Scupper type cart question

[T Bone]

I need a new cart and was thinking of building the scupper type.I heard from somewhere that they can damage the scuppers.Has anyone had this experience?If you have one do you like it?

[tony]

The seam in the middle of the scupper hole tubes is the weakest part of the kayak mold. Constant jarring and banging within those scupper tubes could break the seam and start a leak.If you dont frequently go a lot of distance with the cart it probably doesnt matter, but if you develop a leak later its probably the scupper tubes. If you want to be super safe, pad the poles that go thru the scuppers as well as the area of the cart where the kayak sits, and perhaps goop the scupper tubes from inside your kayak. Scupper tube leaks can also develop from cranking down too hard on your vehicle tie down straps.The scupper carts are fast and easy, so it might save you that valuable minute or so when a cold beer is screaming your name at the landing. Unless you like building your own stuff it might be easier and about the same price to find a used one (scupper or sit on/with strap). I built one from PVC and it kind of sucked, but others on this site that are more mechanically inclined have had success.

[miguelitro]

two things-

I make my own carts by bending tube to fit an axle, custom for each kayak. really easy to make with the right tools, just a little heavy, but hey less likely to get stolen.
I have no pics right now, i should get some!
If you are still in need i will probably have some time soon if you are still looking. I usually charge beer and materials but it will last forever:D

secondly-
Your sig is awesome! The mayor of Law St. starts our xmas brunch prayer with that every year(for the last 25 years minus a couple) and it made me smile with a flood of the great memories!

Mike

[ronbo613]

I've built scupper dollies and cradle dollies. Scupper dollies are fine; but cradle dollies are better; you can use them with any kayak.
Make your own decision: you can make either one yourself (http://www.watermanatwork.com/KayakFishing/KayakRigging/KayakCarts/KayakCarts.html).

[dgax65]

I have no personal experience with the scupper-type carts, but i have seen more than a few reports on various forums of damaged/leaking scuppers as a result of using this type of cart. The scuppers are the weakest part of your kayak, so why would you want to subject them to repeated wear and shock? A standard cart would probably be better.

BTW; there are at least two AKFF members who have launched with the scupper carts still installed. They couldn't figure out where all the drag was coming from until they got back to the ramp. :doh::)

[Quilted Germ]

So much easier to just go buy a dolly type. I've experienced the damaged scupper due to the scupper type and had to have it professionally fixed....just not even worth the arguement....IMO, that is....

[T Bone]

I actually have a dolly type that I made,It just slips out from under the yak sometimes when I am dragging it aalong the sand at the CG station on NPH or it comes out from under when I hit that screwy driveway aat baby beach in Dana.I could probably just figure out a better way to strap it and be better off.Definitely seems like the no votes rule.I just thought the hobie carts were were scupper type and would be OK.

[fishinkid2010]

I just thought the hobie carts were were scupper type and would be OK.


You are correct, the Hobie carts are the scupper style. But if I'm not mistaken, Hobie reinforces their scuppers in order to accommodate the stress put on them.

[Billy V]

I have not had any problem with a scupper cart, even transporting a loaded kayak - bait tank, with 4 rods, dry bags in the hull, etc.

I also have a Hobie cart for sale with all terrain wheels, its strong.
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[Useful Idiot]

We've repaired countless scupper holes at OEX that have been damaged by those type of carts. When they were more popular we probably had one or two repairs a week caused by scupper carts. We haven't carried or recommended scupper carts for years. Go with the cradle style.

[fishes]

I too was wondering about the scupper carts but then I saw this. The guy who posted said the damage was due to the scupper type carts and pulling too hard on them. I don't have wheels as of yet but I will be going with the alternative.

http://imgur.com/Gn0uW.jpg

[Adam12]

I too was wondering about the scupper carts but then I saw this. The guy who posted said the damage was due to the scupper type carts and pulling too hard on them. I don't have wheels as of yet but I will be going with the alternative.

http://imgur.com/Gn0uW.jpg

That to me looks like the cart posts werent all the way through the scuppers when the cart was being used, since the damage is at the bottom of the scuppers.

[Gino]

BTW; there are at least two AKFF members who have launched with the scupper carts still installed. They couldn't figure out where all the drag was coming from until they got back to the ramp. :doh::)


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[Billy V]

Maybe the Hobies are stronger boats. I never had a problem on my last 3 kayaks.

[miguelitro]

i looked at cart when i bought my sled but i could not find any that held it high enough for me to drag it with out bending low. Mine is about a foot.5 off the ground and i can stand up while dragging it to the beach which i think makes a big difference...
ps scuppers are for peeing in:D
Mike

[ronbo613]

Since I usually have to haul my kayak over rocks, logs and up and down steep hills; it's a little higher off the ground than a "standard' cart.
Cradle dollies have the advantage of being able to use them with different kayaks; one size fits all.

[Duke]

Did you make that yourself?

[ronbo613]

Yep: it's "custom built". You can make one too (http://www.watermanatwork.com/KayakFishing/KayakRigging/KayakCarts/KayakCarts.html#KayakCradleDolly).

[Siebler]

Hobie carts work without damage because they are designed to be used together. The posts on the cart allow for very very little movement in the scuppers which cuts down a lot on the wear and tear of the scuppers.

Other than Hobie Kayaks being used with Hobie Carts I 100% recommend the cradle style carts. Like Brian said we repair a ton of scuppers that crack from bad carts.

[senojmj]

This is why I come to this site often, you learn something new all the time. I started with a homemade cradle cart, but found to be hard to load the boat. The cart would always slip out when I would be securing it to the cart. I then went to a scupper cart. After this "intervention" I am going to back to the cradle cart. Is there a trick to getting the cart not to slip out while loading it?

[fishes]

This is why I come to this site often, you learn something new all the time. I started with a homemade cradle cart, but found to be hard to load the boat. The cart would always slip out when I would be securing it to the cart. I then went to a scupper cart. After this "intervention" I am going to back to the cradle cart. Is there a trick to getting the cart not to slip out while loading it?

A buddy of mine had the same problem when we were wheeling his yak back to the car. We found that when you put the cart under the mid section and loop the tie down through the kayak handles there was less slippage and the load was lighter and easier to pull.

[senojmj]

After seeing the pics of the busted scupper holes, I spent some time today making a new cradle cart. Ditched the old scupper cart. As I stated earlier I had a hard time with my first cradle cart slipping out as I was trying to load it. I searched some forums and youtube and found several great ideas. I modified one I found on youtube. It is made out of 1 1/4 inch pvc.
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My old cart did not break down, I would just strap it to the back of the boat. This will fit inside my kayak.:)
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The best part is that it does not slip out when loading it on to the kayak. Having the extenders on the front of the kayak made a big difference. If it wasn't for this forum, I probably would have busted scuppers at some point, so Thanks!