MLPA meeting highlights / lowlights in real time

[PAL]

I'm posting real time updates from the meeting in real time via Facebook. There might be a talking point or two here. Follow it here: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=profile

[PAL]

Oops forgot to disable a privacy setting. Those posts should be available to everyone now. Sorry about that. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=profile#/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=name

[JoeBeck]

Thanks for all your work Paul and keeping us updated through your facebook page. :you_rock:

[PAL]

At it again today.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=name

If you're following the posts, ok, but why aren't you at the meeting? :confused:

For those who really can't join us today, send us all your well wishes. We need them.

[PAL]

One more time. Our fates will be decided in the next few hours: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=name

[Billy V]

What is the Cal Span Link to View the Meeting ??

-I have one up on the computer, but is not broadcasting Yet...Have they started yet ?

I just got off the Phone with Cal-Span -They are having trouble with the Vid link- and the Crew on location is NOT answering their phones !

The meeting started 23 minutes ago and still no Vid link.

[tylerdurden]

What is the Cal Span Link to View the Meeting ??

-I have one up on the computer, but is not broadcasting Yet...Have they started yet ?

I just got off the Phone with Cal-Span -They are having trouble with the Vid link- and the Crew on location is NOT answering their phones !

The meeting started 23 minutes ago and still no Vid link.

the fun never ends. This meetings av crew was bad. They did such a good job at all the other meetings.

[Billy V]

Game ON Right Now.

11:35 am

[JoeBeck]

Whats the link?

[JoeBeck]

Found it
http://www.cal-span.org/

[tylerdurden]

strap on your seat belts :eek:

[Billy V]

Meg From the looks of it.
(Things are going to be Wild Today.)
Combative - Aggressive - Argumentative - Over Opinionated- and - Wrong

[Corey]

According to Paul's facebook, a motion passed to send all 3 proposals forward to the DFG. Ugggh.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :puke:

[Billy V]

Yes- That was the 1 st. indication that nothing will get finalized Today.

The 2nd indication is Meg's Fury. Combative, Argumentative, Aggressive, Over Opinionated, and Wrong-As it is Meet by BTRF Greg-and Bill.

The 3rd is the Time Constrains for today.
Late checkout- flight reservations- etc.
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add to that the commentary of of the rsg.
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BTW Garth Murphy just Told Another LIE about deep Rock ! The guy just won't stop. Ignorant of the documented deep rock in Delmar.

[tylerdurden]

According to Paul's facebook, a motion passed to send all 3 proposals forward to the DFG. Ugggh.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :puke:


Yay. We get to do this again at the DFG meeting on December 10th in the LA area :luxhello::grouphug:

Is that the BRTF version of passing the buck and making it someone elses problem? or showing their division?

[JoeBeck]

Why are they discussing each section now if they are passing the 3 maps along?

[Billy V]

Paul is Killing it right Now.
-He is on his game-

[JoeBeck]

Good job Paul. Can't figure out how to comment on your Facebook page.

They kind of lost me with the fishing data.

[dsafety]

I am watching this thing online and am very confused. If the BRTF is not going to decide anything, why is the meeting still going on and what are they talking about?

Just a thought, if this thing is getting passed on to DFG and DFG does not have the funding to enforce any of these regulations, what is the point? Does anyone have a feeling for where this is headed?

Bob

[Holy Mackerel]

WTF!

[Billy V]

Yay. We get to do this again at the DFG meeting on December 10th in the LA area :luxhello::grouphug:

Is that the BRTF version of passing the buck and making it someone elses problem? or showing their division?

I guess that 18 Million Dollar donation from Packard was not enough to Buy all 3 MLPA regions of Kalifornia.

[Tman]

I am so glad my son and I had a chance to partake in this most unbiased process and got to truly see the inner workings of bureaucracy...

Incredible. To think after everyone's hard work we still are gonna end up getting a :the_finger: after all is said and done.

Like Tyler said,

Yay, we get to do it again in December....should we bus some kids in?

[tylerdurden]

I am so glad my son and I had a chance to partake in this most unbiased process and got to truly see the inner workings of bureaucracy...

Incredible. To think after everyone's hard work we still are gonna end up getting a :the_finger: after all is said and done.

Like Tyler said,

Yay, we get to do it again in December....should we bus some kids in?

The December repeat is just my read of the situation based on my limited knowledge and viewing of todays meeting.

[Billy V]

More Punishment- Sad Reality TV is Back Online-
but not from the Male BTFR

[Holy Mackerel]

post updates, I can't get facebook, or streaming media at work!

[PAL]

Guys, there's every chance they'll close this thing down today. That's if they don't deadlock 2-2.

They were ALWAYS going to forward all reasonable proposals. Thing is, the Commission has always rubber stamped the preferred alternative. The others are mostly there to fulfill red tape requirements for CA's environmental impact report laws, which require consideration of alternatives.

So far this is just debate / discussion. There are no decisions yet, but they are making A and B alternatives for each geography. Stay tuned.

[Billy V]

San Diego ON NOW !!!

WATCH IT, or MISS IT.

[Holy Mackerel]

San Diego ON NOW !!!

Damn, keep the updates coming!!!! :bigear:

[Billy V]

They cut the Video Link !

[bender0240]

Holy Mac:

(From Pau'ls blog)
La Jolla is up. A is south La Jolla and Swamis, existing Scripps. B is the same plus an expanded Scripps and the frickin' pier and our bait


Steven Green (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1436455601)Interesting that garth mentioned still allowing bait to be caught and kayak hook and line fishing north of the pier

Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000)I'll get them to clarify

[tylerdurden]

I missed that whole exchange. The damn feed just cut out.

[JoeBeck]

Yep me too!

Update from Paul
Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=mf) South La Jolla is gone, gone, gone. Pt Loma is in the clear. I think we'll get stuck with an expanded Scripps MPA, pushed out as far as the point. It sounds as if we'll keep our bait and maybe even pelagics north of the pier. I'll try to find out in the next bit of downtime.

[Holy Mackerel]

Holy Mac:

(From Pau'ls blog)
La Jolla is up. A is south La Jolla and Swamis, existing Scripps. B is the same plus an expanded Scripps and the frickin' pier and our bait


Steven Green (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1436455601)Interesting that garth mentioned still allowing bait to be caught and kayak hook and line fishing north of the pier

Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000)I'll get them to clarify

Thank you, I hope we kayakers get special consideration for North of Scripps!

keep the updates coming!

[rastrev]

Looks like they could give a #$% what we asked for yesterday. South LJ is the main focus of both sides in SD County.

A couple "positives";

Right before they went on break there was an argument made for pelagics allowed in water deeper than 50m in South LJ. I did not hear any complaints.

Also, there is an attempt to make the South LJ SMR smaller since the Swami's SMCA meets the size and spacing guidlines, even heard one of the guys on the BRTF speaking in favor of a smaller than 9 square mile SMR in LJ. Keep you fingers crossed

[bender0240]

What a disaster

[dsafety]

Hey Paul,

If you are monitoring, please correct the woman who claimed that kayaks can launch from the cove. No floating devices are allowed there. Other than Big Rock near Windansea there are no usable launches at the La Jolla rock beaches. Would closing South LJ mean that launches would be prohibited there?

Dare we hope that we may come out of this with somewhere we can still fish in LJ? The fact that they are considering allowing the catching of bait at the pier is a hopeful sign.

Keep your reports coming.

Bob

[Grego]

I think the West End of Catalina is clear!...yeah!! Rocky Point? we aren't getting updates on BT, so PAUL don't skip over updating Rocky Point PV info here.

[JoeBeck]

Problem is your going to have a mass of people all fishing one area in LJ and us who fish point loma will no longer have it to ourselves :mad:

[JoeBeck]

Yes looks like west end is clear but long point boat in camping is done.

[Billy V]

As Per Cal Span...

"The internet Feed in Long Beach is OUT, and they are unable to broadcast from that location"
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Go grab yourself some Maloxx, or RollAids.

[tylerdurden]

I was wondering what happened. Time to grab a beer and mourn the losses.

edit->
Feed is back up, but it says they are still on a short break.

[bender0240]

Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=mf) Got the word on the B option SMCA. "Recreational coastal pelagics by hook and line only." Sorry my amphibious friends, there's no joy for you. And I fear our YT spot is done. Someone please double check the MLPA definition of coastal pelagics.

[tylerdurden]

Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=mf) Got the word on the B option SMCA. "Recreational coastal pelagics by hook and line only." Sorry my amphibious friends, there's no joy for you. And I fear our YT spot is done. Someone please double check the MLPA definition of coastal pelagics.

Coastal pelagics mean bait only.

pelagic means yt, wsb, and t sharks.

:linesnap::linesnap::linesnap::linesnap::linesnap: :linesnap::the_finger::the_finger::the_finger::the _finger::the_finger::the_finger:

[JoeBeck]

They are starting back up

[tylerdurden]

Feed is back up and they are running.

[PAL]

Greg: Rocky Pt is looking pretty good. It'll be either an SMR farther down on the west face, or another one slightly north that gets the bottom 1/4 or so of RP. Cat West End is safe.

I'm going back to my Facebook feed. Please keep reposting the major stuff over here for me.

[Billy V]

Did I just hear that correctly 3 Potential Options for La Jolla for Further Discussion ?

The Smca @ Scripps & S. La Jolla
or
Map 2 Proposal as is
or
Swamis & Point Loma.............and All meet the SAT.
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So defer to the Economic Impact to PCFV and Recreation Fishing and The Local Businesses you fken dummies. :mad:

The Live Feed keeps cutting out. This is a nightmare.

[JoeBeck]

:the_finger::the_finger::the_finger::the_finger: I keep losing the feed. They need to improve there :the_finger: technology

[Billy V]

:the_finger::the_finger::the_finger::the_finger: I keep losing the feed. They need to improve there :the_finger: technology

Kill Them, Kill Them Now!

[Grego]

Greg: Rocky Pt is looking pretty good. It'll be either an SMR farther down on the west face, or another one slightly north that gets the bottom 1/4 or so of RP. Cat West End is safe.

I'm going back to my Facebook feed. Please keep reposting the major stuff over here for me.

Yeah..Rocky Point!

[Billy V]

Yeah..Rocky Point!

You earned it my friend.

[Gino]

talking about Laguna now

[Billy V]

How can I access Paul's Facebook if I am not a Facebook Member ?

Is there a way ?

[JoeBeck]

No, I had to become a member. Don't plan on using it after this.

[PAL]

Still fighting over the OC wedge. It does a number on free divers. the boundaries are impossible to figure out from the water unless you have it mapped on your GPS. Overall kayak fishing out of Newport and Dana are looking good. There's nothing at Doheny or the headlands. the SMCAs allow all finfish. The issue is the entire span of Laguna north of the Aliso outfall.

[JoeBeck]

Damn guidelines, they keep coming up. They did not listen to the people about the social economic impact. A shame for California.

"It does not restrict access it just means these people will not be able to fish"

[Gino]

I wont spend a dime of money in Laguna ever again. regardless of the outcome, they city council there obviously doesnt welcome buisness.

theres a reason why thier is no fishign /tackle stores in Laguna, the City wont give you the permit. bunch of fruitcakes

[tylerdurden]

Meg Caldwell just doesn't get it on the access issue. We need fishing/spearing only areas with no surfing, scuba, or swimming. Then the other side will know how we feel.

[B Slate]

How can anyone say any reserve does not restict access. Yet they said it multiple times:confused:

[MVC]

I would feel good about the whole system if those people from Laguna would get hosed. I can't believe that they would propose to close their entire coast. Alot of compromise there.

[Tman]

This is all utter nonsense...and they know it. That is the reason they had their tables set the way they were, to garner 'respect' and to let everyone know that they were in control. The rules were their's all along, they just had to play it out for appearance sake.

All you anti-fishers, you are seriously clueless, and when the SD/OC/LA economy starts taking a hit, and the DFG cuts back even more, and the price per pound for fish and lobster rise, we will make it a point to thank you with a :the_finger: salute, Bloody Decks style.

[joyjiggin']

More updates???????

[Tman]

I wont spend a dime of money in Laguna ever again. regardless of the outcome, they city council there obviously doesnt welcome buisness.

theres a reason why thier is no fishign /tackle stores in Laguna, the City wont give you the permit. bunch of fruitcakes

We will have to definitely have a Kayak Fishing/Spearfishing Tournament BBQ at Laguna...soon. And make sure you buy everything you need for the BBQ beforehand...you cannot shop in Laguna for anything.

Here we come Laguna...to take your fish, fill your trash cans, and not spend a stinkin' dime in your city...and make sure there's TP in the public bathrooms for us...:the_finger:

[tylerdurden]

More updates??????? We got screwed over bad in some areas. Others are not too bad. They just went in and totally messed up the maps.

They can't make decisions when they are not prepared to do it. It looks like no IPA will be made today.

In each region the BRTF has a couple different options for closures. They will decide between those choices, and make an IPA.

The decision will be made at a 1 day BRTF meeting in the LA area around November 10th.

[bender0240]

Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=mf) They are talking about a day long meeting in Los Angeles in November.

:shot::banghead::banghead::banghead:

[joyjiggin']

I never thought we'd get Laguna, that's where "Friends of the Seals," are, they are all tree-huggers at their best.

[Gino]

I would feel good about the whole system if those people from Laguna would get hosed. I can't believe that they would propose to close their entire coast. Alot of compromise there.


They are the cupcake city. Thier police department drives hybird cars and ATVs. Its really easy to make them pay for thier elitism, dont give them any of your buisness. not 1 penny.

2 laguna lady who came into the laguna beach mettign with the 2 dead gardibaldi is perfect example. DFG didnt wirt her a citation. why is she the exception?

After living in Dana Point for over 10 years, growing up there. and beign a frequent customer in thier city. no more for me.

[Gino]

We will have to definitely have a Kayak Fishing/Spearfishing Tournament BBQ at Laguna...soon. And make sure you buy everything you need for the BBQ beforehand...you cannot shop in Laguna for anything.

Here we come Laguna...to take your fish, fill your trash cans, and not spend a stinkin' dime in your city...and make sure there's TP in the public bathrooms for us...:the_finger:

Hell Tman, ill bring the TP for everyone! I'm down to get soemthign started.

[bender0240]

Paul Lebowitz (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000298961000&ref=mf) This next one day meeting is tentatively for Nov 10 in the LAX area, 9:30 to 5:00 pm.

Well at least it's not when MOST of us are working. Goddamn these people.

[PAL]

OMFG - they just put this thing on pause. We'll be back on Nov 10 somewhere in the LAX area. It may be time to rally the troops again. this is really a round 4 with BRTF alternatives.

Signing off now to head home. Guys, we need to crank it back up.
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[joyjiggin']

So is anything written in stone?? Or is it all still up in the air????

[Billy V]

Nothing is in stone.
Even More Options are on the table.

For La Jolla
Map 2 style -Delmar and Sunset Cliffs

-Swamis and Sunset Cliffs

-SMCA At Scripps to Allow hook and line coastal pelagic (and Maybe Pelagic)
South La Jolla to Crystal pier.

[tylerdurden]

Wow.

I watched the last hour with perfect feed. :eek:.

We get to go to another meeting and state our cases :luxhello:.

I am so sick of this entire thing.

Thank you to Paul and all the RSG members for sitting through this for our sake.

[Billy V]

Its because of the Stand we Made Last Night.

and we are going to have to do it again, this time for all the marbles.
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I need a rest.

[bender0240]

Billy: you have the impression LJ will be Map 2 style? I was thinking it looked more like Map 3. Did I miss something?

[Useful Idiot]

Nothing is in stone.
Even More Options are on the table.

For La Jolla
Map 2 style -Delmar and Sunset Cliffs

-Swamis and Sunset Cliffs

-SMCA At Scripps to Allow hook and line coastal pelagic (and Maybe Pelagic)
South La Jolla to Crystal pier.

FYI, for those who don't know- Coastal Pelagic = anchovies, sardines, mackerel, smelt, squid.

[tylerdurden]

Billy: you have the impression LJ will be Map 2 style? I was thinking it looked more like Map 3. Did I miss something?

It could be map 2 style, or 3, or some weird hybrid. They gave all the options.

Good news, no plan closes both South LJ and North PL.

-edit
When they archive the video in a day or so we can watch it again and see exactly what all the San Diego options were. It will be near the end.

[Useful Idiot]

It could be map 2 style, or 3, or some weird hybrid. They gave all the options.

Good news, no plan closes both South LJ and North PL.

-edit
When they archive the video in a day or so we can watch it again and see exactly what all the San Diego options were. It will be near the end.

If I heard them right, did one option say that a Del Mar SMR would replace the South LJ SMR? I'll have to watch the archive video.

[dsafety]

I was online following this thing all day. My take after watching the procedings is that while we don't yet know what is going to be the final outcome, it appears that we may have dodged the worst possible scenarios. Paul was there so I am sure he will have a better perspective.

With apologies to our brothers and sisters up north, my main concerns lie with what happens in San Diego. It looks like the three options being considered for this part of the world will all leave us with some to most of our favorite fishing grounds intact. We can hope that they just adopt option 2. From what I heard, there is at least one vote to do that. The other members of the BRTF were too hard to read so the outcome is still very much in doubt.

I found it interesting that the BRTF basically told the DFG rep that they really did not care if the final MLPA maps were enforceable. Seems pretty arrogant to me.

Bob

[Billy V]

It could be map 2 style, or 3, or some weird hybrid. They gave all the options.

Good news, no plan closes both South LJ and North PL.

Tyler,

Last night old Ken saved me as The Last Speaker. (I lost a bet with Zenspearo, it was going to be either one of us as punishment)

In my final public comments I asked for what we discussed, in a very pointed and respectful way.
-The stuff we need to preserve our sport -and for the spearos.

I was approached after the close of the meeting and asked to repeat it to one of our rsg friendlies for a discussion that apparently took place this morning, or late last night.
It certainly showed up at todays meeting.

[bender0240]

BIG BIG BIG thanks to all you guy's that are making this happen. I'm real sorry this isn't over yet for you guys.:o

[Corey]

Well, I'll go ahead and ask for november 10 off work then. :shot:

[Grego]

BIG BIG BIG thanks to all you guy's that are making this happen. I'm real sorry this isn't over yet for you guys.:o

"You guys" should mean you too...it isn't over for "Us" We all still have work to do and should be held accountable for not doing our part in this fight.

[bender0240]

Sorry. :doh:Just trying to show my gratitude for those that have sacrificed so much for this cause. I guess I should just keep my mouth shut.

Edit: I just know that those of you who have been doing this for so long must really want this to be over. I'm new to all this and I do, and will continue to do my small part.

[cioppino]

Of course you know it is going to be much more difficult for people to take the tenth of November off as the eleventh is Veterans day and most if not all public schools, gov offices, banks, etc.....will be taking that day off.

[PAL]

This is going to be a different sort of meeting. Early indications are the room will be small. Don't expect a public comment session like this week's.

We're still assessing how to proceed. This will require a different kind of engagment. Please bear with us as we puzzle things through. First steps are to identify our most pressing issues and to document why things should be changed in our favor.

And thanks for your readiness to answer the call again. Together we are making a huge difference.

[zenspearo]

Spearos are on deck again.

You can count on that.

[so cal shaggy]

As Paul stated it will be unlikely that public comment will be allowed on Nov 10 but that does not mean we should not be present. Our RSG reps need our local knowledge there to consult with us if necessary to help designate how the boundary lines should be anchored or moved.

[PAL]

Our RSG reps need our local knowledge there to consult with us if necessary to help designate how the boundary lines should be anchored or moved.

BINGO! Plan on 2 or 3 kayak anglers each from La Jolla, Dana Pt, the South Bay, Malibu and the north coast at the very least. You don't need to volunteer now, but please think about it. Those meetings seem lightning fast to me; the RSG reps need cool-headed back-up to make sure we didn't miss something critical.

[Grego]

...the RSG reps need cool-headed back-up to make sure we didn't miss something critical.

Guess I'm out for this one....this sounds like a job for RobMandel "TAKING AWAY OUR DAMN RIGHTS!!!" and CharlesVolken "ASK THE DAMN FISHERMAN!!!" hahahahaha....just mess'n with you guys!!