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pingpangdang 03-08-2016 01:11 PM

Strong braid to top shot knot
 
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By no means am I a knot expert but i do know one thing...This not has knot failed me yet. I've bent hooks or snapped top shot and never had this knot fail.

I learned this knot in japan while using varivas shock leader...very popular shock leader in japan....seems more flexible and less stiff than the stuff here.

There maybe another name for this knot but as of now I'm going with the name on the pic.

Mr. NiceGuy 03-08-2016 03:36 PM

For ease and simplicity, and to pull down into a very small, tight knot that goes through pole eyelets easy, take a look at this one.

It's essentially no thicker than one single fold of the thicker 40#(?) diameter fluorocarbon. All the wraps are made with the thinner diameter braid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP0RZZPBaQ

Darrell 03-08-2016 03:50 PM

X 2 on the royal polaris knot, AKA John Collins knot. Easy to tie, super small and ive never had a failure with it

TJones 03-08-2016 03:51 PM

Try tying that knot on water
 
With current ripping like it does at Lj . You will be in Mexico . I use same knot as niceguy. Estimated breaking strength 95% or more .

TJones 03-08-2016 03:52 PM

RP
 
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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 255301)
X 2 on the royal polaris knot, AKA John Collins knot. Easy to tie, super small and ive never had a failure with it

Is trying make claim to fame . :the_finger:

YakDout 03-08-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. NiceGuy (Post 255299)
For ease and simplicity, and to pull down into a very small, tight knot that goes through pole eyelets easy, take a look at this one.

It's essentially no thicker than one single fold of the thicker 40#(?) diameter fluorocarbon. All the wraps are made with the thinner diameter braid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP0RZZPBaQ


Yep this is my go to, a great knot. I know it as the improved albright and I do 7 turns up and 7 down. Also when I tighten all I do it wet and pull all four lines. Tags and mains together.


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FullFlavorPike 03-08-2016 04:34 PM

Nothing wrong with OP's knot if it works for him and he can tie it in a hurry when the fish are biting and the swell is rolling.

Silbaugh4liberty 03-08-2016 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 255301)
X 2 on the royal polaris knot, AKA John Collins knot. Easy to tie, super small and ive never had a failure with it

AKA Albright knot, AKA Alberto knot, aka (the badass knot that everyone wants to name after themselves).

pingpangdang 03-08-2016 07:24 PM

Looks simple, strong and the leader tucks in nice....going to have to try that! Thx

jorluivil 03-08-2016 07:49 PM

This is my go to knot for flouro or mono to spectra, I have never had the knot fail. I've had 40lb mono/flouro break before my knot.

The knot is extremely easy to do, I can do it on the water at LJ with current ripping and not end up in Mexico but if I do I'll get a chance to visit my uncle Don Felipe


http://www.anglingknots.com/kcarpfis...edalbright.png

EastLosYaker 03-08-2016 07:57 PM

Use the "original" Albright/Alberto/RP knot with flouro and it's always held strong, but with mono, it slips. I'll have to try the new and improved version when fishing with mono.

Geno Machino 03-08-2016 08:11 PM

Smallest and strongest connection to date...
 
http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot

I used to use the rest, now I use the best!

jorluivil 03-08-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EastLosYaker (Post 255329)
Use the "original" Albright/Alberto/RP knot with flouro and it's always held strong, but with mono, it slips. I'll have to try the new and improved version when fishing with mono.


I found that slippage is usually caused by oily hands/fingers touching the mono/flouro, getting any/all oils off of your hands/fingers before tying the knot will help prevent slippage when cinching the lines together. Another thing that I did notice that helps ~other than washing your hands~ is to pinch the mono/flouro right where it bends and come back around. I believe the tight bend in the mono/flouro causes the spectra to get hung up and allows it to tighten and not slip.

ful-rac 03-08-2016 08:35 PM

FG knot looks pretty good... if you have the time to tie it, at home or between stops. When you need to tie a new leader quickly and easily and or under pressure, the RP knot or the John Collins wins in my book.

EastLosYaker 03-08-2016 08:49 PM

All in the pinch! Just tried it with the pinch, problem solved. Still going to try out the improved version. Always good to see for yourself.

alanw 03-08-2016 08:58 PM

Alberto and Albright are different knots. I prefer the Alberto type with 7 up and 7 down.

alanw 03-08-2016 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil (Post 255332)
~ is to pinch the mono/flouro right where it bends and come back around. I believe the tight bend in the mono/flouro causes the spectra to get hung up and allows it to tighten and not slip.

If my mono was slipping I'd try a different knot, add wraps to my knot, check my tying technique, or use different line or leader. I think the last thing I'd do is intentionally put a kink in my line.

GregAndrew 03-08-2016 11:13 PM

I prefer an SPro swivel for my braid to fluoro connections. They are small and extremely strong. They also provide a way for your line to unwind. Unless you are fishing for picky Tuna, you are not going to have any problems.

King Saba 03-09-2016 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Geno Machino (Post 255330)
http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot

I used to use the rest, now I use the best!

I can never get the spectra to get that Chinese finger trap effect on the leader. I've spent hours tying it when I have downtime, but it's just one knot I can't seem to master.

Silbaugh4liberty 03-09-2016 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by alanw (Post 255337)
Alberto and Albright are different knots. I prefer the Alberto type with 7 up and 7 down.

How so? More turns going up and down? No matter how many turns up and down, the concept is exactly the same. I think I'm gonna do 13 turns and call it the Freddy Krueger knot, or maybe 33 and call it the Freemason knot! LOL, its all the same crap.

jorluivil 03-09-2016 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil (Post 255327)
This is my go to knot for flouro or mono to spectra, I have never had the knot fail. I've had 40lb mono/flouro break before my knot.

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Originally Posted by alanw (Post 255340)
If my mono was slipping I'd try a different knot, add wraps to my knot, check my tying technique, or use different line or leader. I think the last thing I'd do is intentionally put a kink in my line.


Obviously, you didn't read my entire reply and no I don't want to check your tying technique:p. I've been using that same knot since 2007 and I haven't had any issues with it once its tied.

PapaDave 03-09-2016 06:53 AM

I just go straight braid.

FARRIER 03-09-2016 07:08 AM

I love the tony peña, bob sands, whatever else you want to call it. I like it because it has a tell tale sign if it is tied correctly. The spectra portion of the knot becomes rigid. So you know right away if you have any imperfections. It shares all the advantages of the rp knot with sone of the same drawbacks. As you get above 40lb leader the connection becomes somewhat obtrusive and can get caughts up in the last few guides. I use it on all my setups.

alanw 03-09-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty (Post 255345)
How so? More turns going up and down? No matter how many turns up and down, the concept is exactly the same. I think I'm gonna do 13 turns and call it the Freddy Krueger knot, or maybe 33 and call it the Freemason knot! LOL, its all the same crap.

Alberto has wraps going up and wraps going down. Albright just has wraps going down only.
http://www.netknots.com/files/9014/0...berto_knot.jpghttp://www.netknots.com/files/8214/0...pecial2014.jpg

octico 03-09-2016 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty (Post 255345)
How so? More turns going up and down? No matter how many turns up and down, the concept is exactly the same. I think I'm gonna do 13 turns and call it the Freddy Krueger knot, or maybe 33 and call it the Freemason knot! LOL, its all the same crap.

You are wrong my friend. Two different knots.

Starsky 03-09-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by King Saba (Post 255342)
I can never get the spectra to get that Chinese finger trap effect on the leader. I've spent hours tying it when I have downtime, but it's just one knot I can't seem to master.

What I do is put my rod in a holder at a slight angle, then I put a decent weight on the end of the braid (I usually use my pliers). Just let it dangle there. This keeps the spectra line always tight and I proceed with the alternating wraps with the flouro.

I could never do it will with just my hands :rolleyes:


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