MLPA: DFG Commission Thread!!!

[Holy Mackerel]

Today is D-Day!! Thanks to our troops who headed up to Santa Barbara!

Report from DaveH "we are outnumbered 10 to 1." :eek:

http://www.cal-span.org/

http://www.cal-span.org/State_Webcas...ream_index.htm (http://www.cal-span.org/State_Webcast/CFG/stream_index.htm)

[-scallywag-]

our lawyers are on!!!!

[j mo]

Dana guy was awesome

[lbsurf2ca]

So are there 3 proposed maps? I can't seem to get that info. -Found the maps. Thanks

Whats the difference between the conservation area and reserve area?

[Jimmyz123]

I just tried to locate the maps and could only find Map 3, I'd like to see what Map 2 shows.

[old_rookie]

here: ?

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/scrsg-dprops-r3.asp

[Holy Mackerel]

Use the search function, if you don't know what these things are by now, then you have been under a rock for the last couple of years! :doh::D

[Jimmyz123]

Use the search function, if you don't know what these things are by now, then you have been under a rock for the last couple of years! :doh::D

I did a search but my point behind what I was saying is that the DFG has made Map 3 very easy to locate and all the others not so much. Point being is that the writing is on the wall. No I have not been living under a rock I just don't have the ability to break away and attend these meetings as others do. I have supported each and every thing in our favor as I can, and I will continue to do so.

[Jimmyz123]

here: ?

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/scrsg-dprops-r3.asp

Thank you.

This battle is no where near being over. When peoples jobs are at stake, there is going to be a long court battle.

[Holy Mackerel]

Here ya go, all three maps, took 1 second. All in one spot. :rolleyes:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/scrsg-dprops-r3.asp

Now back to streaming the meeting. :reeling:

[Jimmyz123]

Here ya go, all three maps, took 1 second. All in one spot. :rolleyes:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/scrsg-dprops-r3.asp

Now back to streaming the meeting. :reeling:

Thank you, I checked that out also.

[Jimmyz123]

Did the Bus loads of High School students leave? I love how they bussed them all in and those kids really don't know what they are talking about.

[old_rookie]

I saw TMan speak. He mentioned not seeing any school kids there.

[Jimmyz123]

I thought I saw one who said he was the President of his senior class MPA group. Funny thing is it seemed his dad spoke right after he did. Now they are going through votes.

[Holy Mackerel]

My I.T. dept, put an end to my streaming here... :(

I understand they are voting line by line.

DaveH. said Surf fishing at swami's has been ok'd.

Can someone with streaming ability update this thread with the votes.

thanks!

[zinkysd]

I believe map 2 passed


Ken
Team Dana Point Jet Ski

[JoeBeck]

I did not follow the surf fishing but it looks like they agreed we can bait fish at TP pier. Moving the boundary south.

[JoeBeck]

It's hard to see the maps on the options as shown in the stream. Option 4 went through in LJ I believe that is Map 2?

[Holy Mackerel]

I believe map 2 passed


Ken
Team Dana Point Jet Ski

WHAT!? Are you certain of this???

[JoeBeck]

Decision 18 option 2 did not pass they are voting on option 1 now.

[JoeBeck]

1 passed 3-2

[old_rookie]

It would be good to see the results of the 19 decisions on-line to avoid any confusion or mis-interpreted info. If anyone has a link to the results of the decisions please post it!!!

[JoeBeck]

WHAT!? Are you certain of this???
They voted for 4 which moves the north and south boundaries.

[Holy Mackerel]

looks like they agreed we can bait fish at TP pier.

Single 2/0 hooks catch macks, good to hear. :p

[Holy Mackerel]

1 passed 3-2

Map 1?

[JoeBeck]

Final Doheny State Beach Option 2 did not pass. They are now voting on option 1.

[Holy Mackerel]

Final Doheny State Beach Option 2 did not pass. They are now voting on option 1.

Thanks, this sucks, not being able see/hear the meeting! uggg!

Appreciate the updates!

[Dan]

we're not talking about map 1,2,3 we're talking BRTF options. they are on the marinemap.org tool.

[JoeBeck]

IPA proposal passed in Doheny Option 1

[JoeBeck]

Results. I will try to look at the maps on marinemap.org tool and clarify but yes they are not going by Map 1,2,3

Decision

1: option 1
2: 2
3:2
4:1
5:2
6:2
7:2
8:yes
9:1
10:A
11: yes
12: yes
13: A
14: 4
15:B
16:2
17:4
18:1
19:1

[Dan]

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/decision_matrix.pdf

here's the questions being decided.

[Holy Mackerel]

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/decision_matrix.pdf

here's the questions being decided.

Just about to post this, so Option 4 for LJ.....

[lbsurf2ca]

Someone explain what happned? Not to fimilar with what option/map was what. It seemed pretty confusing to me.

[Jimmyz123]

They voted for 4 which moves the north and south boundaries.

Correct and from what it looked like to me Map 4 was the smaller of the choices meaning the moved it, as they said, 1 block North and 1 Block South. Is that what you heard also?

[JoeBeck]

Why is this guy Richard B. Roger lecturing us when he admits his business is failing and he is goofy footed? WTF!!!!

[Jimmyz123]

Why is this guy Richard B. Roger lecturing us when he admits his business is failing and he is goofy footed? WTF!!!!

I heard that too and stating that the legal threat did not scare him at all.

[Jimmyz123]

Did you catch what they said though? That all this may not matter anyway if the state can't afford to enforce any of it, or if they state also feels that there are other major issues to take on instead. It looks like to me that there is a great chance that this isn't going anywhere and has a long road ahead before it gets finalized.

[RK]

you mean the guy who kept talking about what a waterman he is and how hard he rips and how tough it is to find a good left


Why is this guy Richard B. Roger lecturing us when he admits his business is failing and he is goofy footed? WTF!!!!

[JoeBeck]

Yes that guy.

[Dan]

So from Palomar Ave. in La Jolla to Missouri St. in PB is closed.

and they whacked from moonlight to seaside. ouch.

[old_rookie]

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/decision_matrix.pdf

here's the questions being decided.

Thanks! Just what I asked for!! :you_rock:

[-scallywag-]

Now that's what I call compromise!

[JoeBeck]

So when do these go into effect? How are they going to notify the general public of all these reserves and enforce it?

[Jimmyz123]

So from Palomar Ave. in La Jolla to Missouri St. in PB is closed.

and they whacked from moonlight to seaside. ouch.

IF all this gets the final vote that is. They clearly stated that just because they voted for these things doesn't mean they are going to get put into place.

[Electronics Squid]

I like how most of the expanding of the existing areas was explained as needing to be done so that people would be able to recognize the boundary...

Thanks to all who made it up there...If I hadn't been in C school I'd have taken leave early to get there...

I've just recently started fishing again, and it kills me to think, if some have their way, by the time I have grandkids I won't be able to take them fishing off the coast...

Markus

[Matt]

Well I'm totally confused as to where and where I can't fish so I'll just fish wherever I "think" I can hahahaha


Dear Enviros-nature Nazis-Eco soldiers,

go fuck yourselves!!!

Xoxox

Matt

[GregAndrew]

Nothing I like better than to stand in a crowded room and listen to some environmental lunatics spewing the crap that they have been fed as though it were truth. And others that think that Prop. 3 is going to magically reduce pollution and runoff. They really know not what they do, only what they have been force fed.

[GregAndrew]

They did vote to leave the entire pier open to bait making, but the north boundary will be moved to just south of the pier.

[-scallywag-]

WOW...the end of that was pretty good.....commissioner Rogers "not afraid of legal threats..."


That pretty much sums it up, fearless eco-warriors, I bet the governator is SOOO proud!!!

[driftwood]

Kayaker's baitfishing at scripps pier proposal was passed.:cheers1:

La Jolla option 4 was passed, making the reserve bigger. :banghead:

But, yellow tail alley is still open!!<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Billy V]

Well I'm totally confused as to where and where I can't fish so I'll just fish wherever I "think" I can hahahaha


Dear Enviros-nature Nazis-Eco soldiers,

go fuck yourselves!!!

Xoxox

Matt

I'm sure we will be able to figure it out in 10 or 20 yearz.

[roadx]

so..... is this the decision they went with as far as LJ is concerned????

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad353/xroadx/map4.jpg?t=1292464127

[Iceman]

Another day of highs and lows........proud to have been among those representing today. I thought we more than towed the line...............same ol snooty LAG HAGS and blue shirts doing the noble thing standing up against the short sighted fisherman :the_finger: I suppressed more than 1 "WAKE UP!" or "OPEN YOUR EYES!" As the commssion seemed to ask the wrong questions following attorney statements.

[StinkyMatt]

To all the guys here, BIG thanks for representing our interest. :cheers1:

One question,

If I fish aoutside of a closed area, can I travel through a closed area with my catch? As in towards a beach where I want to land? How would this be enforced?

[Billy V]

To all the guys here, BIG thanks for representing our interest. :cheers1:

One question,

If I fish aoutside of a closed area, can I travel through a closed area with my catch? As in towards a beach where I want to land? How would this be enforced?

Yes you can - just like we do now at La Jolla Shores.

[Iceman]

Here is roughly how things will be changing for north La Jolla, only bait making in the northern blue, no fishing zone has taken plenty of good stuff! Gregos Monster Butt hole, The Road, the Round house, Heart Break Hotel..........yuck!

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwegallery/data/500/ljboundary.jpg

[old_rookie]

Here is roughly how things will be changing for north La Jolla, only bait making in the northern blue, no fishing zone has taken plenty of good stuff! Gregos Monster Butt hole, The Road, the Round house, Heart Break Hotel..........yuck!

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwegallery/data/500/ljboundary.jpg

That sucks. But until they move those yellow bouys, or see some coordinates on the DFG site, I'm not changing where I drop my line.

[old_rookie]

Update info at the DFG site:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/news10/2010121501-Commission-Approves-SCMPA.html

[j mo]

N County freedom to fish rally!!!!!???? Whos in? Prime spots from Swamis to Seaside will be covered....

[sdfisher]

what was their reasoning for closing north of the pier? it is just sand.....and monster halibut

this makes me want to go kick a seal pup!

thank you to all the people who put in their time and effort to fight for our cause, I greatly appreciate it.

[RedSledTeam]

The way I understand it, it was because it was too confusing for the public to use the boundary line that basically cut the pier in half. So it was moved to the South to cover all of the pier.

[Iceman]

They wanted that finger of the canyon

http://www.rossoverstreet.org/scuba/GIS/GoogleEarth/La%20Jolla%20image.jpg

[wade]

N County freedom to fish rally!!!!!???? Whos in? Prime spots from Swamis to Seaside will be covered....

:cheers1:

________________________________________
:the_finger: Since you smug S.O.B. MLPA & all it's constituents are lurking in the background,.....:the_finger:
:the_finger: here is something for you F'ers to enjoy! :the_finger:
________________________________________

I am in 100%.
Where one persons fight ends, another ones begins!!..

Unfortunately, I have been planning this Anti-MLPA campaign for some time..
Once all is made final and illegal to fish, I personally will be Kayak Fishing (specifically) in almost every body of water they recently just closed down in California. So will my children, and their children, and their Grandkids!!...

Sincerely,
Wade

[dmrides]

They wanted that finger

Then they will get the finger. :the_finger:

Seriously though, a huge shout out to all that have put in the time to prevent us from losing even more.

[GregAndrew]

I can't wait to try out my new sabiki with the trap hook for some of the larger models of bait near the pier.:biggrinjester:

[sandydiego]

Thanks to PAL and Bob for all their effort. I know it's not over!

MPLA= AL GORE / Global Warming Scam! (Yes supporters of MLPA - you feed off the effluent that flows into the ocean that you say you are out to protect)

You will have to TRY to pry my fishing pole from my cold dead hand to keep me from fishing.

[Jimmyz123]

Those wouldn't be the flat types of bait would they?

Honestly though until this thing is put into law, and the DFG figures out how to patrol it, isn't all of this a year or two away from going into effect? There will be a lot of court battles and such going on and I really don't see any of this happening at least for 3 years if at all. I think the State has more important things to worry about than trying to close down fishing areas to protect whatever may be living down below.

[Gino]

Just fish where you want to fish. They cant enforce this. The laguna green police and do gooder moms have not legal juristiction to do anything but whine and cry.

The good side of the meeting i will say is that all the laughs from Lag Hags (well put by andy) kept us laughing.

"i even question my own existance and carbon footprint" classic... she lived on a house boat and said shes seen the whole world from it i guess. :biggrinjester:

One gal, "i was raised a fisherman and my son is interested in fishing, and im in support of the mlpa and maximum closurs becuase whenever i take him fishing ill be darn that i can never catch him a fish" :biggrinjester: As she waked away she gave her big hug to all her enivormental disorder ward and continued out the door. yeah right lady... the only fish shes ever seen is inbetween h... :doh:

It was interesting to see that there was Park Ranger officials who had showed up lobbying for some of that money. :rolleyes:

This process was a shame.

[roadx]

so.... is the south LJ area also closed now???

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad353/xroadx/mlpa.jpg?t=1292542443

[WahooUSMA]

Well I'm totally confused as to where and where I can't fish so I'll just fish wherever I "think" I can hahahaha


Dear Enviros-nature Nazis-Eco soldiers,

go fuck yourselves!!!

Xoxox

Matt

X100

[Iceman]

south La Jolla from Big Rock south will be closed. The blue area outside will be open only to pelagics.....none of Larry's RF

[PAL]

Guys, we have at least a year before these go into effect. There's all kinds of red tape, and maybe a court action or two first.