MLPA Public Comment!

[Holy Mackerel]

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/adi/pics/allhands.jpg

I was waiting to post this until we got into October, but we only have a couple more times to speak up to the DFG commission. Each time to speak counts, show up to cede time, or speak, the more fishermen who show up for support the better!


Please attend...

October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. ???????

[dmrides]

2. I'll be there.

[Holy Mackerel]

C'mon everyone, y'all gonna make me beg you to speak out or attend this meeting to preserve your fishing rights?? If so, I am begging you to attend this meeting! :reel:

[deepdvr]

I'm there

[Holy Mackerel]

BUMP, yes, this is a quick bump, however, your committment, and participation is too............. :cool:

[AquaticHunter]

I'll be there

Mike

[steveooo]

In!

[dgax65]

Has the agenda been released yet? I checked the website and they don't have it posted yet.

http://www.fgc.ca.gov/meetings/2010/2010mtgs.asp

I doubt they will have public comments for this issue on both days.

[cowboybill]

I wonder if they will change the meeting at the last minute or ???

How long does each person have to speak?


cowboybill:jig:

[FISHIONADO]

See you there.

[old_rookie]

What time?

[Holy Mackerel]

What time?

I'd count on 8am - ???

but we will update this thread when the specific details come out.

[PAL]

Good to see you Chris!

I'll be there.

Yes, most likely they'll take comment on only one day.

The commission usually allots 2 to 3 minutes per speaker, but we expect this meeting to be packed. Actual time provided will be less. At a previous meeting, it took - TEN - ceded speaker's cards to add a minute of extra time for a particular speaker.

I can't stress enough how much showing in strength helps our cause. You HAVE to be there. Every time we've failed to show, we get hammered.

[JoeBeck]

I'll be there and in SB.

[roadx]

i'll be there. please let us know in advance time(s) of the meeting(s) so i can put in a leave slip for work

[kurt]

Another family reunion. See you there.

[cabojohn]

10/20 is open for me...I will be there.
dress code?:confused:

[The Kid]

ill be there

[CurtyL]

Here we go folks :(

[FISHIONADO]

It's seriously time for folks to step up. It was disappointing to see how many regulars never got involved in the last rounds. It's understandable that some people can't attend the meetings, but there are other ways to support. If you can't attend in person write letters or talk someone else into going. We made a difference last time and we can this time also. The more people we have that present themselves in a respectful manner to stand up for smart decisions (based on science not emotion) the better our chances for success.

I enjoy fresh seafood and I want a sustainable harvest and ecosystem. Nothing more or less. I completely support the DFG enforcing the regulations required to maintain a sustainable ecosystem. Let's set up the DFG to do their job with slot limits or whatever is required to manage each species. It seems the 28" minimum and removal of gill nets was a huge success for the SoCal WSB, been enjoying that success at the dinner table!
:wsb::wsb::wsb::wsb::wsb:

[Nic D]

Id really like to be there, however Im flying to the East Cape on the 20th

[bluesquids]

Can't wait. More fun than a Barrel o' Monkeys.

[jbm]

I'd like to come. Can someone explain in a little more detail what is involved? Does it require a whole day of being there? I've got kids, work, other commitments; but if someone can give me a better idea of what to expect, I'll make all the arrangements I can to come support a science based sustainability approach over the "hug the fishies" mindset.

[Matt]

Yep I'll be there

[PAL]

I'd like to come. Can someone explain in a little more detail what is involved? Does it require a whole day of being there? I've got kids, work, other commitments; but if someone can give me a better idea of what to expect, I'll make all the arrangements I can to come support a science based sustainability approach over the "hug the fishies" mindset.

These questions will be much easier to answer once the Commission gets around to publishing an agenda. Until then some of this is guesswork.

The short answer is yes, you can still help even if you can't come for the entire meeting. Everyone who comes should come early and fill out a speaker card - even if you don't want to speak! You can cede your time to others. When you consider it can take 10 cards to get an extra minute, you'll see how everyone is needed.

This is a bit too much "Inside Baseball" - I can't help it after sitting through so many meetings.

Please have faith - we'll have the info you need soon.

[Tman]

I'd like to come. Can someone explain in a little more detail what is involved? Does it require a whole day of being there? I've got kids, work, other commitments; but if someone can give me a better idea of what to expect, I'll make all the arrangements I can to come support a science based sustainability approach over the "hug the fishies" mindset.

Not to reiterate Paul's post, he is absolutley correct that we need everyone to do all that they can, whether they can attend or not.

If you are able to attend, expect alot of comraderie and support, and feel free to ask any questions you may have to get a better idea of what is going on...I'll refrain from elaborating on that further...

If you do plan to attend, I would consider planning to stay the entire day, usually they have the 'extensive public input' part at the end. At least that's how most of the meetings have been; mind you, this is after the BRTF announces what the detailed agenda will be for either that evening, or the next day, usually followed by one of the task force asking if they wouldn't mind repeating everything that was just said since they couldn't seem to comprehend it all...I personally think that is just a stall tactic to waste more time in order to cut short the 'extensive public input' session...but I digress.

Hopefully this meeting will be much more than smoke and mirrors, and all involved, including the DFG, will actually realize what is exactly at stake.

You sign up in the morning for your speaker card and have to have them turned in at a certain time. If you are uncomfortable, or semi-uncomfortable speaking in front of large groups, or don't know exactly what to say, not a prob, it is best to cede your speaking time to somebody else. They will do their best to convey the points you would like them to touch on.

Usually those who have never attended any of these meetings end up staying for the duration and leave with more knowledge of the entire process, more than what one could actually read about, better yet, fathom.

[newguy01]

SEE YOU THERE MATT

[Holy Mackerel]

October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. ???????
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[WahooUSMA]

October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. ???????
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In

[Corey]

I'll be there and will try to bring some others that are not online.

[Ohana]

I am planning on being there. Anyone from southern Orange County going so we can carpool down there?

I will also post this meeting notice on some other forums I am a member of to see if we can get some people from these groups to participate.

Kevin

[zinkysd]

I'm in. What color shirts are we wearing?


Ken
Team Dana Point Jet Ski

[FISHIONADO]

Bump. Now is the time to step up.

[zenspearo]

The Waterman's Alliance will be on hand to give out t-shirt to all conservation-fisherman attendees and with pizza/drinks for everyone.

The spearos are taking care of those details as a gesture of appreciation to the wider conservation fishing community (and especially to the kayakfishermen who have led the charge most of the way).

The speaking points are being worked on and should be ready in a week, in plenty of time for the meeting.

Let's do this critical meeting in style!

[FISHIONADO]

The Waterman's Alliance will be on hand to give out t-shirt to all conservation-fisherman attendees and with pizza/drinks for everyone.

The spearos are taking care of those details as a gesture of appreciation to the wider conservation fishing community (and especially to the kayakfishermen who have led the charge most of the way).

The speaking points are being worked on and should be ready in a week, in plenty of time for the meeting.

Let's do this critical meeting in style!

Very cool, hope to buy you guys a beer after we take care of business.

[Holy Mackerel]

October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. ???????

[PAL]

:you_rock: The list is looking better.

We still have a long way to go.

If they aren't on this list, reach out to your other friends and ask them nicely to attend. If they don't get it, twist their arms and break out the peer pressure.

A hard core of kayak anglers and divers battled hard to hang onto ANY piece of La Jolla. The fight's not over. Rally up!

For those just coming into this thing, we need you! If you love kayak fishing, it's time to do your part.

[zenspearo]

:you_rock: The list is looking better.

We still have a long way to go.

If they aren't on this list, reach out to your other friends and ask them nicely to attend. If they don't get it, twist their arms and break out the peer pressure.

A hard core of kayak anglers and divers battled hard to hang onto ANY piece of La Jolla. The fight's not over. Rally up!

For those just coming into this thing, we need you! If you love kayak fishing, it's time to do your part.

Paul is exactly right. This 11th hour firing of neutral Commissioner Sutsos a week ago (Sept. 28) and the substitute appointment of a Heal-the-Bay (affectionately known to many fishermen as "Steal the Bay") board member (Bayliss) as a Commissioner mirrors a move made earlier in the North Central Coast process when Benninghoven was appointed at the 11th hour to deliver the vote that devastated that region for fishermen.

The same treachery is about to happen again in SoCal.

We can expect the Fish and Game Commission meeting on Oct. 20-21st to be decidedly tilted in favor of the closure crowd with this newly created 3-2 pro-closure majority. They will decide on YOUR map, your area where you kayakfish.

As before with the SAT and BRTF, corruption can only be checked to some degree by public participation, outcry, and scrutiny.

Expect the pro-closure crowd to push for more closures and to shut you out of more of your kayakfishing areas. It's not a done deal and they are seeing an opening to take away more at this latest turn with a pro-closure FG Commission.

http://bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=8447

If the pro-closure side gets their way, most of the kayakfishing areas in La Jolla, PV, Malibu, Catalina will also be gone. We will also not have a chance to address the egregious closure shape (which makes zero logical sense except to lock out shore fishing access and launching) at Laguna.

We need you there Oct. 20/21 at the San Diego FG&C meeting. We didn't think we would as badly this late in the process but the latest political maneuver at the 11th hour to stack the voting against us has made this meeting more critical than ever.

Without you, the closure crowd will have unchecked opportunities to push for closing all of the kayakfishing areas (kayakfishermen and divers are the most vulnerable in this process since our paddling/diving areas are a tiny sliver of the CA coast, and nearly all of them are targeted).

This is why you see guys frantically calling for your help. Without you on Oct. 20/21, all the earlier hard work will be for naught.

Dig deep kayakfishermen. This is the last meeting that the maps will be created/dissected/discussed for the SoCal MLPA process. Be there.

Note: Our joint communities have speaking points. We have speakers. But we need people to show up to cede time too. You being there ceding time so our side can have a chance to make their point for kayakfishing access will mean all the difference.

[C. Cary]

Count me in

[dfroggy54]

I will be there.

[roadx]

i believe a must see clip

http://www.youtube.com/user/mlpainfo#p/a/u/0/onYvUZPjhNA

[zenspearo]

If you have any doubt that the bullseye is on La Jolla, here it is.



SD Coastkeeper is working overtime to expand the closure in La Jolla even further beyond the already expansive IPA.

So the BRTF grabbed nearly all of Laguna coast in the IPA, and a huge chunk already South La Jolla. The reason offered was they already made "concession":rolleyes: in SD and PV. Now the pro-closure side is going back to capture more of La Jolla. So much for "compromise" and "concession." :rolleyes::(

And guess what? They are emboldened with the 11th hour substitution of Bayliss (of Heal the Bay) for the more neutral Sutsos among the Fish and Game Commissioners. If we don't show up, we likely will lose even more of La Jolla, even more than what the BRFT's IPA already took out.

http://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/quick-links/events/view/29.html

Our oceans are in trouble. On October 20, the California Fish and Game Commission will meet in San Diego to discuss a plan for a new system of marine protected areas (MPAs) along the Southern California coast. MPAs can help replenish depleted fish populations, restore ocean habitats and have proven an effective tool for restoring ocean health around the world.
San Diego Coastkeeper will be at the hearing in person supporting the expansion of a proposed marine reserve in south La Jolla, along with supporting many other MPAs in the south coast. This is the last discussion meeting of the Commission before the marine protected areas are adopted into law. We need passionate people like you to join us at this meeting to help ensure the Commission chooses a plan strong enough to work.
If you’re interested in attending and demonstrating your support in person (yep, just being a “body in the room” counts – public comment is optional), please rsvp here so we can keep you updated.
Can’t make the meeting (it’s a work day, we understand)? Consider taking just 23 seconds to send in this support letter instead. Thank you so much for your support!

Here's the text of the petition they want people to sign.

http://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/act/speak-up/south-la-jolla-marine-protected-areas.html

Fish and Game Commissioners

c/o California Fish and Game Commission

1416 Ninth Street P.O. Box 944209

Sacramento, CA 94244-2090

Re: South La Jolla Marine Protected Areas

California Fish and Game Commissioners,

I’m writing to ask you to support the conservation plan, known as Proposal 3, for the Southern California Study Region of the Marine Life Protection Act, which will provide critical protection for south La Jolla. Over two million visitors are drawn to La Jolla each year, making its health and vitality of top-most concern to local residents and businesses.

The health of our ocean and the health of our economy cannot be separated. In order to maximize the bang for our conservation buck, we should follow the science and create a nine-square-mile reserve at south La Jolla.(Edit::mad:) Please help keep this global attraction healthy and its tourism-based economy strong. (Edit: note the sly causation linkage--close the ocean and tourism will prosper. :rolleyes:)

As California’s fish populations have declined over the past several decades, tourism and recreation have become increasingly important for coastal communities. Since 1990, revenues from commercial fishing have declined by more than half and the number of fishing boats calling at California ports has declined by nearly three quarters.

By protecting special places like south La Jolla, we can turn around this downward trend while keeping our tourism industry strong.

The Marine Life Protection Act is California’s chance to be a leader in ocean stewardship and science-based management. I urge you to seize that opportunity and adopt Proposal 3, and create a nine square-mile reserve at south La Jolla.(Edit: :mad:)

Sincerely,
[Your name]
[Your email address]
[Your mailing address]

[FISHIONADO]

You don't hear the hardcore asking for help often, we are asking for help now. Please commit to showing up. This is too critical to ignore. Please stand up and pull your weight.

[Holy Mackerel]

October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. ???????
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[Matt]

C'mon fellas let's smash theese fools in pure numbers!!!!!!

[bubblehide]

Unfortunately I will be out of town. But give them hell!

[Billy V]

I only wish we could settle this the old fashion way....

-I'll be there.

[Holy Mackerel]

October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. ???????

[IntrntFshrman]

If it's in the a.m. I will be there the 21st

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Thanks to everyone that will be there. I already had an East Cape trip planned or I would be there too. Kick some Ass for us

[PAL]

We have a meeting time. The MLPA is agenda item #3 on Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am.

[fryguy]

Warning - this will piss you off.

I don't mix work and play, but I love fishing, and this kills me. I have my own feelings about the MLPA, but this effort by the Coastkeeper is just plain dirty.

Just to give you an idea of the effort by Coastkeeper - they are going all in, and are intentionally recruiting uninformed people to sabotage the meeting. Here is a message that I recently recieved in my email. I've taken the liberty of omitting any identity information, so please don't ask me any questions about that.

Dear Teachers,
For those of you that do not know me, my name is *****. I am a senior This year I am **** Club Co-President along with ******.
As some of you may know, if you were approached by members of the *** Club, we were asked, by California Coast Keeper, to participate in a hearing about increasing the amount of marine reserves in the San Diego area. We are currently working on a short documentary, in support of developing these reserves, to present at the hearing. Additionally, *** Club was asked to spread the word about attending the hearing to the **** community.
The hearing will be on October 20th at the Sheritan Hotel on Arrow Rd. just off the 8. Coast Keeper has graciously offered to provide transportation, lunch and t-shirts for students and teachers who attend. Pick up would be around 9AM and hearing goes until 12PM. This is a great way to help protect our oceans from over fishing through showing our support for the new reserves.
**** Club, along with ***** will be attending the hearing and the more people who attend, the better. We are trying to get an accurate count of who will be attending this hearing by Thursday October 7th. If you would like to have your whole class attend the hearing that would be wonderful and the extra chaperons would be appreciated. Additionally, if you would like, students from **** Club can present to your class on the issue, allowing students to decide for themselves if they would like to attend, sending only a small percentage of your class. If you would not like your students to attend, it is understandable. If you have students that are planning to attend please have them find me or ***** for permission slips. Thank you for your time! If you have any questions, feel free to email me at *** or find me in school.



This drives me nuts. Trying to manipulate and use uninformed students for someone else's personal agenda is just plain wrong. I have a unique opportunity to address this issue head on, and any information that you can give, such as REAL evidence or reasons why not to support the MLPA, that I can present to my students would be a great help for our interests. Hell, I'm thinking about starting the KEEP SD FISHING club. Also, now that you know this is coming, it will be our fault for not being prepared. We should expect this at the meeting and prepare for it.

Dirty, dirty bastards.

[Tman]

Wow...thanks for posting that. This is the little games the enviros are playing, please print that and bring it to the meeting.

At one of the meetings, kids were bused in, spent their whole time texting, chatting, but when someone (and we all know who he is), offered those same kids FREE 1/2 DAY FISHING TRIPS, the hands shot up in the air.

These people are going to pull out all the stops. They have done it before and they will do it again.

When we wore black shirts so they knew who we were and what we stood for, we were accused of intimidation.

When they handed out blue shirts, with sayings like, 'MLPA's work', it was okay, even though there were no MLPA's in place.

They will do whatever they can.

If they try that at my sons' school, they would be up for a major battle...

[FISHIONADO]

Thanks Fryguy, we need all the folks we can get to attend early to get the chairs up front. I attended one of the BTRF meetings in Long Beach (or Anaheim?) and during my public comments I called it disingenuous that the pro-closure groups had recruited all the high school students clogging the room and hallways. Looks like it will happen again.

[fryguy]

oh yeah, can you guys add me to the list.

I'll be there, and I'll have some words for any of my former students that I see there, too.

[Grego]

Chris, add the following to your list. Looks like most of the LA guys are sitting on the fence this time, maybe with the confirmed time a few more will commit.

Tattuna
Paintnfish
Kelpangler
Aquatic Hunter
TheLuckyPig
Grego

[Holy Mackerel]

BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..


Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. ???????

[jbm]

I posted this to www.scsurffishing.com. The shore fisherman will be equally affected.

http://www.scsurffishing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=623690

[MVC]

I was waiting to see what day the public comment was going to be on. I will be there.

[Holy Mackerel]

Thanks Jbm, anyone committing to attend?

We need many more anglers, surprising to see the BWE regulars here not signup... hmmm :(

BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..


Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. MVC
43. ???????

[The Kid]

come on people this is no where near enough all you guys who care about fishing need to be there at least show your support you being there says a lot. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[Grego]

Chris,

GregAndrew (WCW Leader) is IN

[bubblehide]

Chris, add the following to your list. Looks like most of the LA guys are sitting on the fence this time, maybe with the confirmed time a few more will commit.

Tattuna
Paintnfish
Kelpangler
Aquatic Hunter
TheLuckyPig
Grego


The LA group simply isn't organized, it's pretty much a non topic on the LA board. Only a mention with a link to this site. During the last meeting go-round I took a bunch of flak for continuing to ask the same question on the different MLPA posts: "Where and what time is the meeting". Despite them supposedly wanting everyone to show up to the meetings, they somehow didn't think letting people know where and when was necessary; go figure.

I wish I could make this one, but I'll be out of town. Give um hell!

[JoeBeck]

Bump! 9 days

[hatchetman]

Just got the day off confirmed today, I'll be there!

[bellcon]

The LA group simply isn't organized, it's pretty much a non topic on the LA board. Only a mention with a link to this site. During the last meeting go-round I took a bunch of flak for continuing to ask the same question on the different MLPA posts: "Where and what time is the meeting". Despite them supposedly wanting everyone to show up to the meetings, they somehow didn't think letting people know where and when was necessary; go figure.

I wish I could make this one, but I'll be out of town. Give um hell!


I went the easy route this time and simply posted up the link where you saw it...
(I think you are one of only a few who responded...)

The rest of your post?
?
I guess that would be Greggos fault...
(although I do remember a helluva a lot of LA Boyz representing at many a meeting)

[HOBIE SHAQ1]

Count me in , shaq1

[bubblehide]

I went the easy route this time and simply posted up the link where you saw it...
(I think you are one of only a few who responded...)

The rest of your post?
?
I guess that would be Greggos fault...
(although I do remember a helluva a lot of LA Boyz representing at many a meeting)


I don't blame anyone in particular; just pointing out what appears to be a fairly endemic characteristic of the majority of the Malibu crowd. Personally I think it's a bit self defeating, to say the least.

[PAL]

Let's make nice and save our ire for the other side please.

This isn't the place to criticize people who didn't show up or have given up - they aren't likely to read it! (That takes more of a personal touch)

Man for man, the Baytubers came stronger than any, even taking a serious hit for the larger team. I have only praise for them.

And while they may have been few in number, there were some Malibu hardcore. They don't need to take friendly fire - they're set to take the biggest hit of all, the loss of their La Jolla.

[Grego]

I like being blamed for things...builds and reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy that:sifone: Don can vouch for that.

bubble you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years, hmmmmmmmfffff...fine then. As Cabojohn would say "I'm taking my ball and going home then...." and and and...we not going to buy pizza for the meetings no mo either! well..maybe for the spearos since they buying AGAIN!! wooo hoo!

[erinoo]

I'll be there, not sure about Joy....Eric

[driftwood]

Add me to the list. be there for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Gabe.

[old_rookie]

ok - so we'll have a small army there. I have not been to one of these meetings before, so I can only guess what happens.

I suspect there will be reps for the DFG/MLPA speaking and describing what they plan to do/close. Then at some point they will open the mic to those who want to speak ( and not fear public speaking....).

We are all there for the same reason - do not close areas to stop us from fishing. Right???!! We can't simply stand up and say "No...don't do that!" without any decent amo. I can only speak from what I know or at least think I know. Obviously they (DFG/MLPA) think and have 'data' that shows certain areas are being depleted of fish. For one, I don't see a lot of kayakers pulling in large quantities of fish. Of all the (very few) times that I have launched and landed, I have not seen anyone with any fish (other than the SMMT). I have seen plenty of surf fishing pulling in lots of perch, but I don't have any numbers to know if it is impacting the perch or other species. Can only guess from my own observations and experience.

So, what amo are we going in with?

If I have good info on something, I'll speak, but right now I don't. Only a "nooo... don't take away the time I have away from stress, and the thrill of catching fish to feed the family"... well, I could still kayak out without fishing - but you didn't read that.

[PAL]

For those who are just joining this effort, I appreciate that you're taking much of this on faith. Thank-you. Rest assured, there will be plenty of help once you get to the meeting. Just look for the Waterman's Alliance.

Also, if you haven't committed to showing, don't think you're not needed because "we have a small army." The other side has been known to import people by the busload.

When you arrive, and it shouldn't be any later than about 9 am, you need to find the info table and grab a speaker card. Next, decide whether you want to speak or cede your speaking time.

What is ceded time? Every person who fills out a speaker card will get somewhere between one and three minutes. Some people with important messages to send will need more. You can give them your time, but not on a 1:1 trade. It might take 10 cards for one more minute, but that's ok.

For example, during previous meetings Tyler hammered home of the importance of pier bait and other La Jolla issues. He came with slides that back up his points. We always pooled our time to give Tyler room to operate.

If you want to tell the Commission a thing or two, here are a few starting places taken from the other thread:

1. The recent court ruling is clear. The Blue Ribbon Task Force and Science Advisory Team are state agencies. They didn't follow state open meeting rules. The record appears to show decisions were reached behind closed doors. The were other irregularities. South Coast MLPA work must be suspended until these serious issues are resolved.

2. We support RSG Proposal 2, the true cross-interest plan created by anglers, harbor communities. Proposal two strikes a fair balance in Malibu, it preserves public access and safety. The IPA's La Jolla plan will concentrate fishing activity in a small area, again causing safety issues. It preserves the existing reserve boundaries, which are well known to the public and designated via shore-side signs and buoys on the water. Etc.

3. You could also limit your comments to the IPA (Integrated Preferred Alternative), which the Commission is considering. There are significant issues in play, including whether to expand the proposed South La Jolla reserve and reconfigure the second one that would cap us off at Scripps Pier. We have to watch these closely.

This is as much detail as I'm going into on a public message board. The other side reads our mail.

See you in a week.

[GregAndrew]

Old Rookie, just a general bit of info, the DFG knows of no (0) species on our coast that are in decline. There are a few species that are not at their optimal numbers, but all are stable or on the increase since the banning of long lining, gill nets and the current batch of fishing regulations. This is the irony of this entire process.

[driftwood]

"The Blue Ribbon Task Force and Science Advisory Team are state agencies"

Are these Science state agencies real scientist? Are they familar with California Current ecosystem? The data about California fisheries disclosed in the Science magazine article made it clear that the Marine Life Protection Act process must be suspended, since the "science" behind the process needs to be completely re-examined.

Are we being sandbag just based on Pseudo science? I hope the The California Fish and Game Commission Has not been bought out and served already.

[cjthomas]

Just confirmed that I will be able to get the day off.

I will be attending Oct. 20th, driving down from Orange County.

[Willy]

Hey PAL and other organizers...

Just a suggestion, last couple of meetings I went to the lobby area during check in was total chaos. It was easy to find where to get card for speaking time, but it's REALLY HARD TO FIND PAUL, JOE and the others to whom the time was to be ceded and the other kaykers.
When we did the matching black shirts thing, at least it was easy to find the like minded folks.

My suggestion is to create some sort of recognizable uniform, shirt, hat big sign or something so the people who don't recognize faces from this board or from on the water at a distance know who to sit with, talk to, and cede time to.

Wife's having surgery and I can't make it.

Willy

[hatchetman]

Now that I can be there to at least increase our numbers I have to agree with willy, I would like to fill out the card to speak and then cede time to those who know the right words to get the best bang for the time. Knowing who where and how to do this would help make it a bit easier and smoother.

[Fiskadoro]

I like being blamed for things... reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy that Don can vouch for that.

I bet he can... let's just say we all have our fields of expertise :D

you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years

Funny I thought he was talking about guys that fish Malibu not Baytubers, and actually just echoing something one of your guys recently posted on another board:

For the record I put as much passion into saving Malibu as I did RP, LJ, etc etc But lets be honest there just was not the show of force from the Malibu area at the meetings Too few were fighting the closures at Malibu and the results are in part do to that fact.

I think many of the guys that fish Malibu think of Baytubers as kind of an Orange county, San Pedro, harbor fishing crowd, and they think of Malibu fisherman as the LA surf launching crowd. There is some basis for that: I mean Baytubers with all their tournaments never had one in Malibu as far as I know, and they certainly did not have one at the bigger well known breaks like County Line where Bubblehide likes to fish..

I mean you can pretend Bubblehide was attacking Baytubers if you want to, and take offense at his comments for whatever reason you want, but it's not how it reads, and it doesn't make much sense.

I like Baytubers, think they helped in the MLPA and appreciate that. I have recommended countless people to Kiyos site, and his tournaments but I will say that from time to time it seems like some of your guys want to pretend that people who are not in with you, or part of your group are somehow bad people, or out to hurt your organization.

Maybe your just trying to rally your troops, or get your guys fired up but I'd say that just pushes others away when it comes to issues like the MLPA.

At any rate I'd say it's pretty obvious Bubblehide was not attacking Baytubers or their track record when it comes to the MLPA and perhaps as Paul said: you guys might be better off saving that ire for the other side.

Just my take though.

Jim

[newguy01]

just a suggestion may be we can all wear a tourny t-shirt if you have one old or new it will be easy to fine like minded folks and does not cost anything if you have it alot of folks went to the steve moyer tourny and looks like its the same people going to the meeting. just my .02 $

[PAL]

Just a suggestion, last couple of meetings I went to the lobby area during check in was total chaos. It was easy to find where to get card for speaking time, but it's REALLY HARD TO FIND PAUL, JOE and the others to whom the time was to be ceded and the other kaykers.
When we did the matching black shirts thing, at least it was easy to find the like minded folks.

My suggestion is to create some sort of recognizable uniform, shirt, hat big sign or something so the people who don't recognize faces from this board or from on the water at a distance know who to sit with, talk to, and cede time to.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Yes, I agree these meetings are often mass confusion. I'll get with our friends at the Waterman's Alliance to see what we can do to smooth things out.

[roadx]

just a suggestion may be we can all wear a tourny t-shirt if you have one old or new it will be easy to fine like minded folks and does not cost anything if you have it alot of folks went to the steve moyer tourny and looks like its the same people going to the meeting. just my .02 $


from my understanding Waterman will be giving out tee's but i still plan on wearing my tourny tee to be easy to spot

The Waterman's Alliance will be on hand to give out t-shirt to all conservation-fisherman attendees and with pizza/drinks for everyone.

[Tman]

just a suggestion may be we can all wear a tourny t-shirt if you have one old or new it will be easy to fine like minded folks and does not cost anything if you have it alot of folks went to the steve moyer tourny and looks like its the same people going to the meeting. just my .02 $

Great idea...at one of the meetings, we chose black only to be accused of threatening tactics.

Won't be hard to miss the fishermen and women, pretty sure the other side will be handing out t-shirts...usually in blue, look for the phrase claiming how MLPA's work, even though they've not been set in place...

[roadx]

Tman

so.. your saying to pick up your blue tee first so you can burn them in the parking lot ;) :D

[lambadmin]

I think enviros mounted an attack to BWE with this gallery hack :D

Put me down Chris.

Wouldn't want to miss out, great numbers so far, thanks all!!!

C'MON ALL, LETS FIND THE TIME AND SHOW UP.

Definitely need a dress code to stick out.

[zenspearo]

Just an update.

Thanks all for the inputs. We all read them and discuss them and try to find solutions all the time from your feedback so it's mucho appreciated.

The Watermen's Alliance will have a table, and that's where you can find me (joe--zenspearo). Everyone will have name tags but the key organizers for ceding time and speaker coordination will be easy to recognize, due to what they will wear (trust me on this point--we took your feedback that it was hard to find the key people at past meetings).

Funny story: At one of our meetings last year, some guy came up and asked for six speaker cards to have more time to speak. Tried to sound convincing too. I didn't buy it and somebody eventually "outed" that person as some nut case from the close-it-all side.

This is an open forum and we can't openly discuss in advance speaking points, what we wear (because you bet some joker is going to wear the same and try to collect speaker cards from some first-timer fisherman attendee), etc.. But on the day at the venue, the information will be clearly posted, speaking points will be printed, copied, and made available, and the organizers will be distinctive in what they wear so if you have time card to give, need speaking point, or need time, you can easily find someone who can help.

Thanks so much for participating in this critical push. Happy paddling and tight lines.

[kurtfish]

Great comments by Fishinado. I agree with all but is it still suggested that focus our comments on Map 2 ? I still have "Support Map 2" name badge hanging on my rear view mirror. Lucas and I will be there on the 20th but I have Lakers tickets for 7pm on Oct. 21st so I hope with public commentary will not pushed back to the end of the program. I will work with Lucas to get a focused speach for him to presetn once again. I believe we will need to pool our time once again as we may be allowed only 15 seconds per person.

Hope to lots of fisherman will be in attendance.

Kurtfish

[Ohana]

Everyone:

Are both the 20th and 21st still the day's to attend? Is the 21st still a good day to show-up?

I was planning on going on the 20th, but I now have to go to Minneapolis for business on Monday the 18th, returning on the 20th, so the 21st looks like the only day I can make the meeting.

Thanks,

Kevin

[PAL]

^Unfortunately, the MLPA probably won't overlap onto the 21st. Please wish us the best and if you are so inclined, consider a donation to the Ocean Access Protection Fund to support the legal challenge.

http://oceanaccessprotectionfund.org/

[Ohana]

^Unfortunately, the MLPA probably won't overlap onto the 21st. Please wish us the best and if you are so inclined, consider a donation to the Ocean Access Protection Fund to support the legal challenge.

http://oceanaccessprotectionfund.org/

Thanks for answering my question. Sorry to hear that the 21st is not good, but if this changes and the MLPA does go into the 21st, other then this forum, is there a way to check?

I will go to the website you listed.

Kevin

[Holy Mackerel]

Sorry, I have a 3 week old, so my time is limited to update this list...! Btw, my last day of vacation is going to be the 20th, and I will be at this meeting, instead of, spending it with my newborn, so NO Excuses! Please attend! :)


BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..


Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. MVC
43. GregAndrew
44. Hatchetman
45. Hobie Shaq1
46. erinoo
47. driftwood
48. cjthomas
49. Adi
50. Zenspearo
51. kurtfish
52. ???????

[sharonkayak]

Im in. girls gotta show up too...

[Holy Mackerel]

BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..


Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. MVC
43. GregAndrew
44. Hatchetman
45. Hobie Shaq1
46. erinoo
47. driftwood
48. cjthomas
49. Adi
50. Zenspearo
51. kurtfish
52. sharonkayak
53. ???????

[Grego]

Sorry, I have a 3 week old, so my time is limited to update this list...!

Congrats Chris! 2 kids and 2 labs now? or do you count Trevor as one of your red headed step childs! :the_finger:

Add another possible to the list, I might be bringing a guest from work...never fished the ocean, just a good ol' Montana boy who can't stand all the "eco-chip hippies" I think he gets that from cow-chips? I dunno, never asked....

*sniff* *sniff* did someone fart recently....bhahahahhaha...or was it eric :biggrinjester:

[Margarita Mike]

I'll be there Chris

[Holy Mackerel]

Thanks Grego, but I have dis-owned Trevor! :p


BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..


Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. MVC
43. GregAndrew
44. Hatchetman
45. Hobie Shaq1
46. erinoo
47. driftwood
48. cjthomas
49. Adi
50. Zenspearo
51. kurtfish
52. sharonkayak
53. Margarita Mike
54. ???????

[Hypoxic1]

Sure its a 10 am arrival or earlier to avoid a rush?

[Holy Mackerel]

Sure its a 10 am arrival or earlier to avoid a rush?

Get there around 8-8:30am, ;) easier to figure out ceding time... so, can we count on your participation?

[FISHIONADO]

Bump!! Hope to see a boatload of you folks Wednesday!

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n49/hornback99/IgorCoveClaws.jpg

[Iceman]

I am in.

[scoop]

cya there.

[old_rookie]

Had outpatient surgery on my foot today. Need to go back on wednesday afternoon. I plan to be there in the morning up until my appt time.

[Smokey]

Took the day off, i'm in.

[Holy Mackerel]

BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..


Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. MVC
43. GregAndrew
44. Hatchetman
45. Hobie Shaq1
46. erinoo
47. driftwood
48. cjthomas
49. Adi
50. Zenspearo
51. kurtfish
52. sharonkayak
53. Margarita Mike
54. Iceman
55. scoop
56. smokey
57. ???????

[Tman]

Good turnout so far, don't forget if you don't plan on speaking do fill out a speaker card anyway to cede your time for others.

[John M]

Add me to the list.
John

[zenspearo]

Speaking Points:

The Watermen's Alliance crew has been working their hineys off. Speaking points are ready for everyone in the fishing community if they need it.

If you don't have a speaking point, come up to the Watermen's Alliance table and get one. Some friendly faces will be at the table.

Ceding Time/Needing time:

This aspect needs some explanation for you newbies. The Commission gives everyone a tiny amount of time based on how many public members show up. To get that time, you must fill out a time card.

There are two ways you can use a time card: To speak, or to cede time (not both).

If you want to speak and only need the tiny amount of time given to you (think one minute or two at most), then you are set.

If you want to speak and need MORE than the tiny amount of time given to you, you will need ceded time cards from others who don't speak. Come up to the WA table and get hooked up with ceded time cards.

If you don't want to speak and want to cede time cards to fishing-friendly speaker, come to the WA table, give us your time card (thank you thank you!) and your cell phone #. The speaker assigned your time card will call you and make sure each team of speaker/ceded persons is together when it's time for the speaker to speak. In some meetings, they require this so be ready to get together with your speaker to make your ceded time card count.

Three possible options. It's that simple.

General Note:

We will try something new this meeting. We will ask all ceding persons for their cell phone #s (provided on a post-it note). We will staple the post-it note to your ceding time card. The speaker given your time card will tear off the post-it note and use it to coordinate with you via the cell phone # you provided.

If you really really really want to give your time card to a particular person, then let us know but it is really hard since people wander around and we have only a small time window to coordinate hundreds of speaking cards with dozens of speakers. Pairing a particular ceding time card with a particular speaker is time consuming.

Trust us that we only dole out time cards to fishing friendly speakers.

The fishing-friendly speaker who got your ceding time card will call you on your cell to gather up all the people who ceded time to him/her. That way, when the Commission calls that speaker, all the people ceding time will know who your speaker is, and can raise their hands to support that speaker if the Commission asks (in the past, a ceding time card only counts if the person ceding time raise his hand as present at the meeting at the time his speaker comes up to speak).

Pizza, T-shirt, drinks, etc. Come to WA table. We have it set up. We'll hook you up.

Be civil, polite, and speak with reason or at least tempered and reasoned passion. Don't rant. The other side WILL truck in students. You can expect massive pro-closure turn-out as they are trying for last-minute enlargement of many areas. Many of the students have no idea why they are there except it's a freebie school trip. We think it's sleazy but be mindful that children are present. If we come across as intimidating belligerent rants, the Commissioners sympathy won't be with us for long.

[roadx]

curious??? if a decision is made on 10-19-10 for one of the SCRSG maps, how will that effect the maps for round 1 opel A&B maps scheduled for 9-3-11.

how long will the maps stay in place until they are re-reviewed? i see there is an SCRG scheduled for 9-10-22. so does that mean a SCRSG map will be in place for 12 years??

can someone clarify how a current decision can effect future maps?

thanks

[GregAndrew]

I may be wrong, but I think you are talking about maps from 2 different sections. We had a round 1 opel group when this first started, so I assume they have a similar group for the beginning of the northern section of Ca. We are well beyond round 1 in the Southern section.

[tylerdurden]

Bump

We are getting the band back together. :luxhello:

I will be speaking. If anyone likes to fish LJ, and doesn't know what to say I could use the time.

[Tman]

Another Bump...

Add another name to the list, Clay's friend Julian...:luxhello:

[robmandel]

I'll be there. wouldn't miss it for the world.

I'll be wearing a tank sporting some of tattuna's amazing artwork :sifone::sifone::sifone:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w86/b17bmbr/calico_tattoo.jpg

[Tman]

Careful, ya might get accused of intimidation...:doh::biggrinjester:

[sandydiego]

I'll be late, but will be there!

Steve

[blackcloud9]

I will be there.

[old_rookie]

Sorry guys I had to leave early for a dr appt and x-rays.
At least I got to meet a few of you.
There were some good speakers representing our community.
Didn't know we have coral reefs off our coast in San Diego :)

[FISHIONADO]

Good turn out, thanks everyone who showed up or spoke on our behalf.

[hatchetman]

This was my first experience with the process, I really did not understand how deceitful the enviros like cost keepers are. I was sitting in the middle of the audience towards the back where most of the bussed in students ended up.
One group, i believe from south west high, did not even know why they were there, in fact they started picking up the signs left from the waterman's alliance and started holding them up until one of their chaperons scolded them. The charter school children really showed how well informed our opposition is, These cute children brought in there dioramas of coral reefs and gave speeches on why we need to save the ones of our coast, I did not think we had coral reefs. coast keepers should be ashamed of them selves for exploiting our children and the school districts involved should be looking at disciplinary action against the teachers.

[Billy V]

Yes - the eco nazis have exploited young children throughout this BS process.

They were literally handing out candy to the children during some of the meetings.
-Creepy

---Today I noticed at times their chaperone / guardian ( an English Teacher) had lost possession and became separated from the children.
-An offense punishable by firing.
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[mrJB]

What an enlightening experience - to hear about our coastal coral reefs AND to find out where my tax dollars for education are going...!

[Gino]

I cant even focus on work today... I really wish i could of made it. It was my day off normaly, but Its the biggest work load of the year for me, I had to show up. Imagine the timing...:rolleyes:

I seen some pictures on BD of all the shcool children bussed in to the meetings. Thats unreal... I know we have seen it before, but its infuriating.

One of the kids even got up there and said that we fish using bombs... :biggrinjester: imagine that.

That stuff really throws me over the edge...

[lamb]

wada circus. Yeah, kids and their "save our coral reefs" cry in these final hours were really the best reflection how distorted and manipulated this whole process is. Mr. Richards asking pretty basic question, to be reminded on % of deep rock reefs addressed, and no one really knowing the answer was pretty funny too! It shows you how much they're really into it. It's one thing that good number of ordinary folks can't put their mind around this whole MLPA process and where it is right now - these folks have been hired to administer the process. They ought to be familiar with key points, despite how complicated and diluted at the same they made it.

It sux when you are fighting a war and you know you are bound to loose, you're just trying to contain your loses and keep chugging on. That's what we seem to be doing. :( We're still biting, great show, despite the bussed in kids I think we were there in greater numbers.

Lot's of DFG there. It's cool when you pick up the vibe from the wardens they are on our team. Hear that Wade? :D

[old_rookie]

A student from Hi-Tech High sat next to me. I asked him why he was there. He tells me it is for his government class - so that he can observe the debate. CoastKeepers made a presentation to his class. He was undecided as to which side to take and wanted to hear the other side. After the Hi-Tech High senior spoke, he left. He didn't stay to hear the other side, well... maybe he moved to the back to hear??? I doubt it.

[Tman]

That was hilarious. Clay and his buddy Julian were cracking up...pretty pathetic that a teacher is teaching her students that, having them spend all that time on their diaramas, extra work for an extra grade, just to be humiliated. I agree, that teacher should be admonished.
Pretty sad, even the boys were commenting on where coral reefs were, naming the places. Guess they are getting a better education...

Mr. Richards was classic...:cheers1:

(Not verbatim)

"So, there are 7 areas that are not sandy bottoms? And are there reserves put in place for each of those 7 areas?"

I agree again Adi, hilarious that these people who have (supposedly) been working so hard kept stumbling with their words trying to answer his simple question, and the final comment from the gal was even more pathetic when she complained that she wasn't aware that he was going to ask such a difficult question...maybe because you people have been used to rehearsing the question and answer period!

Just shows the bs we are up against.

Great seeing familiar faces, Waterman's Alliance, thanks for the grub...



To all of the Kids that spoke...:you_rock: :luxhello::luxhello::luxhello: :you_rock:


Each and every one of you showed more knowledge, more courage, and spoke better than any of the misinformed children that spoke, you should be very proud for standing up for your rights, we are very proud of you.

Thank you...:notworthy:

[hatchetman]

I was talking with a lady from Bloody Decks who talked with the High Tech High students at the back of the room and videoed their response, she asked them if they were forced to come, answer was yes. Look for the video to be posted on Bloody Decks soon. I wounder how many parents actually new what their children were going on there field trip today for?

[roadx]

the kids are just missed informed, there are soft corals off the coast so they are not totally wrong.
http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=1242

there seems to be a lot of adults that are missed informed also. :confused:


but i will say the kids being bussed in and given an agenda in is just wrong.:mad:

To all of the Kids that spoke...:you_rock: :luxhello::luxhello::luxhello: :you_rock:


Each and every one of you showed more knowledge, more courage, and spoke better than any of the misinformed children that spoke, you should be very proud for standing up for your rights, we are very proud of you.

Thank you...:notworthy:i agree GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:luxhello::luxhello::luxhello::lu xhello::luxhello::you_rock:

[Tman]

(Santa Barbara, Calif.) – A new species of black coral has been discovered off southern California, including around the Channel Islands, by Milton Love, University of California, Santa Barbara marine researcher, and Mary Yoklavich of NOAA Fisheries. The discovery came during dives by the researchers in "Delta," the submersible.

The new species, found at depths of approximately 300 to 725 feet, is reported this week in the online scientific journal Zootaxa (http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/content.html (http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/content.html)) by taxonomist Dennis Opresko of Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
Love named the new species "Christmas Tree Coral" (dendochristos in Greek) since it grows to a height greater than two meters and resembles pink, white and red flocked Christmas trees.
The complete scientific Greek name for the new coral is Antipathes dendrochristos. The word for black coral is "Anti" for against, and "pathos," for disease, a reference to the fact that black coral amulets were once thought to provide protection against disease and evil spirits. The Christmas tree coral was first noticed by the researchers during dives for surveys of rockfishes on deep rocky banks about 40 miles off the coast, west of Los Angeles.

Comment made was they grow best in shallow tropical waters. Implementing an MPA to save these (MPA = 3 miles from shore) kinda loses me there.

300-725 feet of water 40 miles W of LA?

I don't think any MPA will help them, esp. not in LJ, Laguna, or Malibu.

I will admit that I am one of the misinformed.

[robmandel]

it was "dynamite" to see all my LJ friends again :D:D

what a shameless and disgusting display. what amazed me was this great disconnect about what the mpa's are about, and what those morons thought they would do. like the laguna tuna who want the highest level of protection, but how is that going to do anything about their tidepools or shore? or the high tech girl in tears about the LJ tidepool. again, there is nothing in the mpa's that protect anything...

ah, but, now maybe you're starting to "get it". folks, we ain't the target, hard as it is to believe. they don't like us, don't ever think they do, but what they're after is much bigger. see, what they know, and maybe escaped us (because, we are not an evil lot like them. we don't see freedom as something to be destroyed, as standing in the way of "progress") but the mpa's are really an end run, a back door to a great many things they couldn't ever achieve any other way.

the reserves give them pretty much carte blanche to do everything to protect them: extreme pollution controls, development restraints, restrictions of access, and on and on. in many ways the whole "no take" was a ruse, a gimmick to get in. look, did you hear any of those blue shirt morons even discuss fish or fish populations or whatever? one, they couldn't give two shits about the fish. two, they would lose big time that argument, because our stocks are healthy and it isn't like they are in this to help fishing.

so, notice how they turned the arguments completely away from mpa reality and towards mpa fantasy. and they know to get what they really want, they have to pull out all the stops, do anything necessary to get from point a to point b. which is why they will shamelessly exploit kids. and why they are evil in every sense of the word. 'bout the only difference between them and stalin's twenty-five thousanders is, is, is, is, (stuttering, looking for answer...)

good to see such a great turnout
:you_rock::you_rock::you_rock::cheers1::cheers1::c heers1:

[roadx]

Comment made was they grow best in shallow tropical waters. Implementing an MPA to save these (MPA = 3 miles from shore) kinda loses me there.

300-725 feet of water 40 miles W of LA?

I don't think any MPA will help them, esp. not in LJ, Laguna, or Malibu.


i dont blame the kids, i believe they are doing what they think is right. it's the teacher that fills them with this BS and they KNOW better.

[nunyabizness1]

Thank you all that showed up and participated in today's event, protest, and meeting! You are awesome! I posted a thread with pics and a video in the Bloodydecks site:

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/fishing-chit-chat/283543-fish-n-game-commission-mtg-re-mlpa-pics-protest-video.html#post2025292

Thanks again,

Maggie

[AquaticHunter]

Yes - the eco nazis have exploited young children throughout this BS process.

They were literally handing out candy to the children during some of the meetings.-Creepy

They were also outraged to learn from their teachers that we are using bombs to fish so they came to lecture us on that policy. Oh and the pizza, candy and games were cool too.

http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt156/AquaticHunter1/MLPAbussedinkids.jpg

[PAL]

Those who came out - :notworthy:

Thank you for sacrificing a day for our way of life.

It was fantastic to see our hardcore, familiar faces who've endured meeting after droning meeting. And just as valued, the new blood. We are grateful for your help.

Great turnout, great comments, but I'd expect nothing less because kayak anglers (and our close friends the free divers), are freedom loving, independent minded, strong of will and spirt, and the best people I know.

It may not seem like we accomplished much - the commission didn't do much more than sit through the legally required public comment. Don't believe it. If we hadn't have showed, we would have certainly lost ground.

We have to do it one more time, Dec 15 or 16 in Santa Barbara of all places. That's MLPA HQ, for us the heart of darkness. Please join me there for the finale.

[zenspearo]

Huge thanks from the WA and from the spearos for the joint effort we all put in.

You guys are awesome.

Heads up


Anyone who did not have an opportunity to speak on Item 3 today because
they missed their call, had to leave early, couldn't be there at all or
choose not to--for example because they ceded time to someone who did
not get credit for enough cards--may address Item 3 tomorrow during
general public commentary. And, time will be much cheaper--three minutes
to start and perhaps only a couple of cards to get as much as 5 minutes.

Of course if you spoke today, you can't speak again tomorrow.

This was relayed to me by someone familiar with the process.

So to those who didn't speak today--go sign up and speak tomorrow.

[The Kid]

i use dynamite when i fish our local coral reefs:biggrinjester:
teachers these days i am so glad i was a rebel when i was in school:the_finger:

[Billy V]

Can we use M-80's or Seal Bombs with a couple of 1/2" nuts taped on to make bait ?

It would be much easier than those sabiki rigs with all those sharp hooks. :p

[PAL]

Joe, thanks for posting over here. I just saw your Spearboard update. I was about to cross post, and you beat me to it.

If you didn't get a chance today, please give it a shot Thurs morning.

[dsafety]

Commissioner Richards in his typical sly way brought up a point that I had not considered before. He mentioned that of the seven significant areas in southern California that contain a lot of structure, all seven are to be closed or partially closed. Proponents are constantly saying that the MLPA leaves open for fishing, nearly 90% of California's coastline. That may be true but most of the unprotected areas that they generously leave to us do not harbor many fish.

Someone should come up with a new analysis that shows the percentage of high quality fishing grounds that the MLPA wants to take. I bet the number rises significantly from the 14% of so that the currently claim. I suspect that the true number ends up to be more like 60%, maybe more.

Was anyone else a little confused by the graphic that one of the Commissioners put up on the screen with a bunch of black dots showing, "every place in California where fish have been reported to have been caught" ? It seemed interesting to me that there were no reported catches in La Jolla, or any of the other areas targeted for closure. I guess Josh has not reported in.

How dumb to they think the public is?

Bob

[jbm]

That was a fishing effort map, not a catch map. Also, it didn't show effort density, so it is misleading. It's typical create evidence to support your foregone conclusion tactics.

[JoeBeck]

i dont blame the kids, i believe they are doing what they think is right. it's the teacher that fills them with this BS and they KNOW better.


I completely agree and had a word with a teacher right in front of his students after hearing him say to them "So kids the fishermen are making fun of you and calling you names for being here" "they are calling you uneducated little ankle biters" I was floored I turned and said to them "so this is how you get kids to not like fishing and support the maps of your choice by generalizing fishermen, I myself am happy the kids are here to learn about the government process and witness both sides?" I did not want to say he did not hear someone say that, maybe he did. He did not say a word back and the kids looked a bit shocked.

Unfortunately I did see from a distance a fishermen flip the bird at some young individuals wearing MLPA Support shirts. Not a good way to represent.

[Gino]

All those bused in kids had no reason to be there. And even more so they had no right to speak at all.
Most of those kids care more about Glee, Pop Tarts, Spoungebob, Vampire books, and thats after you have pryed there fingers off there Xbox controller...

There is nothing those kids said that either:
A. made sense
B. someone already didnt know
C. was anything but complete bullshit

It was a complete waste of our time. The MLPA comissions time, and complete waste of tax dollars on many levels

No matter what you say or how you act, the Kids will be returning back to there Teachers classrooms today, and tomorrow and they are going to be told that fisherman are mean.

Maybe the teachers will hit them with a little Joy Bayhard "The fisherman are against children"

Fisherman use bombs...

Maybe they watch some Whale Wars episodes in class... Or even have a PETA guest speaker visit the class.

You folks got to really go after the schools. The Teachers, and even the School District who was making gross acusations.
(Your not going to get Teachers Fired, trust me the Union wont allow any of that...)

But if you put the pressure up on the school principles, your going to put a stop to these field trips. You have to call screaming, yelling, and waving your hands. anything else will be ignored.

[dmrides]

All those bused in kids had no reason to be there.

I disagree; did you see how many kids were there holding up Prop 19 signs? They had a legitimate reason to take the day off school, to wear blue shirts, to get free pizza and to show their support for prop 19. Wait, was there something about the environment being discussed? They must have missed that, they were too busy texting.

I hope you can read the sarcasm that is oozing from my pores. As a teacher, I was yet again appalled by the sheer number of bored and uninterested kids who were forced to sit through another MLPA meeting. What happened to teaching the facts? If we can't teach religion in schools, why is it acceptable to push political agendas on young malleable minds?

[jbm]

Let's be clear. Every kid there had every right to be there and to speak their piece, misinformed or not, just like seal lady. The teachers and administrators who permitted and organized it are another matter though. They should be under some serious scrutiny.

[bmercury]

If we can't teach religion in schools, why is it acceptable to push political agendas on young malleable minds?

1st amendment, establishment clause.

But I agree that these kids are too young for politics. I think at least some of them were from private schools so the only remedy may be to try and inform their parents of what they are being taught. Some of the parents probably fish. If they were from public schools then there are always school board elections.

I did see at least 1 kid with a prop 19 sign which was hilarious. Shows you what their attention span is for the political process.

[Gino]

1st amendment and the establishment clause are rather irrelevant.

Those kids in every other theater of life have no individual rights. If that was the case the kids could take there parents to court for punishing them for saying a bad word. Claiming first amendment. Doesnt make sense...where do you draw the line? the law has made it clear.

Now I think its rather silly that folks here have the idea that school kids have a right to participate in the public process when they arent the ones paying for it. Doesnt sound right does it.

Now if a kid shows up with his parent. Like some of the young men did for our side. Hes representing himself by admission of the parent, who is the rightfull owner of the child (as law puts it) So to me, thats cool.

The public comment meeting intented to get imput about the MLPA process and how the mapping conflicts with those using the resources. Its used to express public opinion. And its intention was to help guide the DFG commission / BRTF into making the right map decisions. Well yeah we didnt have that. and alot of it was ignored and just for show... But thats another issue.

Someone with some acual usefull information could have had time to speak... But no it was taken up by some kids spouting crap from there mouth.
Thats exactly why the kids were bused into the meeting. To balance out support for something that doesnt really have it (outside of funding). It was political Thuggery and nothing more.

[kurt]

I'm glad those kids were able to talk about bombing the coral reefs. It showed that they (and by extension) their classmates weren't well informed. Anyone with brainwaves could see these kids weren't really interested or vested in the process. Whereas the children who were fisherman showed knowledge and a personal interest in the process.

As for the teacher who is teaching them drivel... shame on them.

[bubblehide]

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Jim Day Wrote:
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[I]I like being blamed for things... reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy that Don can vouch for that.
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Quote:
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you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Funny I thought he was talking about guys that fish Malibu not Baytubers, and actually just echoing something one of your guys recently posted on another board:
Bubblehide writes (that’s me): Actually Jim, your right on the money. I don’t consider the Baytubers guys to be the Malibu guys; after all, isn’t Baytubers and Orange County thing?

Jim Day Wrote:
Quote:
<table style="width: 100%; margin-left: 15pt;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 0.75pt inset; padding: 4.5pt;"> Originally Posted by Someone you know from Baytubers
For the record I put as much passion into saving Malibu as I did RP, LJ, etc etc But lets be honest there just was not the show of force from the Malibu area at the meetings Too few were fighting the closures at Malibu and the results are in part do to that fact.
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The following is from me, Bubblehide:
Bellcon/Don didn’t you post the above?
I know you like drama, but this a little ridiculous. If I wanted to talk about bay tubers I would have simply named it. But to extrapolate Bay Tubers from what I wrote is obviously attempting to incite others against me. I could not have come up with a better example of the divide and conquer technique used by you; but I honestly would have thought it would have come from the enviro-terrorist side; not from the side I support. I would honestly prefer that we all stick together here and be respectful of differing opinions, instead of creating an environment of exclusion and attempts at ostracizing individuals that don’t happen to say something you approve of (despite it being ok for some people to state, i.e., Don)

Jim Day Wrote:
I think many of the guys that fish Malibu think of Baytubers as kind of an Orange county, San Pedro, harbor fishing crowd, and they think of Malibu fisherman as the LA surf launching crowd. There is some basis for that: I mean Baytubers with all their tournaments never had one in Malibu as far as I know, and they certainly did not have one at the bigger well known breaks like County Line where Bubblehide likes to fish..

I mean you can pretend Bubblehide was attacking Baytubers if you want to, and take offense at his comments for whatever reason you want, but it's not how it reads, and it doesn't make much sense.

I like Baytubers, think they helped in the MLPA and appreciate that. I have recommended countless people to Kiyos site, and his tournaments but I will say that from time to time it seems like some of your guys want to pretend that people who are not in with you, or part of your group are somehow bad people, or out to hurt your organization.

Maybe your just trying to rally your troops, or get your guys fired up but I'd say that just pushes others away when it comes to issues like the MLPA.

At any rate I'd say it's pretty obvious Bubblehide was not attacking Baytubers or their track record when it comes to the MLPA and perhaps as Paul said: you guys might be better off saving that ire for the other side.

Just my take though.

Bubblehide writes (that’s me)::
Yeah Jim, you read me correctly, I just wish everyone had your level of comprehension.

Grego Stated:
I like being blamed for things...builds and reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy thatfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Owner/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image003.gif Don can vouch for that.

bubble you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years, hmmmmmmmfffff...fine then. As Cabojohn would say "I'm taking my ball and going home then...." and and and...we not going to buy pizza for the meetings no mo either! well..maybe for the spearos since they buying AGAIN!! wooo hoo!

Bubblehide writes (that’s me):
Well Grego, either you have a wicked sense of humor, which I can appreciate. But just in case your serious and I did hurt your feelings: One of the reasons I took my screen name “Bubblehide” is because of the typical internet attacks, put downs, insults…and me taking it all in stride, not being overly sensitive, not being sucked into false attacks by others; and lastly, being able to take something like this and letting it by the next day, just as I will do with this little tat. Actually Baytubers and it’s members have done an outstanding job; I’m sure they will continue to do so, with or without you and your ball. But hopefully you (as I think you do), have the fortitude to go to the meeting despite your hurt feelings. Baytubers is a pretty good group of some pretty tough guys, that I doubt will back down from oversensitive feelings being hurt. After all, the enviro-terrorist have done far worse than tickle your sensitive feelings like I have (with Don’s misguided help); and I seriously doubt they (the enviro-terrorist) will ever get enough from this MLPA process to ever stop. The fact is that this will be a continuing battle that will drag on for years to come. And as such, we as a fishing community need to create an environment of inclusion, rather than exclusion. But if you and others wish to continue to bash me, attempt to make be back away from the MLPA fight, so be it; but good luck with that. But while your continuing to bash me (if you chose to do so), I’ll be out hunting the Sierras for the next couple of weeks.

To everyone else: I felt a need to respond to this veiled attack, I hope it was constructive and brings to light some behaviors that are simply not conducive to our part of the MLPA battle. Unfortunately I will not be able to make this upcoming meeting, as we fishermen would benefit from an exceptionally good turnout. So go to the meeting if possible, if not try and get a family member/friend to show up and cede time on our behalf, and give um hell!




Well, the above is what I had written in response, and would have posted in a timely manner if that site had not had problems, along with me being out of town. Anyway, here it is.