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Happy New Year Kenny, I once flipped in the PA14 without the front liner in the bow hatch. Due to the extensive gear on the yak, By the time I had the kayak upright, the water had flooded up to the middle hatch. With the bow submerged, the kayak was too unstable to get upon, and pumping from the middle hatch was futile as waves kept washing more water in faster than I could pump it out. If I had an electric pump, it would have saved my azz. After the incident for a couple of years, I installed a Tsunami bilge pump rigged in the bow and used one of the openings designed for the electrical wires as the discharge exit. Had I kept the front liner in the bow, the excessive flooding never would have happened. When I upgraded to a newer PA, I did not bother to put in the electronic bilge, but since then would never consider removing the bow liner or internal floatation to increase interior storage.
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