ITS DUCK SEASON. I hunt ducks outa my yak. Sorry no pics or gps numbers

More good stuff... :cheers1:

It is good that this is being discussed, in a healthy and respectful way, so we all can better understand each other's perspective. You will NOT feel the same about public fishing forum if you're out there OTW (on-the-water, for those of you who wonder :)) a couple of times a week, once a month, or once in a blue moon... Fishing guide, hard core or recreational angler, or a guy who is fishing for living WILL NOT have the same feeling on this subject...

But you have to realize that public forum is still a great place to learn, great place to share your experience, and learn from other people's feedback... It's a place where you can make friends for life! I know I've made many, and I will be the first one to tell you that I learned a ton from it! And not only about fishing! :D

For the most part, you can kind of get to know the person behind the keyboard based on their posts. We all are who we are, offline or online. The important part about BWE is it IS a SoCal kayak fishing community gathering place, one of. Knowing how hard it is to rally people around any common cause, we have to nurture it. It comes in handy to all of us - it has in the past, I am sure it will in the future.

Not to mention the entertaining factor... :D

And yes, like lots of other subjects, this one has popped up at least 4-5 times that I recall over the years.

Neill...
You've come a long way.
Just in case you've overlooked it, here is a link to the same discussion back 5.5 years ago, lil' before you got BWE account. I am stoked to see BWE still going strong!

Many of the core BWE gang that you hardly ever hear from these days chipped in on it on this thread, so it's worth reading for the new folks. Besides, it's got Todd's legendary "Evolution Of Kayak Fishermen" theses, that is so very true for so many of us.... 0

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ayak+fisherman

And BTW, Team Sewer, FYI - Todd (C-Level) was that boater that one crazy halibut bite day who was watching you guys pull one flat kind after another right by his boat on anchor... where he smiled, congratulated, and celebrated with you (yes, they had like 8 on ice as well)... Not yelled "YOU ARE TOO CLOSE!!!" like 90% of SoCal boaters would... :) Once a kayak fisherman, always a kayak fisherman.

Another plug for Todd - awesome read for anyone wanting to know more about halibut fishing from Jim's site

http://kayak4fish.com/press/Halibut0405.shtml

That's a C-Level classic, but I thought you implied we'd see posts from the old guard. I guess some of us are really, really old timers. Those names date from BWE generation 2 or 3. Still fun to see.

Thank God our name rhymes with lure and not sewish because we would never do such a thing.:D

I'm with Tony on this one, if I had to post a thread everytime I went out fishing most of you would be disappointed:(

However, I did manage to come home with enough macs to cover my hooping sessions for the rest of the season

You've got to go to yakfishing.com for the old old guard Paul... :D

Keep in mind - BWE dates back prior to what you see on the oldest posts here, to 2002... remember, we got hacked way back and they nuked the database... And there was no backup :eek:... No, I was not in charge of backups at the time :D

We've got yakfishing.com forum backup - we'll bring it online soon. If nothign else, just for the kicks. :D

Wow, web 1.0 right there. Yakfishing.com should be in a museum. I'll study it too, if it goes back far enough. It's a kayak fishing time capsule. Thanks Adi!

Lots of great input from everyone.

My personal thought on the subject of fish reports.

If you want an up to date fish report GO FISHING! Get out on the water and make friends!
You want to know where I caught fish the day before? Then meet me at the launch at 5 am, say hello and introduce yourself. I'll be more than happy to paddle out with you and show you where and how I was successful the day before.

I don't usually post timely fish reports on BWE for the following reasons.

1. If you were really interested in catching fish you would be on the water regularly and therefore wouldn't need a report.

2. From putting my time in otw (a lot of time) I've met some really cool people and we share information because we all know that each of us works hard to find the fish. I don't think it would be fair to share info that was given to me from someone else's hard work. If you want a report than deserve a report, Help other people and make friends! Kayak fishing isn't Obama Care or Welfare... you don't get rewarded for doing nothing.

3. I get skunked more times in a month then most people on BWE fish in a year so frankly I feel that I deserve to enjoy those days when the fish are jumping in my kayak more than someone who only blows the dust off of their kayak when it's sunny with no swell and 79 degrees out.

4. Why in the hell would I post a great day on the water for all of the power boaters to read? If you don't know why that's a bad thing then your not on the water enough.

5. There are no fish in La Jolla. :D

I'm not trying to sound like a dick it's just how I honestly feel and I think a lot of other anglers feel the same way. Is it really that hard to understand?

I've been fishing less by myself these days because of BWE. Fishing alone or with a buddy has always been my preference for years.There's just nothing like putting in the time and figuring stuff out whether alone or with a great friend. Like anywhere, there's a mixed crowd in the yak world. Some throw you stink eye...cool. Some are friendly, chat then go their own way...cool. Some are connected to groups...can be very, very cool.

Hanging with the Sewer team or the Lollipop crew isn't like were all tight with each other all the time and that's it. We've all got our own worlds we're living in. Family's, jobs, blah, blah, blah. Guys move in and out as they prefer or as their schedules allow. Yeah, there are text's between ourselves outside of the BWE forum, especially if there's a bite going on :cool: but more than half the time it's not about yak fishing at all. I think those who try to disparage a Team Sewer or Lollipop might be missing out...;)

BWE lurkers...:the_finger:
Fresh reports so the rest of us can take a break and enjoy your day...:notworthy:
Posting photos of big fish and not giving out too much info...:D
Tournaments and extreme competition, not my thing...:spam:
BWE...:cheers1:
Jim

Post a report or don't post a report no one should feel that they have to, or feel bad if they have. I fully understand that there is usually a delay on many of the big fish reports for protection of the bite that may be going on and again that is fully the right of those posting.

Is there anything wrong with any of that? No.

As others have mentioned the newby reports that happen about your first 20 times out of the same 12 to 18 inch sandy, spotty, or what have you does get boring after times. Now, reports that have photos, and videos are more interesting to check out, but again if you are expecting to get GPS readings, and locations out of the posts, you're crazy. Nothing personal to that, but it's just how people roll.

I think we all can agree that we love this sport of Kayak fishing and we all love to pop in and check things out see who's doing what, and go on about our lives. I've learned a lot from many of the vets on this site, and one of the biggest things I've learned is sometimes it's better to not be heard and to learn to let things roll off your back. Don't take things too personal.

Great site, great group of guys, and I look forward to seeing you all out on the water.

I like to think I single handedly ruined Kayak fishing, at least that's what the Malibu tough guys told me. I'd post reports but then someone would have to kill me :D

B.S. aside.... times change. I can't think of a single board that has the participation levels it had half a decade ago. Look at Allcoast or even BD. Actually this is the only board where I still still see a solid level of quality participation.

I think the Golden age of fishing reports is pretty much gone. People over time relized that if you posted too much bite info online it just lead to too many people fishing your favorite spots. I still put up a report now and then but only when I feel that it wont have a negative impact on the local fishing.

I think reports should encourage others to go fish in general, not give them specifics like when, where, or things like "GO THERE NOW!!! every time someone catches a fish.

there you go
 

guys attacking each other again , pointing the finger at the sewer . come on . and you wonder why nobody wants to post . great topic with lots of feedback . i will stay out of this since , i am the new guy .

If anyone has a complaint about Team Sewer please contact Stinkymatt, he handles our complaint department.

I complain so much to Matt, all he does is say.. .

TODAY IS GOING TO BE THE BEST FISHING DAY EVER......

have a i heard that one a dozen times.

StinkyMatt...there you go...he's proof that you don't have to be a great fisherman to be a part of a group...

Matt IS very good at getting Sewer's "proven producers" to fork over their lobsters and cheesecakes so he and other outsiders can enjoy them...:D

So Stinky makes the big bucks cause he can handle the Sewer? You guys keep on hanging in there! And please keep posting the good times.

Remember Matt is the ELITE fishermen of the groug...heheh hohoho omg and the other guy that hangs with the sewer crew he's a three time three time three time world champion in what ask ful rac.. best part of all of this is its friday and tomorowow some of us lucky ones will be fishing and not wondering who,what,when or were to fish...

So boys what time are we headed out?

Even the Three Stoogies had a leader.... Moe...:D
:cool:

Wide open bites
 

I see many of you guys from down here have seen the overcrowding explode due to internet exposure, and are doing your best to curb the damage, and I salute you for that.Like Pal said;there just isnt a lot of very productive spots left anymore due to the closures,and the ones that are good get crowded very quickly.My question is,Why do some of you guys feel it is alright to blow up a bite any way,with total disregaurd for the locals?Is it because,you think your doing the lazy man a favor just sitting on his couch?and you will be a hero for it?or is it because you live hours away, you got your fish and wont be back till next year,or ,maybe you had a personal problem with someone and your on a quest to send everyone to crowd that spot? whatever the reason I see most of you say one thing about your secret bite then go expose another,So,what is your determining factor,shut up about this one bite then go expose the other bite?

that is really negative...

positive note.... People like to share :D

If I was a mod I know What I'd be doing right about now.

bites
 

Nothing negative about it at all,just wondering what motivates people to go silent about one bite but not another and obviously people dont like to share,or there would be a lot more posting,,maybe you can understand that now,but I doubt it

Sure some people like to share, come and join one of our Baja or Bust trips, and see what sharing is all about. EVERYONE is welcome.

I think people are misconstrued as what constitutes a "Bite"

The stray Yellow Tail which get picked up here and there and make it to the forums isn't a "bite." There are YT in La Jolla all year long and they're bound to get caught between wide open bites.

A "bite" means load up your cooler with ice, make room in your freezer and bring one rod because that's all you're going to need to leave with limits. We had a few like that this year and to be honest most of them were kept on the hush within a very small circle.

Often times, when the squid bites blow up in LJ isn't because it gets posted on the internet. It's mainly because you can't launch from the shores and NOT paddle past the boats and kayaks sitting on the squid grounds. Most of the time people stop and say

"Uhhh Hey....whats going on in here."

They didn't even know squid existed. I didn't my first time I fished there.
Next day, they come back with squid jigs and dropper loops. They call their new buddies they just met, tell them and then post it on the web because they're super stoked. Usually someone will nudge that lucky angler to keep from posting on the internet for a few days to keep the pressure off.

The WSB came through LJ in the Spring and for four days there was only two skiffs, three kayaks, a few divers and one PB on that bite then it was over. It was limits for everyone but that bite never saw the web because all the guys out there knew the impact it would have on the fishery. A few weeks later, most of us posted our stories and our fish.

There's always that occasional "Well the Cats out of the bag" post when someone decides to blow up a bite under the assumption it's already known and usually that's true.

Policing other individuals right to post is not only constitutionally wrong but just a dickish thing to do. The best this would be to educate and encourage those who wish to post to use discretion when and what information they post. Not because it protects the locals, or the guys who work hard to find the fish themselves... but because if they want LJ to stay open and they care to see home guards here year after year they will be mindful of the impact 200+ baited lines in the water will do the population. No need to bully people in a corner and threaten them if they post.

It's very important for new guys to make small circles of friends like Lollipop, Sewer, RedSled, TackticalCrew, Jurassic..... not saying they need to make team names and all that nonsense, just get a small group of like minded individuals who want to excel at this sport and can help eachother out without relying on the internet to put fish in their laps.

That's my .02 :bigear:

bites
 

Well said.

What's considered a local?

If a local invites me to a wide open bite and then goes and post up a report of all the fish we caught the next day does that make it OK?

We fished LJ a few months ago, everyone was crowded in an area south of me, I was literally fishing alone away from the crowds. I had a double YT hook up and when I landed one of the two YT everyone came my way. Should I have kicked them out of my spot or moved away and let the 'locals' have it?

I could care less how it comes to you but do you literally find your own hot bite Or does someone tell you about it?

Why do some feel the need to share a bite? Because they can.

How many 'hot bites' have there been up and down the coast(SD to Ventura) this year? How many of those were posted on BWE? I know of one local bite that went on for at least two weeks, not a word was posted on BWE or Bloodydecks but the area was as crowded as Walmart on Black Friday. Gee, I wondered how they all found out about it.


You don't need to post a hot bite or a any bite on any website. All you need to do is make a phone call or send a text. I posted these numbers once before but I'll do it again.

4 yakkers text 4 yakkers about a hote bite
4 yakkers each text another 4 yakkers (16 yakkers now know about the bite)
16 kayakers each text another 4 yakkers(64 yakkers now know about the bite)
256 yakkers each text another 4 yakkers(256 yakkers now know about the bite)

you see where this is going?

1024 kayakers?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


I love this place!

This place loves you too. However, your math is off.

If 4 know, and tell 4 people. 16 NEW yakkers know, plus the 4 that told them. So, 20 know about the bite.

Those 16 NEW tell 4 each, so now 64 NEW Kayakers know, plus the original 16+4 so we are at 84.
Those 64 NEW tell 4 more people each, so 320 NEW people now know, plus the original 84. So 404...

If we're going to put it on the internet let's at least make it accurate :cool: <3

Darn, we sure do have a lot of yakers out here, it's a wonder there are any fish left.

If 1 tells 4 its 1 + 4 = 5
if 5 tell 4 each its 5 x 4 = 20 + 5 = 25
if 25 tell 4 each its 25 x 4 = 100 + 25 = 125
if 125 tell 4 each its 125 x 4 = 500 + 125 = 625

That's a linear equation. Your first example was exponential.

Thanks for clearing that up professor!

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I love you

Now can we get back to the meat of this thread?
Get off my fish everyone. I claim them as my own

Some of us are just to damn old anymore. Hell, Its getting hard to remember my pass word. :)

xxxx, OR WAS IT XXXXX? Now I remember it was Baja or Bust!

X3 What wiredantz and PAL said.

Sometimes it feels like we're the only ones posting a timely report (within 1-3 days) anymore even when we don't score.
The degree to which we post has gone down due to personal factors that have seen us go only 4 times in the last year and a half and that was within these last 3 months. 3 out of 4 trips were reported we believe.

We agree with wiredantz and PAL on the main issues they pointed out, especially the code groups. Think about it, there are some top notch guides who do get people on fish. If reports were posted right away by the guides or customers, when they scored all of those yellows and whites it could only hurt their business for the next few days, as every PBer and kayaker would hit the water and take over the area. The customers still post, but from what we've seen typically it's well after a bite, weeks and months at times. Sure, they'll give kudos to their guide, but it sure doesn't help another kayaker out.

We go when we can go, and we almost always post a detailed report ASAP, without leaving anything out. Sure, it would be great to know that a bite's going on, just don't count on finding one a SoCal kayak fishing website.

We could give a flying Wallenda why others have their reasons for not posting timely reports. But if you see one from us, you might give the lengthy report a glance that it might help you soon after ;)

Well said :luxhello::luxhello::luxhello::luxhello::luxhello: :luxhello: