Wow this is getting REALLY GOOOD!!!!

And to think that I caught all of my fish without a guide at my side.

Lol


There you go. Instant expert. just hire a guide.

I have a lot respect towards Greg Andrew and big Tony. Both can easily be fishing guides. You're lucky you have them as friends. stop being such a pompous and give them some PROPS!

Anti guide sentiment? Now anyone who decides not to use a guide is a bad guy? Grow up. You're blowing this up for one reason and one reason only, you're a client of Josh. I have a mortgage payment, a college bill that will not be paid off for many years and I'm someone who prefers to do things on his own, if you have the money to hire him have fun with it. I understand why you stand by the guides and defend them, because you use their services, ain't nothing wrong with that. Do you know why I drink coca cola products? Because I work for them. Would it make any sense for me to bash them? Stop for a minute and understand that contrary to what you're saying my comments weren't meant to downplay anyone, I can assure you that Josh will not lose clients because of my comments, this whole thread is free publicity for him. Unfortunately, you've taken my comments and twisted them to make me and all of the other anti-guide people look like we're bashing someone, I don't care who uses him/them. I stand by what I said, its more rewarding when you do it yourself and if you think otherwise I could care less. If you want to pay someone to guide you around have fun with it.

You should come fish with use at Irvine Lake this weekend, maybe you care share all of that knowledge.

I have no clue who those guys are

Good night man....enough said. :boxing_smiley:

I guess it's easy to get up on a pedestal when someone gives you a ladder.
Now with that said you have to ask yourself... did I actually earn the right to sit up there and judge or did I just buy my seat?
Also, if you can hear me way up there I'd like to ask you a question. What do you think constitutes a "trophy" fish? Me personally, I think a "trophy" is any fish that I catch that I'm proud of regardless of how big it is and who is taking the picture.
Let's get something straight. I think guides are awesome. I wish I could make money while fishing and sharing the sport I love. Kevin, Josh, Jim, Wade etc. are pros. They have a knowledge and ability to fish like most of us want to fish.
Do you really think your on their level?
I'm not sure but I don't believe that you can actually buy membership into that club.
Ya gotta earn that "trophy" ego!
:cheers1:

X2

Irvine is gonna be FUN!!!!!! :luxhello:

Just to clarify one thing......
When I mentioned Jim in my last post I meant Jim Sammons not that Deamon guy cause that Jim can't fish worth sh#t. :D

:D:D

Oh...it's on again now.

All of my food this weekend is going to make ALL OF YOU:puke:
I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water and nailing anyone who shows up. :the_finger:

[QUOTE=Deamon;216909]
Jim, quit your day job and become a fishing guide. Your fishing reports make do this :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

My thoughts
 

I know I'll get blasted but:

A guide to me seems like someone helping you solve a puzzle: You solve the puzzle and get the reward but you didn't do it on your own.

And a lot has to do with money. There are rich, poor, middle class kayak fisherman and all in between. Is it worth $100-$200 for someone to guide you for a day? If you only spent $300 on a kayak and fishing gear to get started then a guide probably isn't ideal. If you start with buying a Hobie Pro Angler and only fish on the weekends it's priceless.

Different strokes for different folks!!

When you say "nailing" do you mean that in a sexual way? :eek:

Of course he does silly!

guides thread
 

Hi AlanW,

You bring up a lot of good points. I should have been a little more thorough. I can send you a PM and describe in greater detail, but all the things you mentioned are part of my platform (CA Guide License, bonding, insurance, etc.).

I appreciate the feedback.

-Mobyfish

Let's keep jacking Moby's thread...it's a four page thread Moby, congrats!

If you go to Irvine this weekend...you'll be talked about, insulted and bashed.

but if you do not go to Irvine...you'll really be talked about, insulted and bashed...:paddleersmilie:

Man, still waiting to catch that trophy fish. Maybe I should hit up a guide any suggestions?

Those people saying that you will never know what these guides know. I have a question for you. Do you think the knowledge that they have came from an older generation guide who taught them? Or perhaps they spent time on the water until they learned on their own. I too cannot take anything away from these guides as I can see as to what kind of fish they catch. But to say that there is no way of ever having the fishing know-how that these guides have is a little ignorant.

*end of rant.

Heard the yellowtail were biting pretty locally, who wants to go fishing now?!

😁

Question???
 

Does this same "Anti-Help" thinking apply to say...golf lessons, piano lessons, tennis, coaches, driving, tutoring?

Just wondering.....

Bump... :D

Teachers...?
 

Stupid Teachers trying to learn us all stuff...They buy us books and teach us to read and what do we do? .....We eat the books?

Who needs em...I'm so smart I taught myself everything I need to know...!

Feel free to debate, but no name calling................ ya goobers! :D

Not sure if anyone has been anti-guide in all of this...might be a money or maybe a pride thing...for others, Erinoo said it better than i could..Hahahhahahaha!

This is NOT about being a "little ignorant" 70% of what you will learn or more will be on your own/time on the water. The other 30% comes from friends or a good guide. What really HELP the rate of you're success is being in a large circle of friends who are avid fisherman and feed you constant fish dope. but to say I learned on "my own" is BS.

Like the song says "I get a little help from my friends" Yes, even Tiger Woods hired a guide once.

Jim, The way things are going this year I think you are going to have to get a larger wheel barrow and wear your greenies too....................

As far as guides go, well some need them and some don't. Make your own choice, me I just rather fish Baja, more fish, more types and usually better size too. I rather catch 100-200 fish a day then maybe 4-5, but thats just me.

I hope that someday I will catch a trophy fish:cheers1:

MakoRoberto...if you've given up stateside fishing...find "the book"...you know which one I'm talking about and pass me your Pt Loma Sculpin numbers pal. Jim

Jim do you speak loran c? Those were the days!

Guides
 

OK...MHO...I've been a licensed/bonded DFG kayakfishing guide for 15 years...probably longer than a lot of you have been kayak fishing...that's not to say I know everything there is about fishing or kayaking! I don't and I'm the first to admit it...I love learning new rigging ,fishing tricks, and about the new electronics. I've seen this thread before over the years and it's always a bash on guides and what a waste of money that is. The same comment is usually made..."just come fishing with us".
Most of the kayakers I've taught over the years were very new to the sport of fishing or hooping...many had never been on a kayak before, let alone handled a fish or a lobster. Most didn't have a kayak or had just bought one. These folks had the MONEY to hire a guide and rent a kayak and they saw THEIR VALUE in that learning experience. It wasn't about catching a trophy for them...it was about learning a new sport and having fun. I've also taught a few sonar/GPS OTW clinics and those people were there to learn how to use their expensive electronics....that's why Lowrance has a classroom setting at the Fred Hall Shows. That's why I do seminars teaching kayak fishing and hooping...as a mater of fact I've seen a few of you guide haters at my seminars...why can't you just think of it as a seminar on the water!
It's not always a fun experience as a guide...I've baby-sat some knuckleheads that couldn't catch themselves in a box and I've answered a million questions till I had had it! Not everyone has access to a friend that will teach them the ropes...and the amount of time and attention that I pay to a client thats paying me is very different from the amount of time a friend will spend while fishing with you. It's also a tremendous amount of work setting up two or three yaks getting them on the water and then cleaning the gear and yaks then packing everything away so its clean and ready for the next client...baiting up the cages and cleaning them out...it's a lot of effort and doesn't really work out to a great hourly wage after all the prep and wrap work and time. Ask Ron from Baytubbers...he considered running some guided hoopnet trips...untill he realized how much work and babysitting it can be for only a few bucks.
There are many folks out there that have a gift and don't realize it...I've met lots of kayakers and clients over the years that didn't need a guide...they have that ability to experiment and experience just about anything and learn from it, weather it's from a friend or another kayaker on the water...those folks don't need a guide...! Cherish your God given GIFT and don't rag on those that don't have your life experiences or innate skills and need or can afford a TEACHER!
Then there is the client that wants to get a trophy...much like the Big Game Safaris...these are usually folks with MONEY and that's the way they operate...perhaps your jealous of their way of life or their access to the funds to enjoy their life as they see fit!
To each his own...whatever floats your boat/kayak !

I always had trouble seeing a complete picture of your trophy fish. All those kayakers around you keep getting in the dam way. :)

Jorge hasn't caught a trophy fish since Matt moved away...I think. I got a nice butt last year when Matt(aka StinkyMatt) told me to "drop it right now"...bam 28# butt hanging on the clip soon after...word

I'm flying Matt in next month for some guide sessions and I think he still has some dates available if anyone wants to pm him. Jim

Now that made me laugh!!!

Well said Jim (Saba Slayer). I could be way off base on this, but I think that those that don't need a guide(or think they don't). My self included. Go out fishing with the confidence that they will catch fish and can figure out how to catch the targeted species. Those that hire a guide, either don't have the time to put on the water, need a boost for their confidence, are in a new area for just a short time and just want to get out and catch a fish (on vacation). More power to them. Whether you use a guide or not, there is no reason to bash those that use one or the guides themselves. They have a wealth of knowledge that they are willing to impart to those who wish to learn from them while making a living (or supplementing their income) doing something they love.

BUAHAHAHA! Gotta Love It. We got a lively bunch here. I give it less than a day before someone starts speaking in Pirate. . . . Yyaarrrgh!

-Mobyfish

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IN FLYFISHING WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR LOL..

Well said Jim...

Maybe if we should change the word guide to coach or teacher... There is a difference for me between using a guide to catch fish verses to learn how to catch fish... There are many reasons why folks use them and all are personal preferences and none should be discounted because of ones own choices. We are all not fortunate enough to have a "group" to share info/intel.

When I finally get frustrated enough or finish paying of the mortgage/tuition etc I will probably call a guide. Hopefully I can figure things out on my own using the forums,books etc. I also started fishing without a circle of friends who fished and had to learn a lot of things the hard way.. It was a great feeling once I did start landing fish but also grew frustrated each time I lost a possible trophy.

What's that old saying.. "Teach a man to fish..." That's what guides to me are doing.. Some will learn and be able to apply that knowledge others will probably die of starvation. 😊

Anyhow always love this discussion and to each their own as this will never be agreed nor does it need to be.