Red Tide is thick

[Billy V]

I fished LJ on the skiff today, the Red Tide is thick. This was worse than last week.

The water was mud brown all the way from S. La Jolla to the NW corner, and out to 220 ft. of water.

All I could find was this little guy, far away from LJ.
A quick pic, hook removal and successful release.
The rest of the fish have left town - for now.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0d825b3127ccefa1c688a247000000030O00AbMmzFizcN2 IPbz4M/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

[467echo]

could you tell how it was north of the peir? Giving me second thoughts:confused:

[GregAndrew]

Thanks for the info Billy. Guess I will have to stay up north on Sun.

[Billy V]

I headed North for a while and found a little bit of clean water, but by 2 PM it was turning brown as well.

On the way home to Dana Landing Launch I tried South LJ again but it was still bad water.
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The schools of bait were absent today. I found some directly in the kelp, and a small school up north, but it was scarce.

[driftwood]

Thanks Billy for the timely report. I was hoping you use your oven today to bake fresh fish. I'm glad it works good Job!!

[lterrero]

Too bad we cannot keep them, I've heard they are good for eating, very tasty.

[Dan]

bet it had ya going for the first run!

[Riskey Water]

Anything that sits around all day long sucking up :lobster:lobsters is bound to taste good,too bad that they grow so slow .Now if they grew as fast as dorado we all be in business .Good job on the C&R

[Iceman]

talk to the divers, usually red tide only in the upper column...................fish below it.

[Geoffkoop]

The red tide was terrible yesterday. Could not find any blue water except for in the reserve. Paddled to about 375 ft at nw corner and couldn't find any clean water. Talked to a diver who said it sucked too.

[Billy V]

bet it had ya going for the first run!

It sure did ..lol

I was completely on the bottom slow drifting the sand in "the halibut spot" with a 6" greenie.

A complete up and down fight - You just never know what will come up.

[miguelitro]

water is clearing up over here

[blackcloud9]

Water still horrible here in WindanSea area at least out to the kelp.

[TCS]

Surfed scripps at the glass-off. Full on red tide.

[Thirsty_Fish]

what type of conditions does it take to clear out the red tide?

[The Kid]

what type of conditions does it take to clear out the red tide?

loads of current and wind and water temp reaching a certain temp idk wat that is but it burns off typically a month after it depends on conditions.

Billy i bet that thing dragged the skiff hard

[wavster]

Today (Saturday) I paddled from LJ Shores to Pt. Loma lighthouse (and back).
The ride tide extends all the way south within 1/2 mile from shore. On the
outside, it's a bit cleaner.

[WahooUSMA]

Any updates on the red-tide today?

[Billy V]

Its still in LJ and extends a good ways out to deep water.
There is also dirty water north of scripps.

These are the conditions as of 5 pm

[WahooUSMA]

Thanks Billy - Looks like Newport or Dana tomorrow.

[h2ofishfo]

man these red tides are getting closer together in time must be GLOBAL WARMING or people killing fish in lajolla al gore says so his wife told me last night :biggrinjester:

[JordanRHughes]

How long do red tides last?

Thanks in advance.

Jordan.

:reeling:

[kurtfish]

I spent 12 hours on the water in LJ on a skiff the Sat. and did find some clean water off the surf park south kelp with bass and barries under the birds. I did not see one sport boat as they must be getting their leagal barries and Yellowtail sprinkled in off IB as they are no where to be seen today as well.

The Barries we caught off Tourmoline were pencils but we did get a couple 3 or 4lb. Calis. I chased brids schools until after sunset and casted iron till my arms were tried for no Yellow Love. I then tied to the kelp and soaked Macs for no WSB love but kept awake casting Dines intot he kelp to play with the Calis. Called it a night around 8:30 pm and made it to the Barefoot Bar before the kitchen's last call.

Any on the water reports from IB ??

Tight Lines, Kurtfish

[civic fisher]

Mission bay was soupy on the weekend,but yest it was pretty clean.I could see the red tide sitting right at the edge of the jetty mouth but it wasn't really entering the bay.

[Dan]

LJ was tomato soup this AM, 1ft vis

[WahooUSMA]

LJ was tomato soup this AM, 1ft vis


The conditions are that bad?

[dsafety]

If the red tide scares away the bait and surface fish it would seem to me that the bottom fish might be hungrier than normal. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Maybe it is time to try to catch that big halibut. Of course, you would still need to find some bait.

Bob

[shortstack]

If the red tide scares away the bait and surface fish it would seem to me that the bottom fish might be hungrier than normal. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Maybe it is time to try to catch that big halibut. Of course, you would still need to find some bait.

Bob


Dragin squid, Surf perch!:D

[-scallywag-]

The conditions are that bad?

Went for a evening dive, the cove was soupy, found the color break at the outside WNW kelp, 15+vis and fishy.....

[umtduckhead]

whats the word on todays report? redtide still around?

[THE DARKHORSE]

I love Tomato soup ;).

[JoeGoFish]

I fished LJ on the skiff today, the Red Tide is thick. This was worse than last week.

The water was mud brown all the way from S. La Jolla to the NW corner, and out to 220 ft. of water.

All I could find was this little guy, far away from LJ.
A quick pic, hook removal and successful release.
The rest of the fish have left town - for now.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0d825b3127ccefa1c688a247000000030O00AbMmzFizcN2 IPbz4M/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
I sure hope you were able to get this guy back to the bottom. I watched another angler leave an 80#+ GBSB flapping on the surface for the gulls to peck at. Hopefully you are more enlightened than that moron.

[deepdvr]

Usually when someone mentions a 'successful release', its not referring to just getting the hook out of the BSB's mouth. :rolleyes:

[dorado50]

Don't really think you need to worry about Billy.... I'm just wondering why the 80# BSB was not rescued by yourself or another????:(

[desert_s10]

I sure hope you were able to get this guy back to the bottom. I watched another angler leave an 80#+ GBSB flapping on the surface for the gulls to peck at. Hopefully you are more enlightened than that moron.


Great way to start things off on the right foot. Welcome to to forums and very informative first post.

Question is, what did YOU do to help the "BSB flapping on the surface" that you watched. I hope you lectured/showed those angles as to the proper way to release the BSB that I assume you took the time to send back down properly.
:you_rock:


Gary

[driftwood]

I sure hope you were able to get this guy back to the bottom. I watched another angler leave an 80#+ GBSB flapping on the surface for the gulls to peck at. Hopefully you are more enlightened than that moron.

Joe, your story is BS.. nice try dude!

[Aaron]

...I'm just wondering why the 80# BSB was not rescued by yourself or another????:(

Are you kidding!?!? He said there were insane, vicious, rabid gulls there! They'll peck your eye out kid. Its why i can't catch fish...I actually run away from the birds. NO bsb is worth that shit. Right move on letting the thing float away and die slowly. Good of you to call someone out on your first post too...:rolleyes:

welcome to the forum...its all in jest and is more the result of me being pissed b/c I had to work today and couldn't fish.

No tomato soup out there...more like hawaiian punch...the red kind, not the green.

[JoeGoFish]

Joe, your story is BS.. nice try dude!
And I had heard that kayak fishermen were a friendly bunch. Sheesh. For your edification, I was not challenging the integrity of your buddy, I was merely chiming in on a subject that I have a bit of knowledge, and first hand experience with. For your group enlightenment, and BS meter debunking, the link to the GBSB rescue, performed by me, and three of my fishing buddies, is posted here on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfKhW2nlo0

You will see and hear that I not only took the time to help the fish, but in the beginning of the video, you can hear me explaining to the guy who caught the fish, what we are about to do. I have two descender rigs in my tackle bag, just for this purpose. I've personally witnessed careless, and wasteful anglers dumping bloated fish overboard, only to be killed by birds, boats, or seals. A simple device, and a little bit of effort can get these fish back into the breeding schools they came from.

You will also see that the video of the floundering fish is virtually identical to the photo in the posting. Call it post traumatic stress disorder, or a knee jerk reaction on my part, but when I see an endangered fish prostrate on the ocean, it gets my dander up.

You guys are real ambassadors of the sport...

[driftwood]

I sure hope you were able to get this guy back to the bottom. I watched another angler leave an 80#+ GBSB flapping on the surface for the gulls to peck at. Hopefully you are more enlightened than that moron.

Your First post left me a little confused. your introduction was concern for the BSB.

Your conclusion.... "I watched another angler leave an 80#+ GBSB flapping on the surface for the gulls to peck at. Hopefully you are more enlightened than that moron"

Your post had a very sad ending with a small touch of insults...leaving us to guess that you watched the fish die a very slow death. No kayak fisherman would ever do that! And thats why i called it BS.

Your 2nd post Made your principals ideas emphasized. Thank you for clearing things up. Good job on the release...

[steveooo]

And I had heard that kayak fishermen were a friendly bunch. Sheesh.


Yikes! Sorry the mob jumped on ya a little prematurely Joe. I'd say for the most part everyone on the board here is friendly, except when the fishing is slow. Throw a little red tide into the mix for a couple days after they enjoyed a couple months of phenomenal fishing, and they might be a little grumpy. Welcome :cheers1:

[sandydiego]

And I had heard that kayak fishermen were a friendly bunch. Sheesh. For your edification, I was not challenging the integrity of your buddy, I was merely chiming in on a subject that I have a bit of knowledge, and first hand experience with. For your group enlightenment, and BS meter debunking, the link to the GBSB rescue, performed by me, and three of my fishing buddies, is posted here on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfKhW2nlo0

You will see and hear that I not only took the time to help the fish, but in the beginning of the video, you can hear me explaining to the guy who caught the fish, what we are about to do. I have two descender rigs in my tackle bag, just for this purpose. I've personally witnessed careless, and wasteful anglers dumping bloated fish overboard, only to be killed by birds, boats, or seals. A simple device, and a little bit of effort can get these fish back into the breeding schools they came from.

You will also see that the video of the floundering fish is virtually identical to the photo in the posting. Call it post traumatic stress disorder, or a knee jerk reaction on my part, but when I see an endangered fish prostrate on the ocean, it gets my dander up.

You guys are real ambassadors of the sport...

Would you mind posting a couple of shots of your decender rig? Would be nice to know how to make one. Nice video.

Steve

[roadx]

good info on descender rigs, bloated fish


http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/pdfs/release.pdf

[sandydiego]

Thanks for the info!

[Holy Mackerel]

Well, I guess I will join in this conversation. Fish do not eat during red tide. :D

Anyone watch that goofball on Big Water Adventures, not to be confused with (BWE). Mark Davis... I have been wanting to bring this up, because he pushes this product for venting swim bladders. I think there have been a lot of posts about high mortality rates puncturing swim bladders, not to be confused with the stomach. Not sure this is a good idea, but what do I know... :biggrinjester:

Any thoughts? :alberteinstein:

http://www.teammarineusa.us/

[Tman]

Good job on the save...:cheers1:

FWIW, I have actually paddled over to a boat that had a BSB floundering, while the kooks took their time, and I became the one to cut the line and get the big boy oriented to head back down where he belonged.

Much easier for us yakkers to safely release them.

As far as puncturing the bladder, I have read that not only do you have to be extremely careful and make sure you get the bladder only, either way infection could set in regardless of what you puncture.

[roadx]

the venting tool to ME seems the easy way out. i would think that department of fish and game has done more studies on this then then makers of venting tools. but what the hell do i know ???

[erinoo]

About a month ago I caught a huge BSB. As I got him to the top of the waterI saw he had that big dildo coming out his mouth. He then start floating belly up. I freaked and wasn't sure what to do at that point. I took the hook out of his mouth and tried to turn him right side up. He was so big I couldn't keep him turned right. Then all of a sudden a big burst of air shoots out of his pie-hole, as the air came out the bladder began to subside back down his throat. I then got him turned over, got some water moving through his gills and he swam off...It was pretty cool...

[Dan]

you did the right thing on the kayak. no poking holes in fish. Keep the gills under water and lip em like a big bass. once they get a little life back in em, which is just a matter of time, they will equilibrate their bladder and be able to swim back down.

i think the mob jumped on the new guy because we kayakers (or PBs who fish like a kayaker) seem to be magnets for these things and dealing with them is more of a hassle than an out of control floundering experience.

[Holy Mackerel]

the venting tool to ME seems the easy way out. i would think that department of fish and game has done more studies on this then then makers of venting tools.

What you don't trust the objectivity from the makers of this product! :sifone:

Btw, I am not pushing this tool, when I saw the episodes using it, I thought it was irresponsible.

I have caught a BSB like Billy V.'s and snapped a quick picture just like the one in this thread. A couple seconds later, after flushing water in it's gills, it sounded with a big BOOM back to the bottom.

[Billy V]

I've never had a BSB not be able to swim away and back down to the bottom, this one included.

I have caught quite a few of them over the years on the kayak so you need to learn how to handle them. That urgency is dictated by the fishes condition as it reaches the surface - some come up with liveliness and some are belly up and motionless.

-I don't puncture any part of the fish, and have never found it necessary. I wouldn't attach anything else to the fish that may cause it to tangle, or become hooked again.

Once I remove the hook, I peddle forward with my Hobie while holding the fish by the open mouth or by the gill plate. When water flows through the gills the fish will quickly recover and splash away.
(I can employ the same technique from the skiff)

That is exactly what was taking place in this pic that was shot by a fellow kayak angler.
Another successful release with hook removal.:)

With my method You See a Live Fish Strongly Swim Away - in the Video I saw a floundering fish get dragged to the bottom with 12 lbs of lead after much handling.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0dc03b3127ccef93996c2469e00000030O00AbMmzFizcN2 IPbz4M/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

[-scallywag-]

Like the others said....DON'T POKE THE FISH!!!! Billys release tequnique is the best...keep the water flow'in over thier gills until they "fart" sometimes it takes a little while after that they will swim away happy....


Popping the swim bladder is bad for two reasons that I know of:
Infection..... and
Starvation

If the fish cannot obtain or maintain neutral bouyancy then it will be burning alot more energy just to maintain position in the water column tiring it out and burning up valuable hunting energy. This is just my guess as I have no "scientific evidence" to support it.

[blackcloud9]

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/ocal/archives/j_f_05_16-19.pdf

Here is an article on this recommendation from DFG.

But what do you do after 45 minutes of revival attempts, when it's still
belly-up? I carry a clean hollow needle for this scenario as a last ditch
effort, sorry but I do.

[Whizz Bang]

Rabble! Rabble! Rabble! BSB! Rabble! Swim bladder!

Must be the soup....just had a BSB come belly up on me last week. Tilted him upright and pedalled him a little ways (hobies are great for this) and he got real lively on me.

[Dean Machine]

The red tide is getting thicker/deeper. :rolleyes: