Can You Carry a Concealed Weapon on a Kayak

[bubblehide]

Transporting is where they will get most offenses. And generally speaking, if you don't have a CCW or a badge, the ammo needs to be separated from the gun. And, both need to be in locked containers, one of which can be the glove box (if it locks). If in a car, they need to be separated, as one locked in a locked container in the trunk, the other in the cab of the car. If in an SUV, it is advised that both be in separate locked containers in the farthest back (rear) compartment.


With all the overlapping laws, and jurisdictions, some things can get pretty complicated, so much so that many cops aren't sure themselves. However, knowing the hierarchy of jurisdiction, and how superseding works, it's manageable, i.e., the feds set the minimum, local and state agencies can go above and beyond the feds regulations, but can not have less. A state agency's laws/regulations supersede local government...

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by bubblehide

Transporting is where they will get most offenses. And generally speaking, if you don't have a CCW or a badge, the ammo needs to be separated from the gun. And, both need to be in locked containers, one of which can be the glove box (if it locks). If in a car, they need to be separated, as one locked in a locked container in the trunk, the other in the cab of the car. If in an SUV, it is advised that both be in separate locked containers in the farthest back (rear) compartment..

Yeah you're far more likely to get in trouble walking a unloaded weapon from the car to your yak in Malibu then when you are actually carrying it loaded on your kayak while fishing there.

Weird but True

[alanw]

Originally Posted by bubblehide

Transporting is where they will get most offenses. And generally speaking, if you don't have a CCW or a badge, the ammo needs to be separated from the gun. And, both need to be in locked containers, one of which can be the glove box (if it locks). If in a car, they need to be separated, as one locked in a locked container in the trunk, the other in the cab of the car. If in an SUV, it is advised that both be in separate locked containers in the farthest back (rear) compartment.

It's probably true transporting is where you will get the most offenses, and what you said is probably good advise to be overly cautious.

But, ammo does not need to be in a separate container, and it doesn't even have to be locked up. Also, it's written in the penal code that a locked container does not include the glove box. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/16850.html

I think ammo does need to be locked in a separate container for interstate transport, but for transport within CA it doesn't.

Please see http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...p/Transporting


Anyway, looks like we should have a 3 mile out fishing party

[bubblehide]

Originally Posted by alanw

It's probably true transporting is where you will get the most offenses, and what you said is probably good advise to be overly cautious.

But, ammo does not need to be in a separate container, and it doesn't even have to be locked up. Also, it's written in the penal code that a locked container does not include the glove box. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/16850.html

I think ammo does need to be locked in a separate container for interstate transport, but for transport within CA it doesn't.

Please see http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...p/Transporting


Anyway, looks like we should have a 3 mile out fishing party

Your right about the glove box, I'm going off of memory here. The thing with Ca, is that our gun laws are in constant flux, constantly changing; usually due to the passing of bills that are not constitutional. As far as ammo needing to be locked up, I read it this past year, as being a new law; if I recall correctly. Give me some time to try and find it again, as I ma rather busy this time of year. I specifically recall reading about it, because I went out and bought a lockable ammo box specifically due to what I read. But you never know, it could had been a bill that passed one house but not the other. I'll do some digging, as I have time.

[ful-rac]

Are we still talking about this crap!

Maybe we should add a... guns and hunting section to the site...

or we should continue this conversation over at calguns....

[StinkyMatt]

Guns are bad........they hurt people.

[wiredantz]

I do not know why people are fighting over guns on the water.


Just carry a spear gun, problem solved.




On a totally off the wall comment, in which i want to share:

Originally Posted by bubblehide

Your right about the glove box, I'm going off of memory here. The thing with Ca, is that our gun laws are in constant flux, constantly changing; usually due to the passing of bills that are not constitutional. As far as ammo needing to be locked up, I read it this past year, as being a new law; if I recall correctly. Give me some time to try and find it again, as I ma rather busy this time of year. I specifically recall reading about it, because I went out and bought a lockable ammo box specifically due to what I read. But you never know, it could had been a bill that passed one house but not the other. I'll do some digging, as I have time.

I live in South Los Angeles (aka South Central). We have many gangs that have unregistered guns, our police force is not able to control the amount of unregistered guns. The worst part is if they end up killing someone, you will *probably* not get the death penalty. We just end up paying for them in jail with our tax dollars. (different story for a different day)

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/4007...his-guns-back/
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/12/tex...ile-drunk.html


You are at liberty to do what ever you want to do, but it does not mean you will *not* get in trouble for it.

*Remember:*
In this world: killing an animal to some people is worse than killing a human being.
http://www.ohmidog.com/2009/09/28/ma...r-killing-dog/

Welcome to California.

just my 2cents

Our Jail System is very different from Salvador.
This is a picture on CNN, how they keep the MS13 gang in Salvador.

[bubblehide]

[QUOTE=wiredantz;177258]...

I live in South Los Angeles (aka South Central). We have many gangs that have unregistered guns, our police force is not able to control the amount of unregistered guns. The worst part is if they end up killing someone, you will *probably* not get the death penalty. We just end up paying for them in jail with our tax dollars. (different story for a different day)
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Yeah Frank, believe it or not, but, I grew up in the hood.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

I live in South Los Angeles (aka South Central).

Really? We must be neighbors. I'm a few blocks west of Crenshaw between Slauson and Florance. You should drop by the studio for a beer some time.

[radastaff]

Originally Posted by bubblehide

Transporting is where they will get most offenses. And generally speaking, if you don't have a CCW or a badge, the ammo needs to be separated from the gun. And, both need to be in locked containers, one of which can be the glove box (if it locks). If in a car, they need to be separated, as one locked in a locked container in the trunk, the other in the cab of the car. If in an SUV, it is advised that both be in separate locked containers in the farthest back (rear) compartment.


With all the overlapping laws, and jurisdictions, some things can get pretty complicated, so much so that many cops aren't sure themselves. However, knowing the hierarchy of jurisdiction, and how superseding works, it's manageable, i.e., the feds set the minimum, local and state agencies can go above and beyond the feds regulations, but can not have less. A state agency's laws/regulations supersede local government...

eemm

ammo can be with gun
ammo can be in magazine
ammo cant be in magazine in gun
and or in chamber

gun must be in locked container
ammo does not need to be in locked container

this is while in transport in public

see calguns
and the various codes
for clarification

best I feel(though I think it sucks)
is to keep gun in locked container
and ammo and mags with ammo
in another separate locked container
like u mention
well you did mention generally speaking

some cops don't know the law
and its better not to have to fight it
just to get your gear back
and or avoid getting shot by accident

if they see that you have a gun
or you admit to it and or allow a search
they can by law inspect it to see that it is being properly stored
and is legal to own

glovebox storage is not a good idea
locking or not

also I think
transporting near schools and fed buildings
can be problematic

be careful out there

while fishing
I would rather carry a spear
and have thought about it a few times


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[bus kid]

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[Siebler]

Originally Posted by radastaff

eemm

ammo can be with gun
ammo can be in magazine
ammo cant be in magazine in gun
and or in chamber

P

Has this been cleared up? At one point there was controversy in that LEO's considered the ammo in the mag as being loaded (at least with handguns). Also that Ammo being with a handgun was a no however with long guns it was ok. Also glovebox storage is a big NO. The locked container can NOT be connected to vehicle. So your locked toolbox doesnt count. The container may be attached via a locking cable but not bolted down or part of the vehicle.

Now days I just keep my pistol locked, ammo separate, mag unloaded (unless running dirt roads and such away from city limits).

A lot of this stuff falls on the LEO that you deal with and how his day is going and how you treat him. I have only had 1 instance where the LEO was a complete bitch. Luckily her partner was super cool and put her in her place and apologized to me as he checked my carry weapon and bid me a good evening. Just because you are elgal doenst mean you arnt going to have to fight in court with these crap gun laws.

[radastaff]

well according to what ive read recently at calguns
and the code sited
but I error on the side of caution regardless
DYODD