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Jim Sammons LJKF 11-02-2015 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Curti (Post 245725)
I watch the JIM SAMMONS show, I've seen about 10 of the shows and it's mostly lakes & streams I was hoping for more of his ocean explorations. I think out of those 10 only one had ocean fishing. But way to many commercials.

I like Jim though so I will continue to watch it. Lot's of good info.


That is pretty funny considering we shoot in fresh water maybe once a year and not at all this year. So far this year we have been to Panama, Florida, Baja, Costa Rica, Curacao and in two weeks Belize.
My producer is in Canada so he kind of insists that we do a shoot up there every year so that gets us that one FW shoot normally. And honestly the fishing up there is pretty damn good so Ill take it.

Not going to comment on the PW show, other than great camera work and I wish if they insist on saying how dangerous and extreme the sport is that they would set an example by wearing PFD's.

ctfphoto 11-02-2015 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF (Post 246325)
if they insist on saying how dangerous and extreme the sport is that they would set an example by wearing PFD's.

Ya I noticed no PFD on a guy, really? He must think he is Yani.

Harry Hill 11-02-2015 09:23 AM

I put the show under the same heading as all of the other reality/drama shows that discovery shows. The format is the same for all of them, run up to a commercial break with something dreadful about to happen, come back from the commercial and show the final 2 minutes from before the commercial up the the dreadful incident and then nothing bad happens until right before the next commercial. Have some conflict between the main characters that is made up for the cameras and have a few that act like total jerks so the audience has someone to hate. Then have sloppy editing because the producers have no respect for their audience. I think Deadliest Catch is the least of the offenders but it's still pretty predictable. I still watch them though because it's better than situation comedies.All of the shows can't be Meateater or Wingshooting USA.

Iceman 11-02-2015 09:27 AM

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I still watch them though because it's better than situation comedies.
Far and away the best show on TV is on tonight at 10pm on FX :D

anchovie 11-02-2015 10:42 AM

I've watched about 10 episodes of the kayak fishing show now. All have been fresh water.

What's up Jim??? When will the LA Jolla show be on?

kjsdad619 11-02-2015 11:11 AM

NO Sh*t right..come on man..not that serious

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Originally Posted by Tandem Assassin (Post 246204)
The "brotherhood" is way over played and turns my stomach - I would of dropped him...Try that at LJ..


Harry Hill 11-02-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 246342)
Far and away the best show on TV is on tonight at 10pm on FX :D

Fargo is outstanding, pure craziness.

PAL 11-02-2015 01:26 PM

It's a 'reality' show, anyone who mistakes it for a documentary is missing a few brain cells. The producers set the story lines. They have a formula to follow. They need interpersonal drama, heroes and antagonists.

If the people in front of the camera don't cooperate, either directly or through manipulation, they find someone who will or get creative in the editing bay. The power is all on Discovery's side.

I've known several of the people on Pacific Warriors for years. We put together a couple of magazine features. You might find them interesting. If nothing else, the photos are epic.

http://www.kayakfishmag.com/editors-...-island-style/

http://www.kayakfishmag.com/features/the-aquahunters/

Since I've fished with many of this crew, I have a few thoughts. I doubt Rob truly lost that first tuna. Isaac is a strong paddler, maybe the best of that bunch. I'm not buying his open water flip. I've never met Jason but I find it hard to believe he's such a Barney, although the boat rescue shown in the first episode is rumored to be real.

If I took it at face value, I wouldn't feel sorry for Jon Jon. Not after his scene with the needlefish, the "poor man's marlin." Laughable. Add his foul mouth, disrespectful attitude and training wheel outriggers. He doesn't strike me as a guy with the stuff to claim the first 500-lb kayak marlin. Who knows how much of it is real? None of these people can talk. They all signed NDAs.

In other words, don't take the show so seriously. It's TV. It isn't a fishing show. It's a drama that happens to have gorgeous scenery, the occasional epic fish, and a ton of awful editing. I wish the production company had treated the subject with greater respect.

jorluivil 11-02-2015 02:24 PM

Its not rocket science


If you don't like it




Don't watch it






I don't watch it




I'd rather watch How it's Made or How the Universe Works

ctfphoto 11-02-2015 02:35 PM

It's TV,

The problem is we know the subject too well.

I remember seeing a Bear Grylls episode where he was in the Eastern Sierra trying to get out ( I know this area like the back of my hand) and he made soooooooo many stupid mistakes it was laughable .... I know that subject too well ..........

Dirty Curti 11-02-2015 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF (Post 246325)
That is pretty funny considering we shoot in fresh water maybe once a year and not at all this year. So far this year we have been to Panama, Florida, Baja, Costa Rica, Curacao and in two weeks Belize.
My producer is in Canada so he kind of insists that we do a shoot up there every year so that gets us that one FW shoot normally. And honestly the fishing up there is pretty damn good so Ill take it.

Not going to comment on the PW show, other than great camera work and I wish if they insist on saying how dangerous and extreme the sport is that they would set an example by wearing PFD's.

Looking forward to those Shows Jim, I'll be watching!

P.S. I love that the intro is a launch from LJ.

Cbad Mike 11-02-2015 06:53 PM

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The first and last real reality show!!!

surfisher 11-02-2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PAL (Post 246385)

I've known several of the people on Pacific Warriors for years. We put together a couple of magazine features. You might find them interesting. If nothing else, the photos are epic.

http://www.kayakfishmag.com/editors-...-island-style/

http://www.kayakfishmag.com/features/the-aquahunters/

Whoah, thanks for sharing! Those photos are rad!!

Apex Predator 11-02-2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by momo fish (Post 246273)
Expecting this to be a fishing show is like expecting the real housewife shows to be about housewife stuff 😊...

It would be to boring.. Side bet on who gets Kimmi prego first and when Rob turns out to be really Rachel in season 3...

LMAO thats the funniest thing I heard all day!!

Apex Predator 11-02-2015 11:07 PM

I am going to the Big Island on Saturday for 10 Days, I want to roll up on Rob's beach and see him try to punk me out. Anyone know where they launching from? Are they mostly fishing out of the Kona side of the Island?.....10 min to leave, right, more like you got 10 seconds to get out of my face. I cant believe he bullied that little Asian guy. It reminded me of the movie North Shore and the caricature stereotype Portagee Hawaiian it portrayed. I have surfed the north shore plenty of times and good surfers will always get respect if you can hold your own.

jruiz 11-03-2015 07:26 AM

All of a sudden everyone's 1/10 native Hawaiian and speaking pidgin:rolleyes:

ronbo613 11-03-2015 09:04 AM

Missed the show; no TV.

Dave Legacy 11-03-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ctfphoto (Post 246396)
It's TV,

The problem is we know the subject too well.

I remember seeing a Bear Grylls episode where he was in the Eastern Sierra trying to get out ( I know this area like the back of my hand) and he made soooooooo many stupid mistakes it was laughable .... I know that subject too well ..........

This was the episode that made me realize that Discovery Channel was messing with me. The lake he swam across at the end I was sure was Grant Lake.

ctfphoto 11-03-2015 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Legacy (Post 246492)
This was the episode that made me realize that Discovery Channel was messing with me. The lake he swam across at the end I was sure was Grant Lake.


Yes swimming across the lake (risk hypothermia) was ridiculous .... the smart move is to walk around the shoreline, duh ...

He also down climbed a steep rock face when he did not need to, everywhere in the High Sierra where there is a steep rock face, there are always easier ways down.

RockyRaab 11-07-2015 07:03 AM

Saw a bit of the show last night, and even though I'm not a saltwater yakker, it didn't take long for me to groan at all the hype, the fake drama, and the terrible continuity errors.

But thanks to reading this thread, I now about Jim's shows. Searching for them next.

Reality TV is an oxymoron.

Silbaugh4liberty 11-07-2015 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 619-SWIM-DOG (Post 245523)
If you are selling your catch you need to have a commercial license. Even in Hawaii were you don't need a fishing license to fish recreationally. See link below.

http://hawaiideptland.custhelp.com/a...ing-license%3F

You don't in California either as I've recently discovered. Article 1 Section 25 of the California Constitution, check it out.

Iceman 11-07-2015 08:14 AM

The production of this show is wearing on me. Again Kimi in the Trident, then the Scrambler, back and forth. The show is just too piecemealed together. They try to add confusion and excitement in choppy short clips. Surprised they are not working to make you care about the characters, seems that would be crucial, back stories, home life.........lacking some key components.
Again tangles and lost fish and sharks that are just added footage :rolleyes:

Last night had Isaac and partner making a 5 mile trek down the river to get to an area too rocky to launch from.......then after, they landed smiling on a nice serene sandy stretch of beach. :rolleyes:

They supposedly pulled off the river and camped out but showed none of that, we were supposed to believe that because they asked each other how they slept.........still great camera work, fire the producer!

Aznronin 11-07-2015 08:50 AM

And Issac makes $8,000 in just 3 weeks Kayakfishing because now he has a partner to fish with...lol.

Aznronin 11-07-2015 08:51 AM

What's next? Are the production boats going to hook up on giant fish and hand them the rod after they mothership them out to rough areas?

ctfphoto 11-07-2015 08:56 AM

Like I have said this before ......


...... You could make a better quality show and with a chef showing how to cook the awesome catch in his kitchen :D;):the_finger:;):D

Think cooking channel.

.....shoot based in La Jolla with trips to Baja, Hawaii, Central Coast, Alaska,
Floriduh, High Sierra .......


Get a talent agent ;)

Iceman 11-07-2015 09:37 AM

they may not be exaggerating the money they make.......good grief that is expensive!

http://honolulufish.com/hawaiian-mahi-mahi-wahoo/

Jim Sammons LJKF 11-07-2015 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 246853)
they may not be exaggerating the money they make.......good grief that is expensive!

http://honolulufish.com/hawaiian-mahi-mahi-wahoo/

No wonder they don't CnR ever. That is crazy right there. Or does that price include overnight shipping around the globe.

Jim Sammons LJKF 11-07-2015 09:50 AM

OK I just looked it up, that price does include "Free" shipping to anywhere in the US.

Aznronin 11-07-2015 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 246853)
they may not be exaggerating the money they make.......good grief that is expensive!

http://honolulufish.com/hawaiian-mahi-mahi-wahoo/

No wonder spam is so popular. Lol

Aznronin 11-07-2015 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF (Post 246855)
OK I just looked it up, that price does include "Free" shipping to anywhere in the US.

But the lube it comes with is extra...

Rambo 11-07-2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 246853)
they may not be exaggerating the money they make.......good grief that is expensive!

http://honolulufish.com/hawaiian-mahi-mahi-wahoo/

I would believe so on the amount of money spent on fresh fish. Everything is quite expensive in Hawaii since the majority of produce are imported in. I been there to the islands and man fresh ahi poke in all the markets and convenient stores. You don't see that in California.

tacmik 11-08-2015 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty (Post 246841)
You don't in California either as I've recently discovered. Article 1 Section 25 of the California Constitution, check it out.

"that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season
when and the conditions under which the different species of fish
may be taken. " Condition of any and all species is that you have a fishing license.

Dave Legacy 11-08-2015 06:49 AM

The same bendo shot over and over again didn't bother me the first two episodes, but the honeymoon period is over and I'm starting to feel insulted. No doubt I'll still keep coming back week after week to be disgusted. =)

GregAndrew 11-08-2015 04:34 PM

I have figured out a way to watch it without falling asleep. DVR it and keep your thumb on the FF button. Watched the parts of that episode that looked worth playing in 20 minutes.

Silbaugh4liberty 11-09-2015 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tacmik (Post 246905)
"that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season
when and the conditions under which the different species of fish
may be taken. " Condition of any and all species is that you have a fishing license.

It says, "by statute, may regulate the season and method of take". Nothing about the license.

Here's some case law for ya too!


Murdock v. Penn., 319 US 105 (1943)
No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it.

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 373 US 262 (1963)
If the State converts a liberty into a privilege, the Citizen can engage in the right with impunity.


Miller v. U.S., 230 F. 2nd. 486, 489 (5th Cir. 1959) Id. at 489-490
The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.

octico 11-09-2015 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty (Post 246958)
It says, "by statute, may regulate the season and method of take". Nothing about the license.

Here's some case law for ya too!


Murdock v. Penn., 319 US 105 (1943)
No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it.

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 373 US 262 (1963)
If the State converts a liberty into a privilege, the Citizen can engage in the right with impunity.


Miller v. U.S., 230 F. 2nd. 486, 489 (5th Cir. 1959) Id. at 489-490
The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.

Where you been in Kevin? Good luck trying to use that argument in court. Its pretty clear in the fish and game code.

Article 2. General Provisions - California Fish and Game Code Section 7121

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7121. Except as otherwise provided by this code or by regulation,
it is unlawful to sell or purchase any fish or amphibia taken in, or
brought into, the waters of the state, or brought ashore at any point
in the state.
It is unlawful to buy, sell, or possess in any place of business
where fish are bought, sold, or processed, any fish or amphibia taken
on any boat, barge, or vessel which carries sport fishermen, except
those fish may be possessed in such a place only for the purposes of
canning or smoking under regulations adopted by the commission.

Tandem Assassin 11-09-2015 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 246932)
I have figured out a way to watch it without falling asleep. DVR it and keep your thumb on the FF button. Watched the parts of that episode that looked worth playing in 20 minutes.

I don't think the show will be around for long as the subject matter has a small but knowledgeable audience. Ratings will be poor for a prime time Friday show and it will be cancelled shortly...

I find the footage on BWE more entertaining.

Silbaugh4liberty 11-09-2015 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by octico (Post 246970)
Where you been in Kevin? Good luck trying to use that argument in court. Its pretty clear in the fish and game code.

Article 2. General Provisions - California Fish and Game Code Section 7121

Hey John, sorry I've been MIA! Been real busy, might be changing jobs soon, church, etc. Did some fishing yesterday with a buddy near the rigs south of izors, limited on rockies for the 3 of us real easily, they were throwing up those red tuna crabs. Didn't know those things were still around. No bait tank, and couldn't find any in the spots my buddy went, so that's all we got.

The key word your missing in that dfg reg. Is "BUSINESS". Are you a business? Those codes are statutory, meaning they don't apply if you don't engage in the contract via "fishing license". Keep in mind, a license is getting permission to do something that you not be able to do, without asking permission. However, the California Constitution is very clear that it is a RIGHT, which cannot be converted into a privilege, and attach a fee, and license for.

Iceman 11-09-2015 04:36 PM

This is the scene that I felt really insulted my intelligence............do you believe there were sharks at the time he had these fish on or was it just fabricated adding in some shark scenes? :D

and why did they land at that lil beach after paddling 5 miles down river to get there?

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/pa...-double-catch/

Aznronin 11-10-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 247048)
This is the scene that I felt really insulted my intelligence............do you believe there were sharks at the time he had these fish on or was it just fabricated adding in some shark scenes? :D

and why did they land at that lil beach after paddling 5 miles down river to get there?

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/pa...-double-catch/

These guys are quickly becoming the Kardashians of Kayakfishing. Everything is glamorous and fake as hell. I wonder who will become addicted to crack and who will get the transgender sex change. Lol


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