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William Novotny 05-14-2014 03:49 PM

I just realized I probably looked very similar to my avatar yesterday

Ojos_raros 05-14-2014 04:28 PM

That happened to me once. I striped down, jumped into the water, plugged it up and spent the next hour bailing water. I was bummed missing that fishin time!

YakMedic 05-14-2014 05:50 PM

Damn Will, your have a rough couple weeks! I see a big fat fish in your future. Glad it turned out well and thanks for sharing your experience many people reading this will be able to learn from your incident including myself.:cheers1:

SoCalCJ 05-14-2014 09:46 PM

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Glad to hear your ok and thank you for sharing you experience.

Here's my personal favorite bilge pump, I think it's $12 bucks @ Walmart!

alanw 05-14-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalCJ (Post 194240)
Glad to hear your ok and thank you for sharing you experience.

Here's my personal favorite bilge pump, I think it's $12 bucks @ Walmart!


I don't really like depending on a plastic bilge pump as it is, so there is no way I'd trust a kids toy to not fail in an emergency.

WildernessWanker 05-15-2014 05:37 AM

I know it's been mentioned already, but as a reminder the bilge pumps developed for use in marine settings typically pump water on both the inward and outward stroke of the handle. So yeah a squirt gun "may" do the job, spend a little more on an actual hand bilge and it'll do the job exponentially quicker.

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ful-rac 05-15-2014 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WildernessWanker (Post 194253)
I know it's been mentioned already, but as a reminder the bilge pumps developed for use in marine settings typically pump water on both the inward and outward stroke of the handle. So yeah a squirt gun "may" do the job, spend a little more on an actual hand bilge and it'll do the job exponentially quicker.

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Ok...Let's not beat around the bush here. Using a squirt gun for a bilge pump is just outright stupid! No explanation needed.

wiredantz 05-15-2014 07:07 AM

:vroam: Tosses squirt gun away, while no one is looking.

Gigafish 05-15-2014 07:08 AM

:D g1

WildernessWanker 05-15-2014 07:36 AM

Studies have shown that people don't like being called "stupid" or "morons." They have to be treated like fawns, gently and compassionately but for those that aren't delicate......Don't be stupid and use a squirt gun, because unless you're in the middle of a water-fight you'll just look foolish playing around while your yak is full of water! Anyone ever hear about a kayak being swamped then emptied with a squirt gun.....if you have I'd love to know about it because I'm guessing it's never happened.

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wiredantz 05-15-2014 08:03 AM

:gnorsi: Tosses Super soaker overboard.

WildernessWanker 05-15-2014 08:23 AM

Based on the claims of some and the hardware they carry, there's reason to believe that the outcome of events such as the Titanic could have been influenced differently if Super Soaker had the market-share they do now?! Find that hard to believe but maybe I'm missing something.....oh yeah, they should have also packed the hull with pool noodles! I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something so I checked West Marine but was unable to find any squirt guns, Super Soakers, or foam pool toys so maybe just stick with equipment developed for marine use.

bwana 05-15-2014 08:23 AM

This is serious shit...
 
The life saving advice and experiences given by all of you are invaluable. THANK YOU.

I thought I was doing all the right things.

After reading this weeks near tragedies I realize I do one thing completely wrong,
and it is probably the most important: 95% of the time I fish by myself.

Several times this year I was glad to be back inside the harbor after a tough paddle in.

wiredantz 05-15-2014 08:32 AM

Gear list
 
Here a list I use- (thanks Ryan)

Gear List for Kayak fishing the 1st section is mainly safety gear and should be considered mandatory.
PDF
VHF
Compass
Sunblock
Whistle
Safety box
1st aid
Signaling device
Waterproof matches
Spare whistle and compass
Extra sunscreen
Emergency blanket (can be doubled as a large signaling device.)
Small pouch of water/spare food
Small multi tool
Marine goop
Headlight, strobe light
Protective clothing
Wetsuit
Breathable waders
Paddle jackets
Hats
Booties
Bilge pump and sponge
Bowline (10-20ft)
Water, Water, Water
Food
Fishing Gear
Fishing Rods and Reels
Assorted tackle
Tools
Pliers
Fish gripper
Measuring device
Electronics
Fishfinder
GPS
Dry bags
Seat
Paddle and leash
Kayak Cart

SoCalCJ 05-15-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac (Post 194262)
Ok...Let's not beat around the bush here. Using a squirt gun for a bilge pump is just outright stupid! No explanation needed.

Your absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I! I'm not saying it should be your one and only water removal device. It absolutely more effective than nothing at all. I think everyone understand the importance of redundancy and having multiple pieces of emergency equipment on board. I personally like it as an option, especially if I need extra long reach to the stern.

Heck REI even markets them as bilge pumps:
http://www.rei.com/product/859831/st...water-launcher

ful-rac 05-15-2014 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalCJ (Post 194291)
Your absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I! I'm not saying it should be your one and only water removal device. It absolutely more effective than nothing at all. I think everyone understand the importance of redundancy and having multiple pieces of emergency equipment on board. I personally like it as an option, especially if I need extra long reach to the stern.

Heck REI even markets them as bilge pumps:
http://www.rei.com/product/859831/st...water-launcher

I take it your a water gun user. Yes your right, better than nothing, but using it as your primary way to remove water from your kayak in an emergency situation....is like I said..no offense but stupid. Using the watergun for small amounts of water is just fine, and I'm not arguing that it wont' pump water... If your watergun is the only device you use to quickly remove large amounts of water in your hull...you should re-evaluate it.

Even with the "correct" pump it's going to be difficult to pump out all the water quickly. With the water gun....like I said I shouldn't have to explain why it's a bad idea...

kareem korn 05-15-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wiredantz (Post 194279)
Here a list I use- (thanks Ryan)

Gear List for Kayak fishing the 1st section is mainly safety gear and should be considered mandatory.
PDF
VHF
Compass
Sunblock
Whistle
Safety box
1st aid
Signaling device
Waterproof matches
Spare whistle and compass
Extra sunscreen
Emergency blanket (can be doubled as a large signaling device.)
Small pouch of water/spare food
Small multi tool
Marine goop
Headlight, strobe light
Protective clothing
Wetsuit
Breathable waders
Paddle jackets
Hats
Booties
Bilge pump and sponge
Bowline (10-20ft)
Water, Water, Water
Food
Fishing Gear
Fishing Rods and Reels
Assorted tackle
Tools
Pliers
Fish gripper
Measuring device
Electronics
Fishfinder
GPS
Dry bags
Seat
Paddle and leash
Kayak Cart

Various sizes of Redwood plugs.

Raskal311 05-15-2014 11:26 AM

Isn't a proper pump about the same Price.

theluckypig 05-15-2014 12:03 PM

plus, maybe pool noodles in the hull...

driftwood 05-15-2014 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalCJ (Post 194291)
Your absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I! I'm not saying it should be your one and only water removal device. It absolutely more effective than nothing at all. I think everyone understand the importance of redundancy and having multiple pieces of emergency equipment on board. I personally like it as an option, especially if I need extra long reach to the stern.

Heck REI even markets them as bilge pumps:
http://www.rei.com/product/859831/st...water-launcher


I've been using the stream machine for years. works great! gets the water out real fast!

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ctfphoto 05-16-2014 03:03 PM

Why on earth did I read this post before I went out yesterday. I found myself sinking and I never touch my drain plug. Fun Day.

William Novotny 05-16-2014 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ctfphoto (Post 194546)
Why on earth did I read this post before I went out yesterday. I found myself sinking and I never touch my drain plug. Fun Day.

What weighs more, a yak full of water or a yak full of fish?

ctfphoto 05-16-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by William Novotny (Post 194551)
What weighs more, a yak full of water or a yak full of fish?

Well I had about 30 pounds of water and about 30 pounds of (one) fish so I can't answer that question :D

William Novotny 05-16-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ctfphoto (Post 194554)
Well I had about 30 pounds of water and about 30 pounds of (one) fish so I can't answer that question :D

Throw ice in there and you've got the first kayak cold brine slurry tank

ctfphoto 05-17-2014 02:27 PM

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Yeapers, a very small hole on the rear where I was sinking. I use a very large towel to soak up the water and then wring it out. Repeat over and over again. It actually works really well and the soaked towel works great to keep the catch wet and cool.

How do I repair this? I saw plastic welder at the hardware shop, is this the best way for a very small hole? I plan on keeping a couple layers of high grade black duct tale over the area and replace when needed.

How I got the hole, very simple .... I like to lobster hoop net and for that I usually use a grader launch ramp.

PAL 05-18-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wiredantz (Post 194120)
This brings a questions to mind: Anyone know how long hand pumps are good for? Last you thing you want is for your hand pump to break on you when you really need it. I remember reading a post a while back where he got filled with water, and he started pumping water so fast, it broke.

I'd carried a hand pump for a couple of years. When I finally needed it, I got three draws out of it before the handle and pump shaft pulled out of tube, rendering it useless. The manufacturer had affixed it with some type of light metal crimp, probably aluminum. Not cool.

PAL 05-18-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 194142)
The dangerous irony with these situations is that instinct tells most people to stay on their yak when the smart thing may be to jump in the water. If you have taken on a noticeable amount of water in less than flat conditions. And it has made your yak unstable or very low to the water line. You should probably not open a hatch to pump the water out without getting off. Getting off does several good things for you. It makes your yak more stable by lowering its center of gravity. It raises it in the water line (hopefully above the chop). It allows you to access parts of your yak that you may not be able to reach atop it. And it allows you to position your body to block the swell/chop from washing into the hatch you are pumping out of. Complacency is probably the most dangerous thing for us kayakers. I am guilty of it big time. But having a plan for what to do when the stuff hits the fan can help greatly.


It was windy, right? Few of us can swim quickly enough to catch up to a wind-blown 'yak. Just something to consider. A paddle leash or game clip can double as a safety tether in extreme situations (yes, entanglement hazard).

William Novotny 05-18-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PAL (Post 194701)
It was windy, right? Few of us can swim quickly enough to catch up to a wind-blown 'yak. Just something to consider. A paddle leash or game clip can double as a safety tether in extreme situations (yes, entanglement hazard).

You make a very valid point. The way the wind current was ripping around the point, the kayak was drifting at a rate faster theni can paddle. I would not have liked trying to swim after it

bigbarrels 05-20-2014 01:04 AM

Wow, glad you made out alright . A private boater saved my ass once

GregAndrew 05-20-2014 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAL (Post 194701)
It was windy, right? Few of us can swim quickly enough to catch up to a wind-blown 'yak. Just something to consider. A paddle leash or game clip can double as a safety tether in extreme situations (yes, entanglement hazard).


Sliding or hoping (as the need may be) off to the down-wind side and holding on to a leashed paddle or game clip are good points. Also keeping a good grip on your yak as you maneuver around it is very important in windy conditions. Also remember to fix or slow leaks first (if you can), then work on the bailing of water.

bluesquids 05-21-2014 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 194898)
Also remember to fix or slow leaks first (if you can), then work on the bailing of water.

There's a Product called "Stay Afloat" made to temporary fill cracks and holes.
Also, toilet bowl seals will serve the same purpose for about $2.00
http://www.westmarine.com/polyester-...14oz--11142122

momo fish 05-21-2014 06:07 AM

Saw this at Home Depot and looks perfect for pumping water out while your outside the kayak.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/21/ma7u5udu.jpg

YakDout 05-21-2014 06:12 AM

4 strokes transfers a gallon? Sounds like my first girlfriend.


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Old Man in the Sea 05-21-2014 08:08 AM

bigger picture
 
Wiredantz - can you please post an increased the size of your crash pics....:D:D:D

svendawg 05-24-2014 07:48 AM

Test your hand pumps
 
I test my hand pump just about every time I wash my kayak. I usually give my kayak a good spraying inside the hull when cleaning, with the bow down. When I have finished washing the yak I use the hand pump to suck the water out (usually a gallon or two)
By doing this I know the pump is it good shape. Try it you'll be surprised how good it works.


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