh that was me (the only other yak out there...), sorry I wasn't more friendly but i'm kinda a loner like that...i'll say whats up next time!!!..seems like i see you out there alot....AND yes the bait was crashing all night!!! the whole way in and out was non stop bait hitting the surface...it was like a jceviche video or somethin, however i think most of the rucus was caused by the barrys....did any of you bait come back with the marks to support my theory??

[erinoo]

Yea they made a mistake, luckily no one else ever does. They are only dumb bell cops when you don't need them.....

[kareem korn]

This them?

[Podaker]

i hate the cops!! I live about six blocks from the boat launch and my family has had our cars broken into and items (stereos, sunglasses, clothing, cd's, even the change in my ashtray) stolen. 6 times this happened. the last two times we got these punks on video!! one time stealing license plates off one of our trucks, and the other they broke in but there was nothing they wanted but the change in the ashtray. we had still photos that were clear as day of these a$$holes and the video to go with it of them looking around with flashlights. we called the police (what a joke) to file a report and turn over the photos and video. no response, then a cop came to our door one day(a couple of months later) asking if we had seen anything suspicious the previous friday night because 2 houses were broken into. after i told him "sorry i didn't see anything" i told him my story about the video and photos and he said i should call in about it! but he didn't want the evedince as he is not a detctive. mabey they should patrol the neiborhoods instead of worring about a kayaker that was obeying the law.


sorry about my rant but i don't care for the service i get from my tax dollars

[Billy V]

Yea they made a mistake, luckily no one else ever does. They are only dumb bell cops when you don't need them.....

You say that like Cops actually do something for You....
-- Beside causing you grief, or wrecking your life for the same stuff they do themselves. LoL
Thats how it goes for the Large majority.

Most are hypocrites who collect a paycheck from your tax dollars, nothing more.

A Gun, and a Badge, and a License to steal all you want.

Don't kid yourself, I know more about the inner workings of Police than most people can ever imagine, as my office was stationed next to the Chief's Office.

[Rik]

Wow, that is scary, what gives them the right to search you, when you are using a legal boat launch. It is one thing if you driving wildy down the beach towards scripps pier endangering people.



chris

So I shouldnt be zooming up and down the beach doing donuts to celebrate my catch? go figure

[-scallywag-]

of course there are bad apples, but if you put things in perspective, our police force is great and we are so very lucky to live here...thoughout the whole ordeal i was never in fear for my life, or that any of my property would be taken, sure it was a little frustating, but had i been in mexico, things would have been much more exciting.....it was a simple mistake on their part....AND I DON'T HATE COPS, I JUST HATE GETTING BUSTED WHEN I MAKE THE DECISION TO BREAK A LAW !!!!

[Holy Mackerel]

I don't dislike cops either, my two brothers in law are police officers. You answered a lot of my questions with your testimnoy above. Still not sure why they needed to search you, and the sign didn't clear up their lack of knowledge of the boat ramp.

[nmbrinkman]

Don't kid yourself, I know more about the inner workings of Police than most people can ever imagine, as my office was stationed next to the Chief's Office.

C'mon... So that makes you an expert. Leave the junk out of it. You only hear the bad things which leads you to believe that's the rule, not the exception.

I too see patrol cars making lane changes without a signal, going just as fast as the citizens they pulled over the day before, not stopping completely at stop lights/stop signs (I got a video red light violation for almost $400 a couple of years ago too). But the bottom line is it's a thankless job and when we really need them they'll be there. I have also been hassled at the launch from a squad car parked on the boardwalk. I gased it on the way out so I didn't get stuck in the loose stuff where the sand meets the asphault. Cop thought I was screwing around and I explained my case. He understood and sent me on my way.

For a broken window and some stolen change they're not going to come out. Unless there's an officer around the corner they're not going to make it in time to stop anything. Why send an officer to come take a report when you can call one in over the phone. Get an alarm or don't keep anything in your car or both. I too have also been a victim of a smash and grab. Even though there was nothing in my car other than a carseat (no change, cd's, sunglasses...nada). Now I'm more vigilant and don't have any problem addressing the issue myself. You have the right to protect your own property.

And for the comment about not being happy with the service your getting for your tax dollars. Would you do what they are supposed to do for what they make? Not saying it's right to be a shitbird PO and as a matter of fact I find it dispicable. But I know it's not the majority. You want to complain about the police? Move to TJ.

You have the right to file a complaint. I would suggest you do so -Scallywag-. But I think the peanut gallery could leave out the cop bashing. Remember that Crime pays more than to protect and serve.

[bellcon]

Podaker Said:

I live about six blocks from the boat launch


now I hate you!:the_finger:








Just Kidding Podaker...:biggrinjester:
signed,
the jealous kayak fisherman
who lives about 2 hours from the boat launch:(

[Holy Mackerel]

Ok, this thread is deteriorating. Being a police officer is thankless, I know my brothers are good men, and I could never do their job, NO WAY! Just like all professions, there are good, and bad individuals.

Let's get back to fishing... :reel::jig::wsb:

[Tman]

The real problem is that any time they unload their ammo on someone who deserves it, they gotta worry about getting scrutinized for doing their job, admin review, 2 weeks desk duty...

I think they should have an 'Ooops' Clause...

Somebody points a gun at them, brandishes a weapon in a threatening manner, a child molester, wife beater, etc., if their gun discharges and they say 'Ooops', it's all good.

"Uh, your Honor, I did say 'Ooops' and my partner and some other witnesses heard me."

"Is this true?"

"Yes, your Honor, I did hear the officer in question say 'Ooops' "

"Alrighty then...whoa, look at the time. Court adjourned."

[erinoo]

You say that like Cops actually do something for You....
-- Beside causing you grief, or wrecking your life for the same stuff they do themselves. LoL
Thats how it goes for the Large majority.

Most are hypocrites who collect a paycheck from your tax dollars, nothing more.

A Gun, and a Badge, and a License to steal all you want.

Don't kid yourself, I know more about the inner workings of Police than most people can ever imagine, as my office was stationed next to the Chief's Office.

Hmmm...sounds like you may have been in the pokie a few times...you really are an expert..Sure there are bad cops, just like there are bad docotors, attorneys and even fisherman, but most of the ones I know are stand-up guys, with more integrity than, well I won't say. Like someone else said, TJ is always an option......Hey lets just go fishin.....

[Billy V]

Hmmm...sounds like you may have been in the pokie a few times...you really are an expert..Sure there are bad cops, just like there are bad docotors, attorneys and even fisherman, but most of the ones I know are stand-up guys, with more integrity than, well I won't say. Like someone else said, TJ is always an option......Hey lets just go fishin.....

Not in the pokie, but sure ground up a few bad cops that thought they were above the Law.
I didn't say they were all bad news, but the ones that are quickly destroy the confidence of the public and undermine the system of laws.

I don't know about being an expert, but I am good at what I do.
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Chris I'm sure your brothers are good people.

[dsafety]

This has become a scary discussion. Some of you say you hate the cops. That is not a reasonable opinion. Yes some may make a mistake now and then and some may be less than professional at times. Most of the time, however, they do their jobs, (a difficult one by the way), with the best interests of the public in their hearts.

As Scallywag reported, once the Seargent showed up, he set these rookies striaght. The Seargent was probably embarrased that these guys did not know the local laws and I suspect that these officers got an earful back at the shop. I bet they will not make that mistake again.

IMHO, Scallyway handled things the best way he could. The net result was no harm, no foul.

Take a chill pill guys.

Bob

[joyjiggin']

Scallywag, landing at 1030pm?? Who do you think you are, Josh Pruitt?!!!

[T Bone]

You can definitely get a DUI on a bicycle...

[Shorty]

I am with the cops on this one,,every one knows the yakkers at LJ carry bombs and weapons of mass destruction and they need to be stopped and searched regurely :cool:

Not to worry those these guys are busy booking people for walking on foot paths at the moment.

[Spyder]

This them?

Dude, I watched that show every Sat. morning! It's HR Puff&Stuff right?

[Tman]

Chris I'm sure your brothers are good people.

My little sis is a cop in PG County...look that one up...:eek:

Still can't believe they let her have a gun, much less give her bullets.

Cops, Firefighters, Nurses, EMT's, and Teachers...underpaid.


PS - No, I will not set you up with my sister...dumbass...sorry, old habit...:sifone:

[herefishyfishy!]

Both my brothers in laws are cops also...they are both dueches in my opinion...just saying...

[bigbarrels]

Now I'm going to keep some donuts in my vehicle.....just in case

[Holy Mackerel]

This thread has gone stupid quick, someone with power please shut it down. I am all for free speach, but all our websites are being watched by enviros, etc. We as kayak fishermen do not need to portray ourselves in this manner, esp when things can get taken out of context, and used against us. If you do not think it will be used against us, then you need to attend an MLPA meeting.

Scallywag, sorry for derailing your thread, I feel responsible for that.

Everyone please stop responding to this thread.

[boogieman]

of course there are bad apples, but if you put things in perspective, our police force is great and we are so very lucky to live here...thoughout the whole ordeal i was never in fear for my life, or that any of my property would be taken, sure it was a little frustating, but had i been in mexico, things would have been much more exciting.....it was a simple mistake on their part....AND I DON'T HATE COPS, I JUST HATE GETTING BUSTED WHEN I MAKE THE DECISION TO BREAK A LAW !!!!
Ive live in mexico, for 37 years, never had any problems, but seen a lot of foreing "visitors", transporting drugs, fire arms, filming, porn videos and involved in pederast acts, geting caught and then traing to brive cops and end up cryng that mexico is a bad place, as i say i never had my licence plate stolen or broke in my car an stealiong aniting, wen you want to come to Ensenada and fish give me a call i am pretty shure your change your mind obout Mexico, sorry for my riting i hope you understand.

[fishchaser25]

JUST AN FYI. THE B.A.C. ON THE WATER IS .04 WHERE ON LAND IT IS .08 SO BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE. & YES THEY CAN GIVE YOU A DUI FOR KAYAKING WITH A B.A.C. OF .04

[kareem korn]

Dude, I watched that show every Sat. morning! It's HR Puff&Stuff right?


Dude, we just dated ourselves :doh:

[lambadmin]

OK kids, Chris has a point.

Thanks Scallywag for teaching the newbs cops about La Jola public boat lunch.

For the record - BWE loves law enforcement.