How often do you have a 'yard sale'?

[Limits]

Just curious...for you frequent LJ yakkers, how frequently do you have 'yard sales (i.e. flip the yak on reentry)?

Is this a rare occurence or really dependent on season, Winter vs Summer?

[Jimmyz123]

Just curious...for you frequent LJ yakkers, how frequently do you have 'yard sales (i.e. flip the yak on reentry)?

Is this a rare occurence or really dependent on season, Winter vs Summer?

I don't think anyone plans them it all depends on your experience level and how you negotiate the waves as you are coming in. Knock on wood I have not flipped launching or landing yet.

[ODOGFISH]

are ya planing one :biggrinjester:

[wiredantz]

I just Flipped my yak yesturday!!


Here is my story, went out to Topanga Beach in Malibu.


So i started my day by myself at around 1pm there some wind and the launch was a breeze, i go all around left, right, south. Well i went out got plenty of bait, small calico no keepers. AND NO haliBUTTS!!!


Time 6pm
On the way back to land my radio says there having 3-5 ft surf and i said to myself ok i hope i make. I go back to see how the area i launch from is doing. AND there i saw some huge surf. So i strap and tie everything that loose. and i wait for the shore pounds to calm down. FINally a break int the surf. I start paddling really hard and fast. I am going to make it i think to myself 30 ft to go 25 ft to go 24,23,22, 18 ft to go. When i turn behind and look behind my shoulder and I see the biggest the meanest 7 FT wave that i have ever seen so close (maybe like 5-6ftwave) AND I SAid to myself O CRAP its going to break on me!!!! I grab my paddle hard and start paddling to one side to keep the yak from turning in the water. I gather my samsonite strength and start paddling even faster. My MALIBU X-FACTOR kayak raises from the stern and the bow faces to a 45 degree angle into the water that the last thing i remember before i ended upside down and tosses me over board with my dignity. NEXT thing i know my kayak is upside down in about 4 ft of water. My rods are all over hanging by there leashes as well as my crate. I flip it back over. I toss my rods back on and pull it to shore. I only lost my hat and a gameclip. Forgot to tie the gameclip down. I am pretty good about leashing everything down. Man that was my first wipe out since i started fishing.

If anyone sees my Brown Cowboy hat and a game clip, let me know and for some reason i have alot of tar on my yak.

Man that surf was brutal!!! i am exhausted.


O SNAPs I just remembered i had my Fish ID cards that i made at kinkos in the CRate!!! Damn it...

[467echo]

If you are prepared to flip than you probably won't lose anything. Most peoples yard sale is because they were not prepared for what happened. If you have every thing secure and you flip the worst thing that happens is you get wet and people on the beach got to witness it. Hopefully without a camera on you.:D

[old_rookie]

I think I have flipped of rolled more than half the times of landing back at the beach. That is why I got the OK Trident - I can store my rods, and gaff, in the rod pod and not worry about them.

[StinkyMatt]

Frank, that silly hat needed to go!:D
Paddle faster you slow poke!

[BrokeLoser]

Dallas Cowboys hat?
You didn't really want that anyway did you?

Haha....sorry for your wipeout

[roby]

I just Flipped my yak yesturday!!

Glad you made it out alive...

[jorluivil]

I think I just discovered an unorthodox style of surf landing on a yak. For several months I've been thinking about how to prevent getting that yard sale (getting tossed) and today when I was about to land at LJ I decided to finally give my idea a try. As soon as I got close to the area where the waves were cresting I flip the yak around and paddled backwards, this allowed me to see all the waves as they were building, cresting and breaking. I had two waves come in that I know would make me surf, and probably get tossed. When these two waves hit I was able to slightly paddle forward and once the wave passed me I started to paddle backwards again.......worked better than expected.

[wiredantz]

Let me tell you guys, it only takes one bad surf landing to tell you that you better put everything inside the kayak before you make a yard sale. I had a few things float in the water, put some where a pain to get to because the huge waves. Next time ill store everything i have inside the yak and tie the rods parallel to the side of the yak. I am surprised none of my rods broke on that rough landing. I have not once flipped going out into the surf, but i am terrible at surf landings.

[wiredantz]

Let me tell you guys, it only takes one bad surf landing to tell you that you better put everything inside the kayak before you make a yard sale. I had a few things float in the water, put some where a pain to get to because the huge waves. Next time ill store everything i have inside the yak and tie the rods parallel to the side of the yak. I am surprised none of my rods broke on that rough landing. I have no once flipped going out into the surf, but i am terrible at surf landings.


I WILL NOT UNDERESTIMATE A SURF LANDING AGAIN.


Next time everything i can fit will go inside my yak no matter what!

[old_rookie]

I think I just discovered an unorthodox style of surf landing on a yak. For several months I've been thinking about how to prevent getting that yard sale (getting tossed) and today when I was about to land at LJ I decided to finally give my idea a try. As soon as I got close to the area where the waves were cresting I flip the yak around and paddled backwards, this allowed me to see all the waves as they were building, cresting and breaking. I had two waves come in that I know would make me surf, and probably get tossed. When these two waves hit I was able to slightly paddle forward and once the wave passed me I started to paddle backwards again.......worked better than expected.

That's an interesting idea.

[taggermike]

I got cavalier in small surf in LJ last year, got spun, then flipped, and lost a rod. I didn't stow or leash any thing and I paid for it. I have wiped out before but I had things secured and didn't lose anything. I've surfed launched at places that aren't popular with yakkers, like south Imperial Beach, Salt Creek, Baja beach breaks, South Oceanside and in wierd 2 way shore pound along the Outer Banks of NC. I'm not saying this to brag, only to say that I have tried about every way there is to land a kayak in a wide variety of conditions. Surfing in, riding the back of a wave in, sprint paddling to the sand, and getting out and wading in. Like jorliuvil sayed, backing the kayak in can work pretty well. Once in Oside the conditions changed so radically that I thought about paddling all the way to the harbor. Instead I stowed every thing as best I could and just let the kayak wash in to the beach and swam in after it. Desperate messures. The point of this post is to say that if you admit to being "bad at surf landings" the way to get better is to practice. Leave all your gear on the beach and just get out there. Crashing isn't too intimadating when your kayak is empty. That way you'll know what your kayak will do in situations where you'd never want to be while fishing. OK, I rambled. Mike

[YakMedic]

After losing a rod last year everything is stowed in the hull on launch and landing. I can't afford to lose equipment.

[JoeBeck]

Go out and surf your kayak, no gear for an hour or so. I actually enjoy doing this yearly. No more yard sales.

[Fiskadoro]

Is this a rare occurence or really dependent on season, Winter vs Summer?

I've rolled once at La Jolla: all I lost was my sunscreen a few Irons I had thrown in the baittank. At Esco I have had a couple of incidents where I had just hit the sand, jumped out and then had the yak tossed around by a second beach break wave that came out of nowhere. I haven't lost much but I stow my gear every time. You never know when your going to get dumped.


Jim

[rogersmith]

I rolled a week ago, idiotically because I was already off the kayak, but I let the boat turn sideways, pulled from my tired grasp. Very lucky not to have broken rods, will ALWAYS use the rod pod from now on. Had to do some repairs on flush mounted rod holder, popped the welnuts out but rod didn't break! Kudos to graftech

[JPSURF]

Tommy as long as you have been on the Yak i doubt you dump much!

:cheers1:

JP

[Riskey Water]

I've never been DOUSHED paddling in, but had one day in Mex that went Gilligans Island on me .The ocean was like a pond going out but 10 hours later coming back in it was close-out sets with 15 ft faces and the only safe landing was 7 miles away at La Salina .So I made sure EVERYTHING was stowed and the paddle leash secured .I paddled into the surf break waves ,caught a wave and half way down the face I bailed out and let my kayak get washed on shore and I swam in .No gear lost or broken ,but my ego was taken down a notch .

[T Bone]

The following is a link to "THE ULTIMATE YARDSALE"

This forever changed my views toward landing in the surf

One tip I will give you is leave the water in your bait tank The ballast will help you out.I had drained my tank and had a monster fish in my lap in Med-Heavy surf.I have since landed in bigger surf with water in the tank and it helps.I lost some very high end gear.That Shimano Calcutta rod is now a cult classic,they were made in washington and go for big bucks when they come up for sale.Not to mention losing 2 2spd avets a brand new diawa sealine and a graphite usa rod and my glasses.I figure about a $2K loss.lesson learned.I rod podded my big game and can get 8'ers in there and leash the 90J.Big Thanks to the BWE community for offering all the loaner gear.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=7093&highlight=ultimate+yardsale

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=7093&highlight=ultimate+yardsale

[old_rookie]

I wonder if it is worth snorkeling the area in search for lost gear? Of course you'll need to be able to dive deep enough to retrieve some of it.

[wiredantz]

I thought about doing that, but with all those waves it would be hard and the water would be all dirty from the tide and sand.


I just said Ill have to take a loss. Ill never find anthing, the bums have a much better chance of finding things that kayakers have lost since they spend all their time trolling the beach.

Plus, depending on what you have lost the time we have on the water is very valuable too. Do you want to spend what little time you have fishing or do you want to have a 1% chance of snorkeling for your lost gear.

[dmrides]

Man, if I get skunked one more time, I am going to have a big ol' yard sale. Oh wait, you are talking about a different kind of yard sale. Do what Joe says, go surf it for a while. It is a heck of a lot of fun and an incredible learning experience. While you are waiting for waves, see how far you can lean before you roll, how to correct a roll, see if you can stand up, kneel down, reach the bow and stern, etc. It will pay off huge and increase your comfort level a ton.

[dsafety]

I think I just discovered an unorthodox style of surf landing on a yak. For several months I've been thinking about how to prevent getting that yard sale (getting tossed) and today when I was about to land at LJ I decided to finally give my idea a try. As soon as I got close to the area where the waves were cresting I flip the yak around and paddled backwards, this allowed me to see all the waves as they were building, cresting and breaking. I had two waves come in that I know would make me surf, and probably get tossed. When these two waves hit I was able to slightly paddle forward and once the wave passed me I started to paddle backwards again.......worked better than expected.


This is actually a really good way to handle larger surf. I saw a guy at LJ in a sit-inside yak do the same thing. As he got to the surf line he spun the kayak so the bow faced the waves and backed in. The bow sliced cleanly through the incoming waves. When he got the sand he stepped out of the cockpit as if there had been no waves at all.

If you have a yak with peddles or a rudder, you will probably want to secure those in the up position before trying this trick.

Bob

[Billy V]

You mean like This.... ? .:eek: Risky stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ac6zpUad84

[jorluivil]

You mean like This.... ? .:eek: Risky stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ac6zpUad84

Yes and No. Once you see the wave coming you need to paddle forward, the guy in the video paddled backwards, twice.

[tagyak]

The following is a link to "THE ULTIMATE YARDSALE"

This forever changed my views toward landing in the surf

One tip I will give you is leave the water in your bait tank The ballast will help you out.I had drained my tank and had a monster fish in my lap in Med-Heavy surf.I have since landed in bigger surf with water in the tank and it helps.I lost some very high end gear.That Shimano Calcutta rod is now a cult classic,they were made in washington and go for big bucks when they come up for sale.Not to mention losing 2 2spd avets a brand new diawa sealine and a graphite usa rod and my glasses.I figure about a $2K loss.lesson learned.I rod podded my big game and can get 8'ers in there and leash the 90J.Big Thanks to the BWE community for offering all the loaner gear.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=7093&highlight=ultimate+yardsale

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=7093&highlight=ultimate+yardsale

just read your previous post. great fish!!
how is Dylan? hope that everything turned out okay.....

[Jimmyz123]

You mean like This.... ? .:eek: Risky stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ac6zpUad84

I think I'll keep my nose pointed at the beach, I like to see where I'm going when a wave is pushing me. If you keep your down hill edge up while sliding down the wave you should be able to surf it in without getting rolled. If you let that downhill edge down you will roll.

[wiredantz]

You mean like This.... ? .:eek: Risky stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ac6zpUad84



OMG THAT WAS ALMOST LIKE MY FLIP LAST SATURDAY!!! EXCEPT I was facing the beach and the kayak flipped over my head as I flew forward WITH A 5 ft surf and ended up in 4 ft of water. Any closer and i think my rods would of broken. I am going to walmart today to buy some pool noodles. (just like that guy who put his rods on the noodles as he took off and landed.)

[ratdog]

Tommy,I know I shouldn't reply here because now its gonna happen... I have been lucky enough to have never flipped. If I'm worried I go in facing the beach but keep my legs out the sides to slow myself down then try to catch the back of the wave in. If it looks too big I just do A uturn in my truck and don't go out. Now that I have a Hobie its not as easy as when I had a prowler and stowed everything.

[T Bone]

Dylan is 7 months Cancer free.Thank you Jesus!

[Jimmyz123]

Dylan is 7 months Cancer free.Thank you Jesus!

Praise God for this blessing for you and your family.

[GregAndrew]

I keep the front of my kayak pointed toward the beach, but my attention toward the oncoming swell/waves. If I am going to catch a wave big enough to pearl me, then I back paddle through it. Everything else can be handled by my paddle and or legs over the sides. For the really nasty stuff, I take my camera to the beach and wait for someone else to provide my $10,000 Americas Funniest Video entry.

[wiredantz]

I found this video: I did it all wrong!!! You are suppose to lean into the wave!!!!

No wonder i totally flipped!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPL1vPW25kg


and this is what not to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j2pD_TXFb8&NR=1

[Jimmyz123]

I found this video: I did it all wrong!!! You are suppose to lean into the wave!!!!

No wonder i totally flipped!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPL1vPW25kg


and this is what not to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j2pD_TXFb8&NR=1

Both of those, in my opinion, are must watches for anyone who is going to surf launch and land. Jim knows what he's talking about, and has been doing this longer than most of us, so listening to him is a very good idea.

[wms,Jr]

I flipped a year ago with my son sleeping in the front, messed up situation, my fault, i got so into trying to get a lure from being stuck on the bottom I started rocking the boat without realizing it and when the line snapped, wow it went over the other way really fast. I did learn some tricks about tying your gear down the hard way, i caught my son first and then my best pole, lost everything else. I'm not a real good kayaker or fisherman, adds to the experience though

[mtnbykr2]

Frank,
always always lean into it dig the paddle in to, you can put your feet
out if you feel like it is sketchy, that will stabalize you a bit more, and always exit the yak sea side, never beach side...sorry about the yard sale,
no one ever expects to have one but like everyone has said, be prepared to have one and it won't be so costly...
the hat, damn that was your lucky hat...a staple, but look at it this way, now you can start over, I think a pink feather in the new hat would be cool....lol:rolleyes:

[wiredantz]

Frank,
always always lean into it dig the paddle in to, you can put your feet
out if you feel like it is sketchy, that will stabalize you a bit more, and always exit the yak sea side, never beach side...sorry about the yard sale,
no one ever expects to have one but like everyone has said, be prepared to have one and it won't be so costly...
the hat, damn that was your lucky hat...a staple, but look at it this way, now you can start over, I think a pink feather in the new hat would be cool....lol:rolleyes:


The only hat i have left is this one!!

So if you see me wearing it you know its me.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/darkmatrix84/goofyhat.png

[old_rookie]

Frank,
always always lean into it

I'm no expert at surf landings. I will agree with mtnbykr2, because there was one time I was being pushed to the sand by a wave, kayak parallel to the beach. I leaned into it so much that my ear and shoulder were getting wet - but, I didn't flip - I was surprised. Wished there was a video of that landing.

[mtnbykr2]

[QUOTE=wiredantz;80454]The only hat i have left is this one!!

So if you see me wearing it you know its me.

that is awesome I believe all of us "north shore navy" should have those
hats, i love it :reel:

[Limits]

:cool:Sorry for the late reply. I forgot I had started this thread...

I don't think anyone plans them it all depends on your experience level and how you negotiate the waves as you are coming in. Knock on wood I have not flipped launching or landing yet.
I was really referring to this in the general sense; how often does that happen. I'm sure most don't plan to flip in the surf, but if the conditions look dicey, do you give it a shot anyway?

It's a long haul from where I reside to the shores of LJ so I try to ensure that that conditions are at least somewhat conducive to a successful launch. That being said, I've never flipped in LJ but again, I've only had less than a dozen outings there too. (knock on wood:cheers1:)
are ya planing one :biggrinjester:
Not exactly. :) But I was curious as to how often that does occur in LJ.

You want to caravan down there one day Oscar?


I just Flipped my yak yesturday!!


Here is my story, went out to Topanga Beach in Malibu.


So i started my day by myself at around 1pm there some wind and the launch was a breeze, i go all around left, right, south. Well i went out got plenty of bait, small calico no keepers. AND NO haliBUTTS!!!


Time 6pm
On the way back to land my radio says there having 3-5 ft surf and i said to myself ok i hope i make. I go back to see how the area i launch from is doing. AND there i saw some huge surf. So i strap and tie everything that loose. and i wait for the shore pounds to calm down. FINally a break int the surf. I start paddling really hard and fast. I am going to make it i think to myself 30 ft to go 25 ft to go 24,23,22, 18 ft to go. When i turn behind and look behind my shoulder and I see the biggest the meanest 7 FT wave that i have ever seen so close (maybe like 5-6ftwave) AND I SAid to myself O CRAP its going to break on me!!!! I grab my paddle hard and start paddling to one side to keep the yak from turning in the water. I gather my samsonite strength and start paddling even faster. My MALIBU X-FACTOR kayak raises from the stern and the bow faces to a 45 degree angle into the water that the last thing i remember before i ended upside down and tosses me over board with my dignity. NEXT thing i know my kayak is upside down in about 4 ft of water. My rods are all over hanging by there leashes as well as my crate. I flip it back over. I toss my rods back on and pull it to shore. I only lost my hat and a gameclip. Forgot to tie the gameclip down. I am pretty good about leashing everything down. Man that was my first wipe out since i started fishing.

If anyone sees my Brown Cowboy hat and a game clip, let me know and for some reason i have alot of tar on my yak.

Man that surf was brutal!!! i am exhausted.


O SNAPs I just remembered i had my Fish ID cards that i made at kinkos in the CRate!!! Damn it...
Thanks for sharing. 7 footer in LJ....yikes, that's HUGE.

If you are prepared to flip than you probably won't lose anything. Most peoples yard sale is because they were not prepared for what happened. If you have every thing secure and you flip the worst thing that happens is you get wet and people on the beach got to witness it. Hopefully without a camera on you.:D

That's true. I guess as long as everything is teathered, "we" should be good to go. Better safe than sorry. I might have to make some more leashes before my next trip then. :cool:

I think I have flipped of rolled more than half the times of landing back at the beach. That is why I got the OK Trident - I can store my rods, and gaff, in the rod pod and not worry about them.
That's very interesting. How many times is that? Do you chalk it up to simply bad conditions when you go? Maybe needing some refinement to your technique? Sounds like a lot of flipping. I'd have serious reservations about the trip if I was flipping 1/2 the time; but that's just me.

[Limits]

I WILL NOT UNDERESTIMATE A SURF LANDING AGAIN.


Next time everything i can fit will go inside my yak no matter what!

I hear you there.


I think I just discovered an unorthodox style of surf landing on a yak. For several months I've been thinking about how to prevent getting that yard sale (getting tossed) and today when I was about to land at LJ I decided to finally give my idea a try. As soon as I got close to the area where the waves were cresting I flip the yak around and paddled backwards, this allowed me to see all the waves as they were building, cresting and breaking. I had two waves come in that I know would make me surf, and probably get tossed. When these two waves hit I was able to slightly paddle forward and once the wave passed me I started to paddle backwards again.......worked better than expected.

Very interesting technique. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Go out and surf your kayak, no gear for an hour or so. I actually enjoy doing this yearly. No more yard sales.

You know, I was actually thinking about this. Also, maybe going out in the harbor and intentionally flipping my yak (with a buddy close by of course!) and try to flip it back up right. I just want to be prepared in case of an accidental flip out in deep water or in the surf.

I used to have a Malibu Extreme and NEVER felt like I was going to flip it while out on the water. Being a Hobie Revo owner now, I've had a couple of outings where I was hung up on structure, pulled a little to hard and felt myself going going too far over to one side. Scary for a second, but got me thinking; how successful would I be at getting it up right if I did flip?

Maybe I think too much...:D

Tommy as long as you have been on the Yak i doubt you dump much!

:cheers1:

JP

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but don't take my lack of flipping as sign of a well skilled kayaker, but more of a cautious one. :)

When we hitting the LB islands again?


Tommy,I know I shouldn't reply here because now its gonna happen... I have been lucky enough to have never flipped. If I'm worried I go in facing the beach but keep my legs out the sides to slow myself down then try to catch the back of the wave in. If it looks too big I just do A uturn in my truck and don't go out. Now that I have a Hobie its not as easy as when I had a prowler and stowed everything.

Doing the uturn is a difficult decision after driving 100+ miles to get there. Luckily, I haven't had to do it 'yet', but I hear you on that one.

Thanks John.

[Limits]

I found this video: I did it all wrong!!! You are suppose to lean into the wave!!!!

No wonder i totally flipped!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPL1vPW25kg


and this is what not to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j2pD_TXFb8&NR=1

Great videos! I just watched Jim's video and took a bunch of mental notes. Thanks for sharing.

[h2ofishfo]

havent ate shit yet fingers crossed just gotta know how to time a set and if u see a roller coming close jump off and hold on to the nose of the yak and for hobie guys that use the paddle coming in why the hell do u do that the drive is faster

[flydigital]

Knock on wood I haven't tanked it in doing this for about 7 years.

Really there is no excuse to lose anything. If you are launching/landing with loose gear you are just asking for it IMO. While I have been lucky and haven't been rolled (yet) I expect and plan for it each and every time.

[flydigital]

and for hobie guys that use the paddle coming in why the hell do u do that the drive is faster

Because you can't turn the kayak around or have much steering control at all (in the surf zone) if you are using the pedals/rudder. Nor can you back-paddle. And no, the drive is not faster. Its about the same as the paddle actually. Also, you have much more balance and overall control with your paddle out. Good luck catching a wave without it.

To each their own. I always have the pedals and rudder up on the way out and back in.

[h2ofishfo]

Because you can't turn the kayak around. And no, the drive is not faster. Its about the same as the paddle actually. Good luck catching a wave without it.

To each their own. I always have the pedals and rudder up on the way out and back in.i guess to each there own????????why would want to catch a wave is beyond me i have a surfboard for that . and do u put the plastic drive piece in when u paddle because i highly doubt u are faster then the drive without it . last why do u wanna turn around in a wave thats how u flip

[flydigital]

i guess to each there own????????why would want to catch a wave is beyond me i have a surfboard for that . and do u put the plastic drive piece in when u paddle because i highly doubt u are faster then the drive without it . last why do u wanna turn around in a wave thats how u flip

LOL if you have never caught a wave that you didn't want to then more power to you. On big days I have occasionally been in the situation where it is unavoidable.

Why do I want to turn around? In a wave? Who said that? I mean in between waves. You know that sneaker set builds up right after you decide to charge in? Again, if you've never had to turn around for whatever reason then more power to you.

[h2ofishfo]

LOL if you have never caught a wave that you didn't want to then more power to you. On big days I have occasionally been in the situation where it is unavoidable.

Why do I want to turn around? In a wave? Who said that? I mean in between waves. You know that sneaker set builds up right after you decide to charge in? Again, if you've never had to turn around for whatever reason then more power to you.i hear u to each there own just that u start haulin ass in from 6-8ft of water to land and with the drive given u time the set right u can jump off in 2ft of water before that sneaker set comes in on u .seems that trying to turn around opens u up to the dreaded yard sale.

[flydigital]

i hear u to each there own just that u start haulin ass in from 6-8ft of water to land and with the drive given u time the set right u can jump off in 2ft of water before that sneaker set comes in on u .seems that trying to turn around opens u up to the dreaded yard sale.

In most conditions yes I agree with this, but really the drive isn't any faster. I can do about 4.8MPH either way, of course I can do it for longer with pedals but we're talking a short sprint here. So yeah for me I just like the maneuverability advantage of the paddle and don't feel I'm giving up speed.