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momo fish 06-11-2014 04:33 PM

Somehow not surprised by response.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ful-rac (Post 197334)
There's some WSB and squid beds off of Izor's . If you can paddle out there make squid and catch fish....you earned it!


momo fish 06-11-2014 04:37 PM

Thanks! Not sure what this area is but that's good info.

Squid out in Malibu does not seem to be happening and squid boats would come and spend a night and bail in morning. Seen them try a few different areas and when talking to them seems to be the same thing. Too small and very little right now.


Quote:

Originally Posted by rossman (Post 197337)
I was on one of the beds yesterday and if you took away the 15 private boats, they are still very obvious. Keep an eye out for the Shearwaters which are sea birds about the size of a gull. They look very dark when flying but tan or brown sitting on the water. Gulls are also attracted to the beds but pelican's have very little interest in squid. Add a couple sea lions and you know you're in the right place. Hundreds of private boaters passed right over the spot that Greg found to get to another publicized spot. Greg is definitely the star here but time on the water is the secret.

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momo fish 06-11-2014 04:48 PM

One more comment about this topic since it came up. If you read the kayak forums up north it will be day and night difference. Everyone shares and more info seems to be shared with strangers. I posted something a while back under a different name when I made a trip up the coast and besides reading many helpful reports many offered to show me around and even lend me their kayaks so I didn't have to rent.

I have met great guys on here and always offer the same in return but seems most of the times you PM someone a question for tips and you get zero response. I know many feel the same as I do because I hear it everytime I meet a fellow BWE member but won't speak up as they would get flamed by a few more vocal responders. I sure hope you can prove me wrong and make this a better community for all.

Old Man in the Sea 06-11-2014 05:12 PM

Excellent job!!!
 
Great post and video Greg - ignore the haters :wsb::wsb::wsb::wsb:

jorluivil 06-11-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momo fish (Post 197384)
I agree with you about going out there and fishing. The assumptions being made is that others don't and just rely on others or reports. I fish 2-3 times a week these days and for 6 to 12 hours at a time. I fish mostly one area cause I don't know many guys and frankly don't know many areas yet which is why I am on this forum.

I'm sure Greg is a great guy and this is not anything specifically towards him but in general as from what I hear from multiple guys this used to be a more share friendly community. I hope you veterans can think back to when you started how much you appreciated the good reports that you took something away from and improved your game.

I have my own pains which is 3 years and no big fish yet you won't hear a peep out of me. Heck I even drowned twice and still go out the next day. But you know the day I catch # 1, 2 or number 60 I will post my report. If 30 kayakers decide to join me then cool. There is plenty of fish and doubt a small kayak community can cause more damage than the party boats do everyday.

In my humble opinion it's selfish to post a report but not want to share any any little info about it. Might as well not post and be a lurker the contribution is the same.

Most of us are not in some secret code group cause some can fish 90% more time than others but I would not dismiss the other 10% as really I'm sure they wish they could fish the 90% of the time.

And your right we do miss yakjoe.

I'll be the first to admit that I AM NOT a fishing veteran

However................

15 trips to LJ
200 miles round trip
up at 2am
home at 5pm
1 WSB

10 trips to Cabrillo
up at 4am
home at 4pm
1 barely legal halibut


Do you see the common denominator?

ful-rac 06-11-2014 05:31 PM

momofish I can guarantee you that complaining about not getting dope is not going to get you more dope, or any dope at all.

jorluivil 06-11-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorluivil (Post 197332)
Many of you don't know this but Greg fishes at least 4-5 times more than the rest of us

He fishes multiple days up and down the coast

He provides intel to a very small group, I mean really small. Fortunately, I am one of them

He has never asked for anything in return

When he's not fishing he spends hours looking at videos

He'll take you fishing and still buy you lunch

Rarely is he rewarded with fish

Yet day after day and week and week he's out there on the hunt


If you want to know where the fish are, get out there and find them. Don't sit back and wait for the information to fall on your lap because its not.

I forgot to add that Greg has a full time job :eek:

rossman 06-11-2014 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ful-rac (Post 197394)
momofish I can guarantee you that complaining about not getting dope is not going to get you more dope, or any dope at all.

Like

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momo fish 06-11-2014 05:55 PM

Tony this is not a complaint about getting dope. Dope to me is here is what I used, what specific area fish are at and what time of day they are biting.

I just asked general area so I don't drive up and down the coast on PCH with binoculars looking for boats and kayakers. I'm not asking anymore but will try to set an example. Many on here will attest to how much I try to help everyone I meet with whatever little knowledge I have and with little success I have. But I do know I am improving and learning especially after a few lost trophies recently.

I think veterans of the sport should try to help some of the newer guys with some info.
If your going to post to get the accolades then post some info to share with others so one day they can reach your level. There is some fear that other kayakers will steal the 2 fish quota that visit each day.

Btw if you ask in PM you don't get any either so makes no difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ful-rac (Post 197394)
momofish I can guarantee you that complaining about not getting dope is not going to get you more dope, or any dope at all.


momo fish 06-11-2014 06:00 PM

Jorge I agree trust me. But you see what you just did? You actually provided some info instead of leaving it to be a shot in the dark.

And btw after chatting with you, YOU are a fishing vet. Lol. I took away good info about cabrillo and halibut fishing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorluivil (Post 197392)
I'll be the first to admit that I AM NOT a fishing veteran

However................

15 trips to LJ
200 miles round trip
up at 2am
home at 5pm
1 WSB

10 trips to Cabrillo
up at 4am
home at 4pm
1 barely legal halibut


Do you see the common denominator?


YakDout 06-11-2014 06:52 PM

I can definitely tell that you've been in that situation a couple times..:wsb::wsb::wsb:

GregAndrew 06-12-2014 12:38 AM

Here is why i choose not to share certain bites with the general public. It has been my experience that not everyone has the interest of the fishery anywhere in their top 10 list. On the day i caught this fish, i saw a boater gaff, deck, measure and release a wsb when they already had their limit. I have also seen and heard of lots of instances of fishermen taking more than the legal limit. Also, wsb along with many other species with swim bladders, do not release as well as many other species. So, i tend to be choosy on who i relate infirmation to concerning less hearty fish. I generally will not give specific information concerning these bites to anyone i have not fished with, and come to respect their fishing practices. So you are certainly not going to see me blow up a secret bite of these fish in a public forum. The intent of this video was to show what maybe no one has seen before. The rest was just filler. Take it for the information that you can extract from it, not what you think the intent might have been. That is the reason i did not post it in the fishing reports section.

addicted2sp33d 06-12-2014 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorluivil (Post 197395)
I forgot to add that Greg has a full time job :eek:

Wow - combine this with all his time on the water, all his fish, and his video production... I think I have a man-crush :o.

ful-rac 06-12-2014 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addicted2sp33d (Post 197442)
Wow - combine this with all his time on the water, all his fish, and his video production... I think I have a man-crush :o.

Expressing your undying love for greg will not get you any dope either....

I think? :confused::D

addicted2sp33d 06-12-2014 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ful-rac (Post 197445)
Expressing your undying love for greg will not get you any dope either....

I think? :confused::D

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...3460fceeb4.jpg

kayakfisherman 06-12-2014 07:55 AM

Here's my two cents for Momo Fish and anyone else who isn't on top of things as much as they would like.

There's no secret society. It's just networking with friends. That's all.
The way you make friends is entirely up to you. Sometimes a casusal
chat on the beach, sometimes handing over live squid to someone in their time of need. Sometimes, it's the deckhand you turned on to kayakfishing.

And these friendships are golden.

These friendships take time. It's give alittle, take alittle. Don't be annoying and talk about who you are and what you've done in the distant past on the boards, whether it's facebook or BWE. I'll gaurantee no one will respond,
or just give you vague info.

Momo you'll do just fine. In the mean time, use your resources. Instead of driving up and down the coast, use your phone and call some tackle shops (that you buy from, hint hint) and ask them "where are the squid biting" Good Luck.

alanw 06-12-2014 08:34 AM

Most kayak fishers I've met on the water don't even know what a BWE is, so I think most of the good current intel would never make it here anyway.

ful-rac 06-12-2014 08:43 AM

Yeah momo, you'll do just fine out there. You fish county 2-3 times every week...you'll get yours.

DanaPT 06-12-2014 09:11 AM

Nice Video. Great style, I don't think those glasses budged in that fight. Not even a splash of water.

Plenty of good info in this post. I liked Deamon's advice... Same thing the Jig Stop said to do. Rossman, your "what to look for" OTW is great too.


those tankers are moving. If anyone in the OC wants to chase'em let me know.

William Novotny 06-12-2014 09:16 AM

I think I found the info people are looking for. It's only $169 per year.

http://www.fishdope.com/

jorluivil 06-12-2014 09:27 AM

Looking for fish dope on the internet is like trying to diagnose your illness using webmd

If you want to know where the fish are, go out and find them

If you want to know why you can't get rid of that rash, go see the doctor

bwana 06-12-2014 10:43 AM

Greg,

Fantastic video, thank you for sharing. I have watched it multiple times.

It is great to see a WSB free swimming and breezing through bait.

That is one tough rod you have.

The bloody water ending was a nice touch. I half expected to see an open mouth emerge from the depths.

Look forward to your next one,
Mike

momo fish 06-12-2014 02:27 PM

Thanks for the info. I do already practice what you mention below but was also trying to use this board as a resource as well. Funny when I started kayaking people at the tackle shop would say to try web boards for good info. There has been some great reports but they are few and far between. Guess the moral of the story is don't ask and don't share anything that could help others in fear they will come poach or catch all the fish. Amazing.

My original question was innocent and just looking for general info before friends of friends started piling on while already benefiting from the same useful info about how dare I ask such a question.

I just don't think claiming to be concerned about a specie while fishing for it day in and out is logical. Assuming the rest don't care is also not logical. I volunteer every week at the WSB pens and educate others I meet about sizes and limits. But hey make assumptions.

Me, I will continue to offer any info to guys I meet, post when I finally get something worth a gaff and help newbies out as I haven't forgotten yet that I used to be one.

Thanks Yanni. Hope to see you on the water in a few weeks when in down there.


Quote:

Originally Posted by kayakfisherman (Post 197450)
Here's my two cents for Momo Fish and anyone else who isn't on top of things as much as they would like.



There's no secret society. It's just networking with friends. That's all.

The way you make friends is entirely up to you. Sometimes a casusal

chat on the beach, sometimes handing over live squid to someone in their time of need. Sometimes, it's the deckhand you turned on to kayakfishing.



And these friendships are golden.



These friendships take time. It's give alittle, take alittle. Don't be annoying and talk about who you are and what you've done in the distant past on the boards, whether it's facebook or BWE. I'll gaurantee no one will respond,

or just give you vague info.



Momo you'll do just fine. In the mean time, use your resources. Instead of driving up and down the coast, use your phone and call some tackle shops (that you buy from, hint hint) and ask them "where are the squid biting" Good Luck.


wiredantz 06-12-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momo fish (Post 197498)
Thanks for the info. I do already practice what you mention below but was also trying to use this board as a resource as well. Funny when I started kayaking people at the tackle shop would say to try web boards for good info. There has been some great reports but they are few and far between. Guess the moral of the story is don't ask and don't share anything that could help others in fear they will come poach or catch all the fish. Amazing.

My original question was innocent and just looking for general info before friends of friends started piling on while already benefiting from the same useful info about how dare I ask such a question.

I just don't think claiming to be concerned about a specie while fishing for it day in and out is logical. Assuming the rest don't care is also not logical. I volunteer every week at the WSB pens and educate others I meet about sizes and limits. But hey make assumptions.

Me, I will continue to offer any info to guys I meet, post when I finally get something worth a gaff and help newbies out as I haven't forgotten yet that I used to be one.

Thanks Yanni. Hope to see you on the water in a few weeks when in down there.


Some of these people were in your shoes a few years ago:

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ght=read+lines

Hunters Pa 06-12-2014 02:54 PM

Momo, don't take it personal. problem is there are tons of lurkers. post a ghost bite location and in the next day or two the whole PB fleet is there. Same thing happens with lobster honeyholes.

Thank you for working the grow out pens and doing your part.

Most of the people on here get on the water more in a month than I do all year. Every once in a while I get a nugget of info thrown my way, which I am grateful for. Yes, I would love to bring home more fish. But, for me at least, it is about spending time on the water and meeting people that I share the interest with that I would most likely never have otherwise crossed paths with.

I post info I can, and share what I think is worth sharing. This topic comes up every year or so and some people get understandably frustrated that they see pics of the prizes they pursue. I get it. Not going to say how long it has been since I boated a yellow. Yet to get my first kayak ghost. Flatties are hit-and-miss. If it happens with some shared intel, then so be it. But I am not going to count on someone doing the homework for me - and I am not saying you are asking for that.

Keep in touch with people you meet on the water. Share bait, sabikis, whatever. Share where you found a good bait ball of greenbacks fifteen minutes ago and were able to fill your tank.

You will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

ctfphoto 06-12-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiredantz (Post 197501)
Some of these people were in your shoes a few years ago:

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ght=read+lines

WOW, I just read that old thread and I posted as a newbie 3 years ago. What have I learned in three years....

In order of most important ..

Time on the water

Make friends and share fish reports with them

Research on this forum, there is a vast wealth of knowledge on this site.

Learn how to read between the lines on posts and be able to pick up key information. As an example, this thread has some really good information that I learned by just reading it.

Share knowledge with newbies ESPECIALLY the ones you meet ON The Water or at the launch site.

And by far the most important ...... Have FUN !!!!!!!!!!



Oh and Greg awesome video and a very nice tasty fish .....

momo fish 06-12-2014 04:52 PM

Had a good laugh after all of this when I picked up the mail and read this in WON. The headline is all the info I needed to start my search.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/vuzymega.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/eqate5a9.jpg

driftwood 06-12-2014 06:30 PM

Momo, I think you're finally getting it. Now go get them!! BTW, That bite has been going on for months. If you didn't know that by now then you're either living under a rock or not getting out enough.

DanaPT 06-12-2014 06:46 PM

that's funny!


no excuses go fish and come back with a report!

GregAndrew 06-13-2014 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momo fish (Post 197498)
Thanks for the info. I do already practice what you mention below but was also trying to use this board as a resource as well. Funny when I started kayaking people at the tackle shop would say to try web boards for good info. There has been some great reports but they are few and far between. Guess the moral of the story is don't ask and don't share anything that could help others in fear they will come poach or catch all the fish. Amazing.

My original question was innocent and just looking for general info before friends of friends started piling on while already benefiting from the same useful info about how dare I ask such a question.

I just don't think claiming to be concerned about a specie while fishing for it day in and out is logical. Assuming the rest don't care is also not logical. I volunteer every week at the WSB pens and educate others I meet about sizes and limits. But hey make assumptions.

Me, I will continue to offer any info to guys I meet, post when I finally get something worth a gaff and help newbies out as I haven't forgotten yet that I used to be one.

Thanks Yanni. Hope to see you on the water in a few weeks when in down there.

Maybe I did not make it clear to you, so let me address your response sentence by sentence.
You are welcome for the info as are all where I post it. That is great that you are a fisherman that respects the environment. This forum is a great resource of where and how to fish from a kayak. The tackle shops are right that sites like these are full of good information dealing with kayak fishing. Great reports are posted here, but one mans definition of great does not necessarily mean the same as anothers. People ask me questions all the time by PM. And I try to answer most of their questions to the best of my limited knowledge. I also answered the questions put to me by Aaron&Julie. If you don't think that anyone here has shared any knowledge, then why are you still here?

Many of the people you are referring to did not have the information from me but defended anyway?

Wow, if I fished for WSB every time I went out, the gun would have gone in my mouth long ago. Did I mention that I caught the fish on my Halibut rig? Here is another little tidbit of info for you. Big Halibut hang out around Squid nests too.

I think it is very honorable that you volunteer at the WSB pens. I myself spent all day, after working all night, releasing all the WSB from the pens at Redondo. The only assumption being made by me is that not everyone on this site is going to be as responsible as you might be. And anything I say on the open forum is going directly to the worst of them too.

Me, I will continue to do what I do and not bend to pressure of what others want me to do.

jorluivil 06-13-2014 08:53 AM

Damn Greg. .........that was awesome.

alanw 06-13-2014 08:57 AM

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