MLPA: Close-up closure maps at WON

[PAL]

Detail maps of the pending South Coast MLPA closures are now available at the Western Outdoor News website. http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=910&AuthorID=59046&t=MLPA%20MAP%20UPDATES:%20WON's%20exclusive%20maps %20%20detail%20SoCal%20borders

The maps are zoomed in closely along the MPA boundaries to make it easy to determine their locations by landmarks.

You'll also find the fishing regulations in plain English.

This is still a work in progress. If you find an error or need clarification, please let me know. This is meant to be an easy to read 'cheat sheet' for anglers.

[dsafety]

Getting a "server error in application". Does this mean that too many of us are trying to view the page?

Bob

[dorado50]

What a JOKE, the best spots in LJ are closed. I can't even fish in my front yard! Boat or kayak makes no difference. Somehow these liberals need to be stopped. :p

[mtnbykr2]

yeah,
when you click on the maps it disappears, I will have to check it out when I get home...but it aint over till its over keep the faith...

[deepdvr]

Guess I'll have to call a 40lb. YT 'finbait' after I land him north of the pier. I'll tell DFG I was planning on re-baiting him for a shot at the taxman. :rolleyes:

[PAL]

Works for me, although IT was working on the site earlier today and could be back at it.

Link again via Tiny URL: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6l69rlm

[Amish Ed]

If I read it right; I can still C&R from my yak most of my favorite areas of south Laguna and Corona Del Mar. Outside the triangle seems to mean that. Overall this sucks!

Thanks for posting this Paul.

[m1k3midg3]

whats the difference between the red and the blue?

[PAL]

If I read it right; I can still C&R from my yak most of my favorite areas of south Laguna and Corona Del Mar. Outside the triangle seems to mean that. Overall this sucks!

Ed, if it's outside that red / blue triangle, you can C&R or C&E. The only take restrictions in the Dana Pt SMCA relate to tidepools.

whats the difference between the red and the blue?

All areas marked in red are slated for closure whenever this thing goes final. The blues areas range from totally closed to fully open for fishing. Was there a particular area you are wondering about?

[PAL]

Story updated with overview maps for La Jolla, PV, Pt Dume and Santa Barbara.

[Jimmyz123]

Thanks for putting this all together. It really helps to understand what we are going to see happen, if the state is dumb enough to let it happen.

[mermaidhunter]

this blows..... alot!

[lterrero]

What a JOKE, the best spots in LJ are closed. I can't even fish in my front yard! Boat or kayak makes no difference. Somehow these liberals need to be stopped. :pYeah, all these regulations, what impact can kayaks anglers do to ecology specially to those migratory fish and how many you can catch or fit in you kayak; freedom is only a word & a fishing license is only $48.35

[wiredantz]

I can't even tell what part of la jolla is open, it just looks like the area around the pier is open while everything else is red.

[PAL]

^It is bad, no denying. If we hadn't fought tooth and nail, we would have lost all of La Jolla. That didn't happen.

Here's the deal. When and if this goes into effect, the north-south reserve line will be pushed out to the point. From there, you can fish south to the end of Windnsea and north and west as far as you want. Going north is a thing of the past unless all you're after is bait or you don't mind paddling up to the Glider Port.

Look at the La Jolla overview map. I'm taking about that big open space between the two MPA clusters (that last word is SO appropriate).

http://www.wonews.com/images/blogNov2010/40mlpa.jpg

I don't mean to undersell the impact, which is huge. BUT - it is just plain wrong to say all of La Jolla is going, going, gone. We retain access to the most popular sections. I can't tell you how much effort that took, into the 1,000s of man hours from the hardcore at of BWE, Baytubers, KSF, etc.

That isn't good enough to me, so I support the Ocean Access Protection Fund (http://www.oceanaccessprotectionfund.org/) - a legal war chest for anglers. You should too.

Don't forget Keep America Fishing (http://www.keepamericafishing.org/action/region/california_and_pacific_region) either, another worthy place to send money to battle this thing.

[Jimmyz123]

Thanks PAL for posting all of this and thanks to EVERYONE who has, is, and will keep fighting this. Some of us may not have been able to attend the meetings but we still are giving our support in the ways that we can. I support the Keep America Fishing and have and will keep donating to help the fight.

I can't afford the money to be donating, but I do want my son to be able to fish in the same waters I did and still will fish in. I've said it before that I think some how some way I think this will all get thrown out some how.

[wiredantz]

^It is bad, no denying. If we hadn't fought tooth and nail, we would have lost all of La Jolla. That didn't happen.

Here's the deal. When and if this goes into effect, the north-south reserve line will be pushed out to the point. From there, you can fish south to the end of Windnsea and north and west as far as you want. Going north is a thing of the past unless all you're after is bait or you don't mind paddling up to the Glider Port.

Look at the La Jolla overview map. I'm taking about that big open space between the two MPA clusters (that last word is SO appropriate).

http://www.wonews.com/images/blogNov2010/40mlpa.jpg

I don't mean to undersell the impact, which is huge. BUT - it is just plain wrong to say all of La Jolla is going, going, gone. We retain access to the most popular sections. I can't tell you how much effort that took, into the 1,000s of man hours from the hardcore at of BWE, Baytubers, KSF, etc.

That isn't good enough to me, so I support the Ocean Access Protection Fund (http://www.oceanaccessprotectionfund.org/) - a legal war chest for anglers. You should too.

Don't forget Keep America Fishing (http://www.keepamericafishing.org/action/region/california_and_pacific_region) either, another worthy place to send money to battle this thing.


so when this goes through the OEX shop will be in RED and you will have to paddle for a 1 mile and a half in order to go fishing?

[dorado50]

the best LJ fishing is just past the current reserve and out to Pt.LJ. They might as well close the whole damn thing! BASTARDS...:the_finger:

[Aaron&Julie]

Going north is a thing of the past unless all you're after is bait or you don't mind paddling up to the Glider Port.

http://www.wonews.com/images/blogNov2010/40mlpa.jpg



Paul,
We're a little confused about the blue area around Scripps pier. Since blue areas are either totally open or fully closed, wouldn't that make the blue area at and north of the pier fully open for fishing of all types, besides bait? If so, then one wouldn't have to go all the way north to the glider port to start fishing north, correct?
Thanks.

[PAL]

We're a little confused about the blue area around Scripps pier. Since blue areas are either totally open or fully closed, wouldn't that make the blue area at and north of the pier fully open for fishing of all types, besides bait? If so, then one wouldn't have to go all the way north to the glider port to start fishing north, correct?

I'm glad you asked. The blue areas range from closed to fishing to totally open. It is very confusing - you have to look MPA by MPA for the regulations.

That blue splotch that starts at the pier is the San Diego-Scripps Coastal SMCA. Here are plain English regs:

San Diego-Scripps Coastal SMCA, La Jolla - No fishing except baitfish by hook and line. Southern boundary at base of Scripps Pier. Northern boundary is off the La Jolla Farms area, south of the Glider Port. Closed area includes Black's Beach.

If you looked up the actual regs, you'd see it listed as "coastal pelagics by hook and line" or some such. Coastal pelagics are sardines, anchovies, and mackerel etc. Yellowtail are NOT coastal pelagics, and neither are squid.

so when this goes through the OEX shop will be in RED and you will have to paddle for a 1 mile and a half in order to go fishing?

That isn't accurate if by OEX you mean the beach launch at Avenida de la Playa. Right now the reserve boundary is roughly a half mile out. Pushing the boundary to the point makes the trip about 2/3 of a mile one way. We battled it hard but never made headway.

Aside from losing the inside fishing grounds (:( ), at the typical paddling speed of 3 miles an hour, that trip out will take 7 minutes longer.

[Iceman]

Just take a deep breath everybody, there is nothing new and earth shattering in these maps. Most of it has been our "best case scenario" for the last year. La Jolla is not going to undergo dramatic changes. On most given days you can paddle out and have it all to yourselves, unless word gets out of a WFO bite, this will remain the way it will be. If you are looking for a sure thing, join the crowd, if you are out there to soak up what the Jewel has to offer it ain't over! Fishing north of the pier to get away from the pack will still be an option and you will be even more likely to have plenty of solitude if you are willing to go a little further.

I personally would have to say that the majority of my fish caught at La Jolla are well SW of the future boundary line. I do not expect my fishing plans to alter more than having to paddle a little more.

Bottom line is kayak fishing is not in peril. I plan to fish from a kayak until I cant physically do so anymore and even then probably from a Hobie for a few more years after that. :D

[dorado50]

The biggest and best fish I have seen taken from LJ have been caught in the "red zone". I do believe kayak fishing,with these new bounderies is in jeppardy, but thats just my opinion...:( so the reserve is .67 nm from launch, the condo is 1.4nm to get to new boundry ( Pt. LJ)is another 1.1nm..or more? Hope I'm wrong.:leaving:

[lamb]

Well said Andy... You're not "stand up and say Andy" without a reason. :)

Sure it's bad, but for all of us SD locals, and specifically with La Jolla, it could have been much, much worse. I truly believe had it not for the kayak fishing community persistent and outstanding efforts during MLPA meetings, that map would have much more red in it. I can't thank enough to everyone who has been helping the MLPA battle.

I wish folks up in Laguna or Malibu had the kind of "luck" (if I may even call it that) that we kind of ended up having with La Jolla. Seeing where "the other side" was coming from, I was worried it was going to be way worse.

With that said, it is not the end of the world, and we've got to move on. People lose a dear person, family member, husband or wife, some people lose a friggen country, and still find away to move on with their life. It's fishing, we ought to be able to survive this one, We'll just have to look for them someplace else.

What is really disturbing to me is how there is really no review / evaluation spelled out process or measurable benchmarks for MLPA. :( Once put in gear, it will probably be here to stay. Stay for good. :(

[dorado50]

Until people realize that this is socialism at work...it is the beginning of the end. We are seeing first hand how this mental disorder is deciding what is "best" for all Americans. These people are trying to take away our first and second amendment rights,that is, they are making stabs at it right now..:the_finger: wake up

[Tman]

Until people realize that this is socialism at work...it is the beginning of the end. We are seeing first hand how this mental disorder is deciding what is "best" for all Americans. These people are trying to take away our first and second amendment rights,that is, they are making stabs at it right now..:the_finger: wake up

No doubt...

Worse is what was just touched upon. They will 'review' them in 5 years, we all know how that will turn out.

[Lit-up1]

Don't scrap the kayaks yet :rolleyes:
I agree the bit about moving the boundry out to the point cuts off the closest spots, but I disagree that most of the fish are caught there.
Many of us have witnessed massive surface boils of YT in the area that we will still be allowed to fish in-Maybe the crowd will be grouped more, but like Andy says you can have the place to yourself almost any day. But the crowd can be a problem MLPA or not-I admit it :rolleyes: on a wide open bite-
That certainly won't improve, but crowds were an issue already-not caused but perhaps worsened in part by MLPA-hard to tell at this point isn't it-
This is a huge (and hard fought for-thanks PAL:notworthy:) compromise in LaJolla, but other options are out there for kayak fisherman-
Just fishing in LA JOLLA ?? I think that always was kind of limiting. Explore, try Point Loma I have caught Yellows and WSB off Point Loma-Face it one of the biggest attractions for LJ is the beach launch and vehicle access to the beach-we can still do that--very few of us paddle around the corner to the southern part on a regular basis-certainly no newbies -most of the fishing will take place where it already does-that will not change-
I think MOTHERSHIP OPTIONS are going to grow for us and we are quite a ways still from an enforceable law.
I for one :biggrinjester:don't plan on intentionally fishing in a preserve, but I wonder how clear the boundaries will really be considering half the time I was in LJ in 2010 I think it was dark(DFG has night goggles). Of course you will be responsible if caught fishing in a preserve-if the State thought you were thumbing your nose at them they could pull your license and not issue another one-ever-you ignore the law at your own peril.
I agree with Adi that once closed we are out for good-I do wonder what will happen to these areas when closed but do really hate their carrot on a stick approach, "..YOU WILL SEE in 10 years there will be more fish.."
By saying that crap they prove they think we are stupid:mad: They will never act to reopen any of these areas and when they do I promise I will eat my rocking chair:rolleyes:
Who cares what we can see if we can't fish there-I will be more crotchity in 10 years I bet:mad:

[Aaron&Julie]

We agree with Andy, Dorado and Dave, 100%. Especially about the part where once it's closed it will forever remain closed. But, also that there will still be good areas to fish. Problem there is not only does it force kayakers to bunch together, but also PBers and 1/2 day boats. Tight in the summertime for sure, even tighter on summer weekends.

Thanks, Paul, for clearing up the blue area around Scripps. Didn't key on that range part, which puts this area in the lower mid-range, we suppose.

[Billy V]

I'm completely color blind so their maps don't mean squat to me.:the_finger:

[Jimmyz123]

I nominate Andy for President, very well said man.

[Joe11]

Thanks for putting this all together. It really helps to understand what we are going to see happen, if the state is dumb enough to let it happen.

Had to LOL on the comment "if the state is dumb enough". The voters put Brown in office so the IF part is not in question.

[PAL]

^Don't forget the governator. The MLPA is all his. He's the one who took private interest money, and fixed the commission to ensure MLPA implementation the month before he left office. Brown has had almost nothing to do with it.

[WahooUSMA]

Anyone know of a chip for our FF's/GPS/Chartplotter's that will show the fuck nut MLPA boundaries?

[james92026]

Human nature being fickle as it is, I wonder how many of those who *vowed* not to renew their fishing licenses for 90 or more days will actually do it? Excuse being, "There is still a sizeable fishing area left in LJ off wind and sea". (not that the action would have any impact anyway).

[FISHIONADO]

Some of you people were completely silent and absent during the MLPA fight. Who gives a rats ass what you think now? Thanks for all the help, go complain about it somewhere else. I salute my fishing brothers and sisters who took the time to participate in the fight.

[james92026]

Not diminishing the efforts of those activists who did participate in some fashion whose efforts may have made some worthwhile difference. I was only tongue-in-cheek observing those who think that not purchasing a license for a while would make an impact, only persons hurt by that would be themselves. Self deprivation seldom affects anyone other than the initiator.

[FISHIONADO]

Hey James, my comments were directed at folks who have been on this forum for years but were silent during the MPLA process. I still wish them a very Happy New Year, but let's be real.

[roadx]

Some of you people were completely silent and absent during the MLPA fight. Who gives a rats ass what you think now? Thanks for all the help, go complain about it somewhere else. I salute my fishing brothers and sisters who took the time to participate in the fight.




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[james92026]

Oh,I know and that is exactly my point, the self bravado declarations that some made but as you said, did not participate. I have no excuses as I am a "Johnny come lately" but applaud the efforts of those who did.

Hey James, my comments were directed at folks who have been on this forum for years but were silent during the MPLA process. I still wish them a very Happy New Year, but let's be real.

[mazilla]

I'm completely color blind so their maps don't mean squat to me.:the_finger:


As am I(not completely, but "color deficient" for sure)...does anybody know of a map that is not in color shades?


:dontknow:

[dwntwnall4u]

Why couldn't they do what they do in Hawaii in certain areas?
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/136521338.html

Open/closed fishing on alternate years.

[Billy V]

Why couldn't they do what they do in Hawaii in certain areas?
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/136521338.html

Open/closed fishing on alternate years.

Probably because it has nothing to do with conservation. Its a well known fact that it has nothing to do with clean water, or stopping water pollution, urban runoff, or secondary treatment at the Point Loma Sewage Treatment Plant.

-They - Once Again have been granted permission to dump unrefined sewage directly into the ocean off Point Loma.

-Its all about environmental wackos, and Vegan Lesbians stealing away the rights of the people in this fked up state. The chemically imbalanced nutjobs who need to crusade to save something for a sense of being.

-I don't recognize any MLPA.
Mainly because I had a chance to witness for myself just how twisted and corrupt this whole scam was.......

It was clear to me, and many of my friends who were involved.
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[lowprofile]

curious if anyone has been to any of the closures since the first and how its doing? people fishing? is it being enforced? i know from another board that Zuma beach was being fished.