SD CITY COUNCIL MEETING!!!!

[Holy Mackerel]

I know there are a lot of posts coming out, but 20 days, and counting, before there will be nothing left that you can do.

We need all the people we can get to go to this meeting. Please attend, Friends of Seals, and all the other Anti-Fishing groups will be there to try and get the San Diego City Council to push for closures of La Jolla and Pt. Loma, and support the MLPA.

Anglers in Redondo, where able to show up and make a difference.

THE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND CULTURE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO
Councilmember Frye, Chair
Councilmember Carl DeMaio, Vice Chair
Councilmember Sherri Lightner
Councilmember Marti Emerald
AGENDA FOR

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2009, AT 2:00 P.M.
COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM (12TH FLOOR),
CITY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING
202 C STREET, SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

[tylerdurden]

Ugh. Makes me sick. We all know the friends of the seals will turn out, they don't have real jobs. We all know what they will lobby for. The question is whether we are going to take it. We must speak up for what is right.

[zenspearo]

This is a critical meeting Kayakfishermen. Not only that, it's critical to get everyone you know to write/call the city council members to express your reservation against the MLPA process and its impact on San Diego's economic base.

Remember how city council support enables the Children Pool people to persuade the CA legislature to essentially take a beach away from San Diego. Don't let this happen with the MLPA.

Remember how Laguna's City Council support was one of the critical factors in Group 1 and Group 3 taking away all of shore access in the city of Laguna.

This is an end-game strategy by the enviros clearly designed to get the support of San Diego City Council in time to influence the decision of the BRTF by Oct. 21st.

In many ways, this is as critical, or more critical, than any other MLPA meeting you have attended in the past.

1) Get as many people to write or call as possible.
2) Make sure kayakfishermen aren't shut out of ALL OF La Jolla. We can lose the battle and the war right here (Remember the BRTF can--and did in other MLPA study regions--come up with their own larger closures. Don't let this happen to La Jolla based on SD City Council's endorsement). If we don't do something, we'll only be allowed to look at the kelp next year from shore (but not from Children's Pool--we are already kicked out of that one).

[JoeBeck]

This world has gone crazy!

[Holy Mackerel]

Bump, this is coming quickly, we need all available Kayak Fishermen to represent to the city of San Diego, the negative economic impact on the MLPAI.

Coast Keeper is going to be there in force!!!

Starts at 2pm, take a half day, I asked for one!

[Holy Mackerel]

Guys find your City Council Member and send them a quick email on the local economic impact of the MLPA, and to VOTE NO at this meeting. I just sent Sherri Lightner another email.

http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/

I will see you at this meeting, who is joining me?

[Tman]

Frye is a surfer...a true blue old schooler. Hopefully she will lean in our favor.

Emerald, being that we are $179,000,000 in debt, I think if she realizes the negative effect on the SD economy, may help us.

Closing Pt Loma and LJ at the same time, unemployment would sky...

[zenspearo]

Guys,

We should model our SD City Council effort after Redondo's successful advocacy.

Here are the resolutions that come out of the Redondo's City Council. We want at minimum to achieve the same.

Please see attached.
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[zenspearo]

We got to get the harbormasters, the boat shops, the tackleshops, the fishing day boats, etc. involved.

This is our hometown, no longer an abstraction of a state-wide closure. They've got to get in the game on this one. This paints a target right on their forehead.

Someone starts making calls and having some boots hit the pavement?

[Holy Mackerel]

Bump!

C'mon SD kayakers, our northern kayakers made an impact with the city of Redondo, let's do the same here in SD. This is one of the rare SD venues, we can attend.

See ya there!

[BT]

Just emailed Marti Emerald<O:p</O:p
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People can also call their councilmember as well. You wont talk to them, but I know that when you call all you need to do is tell whoever answers the phone that you do not support the MLPA closures. The people answering the phones most likely have a spread sheet or something similar to keep track of all the calls so their councilmember knows what their community is saying.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

A tip on emails and letters...keep them brief and make your point in the first line. Most likely your email is being read by a staffer, and your email will go into a folder after they see you support or are against something. Not many government representatives read their mail and they usually have a staff member screen everything.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

Not saying don’t write a long well thought email, but even a simple "Mr. Councilmember, I don’t support XYZ, and I don’t think you should either" works. We area a tally to them. And ALWAYS include your name and address in an email so they know you are in their district.<O:p</O:p

[Billy V]

I just called Donna Frye's office and they let me speak for 5 Minutes
(That more time than I was allotted in the Last 6 MLPA Meetings I have attended.)

I was just told:
They are accepting E Mails prior to the Meeting and will use those comments to make a decision.

Please take the time to write to Ms. Frye, Tell Her how this will effect YOU.

DonnaFrye@sandiego.gov

[Holy Mackerel]

I know everyone is attending this meeting next week! But if you have not contacted your council person, please do so during your lunch!

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Councilmember Sherri Lightner
E-mail: sherrilightner@sandiego.gov

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Council President Pro Tem Kevin Faulconer
E-mail: kevinfaulconer@sandiego.gov

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Councilmember Todd Gloria
E-mail: toddgloria@sandiego.gov

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Councilmember Tony Young
E-mail: anthonyyoung@sandiego.gov

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Councilmember Carl DeMaio
E-mail: carldemaio@sandiego.gov

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Councilmember Donna Frye
E-mail: donnafrye@sandiego.gov

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Councilmember Marti Emerald
E-mail: martiemerald@sandiego.gov

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Council President Ben Hueso
E-mail: benhueso@sandiego.gov
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[C. Cary]

Thanks for posting the emails.

Email sent

C. Cary

[zenspearo]

Guys,

The State AG's Office just clarified their position on what non-fishing activity is prohibited in a State Marine Reserve.

Basically, any activity that "injure" to "any" living marine resource is a no-no in a State Marine Reserve unless it's "permitted research, restoration, and monitoring."

This is a powerful argument with SD city council against SMRs in La Jolla (as in Group 3) and Point Loma. We should bring this up--if La Jolla and Point Loma is closed to beach access, surfing, boating, diving, etc., the city of San Diego will take it on the chin.

See here.

http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=93285

[emrliquidlife]

Hey guys,

I presented the kayak safety fishing video at the last MLPA meeting.

Would it make any sense to have this video presented at the Council Meeting?

I'm nowhere near San Diego, but I hope to fish La Jolla for a yellow tail in October. I could make the meeting and hopefully catch a fish.

Ed

[dsafety]

As usual, I can't make the meeting but will send out some emails. There is another way of posting your opinion. Visit this site http://www.sandiego.gov/city-clerk/officialdocs/docketcomment.shtml

and you can write a comment that will be shared with the appropriate folks. I know someone reads these because I got an email back from the clerk who distributes the comments asking me which agenda item my comments were concerning.

They only let you have 200 words which makes it difficult to get your point across, so use your words well.

In case anyone is interested, this is what I wrote.

"This action item is a thinly disguised attempt to con the Council into supporting a harmful agenda being pushed by some narrowly focused special interest groups. Despite statements to the contrary in paragraphs 2 and 5 of this proposed resolution, the suggested MLPA closures are not supported by scientific research. In fact, the statements in paragraph 2 are bald faced lies. Sensible regulation of the commercial fishing industry and dramatic reductions in pollution have resulted in the California coastal fisheries being healthier today than in any time during the last fifty years.
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Should the MLPA closures become law, recreational fishing along most of the coast of California will be outlawed. If this is allowed to happen, entire industries based on this resource will disappear. The cost to the state and individual cities will be untold millions of dollars in lost tax revenue, as these businesses are forced to close. There will also be enormous enforcement costs that someone will have to pay.
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The MLPA closures are poorly conceived and not supported by the science. This proposal is not supported by most citizens and should not be blessed by the San Diego City Council. Please do not approve this resolution."
Bob

[PAL]

Guys, this is a flank attack right here at home. Defend your turf! Please make every effort to attend, and if you can't, at the very least call your city council rep.

[Billy V]

Hey guys,

I presented the kayak safety fishing video at the last MLPA meeting.

Would it make any sense to have this video presented at the Council Meeting?

I'm nowhere near San Diego, but I hope to fish La Jolla for a yellow tail in October. I could make the meeting and hopefully catch a fish.

Ed

Yes.
That Video was powerful, please bring it down.

If you are in the neighborhood and want to fish LJ I'd gladly fish with you.

[Saba Slayer]

Holy Mackerel said "Anglers in Redondo, where able to show up and make a difference."
Here is some of the economic impact info from the Redondo area. This is SMALL peanuts compaired to the San Diego area's ECONOMIC IMPACT.

The economic impacts are calculated using the Boating Economic Model created by the Recreation Marine Research center at Michigan State University.
This model uses information from over 12,500 nationwide boater surveys regarding craft spending, and 13,000 boaters regarding theirtrip spending activities. It found that the King Harbor Marina generates $46,755,000 in economic activity annually, and provides 267 jobs. This includes the launching activities.
Data from a visitors survey that was conducted specifically at King Harbor was then used to determine how much of this activity is directly related to the ability to fish the local waters. There are 1,465 vessels in King Harbor and 185 responded to the survey. Of the respondents, 41% said they would not continue to keep their vessel , "If the current locations where you fish became off limits..." From information gathered from Redondo Sport Fishing and Tackle, 80% of the fishing activity that originates from King Harbor occurs at Rocky Point.
Given that 41% of the vessels in King Harbor are there to fish and 80% of those to fish Rocky Point specifically, the surrounding communities will lose $17,317,000 in economic activity annually, and 87 jobs.
Good Luck In Sandy Eggo....Fight the Fight it's worth it!
Jim / Saba Slayer

[JoeBeck]

I've sent a letter to each one of them and will be at the meeting. Also going to call each of them. We can not have our City Council show support for radical closures and we must show up in force to fight the Coastkeepers. At the very least they need to show support for Map 2. Not being able to responsibly use the ocean, that is a right we can not lose. We can not be told that we can not go and enjoy nature, especially inshore in a low impact manner. Sorry hanging out in the concrete jungle does not do it for me. I am not a large parking lot mall going type of guy. I enjoy nature when I'm not at work and I do it by interacting with it.

Does anyone know how city council meetings work? Will everyone be able to comment?

[Billy V]

I was told by phone from Donna Frye's office that everyone who wants to speak, can speak.
They want to hear both sides of the argument.

[Holy Mackerel]

I was told by phone from Donna Frye's office that everyone who wants to speak, can speak.
They want to hear both sides of the argument.

Ok, lets rally! Daily bump!

[Billy V]

Hello Everyone....
Are You Sending in Your E Mails ???

Please send your E Mail's today, I was told by Donna Frye's Office that they are going to use those E Mails and Public Commentary to Make a Decision wether or not to go forward with the SD Coast keepers Request.

-You can bet that the Other Side if Flooding the Council Members with E mails to boot your As* off the water!
-This literally takes a couple of minutes to compose an effective e mail and SEND IT TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER'S E MAIL ADDY POSTED IN THE THREAD.

Please do it now. We will have our work cut out for us at the meeting.
All the Friends of Seal Nut Cases, and Enviro Zombies will be there trying to drown Us Out.

Make the commitment.
Billy V

[Billy V]

This warrants repeating.

-If Recreation Kayak Fisherman/Spearos-etc. can't use it- Nobody Else Can Either!
This is Only a Law Suit Filing Away-

The State AG's Office just clarified their position on what non-fishing activity is prohibited in a State Marine Reserve.

Basically, any activity that "injure" to "any" living marine resource is a no-no in a State Marine Reserve unless it's "permitted research, restoration, and monitoring."

This is a powerful argument with SD city council against SMRs in La Jolla (as in Group 3) and Point Loma. We should bring this up--if La Jolla and Point Loma is closed to beach access, surfing, boating, diving, etc., the city of San Diego will take it on the chin.

See here.

http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=93285

[Tman]

Man oh man...and at the Surfrider meeting when I mentioned what area I'd like to see stay open in N County, they laughed.

No more surfing for you fellas....

Let's see how they like it when they have to paddle 3 miles to get to a surf spot...

[kurt]

Here's the link to Coastkeeper's proposal:
http://docs.sandiego.gov/councilcomm_agendas_attach/2009/NRC_091007-8a.pdf
LaJolla specifically is mentioned several times. They want it all. If you can make this meeting, please do!

[Billy V]

Take Particular Notice of Section 4.

Section 4
THE CITY COUNCIL OF SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA ENDORSES THE PLACEMENT OF A FULLY PROTECTED MARINE RESERVE IN LA JOLLA.

[JoeBeck]

Yeah funny how they threw in an exact location at the very end.

- Joe

[Billy V]

They Mean All of La Jolla.

Thats why they didn't specifically reference a proposed (SMR) as posted on any map.

[JoeBeck]

They are clearly trying to sidestep the MLPA process by getting the city involved. We need everyone who fishes in San Diego to show up at this meeting tomorrow.

[habanero]

I'm going. Does anyone have an idea how many are going?

[emrliquidlife]

Okay, I'm just now able to plug into this.

I'll have the video, but I'm worried about being there for hours on end while we wait to present. I'm hoping to get down, do my business and get outta dodge.

Do I need to take any special steps in order to show the video? I can bring a laptop, and the video is on a USB drive. So, unless anyone has some specific info, I'll coordinate with the A/V guy down there.

Billy V, next time I'm going down, I'll try to coordinate with you. Getting a YT this season is high on my list of priorities.

[FISHIONADO]

You can submit comments online that will get sent to all the council members. Anyone know the Agenda Item Number? I typed "NR&C Coastkeeper Proposal Oct-7-09" in the agenda number field.

http://www.sandiego.gov/city-clerk/officialdocs/docketcomment.shtml

[FISHIONADO]

It's Agenda Item 8

Found the agenda here:
http://docs.sandiego.gov/ccagenda_nrc/n091007.pdf

[Holy Mackerel]

Bump, I'll be there with my baby, since I do not have baby sitting. This is IMPORTANT!

[Royak]

The City Council committee will strongly support the enviros. Probably unanimously. Give it your best shot, but also try to modify Proposal #1 so it doesn't effect our Big Rock kayak launch area at Windansea Beach (near Palomar St.)

Moving the proposed reserve's northern border south to "Pink Wall" -- the cliff area just south of the launch area would maintain a hassle-free launch & return area for fishermen.

It would also make the northern border visible, natural and enforceable.

Next to LJ Shores, Windansea may be the safest beach launch in San Diego.

Proposal #1 is also in violation of the Windansea Plan, approved by the City. go to http://www.nerila.com:80/fow/index.html to see how fishing is supposed to be protected there.

Sorry to be negative (I still say we should "Sue the Bastards").

[JoeBeck]

If the majority of people who show up "YOU" are not enviros and don't support this proposal the city council can not. Their job is to represent the majority opinion in their district. If they fail to do so you need to make sure your voices are heard loud and they know they will be losing future votes and public support.

That is why Everyone needs to show up at this meeting or we will be hearing from the Coastkeeper and San Diego at the upcoming MLPA meeting showing support to close the coast of SD.

They are not asking for support for the MLPA process, it is a little late for that, we who have attended meetings have shown support of the process by being involved in it. There are 3 maps left, coastkeepers are side stepping this and trying to gain support for maximized closures outside of the required MLPA's.

You who think you can not make a difference or put up a good fight will always lose in the worst way.

[Holy Mackerel]

If the majority of people who show up "YOU" are not enviros and don't support this proposal the city council can not. Their job is to represent the majority opinion in their district. If they fail to do so you need to make sure your voices are heard loud and they know they will be losing future votes and public support.

That is why Everyone needs to show up at this meeting or we will be hearing from the Coastkeeper and San Diego at the upcoming MLPA meeting showing support to close the coast of SD.

They are not asking for support for the MLPA process, it is a little late for that, we who have attended meetings have shown support of the process by being involved in it. There are 3 maps left, coastkeepers are side stepping this and trying to gain support for maximized closures outside of the required MLPA's.

Exactly!

YES ON MAP 2 today guys, stick with the game plan, urge the City Council to abopt their OWN proposal, and reject Coast Keepers proposal.

Every man, woman, and child (cough, cough Marine business owner) needs to be there today.

[emrliquidlife]

Guys I'm having a tough time figuring out how to make this work.

Is there a way I can get the video to one of you guys so that the safety side of the house can be addressed?

Via FTP or something. The vid is some 25 megs so email seems to be out.

Ed

[habanero]

I might be able to help with this Ed, so check your PM.



Guys I'm having a tough time figuring out how to make this work.

Is there a way I can get the video to one of you guys so that the safety side of the house can be addressed?

Via FTP or something. The vid is some 25 megs so email seems to be out.

Ed

[Holy Mackerel]

I was there for 2 hours, and my 9 month old daughter could not take anymore, waiting to speak. But I did fill out an "oppose" form, and turn in my statement. They started calling fisherment an hour after I left. Good to see fellow fishermen there!

Council member Carl DeMaio stated that he had to leave early, but is "Standing with the fishermen on this issue"

PLEASE SEND HIM A THANK YOU email, and to support WG 2. :cool:

Watch it live CityTV | City of San Diego (http://www.sandiego.gov/citytv/)

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[Holy Mackerel]

Marti Emerald to Coast Keeper, "you failed in your presentation, you used Teddy Roosevelt in your presentation, he was a sportsman, hunter, and fisherman. I cannot support your proposal."

Lightner capitulates with Emerald, and is concerned about the "no take, and contraints in the reserve."

PLEASE EMAIL Thank these people, & give your support to 2!



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Councilmember Sherri Lightner
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Dont forget DeMaio "with the fishermen on this one."

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Councilmember Carl DeMaio
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Donna Frye: On the fence, "no motion, no action."


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[JoeBeck]

Carl DeMaio left early with the statement the San Diego City Council should side with the fishermen and support closures that are in the fisherman's best interest. He went on to say we have already lost too many jobs and too many industries and we should not lose our legacy.

Marti Emerald also lectured the coastkeepers about trying to sidestep the process at the last minute with basically BS data (she used a some bigger words :)) She also rebutted their National Park argument by saying they are all set up for the people to use, enjoy and maintain.

They also all seemed to express not being happy hearing about these closures so late in the game.

Everyone who spoke did an excellent job. I'm home having a beer to celebrate this small victory in the large scale of things. I think Donna Frye did an excellent job running the meeting as well.

[FISHIONADO]

Billy closed the deal after Tommy Gomes and John from Oceanside spoke for us. Marti Emerald mentioned that Coastkeeper tried to push something through that wasn't well documented but that she had printed materials with data from reputable sources from Billy. My representative Sherri Lightner said "ditto to that". I didn't get to speak but I was definitely OK with how Donna Frye managed the meeting.

[tylerdurden]

Just got off the phone with Billy V

:you_rock::luxhello::notworthy::cheers1:

[JoeBeck]

Didn't realize that was Billy V. Way to go dropping the facts clear and to the point :cheers1::cheers1::luxhello::luxhello:!

[tylerdurden]

You can watch the video archive here:

http://granicus.sandiego.gov/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=14


I feel really bad but I just could not make this one, and I have made a lot of these meetings taking my own vacation time off work. So sorry guys for not making it. I am glad there were enough guys to cover.

[kurt]

Thank you to everyone who showed up for this one. I just couldn't get away from work. Sounds like good things happened and you guys must have done a great job. Thank you!

[FISHIONADO]

Also wanted to say thanks to D-Gax for throwing his minute to Tommy Gomez when Tommy ran out of time, Tommy made very good use of that minute.

[habanero]

This thing might have back fired because the City is paying closer attention to the negative economic impact versus hypothetical conservation gains. Great job everyone!:cheers1: Billy, you nailed it!:you_rock:

[Holy Mackerel]

You can watch the video archive here:

http://granicus.sandiego.gov/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=14


I feel really bad but I just could not make this one, and I have made a lot of these meetings taking my own vacation time off work. So sorry guys for not making it. I am glad there were enough guys to cover.

You, Kurt, and the regular MLPA attendees, owe ZERO apologies, btw, Tyler, thanks for your research to help us on speaking points today!

[Tman]

Way to go guys, esp you da man Billy V....:you_rock::cheers1:

Wish I too could have made it, slammed at work today, I will be watching it later...figure I will be in the office all night.

Thanks to all those who attended, even Chris and his baby girl toughing it out. Thank you to the Council Members who realize the impact this would've had on our economy.

And shame on you Coastkeepers...your tactic was called a bait and switch. We fishermen know it all too well and you got called on it.


Again to those that spoke....:cheers1::luxhello::cheers1:

We all owe ya a cold one...

[Billy V]

My biggest fear was that I would not get a chance to speak, so I pushed to the front and begged for 3 minutes. Siting the ceded time from David Johnson a La Jolla Swimmer, Mr. Chris Fierro who had to cut short the meeting because of his beautiful baby daughter, and my friend Don.
I was not going to be shut down, or cast aside.

In those 3 minutes I took the opportunity to slam The Coast Keeper Proposal for the misleading, greasy fastball they tried to throw past our city council members, and the residents of San Diego.
They should be ashamed of themselves, and are now exposed for the rogue environmental group that they are.

-That presentation, and the materials presented were a collaboration of our core members efforts, including our brothers from the North.

It was also personal.
The RSG member Garth Murphy who spoke today on behalf of Coast Keeper took the opportunity to back stab several of us kayak fisherman after all but guaranteeing our right to fish North of Scripps Pier. He lied to our faces with the 11th hour submission of a reserve north of Scripps Pier and submission of the Dip Net Clause.
This was pay back.
------------------------------
Its a little draining for me, as my emotions, and passion for our sport was doing the talking up there.

[tylerdurden]

Billy V, I want my commission for the speech you gave :cheers1:. Nice work. Way to close out the deal.

Marti Emerald, Carl DeMaio, Sherri Lightner seemed very sympathetic.

"There is no motion, there is no action out of this committee, the meeting is adjourned."

:luxhello:

[Billy V]

Billy V, I want my commission for the speech you gave :cheers1:. Nice work. Way to close out the deal.

Marti Emerald, Carl DeMaio, Sherri Lightner seemed very sympathetic.

"There is no motion, there is no action out of this committee, the meeting is adjourned."

:luxhello:

As I said,
-That presentation, and the materials presented were a collaboration of our core members efforts, including our brothers from the North.

Your words were there to seal that deal, Grego's documentary evidence, and my pent up fury for the injustice we are all being subject to.

-There's (1) more game left, The Super Bowl on Oct. 21st.

[Holy Mackerel]

All involved excellent collaboration... :you_rock: Billy, excellent job presenting! Major props! :cheers1:

Let this be a lesson to all the kayakers looking at this thread, we need overwhelming presence on 10-21 in Long Beach, there are many who have sacrificed vacation, or sick leave, time away from family. If you have been on the fence, now is the time to make a commitment to attend the LAST MLPA meeting!

Post up!

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?p=45589#post45589

[emrliquidlife]

Amen,

I'm relived.

As a single dad with a daughter, I had a tough time making last minute decisions. But when I didn't hear from habenaro, I actually felt like things were working in a positive direction.

Emails with thanks are now being made to the two council members noted.

Ed

[Sherm]

Great seeing you all there yesterday. What a great outcome. We need to keep this up until the next meeting later this month.

[FISHIONADO]

Great seeing you all there yesterday. What a great outcome. We need to keep this up until the next meeting later this month.

It was worth it to see you in a suit! :D

I was very happy with the outcome, I disagree with Coastkeeper on this issue, but I do not consider them the "enemy". As a surfer I've been soaking in our coastal waters for the last 30 years, without Coastkeeper and Surfrider our waters would be much more polluted than they already are. I also disagree with Surfrider positions occasionally but I remain a member because of the good things they do upstream to keep the pollution out of our coastal waters.

Hope to see _everyone_ on the 21st in Long Beach.

[Caballito]

I was there yesterday and it was an eye-opener. This "Coastwatcher" group tried what seems to be a prevelant strategy in todays politics. They threw a bunch of data, some accurate, some innacurate, and a lot of half -truths at the council then stated several times that this area was at a "tipping point" and that the "science was on their side". They tried to create a sense of urgency that doesn't exist and wanted the council to support them, because they were "so right". All of this at the 11th hour after a years worth of input by all sides on the MLPA, except "Coastwatcher", and they attempt this hijack of the process! Look out for these guys! They are sneaky, half truth, calculating and deceitful at best! They will forever be discredited in my eyes for what they tried to do yesterday. The council fortunately saw through the charade they were trying to pull, but you can bet your ass they be back again with more bullshit! Thanks to Luc from Anglers Choice who alerted me by email of this meeting, and thanks to all who came and or spoke, you did well.

Cheers,
Brian

[Sherm]

It was worth it to see you in a suit! :D

I was very happy with the outcome, I disagree with Coastkeeper on this issue, but I do not consider them the "enemy". As a surfer I've been soaking in our coastal waters for the last 30 years, without Coastkeeper and Surfrider our waters would be much more polluted than they already are. I also disagree with Surfrider positions occasionally but I remain a member because of the good things they do upstream to keep the pollution out of our coastal waters.

Hope to see _everyone_ on the 21st in Long Beach.

They do/did some good things. They just seem to be getting a little extreme lately. Kinda like what happened to the Sierra Club.

[PescadorPete]

And for those of you who may still be sitting in the background thinking your one voice doesn't count, think again. I would estimate the fisherman outnumbered the coastkeepers almost 10:1 yesterday and that made a big difference. Lets shoot for 10:1 on the 21st.

[-scallywag-]

I positive that Donna is not "on the fence" about this issue, between the other counsil members everything had pretty much already been said and there is no reason to step on her envioro pals toes if she doesn't have to. Did anyone see here swing that gavvel!!!(sp?)
I like the presence of the grassroots juggernaught at these meetings, and it felt good to hear the few coast keeper reps get torn a new one.:the_finger::sifone:

Don't quit now...that meeting was nothing and will have no effect on the outcome of the MLPA's if we don't show up in force here in october. We need new faces, im sure the BRTF is tired of being made :biggrinjester: by the same people. Show up and tell them what YOU think.

[fryguy]

Just watched the video and you guys kick ass. Thank you for your efforts - it's great when you see how difference they actually make.

It was really eye opening to hear the one councilwoman admit how little informed of the whole process and impact on local business that the MLPA is going to have. The personalization approach was the way to go. Enviros plea to people's emotions about the welfare of fisheries, but it was moreso effective to elaborate on the impact on the local economy and how in turn that will have a devastating affect on families, heritage, and culture. That study by about the fishery health was paramount. We should have more science ready, or at least know what they will cite as examples of their scientific evidence, so that we can counter or undermine their arguments.

One thing that keeps being overlooked is this idea of compromise. The enviros constantly push the argument that they've conceded and compromised so much already....well what are they conceding exactly. On the other aisle, people are conceding business, jobs, livelihoods, family and community heritage, the local culture...almost an entire industry. How is that given the same weight as the enviro motives? It's lead for gold.

Great stuff at this meeting. I will definitely be there on the 21st to join in battle.

[C. Cary]

:luxhello:Great job guys.

Way to hit a home run.

Great team work as well.

Let's finish strong. See you Oct. 21

I am bringing my wife and 2 daughters.

[PAL]

Guys, I'm in awe of your effectiveness. I shouldn't be, I've seen you at every MLPA meeting since Oxnard way back when. Sincerest thank-yous! Billy V, oustanding!

(Sorry folks I was at Cedros. It didn't suck. :))