Steve thanks for the input hobies are at the top of the list. Old Town Predator is also on my must try before buying, iceman and oex will get a fair shot, want to buy new just to avoid issues (unless its a smoking deal) and i will get good use of it. in my opinion and research seats and newer models are trending towards more comfortable now with better support and ease of use. I compare the cost full d day trips
at $150 a day and I can justify the cost as saving after just a few months.
