I like this article even better:

http://nationalreport.net/breaking-f...es-ocean-boil/

"Almost two hours after today’s incident what’s being called the “Fukushima Plume of Death” is rapidly bearing down on Hawaii. It’s estimated once Hawaii is hit California will be hit about 90 minutes after."

Yes indeed a radiation plume that can move from Hawaii to California in just 90 minutes !!!!!!!!

Roughly 2500 miles. That's faster then the speed of sound :D

anyone with much of an analytical mind at all, can quickly decipher that the BullSh!t presented in these 2 articles above (and the MANY similar others in existence these days) from the numerous "the sky is falling/the world is ending" type websites, is mostly all complete nonsense.

BUT in contrast, when evaluating both numerous prior and especially RECENT articles, from more mainstream sources such as BOTH FOX (Conservative) & CNN (Liberal), like these 2 articles below....


Radiation readings spike at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09...nuclear-plant/


Why Fukushima is worse than you think:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....han-you-think/


and also considering this FACT, which has been reported by MANY prior articles.....


then IMHO - all the people who still try to rant & rave & deny that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible significant health risk factors, for the people of the U.S. Pacific West Coast, must surely be CLOSE relatives of these guys below....

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...1OFpA-j5xQQr18


just saying !! ;)

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What "FACT" or facts.

I already know what those two articles say because I've already read both of them, but let me paraphrase them:

Fox...

Radiation levels in holding tanks of contaminated water at the plant has increased, and they've detected some leaks in the plumbing. The plant suffered meltdown after the massive earthquake, as a result the reactors are broken and have to be cooled with water, that said they are trying contain the waste. There has been some leaching of ground water, and a recent spill 300-ton (300,000-liter, 80,000-gallon) was the worst release of radioactive water since the crisis began. Authorities say they can't fully stop contaminated water leaks right away, water is still leaking in to the sea, but Scientists have said that contamination tends to be carried by a southward current and gets largely diluted as it spreads out into the sea.

That's a pretty simple assessment but I'll point out the obvious.... the FACTS they present are pretty much in line with what I said, and they are not talking about radioactive fish on this side of the Pacific.

CNN (actually a CNN opinion blog)

Toyoshi Fuketa a radiation expert says they've been careless at the plant, he mentions the recent spill, and says contaminated water is still reaching the ocean.

He says the amount of radioactivity released in March 2011 was less then Chernobyl but in the the total amount of stored cooling water Est. 400,000 tons there is in fact 2.5 times the amount of radioactive cesium dispersed in Chernobyl back in 1986.

He overestimates it's size, as 160 Olympic swimming pools would be in truth be 440,000 tons.

He then explains since the radioactive fuel still needs to be cooled constantly they inject about 400 tons of this stored water into the reactors daily. The water is recirculated from storage which he then for some reason increases estimates up in size to "600,000 tons of highly radioactive liquid" in the tanks.

He then says they are cooling the reactors using four kilometer long lines that were improvised after the emergency, that are not standard industry equipment, some of which are vinyl, or more likely PVC.

He then says the recent leak of 300 tons of radioactive water showed a frightening level of amateurism, and that soil around the tanks is contaminated.

He says the tank leak is just the latest in a long list of things are going fundamentally wrong at the site. He also says if the lost containment of their cooling water it would not only release radioactivity it could lead to another meltdown, and said the challenge of fixing these problems is pretty much unprecedented.


Better read, great stuff, I agree with his assessment 100% right down the line.


Between those two articles you can get a pretty good idea of whats going on.

The current amount of radiation that's been released is likely somewhere between a 10% to around 40% of what was released at Chernobyl. That said the cooling water they have been recirculating to cool the damaged reactors is..DUH!!... getting more and more contaminated with radiation all the time. Total loss of containment of that cooling water would not only release up to two and a half times as much as radiation as Chernobyl but it could also lead to another melt down.

The concern is since this cooling setup was improvised after the disaster it's not up to specs and it has been leaking. So authorities are concerned and want more oversight about what's being done and what could be done to eventually get this all under control.

Pretty simple huh!!!

Straight up nothing in either of those articles disagrees with anything I've posted in this thread. There is also absolutely nothing in either of them that suggests there are any potential radiation issues with locally caught game fish here in the United States.


You say this:


There is no basis for that. Yes there has been a big disaster, but it's not big enough to contaminate the whole Pacific. The Pacific is just too big. You have to weigh the amount of contamination released against the huge size of the Pacific and the numbers do not add up to what you suggest they could.

I mean sorry dude but there is nothing in either of those articles that backs up your rant. I'm not ranting, I'm laughing because this whole thing is so overblown and ridiculous. People that are making these wild contamination claims obviously either have no clue of the basic science, mechanics, or even the amount of water involved. I will admit that it's disappointing the some people believe it but you know people make this stuff intentionally to manipulate others, and people react to fear in often irrational ways.

Speaking of Chernobyl. Know anything about it's cooling setup? I actually know something about it because of the fish. Yes there are still fish in the cooling ponds at Chernobyl. I really like to catch big fish, so I've read up on it and right now the Chernobyl cooling ponds potentially hold some of the largest Wells Catfish in existence (over 500 pounds), due simply to the fact they are closed to fishing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw0j9hcVtk8

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Which brings me back to my whole point. There are people in this country that are intentionally over blowing potential risks to our fish, simply because they have an agenda, and don't want us fishing for them. Our fish are not like those in Chernobyl. Don't buy into this crap. Our fish are fine and when you consider the size of the Pacific and the actual amounts of radiation released in true perspective, barring some huge change that creates a much larger disaster our fish are going to be fine for the foreseeable future.

Jim

As long as we're characterizing by cartoon, here's the flip side:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...psd3f21269.jpg

OK, if u say so.....
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Jim, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them think.

Not sure that's true, sounds like it might be true, or maybe we should be concerned that in a unique set of circumstances it might appear to be true. :D

that statement can definitely go BOTH ways here, including with all those in "denial mode".


i stick with my prior concept on this topic. considering these FACTS below, which have been reported by MANY prior articles:

....2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site....

....MORE radioactive contamination is CONTINUALLY leaking out into Pacific waters EVERY DAY, with no definitive end in sight....

.... no one YET knows for sure (in past years or present time) the EXACT rates of leaking, nor the EXACT contamination level of leaking water, nor the honesty or disclosure level of TEPCO reports, nor the capabilities of TEPCO to resolve problem anytime in foreseeable future....


As of now, it is impossible to predict exactly what issues may evolve in future, and it will likely be many years before all is known here. but there is certainly a POTENTIAL serious health threat going on here.


and thus, IMHO - all the people who still try to DENY that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible significant health risk factors, for the people of the U.S. Pacific West Coast, are merely in "denial" mode here. (sorta like an ostrich with their head in sand, or like a young child shaking their head saying na, na, na, na, na, na, na, when you are trying to talk to them.)
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Really, well since you brought it up, just how far down is your head, in the sand that is?

So in other words, your trying to say that the sky really is falling?

The fact here is that no one here has has disagreed with your above listed conclusions. What has been stated (and the facts fully support), is that your conclusion are so highly unlikely that they are utterly ridiculous. The scale/ratio of contaminant is like a meteorite in all of space; in the big picture, it is insignificant, in both a general and scientific terms.

NOT only am I NOT SAYING THAT.
but i specifically said that was nonsense.

you either DIDN'T read prior posts, or can't understand what you read.

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Dude, there is a term for the level of understanding of what one reads, it's called reading comprehension. 2 of the people you arguing with have excellent reading comprehension. So what is it that your actually trying to say, other than regressing to slinging insults?

Clearly, claiming that there is a potential significant health risk, is the same as claiming the sky is falling.

Soo....when are the sea lions gonna start dropping dead...?:eek:

Dude, don't you know, the sky is already falling.

Funny I wasn't going to bring it up but I'd say ignoring the scale of the pollution in comparison to the scale of the Pacific is absolutely a form of denial.

In fact you're ignoring the most important fact involved. The fact you can't see that may just show how deep your denial goes.

Say I told you that planets have been destroyed by the impact of asteroids, and meteors. Then stated that thousands of celestial bodies like meteors hit the Earth every day. Both are true and factual.

I supposed you could then say we are all in imminent danger. Then when others do not agree with you, claim that anyone who doesn't think so, that people who try to DENY that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible risk factors involving the possibility of a major meteor strike for the people of Earth, are all merely in "denial" mode.

That would ignore a significant issue, the scale of the things involved and the resulting probability of a major celestial catastrophic event in our lifetime.

I don't deny the facts involved with the spill. I just think your conclusions are biased and wrong because you ignore both scale and probability.

Could a particle of that radiation end up in a fish off our coast. Yes it could, but given the scale of the pollution spilled and the scale of the Pacific it's highly improbable, and not likely to happen.

Oh and I tend to find when people start saying things like everyone who doesn't agree with them is in denial, or they are like a young child shaking their head saying na, na, na, na, na, na, na, when you are trying to talk to them. Well I'd say that's someone who does not handle disagreement well, has a closed mind, and feels he has to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them so they can then completely ignore any possible validity of their arguments.

Meteors are FALLING!!!!!! Hundreds EVERY DAY!!!!

It's the end of the world as we know it :doh:

Don't believe everything you read! Especially when it's not published in a peer reviewed scientific journal! :doh:

You guys are classic. Nice to see you are back in the game Hobie Pedaler. :you_rock:

Honestly, this is old news. I have been working directly to assist in the sampling and testing of muscle tissue from hundreds of bluefin tuna over the past few years. Some of the results are very cool, but like stated by many above not a heath concern.

Google: Fukushima, pacific bluefin tuna, migration, stable isotope, radiocesium



Or if you want to get really crazy try Google Scholar:


http://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en


Choose your sources wisely!


If you add Daniel Madigan to your google search you will find a few papers that discuss results from actual scientific analysis of muscle tissue from bluefin tuna sampled locally here in San Diego. I am currently working with Dan to continue sampling and analysis.

I can post links to a few recent PUBLISHED papers if there is interest. But like most scientific papers unless you do some background reading a lot of the paper will be hard to understand. That's why scientific results can be misconstrued so easily.

The internet is littered with blogs and news reports written by people who barely understand the subjects they're getting payed to write about.

Which is why it's important to think for yourself.

But the short version is below:

Fukushima Radiation in Migrating Bluefin Tuna Expected to Fall


<cite class="byline"> By Stuart Biggs - May 29, 2012 1:35 AM PT </cite>



Radioactive material found in bluefin tuna that swam or fed in waters off the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan is likely to decrease over time as the material dilutes in the ocean, scientists said.
A study of 15 Pacific bluefin caught off San Diego in August last year found levels of radioactive cesium 10 times higher than in fish caught in previous years and provide “unequivocal evidence” that the radiation came from Fukushima, researchers including Daniel Madigan and Nicholas Fisher said in a study published yesterday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Contamination levels, which the authors say are not a danger to public health, are likely to decline even though cesium has ‘biomagnification’ characteristics, meaning the concentration increases from prey fish to predators when cesium is consumed. That would be offset by the bluefin’s metabolism, which should excrete cesium at a rate of about 2 percent per day, Fisher wrote in an e-mail.
“Much will depend on the concentration in the prey fish, which in turn is ultimately dependent on the water concentration,” wrote Fisher, a professor at Stony Brook University in New York, in response to e-mail questions. “If concentrations in water will eventually decline, as we would expect, due to dilution and dispersion, then concentrations in living organisms will eventually decline as well.”

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/05/22/1204859109

open the Full Text PDF and enjoy

OK to close the thread Now....
 

Everybody got to say what they believe...it will just be political fighting going forward...:ack2:

The truth is that you receive more radiation from the sun while you are fishing than radiation from the fish that you would catch/eat.

So that's why those pup sealions are dying. They are eating too many Bluefin tuna :D

Yeah I figured that Bluefin and even possibly Albacore could end up with some trace contaminants but it's important to note that is because during their migration they fed on bait over there and then migrated here. It's not because the radiation has drifted across the ocean and is now contaminating our waters. I don't know about you but personally I do not catch too many kayak bluefin or albacore. I wish I did :D

The fish kayakers catch locally are clean and as you state even the most tainted Bluefin your likely to catch offshore is still going to be safe to eat.

So speaking of biomagnification how were the mercury levels in those same Bluefin?

Thanks for the post, and clarification!!!!

Bla bla bla. Clearly when slinging insults is the best you can do, then you stick to it :you_rock:

But hey, I bet there are lots of people willing to take your so called contaminated fish off your hands. So no need for you to release them, and possibly magnify the possible contamination :cheers1:


Tight lines!

certainly debateable. based on prior quotes/posts in this thread, and especially considering your next statement....


NO, these are NOT even close to the SAME.

the sky is falling basically means "the entire world is coming to an end", or all of life & civilization is doomed or finished. (go use any search engine out there & research, if you are in denial on this.)

while there are MANY potential significant health risks occurring daily all over the planet, from numerous causes. but NONE of these are going to end the world.
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So, is this just the start of the end?

Everything is debatable to the uninformed.

Gary is a psychologist, well read, with superior reading comprehension but he also has that rare ability to read between the lines and catch subtleties, the things others miss. That goes for everything from subtle jokes to subtle neurosis.

He's one of the few people I really enjoy fishing with. Great guy, hell of a hunter, and damn good fisherman. :cheers1:

No dude, it's not even close to the same thing. Obviously your in denial again. When someone here is saying the sky is falling, there actually making fun of ridicules outlandish unsubstantiated claims. Those same claims you pushed, but are now backing away from.

where & when in this entire thread, am i backing away from anything i previously posted ???

again, your reading comprehension seems EXTREMELY suspect to me.

(and before you make another grand analysis about me "slinging insults", that's not meant as an insult. it's merely what i'm personally seeing/reading throughout this thread here.)
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There seems to be a lot of heated debate going on between a few members with differing opinions and articles they've included in their posts, both during and since my last post on Saturday night. Here it is again for those that missed it:
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http://news.msn.com/world/radiation-readings-spike-at-fukushima-nuclear-plant<O:p</O:p

Has anyone bothered reading this MSN newsfeed article about actual facts, vice your own opinions. The link is included in my last post, as well, and goes into great detail, about what Japan isn't doing to fix their, and now potentially the world's problem with this nuclear crisis. To me, that seems to be far more important than your own opinions. The article woke me up, that one way or the other, some serious detrimental shit is going on over in Japan, which is why I retracted my previous blasé attitude.

Now, if ya all will stop bitchen' at each other for a while, and give the article a good read, you may, like I did, change your own mind (to some degree) about the impact we may or may not be facing, over here.

Obviously, I surely wouldn't want to be living within a few hundred miles of that Nuclear power plant, right now, or even in the future.

You have really forgotten already? Do you really want me to go through the thread and post them all up; For everyone to see?

well, just like i do here, MANY sources in the world, would disagree with your post above.

if u want to check some of these MANY sources, use any search engine you want, for this term: "what is the meaning of the sky is falling".

the far MAJORITY of sources coming up in that search, will state something very similar to:

"it means that it is the end of the world".


but i guess we should all just believe what YOU say, that you are correct on this, and everyone else from ALL those sources are wrong.



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please do !!

i can't wait to see what you come up with here.

i suspect it will be FAR more entertaining (& inaccurate), than is your "personal definition" of the term, the sky is falling.
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Ok seems like the only way to settle this matter at this point is to fight it out to the death....

where and when can I watch!:luxhello:


my money is on hobie peddler though...!

You guys are too much! gett'n all heated over nothing!!!:D
Just go fish'n already! If we all end up dying from radiation poisoning...so be it, there's nothing we can do about it at this point anyway...it's too late, the reactor already melted down...the radiation has already been released...the train has left the station...elvis has left the building... No sense in fighting about it now...but it's entertaining....

Carry on! :cheers1:

Oh my!!!!

In Chicken Little ( a story that dates back over 2000 years) there is a hen who thinks the world is about to end, and a phrase that translates roughly into "The Sky is falling" is in that story. However for hundreds of years now in the English language "The Sky is falling" has become a phrase that people use to make fun of irrational or hysterical beliefs about possible dangers.

...added later.

Wiki:

Chicken Little, is a folk tale with a moral in the form of a cumulative tale about a chicken who believes the world is coming to an end. The phrase "The sky is falling!" features prominently in the story, and has passed into the English language as a common idiom indicating a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. Versions of the story go back more than 25 centuries and it continues to be referenced in a variety of media.

("idiom" what a great descriptive word, wish I had thought of that)

Traditional:
Chicken Little likes to walk in the woods. She likes to look at the trees. She likes to smell the flowers. She likes to listen to the birds singing.
One day while she is walking an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head.
My, oh, my, the sky is falling. I must run and tell the lion about it, - says Chicken Little and begins to run.

(old but still good)

1940s
Chicken Little: Listen to me, everybody! I'm your new leader! I'm gonna save your lives! I'm gonna tell you what to do!
Cocky Locky: Don't listen to that pipsqueak. The sky isn't falling.
Chicken Little: I tell ya it is too falling!
Cocky Locky: And I tell you it isn't.
Chicken Little: Is too!
Cocky Locky: All right, if the sky is falling why doesn't it hit me in the head?
[Foxy Loxy hits Cocky Locky with a piece of wood]
Narrator: Hey, wait a minute! This isn't right. That's not the way it ends in my book.
Foxy Loxy: Oh, yeah? Don't believe everything you read, brother!

(Don't believe everything you read..... indeed!!)

2003:
Rumsfeld: Let me say one other thing. The images you are seeing on television you are seeing over, and over, and over, and it's the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase, and you see it 20 times, and you think, "My goodness, were there that many vases?" (Laughter.)

Q: Do you think that the words "anarchy" and "lawlessness" are ill-chosen?

Rumsfeld: Absolutely. I picked up a newspaper today and I couldn't believe it. I read eight headlines that talked about chaos, violence, unrest. And it just was Henny Penny -- "The sky is falling." I've never seen anything like it! And here is a country that's being liberated, here are people who are going from being repressed and held under the thumb of a vicious dictator, and they're free. And all this newspaper could do, with eight or 10 headlines, they showed a man bleeding, a civilian, who they claimed we had shot -- one thing after another. It's just unbelievable how people can take that away from what is happening in that country!

(I wouldn't say Rumsfeld is talking about the end of the world there. He's instead stated (with condescension) that reporters were being hysterical, or mistaken, when they talked about the then potential problems in Iraq. They questioned whether a disastrous breakdown of social order was imminent, as displayed by rioting and looting, and Rumsfeld in response confidently made fun of what he saw as their irrational beliefs)

I have proof that the radiation is having a negative effect on local fishing.

Is there any way to use that radiation to our benefit, if we could collect it, harness it, run our FF's off it? :luxhello:

Yes there is, but you would need a sky hook.

Jim, now your just showing off your superior grasp of what you read. We've both wasted enough time here, it's time to :reeling:

Now lets all hold hands and sing a song

I did some research....


I found that increased levels of radiation will cause:

1. Grown men to behave like junior high girls.

2. Internet posts to be way, way too long.

3. Erectile dysfunction.



Quit eating the crappy fish!:D

Stay out of Malibu!!!

Yep I always quote Chicken Little when I want to impress people.

This is why I stay out of Malibu.

Voice of experience? I eat plenty of tuna, and have had no issues whatsoever. Maybe it's a quality not a quantity issue. :D