Last day of fishing the now closed Scripps area

[yaky yak]

I'm thinking about painting my yak black and changing my handle to,"Outlaw Ninja, night stocker''. I can't be expected to respect whats not right.

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by yaky yak

I'm thinking about painting my yak black and changing my handle to,"Outlaw Ninja, night stocker''. I can't be expected to respect whats not right.

We totally agree, how are we to respect what's not right.
Ignorant people created this mess, and we won't have any problem if we see any of you fishing in these areas.

But, on another note, we still should abide by the "rules and regs" already in place by the DFG, like size/quantity limits, seasonal closures, etc. To that point, we would hope Billy V, that you didn't catch those rockfish on Jan 1st, knowing their season is now closed. We could care less if you caught them in an MLPA area on March 1st, when the season opens again. But, it's not in our best interests as fishermen to break the already established laws set by the DFG.
But, MLPA is wrong, and that new "law" for closures, as Yaky Yak said, doesn't deserve our respect.

[Seahunterr]

That area wasn't closed today, I fished there all afternoonfor legal size halibut. Seriously, buying a fishing license is only sending DFG the message you agree with how they are managing resources...do you?

Originally Posted by Seahunterr

That area wasn't closed today, I fished there all afternoonfor legal size halibut. Seriously, buying a fishing license is only sending DFG the message you agree with how they are managing resources...do you?

What puts more money in the DFG's pocket, a $43 license, or the countless tickets they will be handing out knowing people are going to fish without them. Expect heightened presence at landing areas. You're not going to win by not buying a license. You're like a child holding his breath because he didn't get his ice cream.

[StinkyMatt]

Lets say for the sake of simple math that 1 million licences get sold each year. If you were to mobilize every BWE member not to buy one for a while you would possibly create a .5% temporary delay in funds to the state.

As much as this might make someone feel better, or like they are making a stand, it would mean absolutely nothing to the state.

Fishing without a licence is another option that may not be the best choice for us anglers. Last thing we want to be portrayed as is a bunch of lawless "fish killers".

Remember, the DFG is enforcing the laws created by someone else.

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.

Just my 2 cents.

[blitzburgh]

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.
Just my 2 cents.

I think that's a pretty good idea. It always seems like even the smallest groups of protesters get on the news these days. The big thing would be to get some news cameras there, easier said than done I'm sure.

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

Lets say for the sake of simple math that 1 million licences get sold each year. If you were to mobilize every BWE member not to buy one for a while you would possibly create a .5% temporary delay in funds to the state.

As much as this might make someone feel better, or like they are making a stand, it would mean absolutely nothing to the state.

Fishing without a licence is another option that may not be the best choice for us anglers. Last thing we want to be portrayed as is a bunch of lawless "fish killers".

Remember, the DFG is enforcing the laws created by someone else.

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.

Just my 2 cents.

We agree with you and Blitzburgh, and we would love it if anyone could provide a partial/complete list of all companies and organizations (Green Peace, etc) who aligned themselves with the MLPA. Boycotting companies products, and emailing all of our own contacts, fishermen or not, to do the same, may at least put a dent in their pocketbooks.
An organized picketing in front of these establishments would definitely have a more immediate impact, and if media is involved, even that much better.

[bus kid]

Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

We agree with you and Blitzburgh, and we would love it if anyone could provide a partial/complete list of all companies and organizations (Green Peace, etc) who aligned themselves with the MLPA. Boycotting companies products, and emailing all of our own contacts, fishermen or not, to do the same, may at least put a dent in their pocketbooks.
An organized picketing in front of these establishments would definitely have a more immediate impact, and if media is involved, even that much better.

Bellcon started one here:

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ead.php?t=6256

[WahooUSMA]

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

Lets say for the sake of simple math that 1 million licences get sold each year. If you were to mobilize every BWE member not to buy one for a while you would possibly create a .5% temporary delay in funds to the state.

As much as this might make someone feel better, or like they are making a stand, it would mean absolutely nothing to the state.

Fishing without a licence is another option that may not be the best choice for us anglers. Last thing we want to be portrayed as is a bunch of lawless "fish killers".

Remember, the DFG is enforcing the laws created by someone else.

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.

Just my 2 cents.

x-2

[PAL]

To those of you that actually spent time and effort to stop this process I want to thank you.I hope it feels good that it made almost no difference

I hope it feels good to be ignorant. Almost no difference? The better part of LJ is open. The enviros wanted the entire thing. They were desperate to get it. We turned them away. That was a huge difference, and it didn't happen by itself. Or maybe you're from Laguna. Then you're right. The blue bloods (or is that blue hairs?) won. Or Dume up in Malibu, movie star land? There weren't enough fishermen to defend our turf. Maybe you stayed home?

Other zones that went the fisherman's way:

Rocky Pt at PV
Catalina west end
Carp Reef
Pyramid Cove

I could keep going. It would have been much worse if people hadn't stood up. Too bad more didn't show, enough to shut down the hearings. I didn't miss one. When we had the numbers, events went our way. When our people faded, nightmare.

Every time one of us paddles out to north LJ kelp, dives there with a spear, or drops a line from a boat this community should feel proud for showing up and speaking too loudly to be ignored. It would be closed now without the kayak fishing crowd.

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by Drake

What puts more money in the DFG's pocket, a $43 license, or the countless tickets they will be handing out knowing people are going to fish without them. Expect heightened presence at landing areas. You're not going to win by not buying a license. You're like a child holding his breath because he didn't get his ice cream.

x2. They might make more money on citations, so what's the point?

[William Novotny]

Originally Posted by yaky yak

I'm thinking about painting my yak black and changing my handle to,"Outlaw Ninja, night stocker''. I can't be expected to respect whats not right.

Im down to go rogue fish assassin.

[stairman]

When they outlawed smoking inresturants non smokers didn't speak up for the freedom of the resturant ownwer to have a smoking establishment if he wanted.
When they made painting your home a require a permit no one spoke up.
When they made bbq smoke a polutant instead of an attraching smell to the resturant...no one spoke up.
when your semiauto "dangerous looking " gun became illegal...no one spoke up.

so why now when the liberals here in california have run amok of your freedom do you expect anyone to protest for you.

Freedom ,like a mountain range, can be brokendown one grain of sand at a time....putting it back together is a far more monumental task.
vote freedom or shut the hell up(yes that means you fucking democrat voting environmentalist leaning fisherman too)

[FISHIONADO]

Originally Posted by stairman

When they outlawed smoking inresturants non smokers didn't speak up for the freedom of the resturant ownwer to have a smoking establishment if he wanted.
When they made painting your home a require a permit no one spoke up.
When they made bbq smoke a polutant instead of an attraching smell to the resturant...no one spoke up.
when your semiauto "dangerous looking " gun became illegal...no one spoke up.

so why now when the liberals here in california have run amok of your freedom do you expect anyone to protest for you.

Freedom ,like a mountain range, can be brokendown one grain of sand at a time....putting it back together is a far more monumental task.
vote freedom or shut the hell up(yes that means you fucking democrat voting environmentalist leaning fisherman too)

I'm probably the fucking democrat voting environmentalist leaning fisherman you speak of. No worries, it takes more than that to offend me. But I don't recall you being one of the guys who stood up for our rights during the years we were asking folks to attend meetings from San Diego to Santa Barbara and email and write letters. Maybe I didn't know who your were but I don't remember you being there or speaking up. Not trying to offend, but if you think voting republican is going to preserve your freedoms, you haven't been paying attention.

[Bennyblanco]

This place is getting hot. It feels like summertime

[stairman]

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

I'm probably the fucking democrat voting environmentalist leaning fisherman you speak of. No worries, it takes more than that to offend me. But I don't recall you being one of the guys who stood up for our rights during the years we were asking folks to attend meetings from San Diego to Santa Barbara and email and write letters. Maybe I didn't know who your were but I don't remember you being there or speaking up. Not trying to offend, but if you think voting republican is going to preserve your freedoms, you haven't been paying attention.

yup you probably are.
I don't join lost causes....I don't spend money chasing dreams of freedoms lost to the save the whales folks.There are far to many idiots that have no clue about the ocean and it's life we all love for me to have bothered spending what little money I have chasing the dream that it would actually make a difference.
Sure some of you will say that voting for a particular party won't make a difference anyway...and maybe you are right....but at least it only cost me what it takes to drive to the polling place.
To those of you that actually spent time and effort to stop this process I want to thank you.I hope it feels good that it made almost no difference at all in a state run by democrats from the assembly to the senate.We here have been ruled by democrats for what ,... at least 30 years.Governors that were voted in that were republicans have had their proposed rules ,regulation and laws either refused by the senate and assembly or the antis shopped till they found a judge to rule in their favor.
California is a state in decline ....not because the geography or the will of the people have changed ...because the "leaders" we elected(not me) have consistantly disreguarded the will of the people.
go ahead pop the corn ,sit back and be polite about the idiots that vote without paying attention other then collecting their check every month.
Your silence at parties ,in the office ,or at the beach while launching your yak is rewarded with your loss of the freedom to fish within the constraints of good fisheries management.
I hope your happy with the results.
I'm pissed.....I lash out at those of you that vote for democrats because I percieve that ,compared to republicans,they are the party that most often represents the people that destroyed my favorite fishing spot since the first time I fished it back in 1975.If you think differently don't be silent.....this is a discussion that needs to be aired out in a public forum.
defend your votes for the people that killed you ecofriendly manner of fishing....ironic isn't it.

[FISHIONADO]

Originally Posted by stairman

yup you probably are.
I don't join lost causes....I don't spend money chasing dreams of freedoms lost to the save the whales folks.There are far to many idiots that have no clue about the ocean and it's life we all love for me to have bothered spending what little money I have chasing the dream that it would actually make a difference.
Sure some of you will say that voting for a particular party won't make a difference anyway...and maybe you are right....but at least it only cost me what it takes to drive to the polling place.
To those of you that actually spent time and effort to stop this process I want to thank you.I hope it feels good that it made almost no difference at all in a state run by democrats from the assembly to the senate.We here have been ruled by democrats for what ,... at least 30 years.Governors that were voted in that were republicans have had their proposed rules ,regulation and laws either refused by the senate and assembly or the antis shopped till they found a judge to rule in their favor.
California is a state in decline ....not because the geography or the will of the people have changed ...because the "leaders" we elected(not me) have consistantly disreguarded the will of the people.
go ahead pop the corn ,sit back and be polite about the idiots that vote without paying attention other then collecting their check every month.
Your silence at parties ,in the office ,or at the beach while launching your yak is rewarded with your loss of the freedom to fish within the constraints of good fisheries management.
I hope your happy with the results.
I'm pissed.....I lash out at those of you that vote for democrats because I percieve that ,compared to republicans,they are the party that most often represents the people that destroyed my favorite fishing spot since the first time I fished it back in 1975.If you think differently don't be silent.....this is a discussion that needs to be aired out in a public forum.
defend your votes for the people that killed you ecofriendly manner of fishing....ironic isn't it.

Remind me which party Swarchenegger represents? Peace bro, glad to continue a good debate.

[mbaha]

But importantly I got the last legal game fish out of the Scripps reserve!!!

[DESTROYER]

Originally Posted by stairman

yup you probably are.
I don't join lost causes....I don't spend money chasing dreams of freedoms lost to the save the whales folks.There are far to many idiots that have no clue about the ocean and it's life we all love for me to have bothered spending what little money I have chasing the dream that it would actually make a difference.
Sure some of you will say that voting for a particular party won't make a difference anyway...and maybe you are right....but at least it only cost me what it takes to drive to the polling place.
To those of you that actually spent time and effort to stop this process I want to thank you.I hope it feels good that it made almost no difference at all in a state run by democrats from the assembly to the senate.We here have been ruled by democrats for what ,... at least 30 years.Governors that were voted in that were republicans have had their proposed rules ,regulation and laws either refused by the senate and assembly or the antis shopped till they found a judge to rule in their favor.
California is a state in decline ....not because the geography or the will of the people have changed ...because the "leaders" we elected(not me) have consistantly disreguarded the will of the people.
go ahead pop the corn ,sit back and be polite about the idiots that vote without paying attention other then collecting their check every month.
Your silence at parties ,in the office ,or at the beach while launching your yak is rewarded with your loss of the freedom to fish within the constraints of good fisheries management.
I hope your happy with the results.
I'm pissed.....I lash out at those of you that vote for democrats because I percieve that ,compared to republicans,they are the party that most often represents the people that destroyed my favorite fishing spot since the first time I fished it back in 1975.If you think differently don't be silent.....this is a discussion that needs to be aired out in a public forum.
defend your votes for the people that killed you ecofriendly manner of fishing....ironic isn't it.

Don't you agree that it is the POLITICIANS in general that are ruining the USA?

Democrat or Republican...Does it Matter?

A few kids take advantage so all of us lose our privelidges...It's not right, this is not grade shcool!

I was one who of those who spoke up and donated money, not because I thought it would make a difference, but because it is my duty as an American. My Grandfather's and Father passed down their will to fight and that's what I thought was right.

I've said it once and I will say it again. It is UN-AMERICAN what they have done. Recreational Fishing is not a crime but it will be if you fish in THEIR marine closeures!

There is no winners here and there should be no finger pointing. As fisherman, Man, Women, Democrat, Republican...We all LOSE!

Cheers- Matt Moyer

[GHOSTHUNTR]

Good call Matt, there are certainly enemies on each side. Seems to me these lines are more and more blurred all the time.