Live from the BRTF meeting - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 03:20 PM

This just in! They have decided to remove the requirement that we only catch our bait at the pier by "dip net". I guess that means that Sabikis are now OK.

More to come.

Bob

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 03:36 PM

A guy from the DFG Warden's Assn. just got up and said that regardless of what comes out of this thing, they, (the game wardens), will not be able to inforce the regs. They do not have the staff to inforce the current regulations and call this thing a threat to their safety.

Interesting.

Bob

Iceman · 11-10-2009, 04:06 PM

blue shirts are disgusted and appalled by the direction.......that is a good thing.

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Comments from the little people, (us), are being presented now. Those who support our point of view outnumber the others 3/1. I doubt the BRTF is listening, however. I suspect that their minds are already made up.

One guy raised the ADA card. This is important because many of the proposed closures eliminate access for the handicapped. If someone takes this issue to court, implementation could be delayed for years.

Any attorneys interested in taking this one on?

Bob

Ocean-Angler · 11-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsafety

Comments from the little people, (us), are being presented now. Those who support our point of view outnumber the others 3/1. I doubt the BRTF is listening, however. I suspect that their minds are already made up.

One guy raised the ADA card. This is important because many of the proposed closures eliminate access for the handicapped. If someone takes this issue to court, implementation could be delayed for years.

Any attorneys interested in taking this one on?

Bob

thats a DAMN good point, and I saw the guy comment on that on the livepodcast!!!
there will be a MAJOR lawsuit if someone steps up on that....

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 04:37 PM

Good News!!!

They are talking about not changing the shape of the existing LJ reserve. That means that we could catch bait at the pier and fish for anything north of the pier except for a very small area just north of the pier as requested by Scripps.

The BRTF member who lines up against us most of the time will not change her motion to allow this but others in the group seem to be supportive.

Stay tuned.

Bob

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 04:47 PM

It's done. We have option 2. South LJ and Swami's are closed. We get a larger N. LJ area but also a larger La Jolla reserve, including all the areas north of the pier.

This was very interesting to watch. It was obvious to me that the BRTF just wanted to get a result. In their own words, "this is not perfect"

No Shit! The DFG cannot and will not enforce these new regulations. ADA issues may tie this up in court for years.

Watching this process has reinforced my opinion that our Government is broken. Special interests always win.

I suspect that we have not heard the end of this one yet however.

Bob

Willy · 11-10-2009, 05:06 PM

Well said Bob.
We appricate the updates. I caught the end of the live cast on video and like you agree, the government is broken.
Their attitudes at the end really did reflect they just wanted to get some result; science, fairness, and every other bit of hyperbole they used be damned.
I'm ashamed our system has fallen into the hands of special interests, but money talks and bullsh!t gets a promotion.
Hopefully the DFG will tell these folks to shove it.

Sorry for the candor, but this process has me fully flustered.
Well done to those who could make it today, and to those who put so much forth for us all.
Willy

dos ballenas · 11-10-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsafety

It's done. We have option 2. South LJ and Swami's are closed. We get a larger N. LJ area but also a larger La Jolla reserve, including all the areas north of the pier.

This was very interesting to watch. It was obvious to me that the BRTF just wanted to get a result. In their own words, "this is not perfect"

No Shit! The DFG cannot and will not enforce these new regulations. ADA issues may tie this up in court for years.

Watching this process has reinforced my opinion that our Government is broken. Special interests always win.

I suspect that we have not heard the end of this one yet however.

Bob

please specify... do you mean that fishing is closed north of the pier? Or open?

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11-10-2009, 03:20 PM	#1
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	This just in! They have decided to remove the requirement that we only catch our bait at the pier by "dip net". I guess that means that Sabikis are now OK. More to come. Bob

11-10-2009, 03:36 PM	#2
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	A guy from the DFG Warden's Assn. just got up and said that regardless of what comes out of this thing, they, (the game wardens), will not be able to inforce the regs. They do not have the staff to inforce the current regulations and call this thing a threat to their safety. Interesting. Bob

11-10-2009, 04:20 PM	#4
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	Comments from the little people, (us), are being presented now. Those who support our point of view outnumber the others 3/1. I doubt the BRTF is listening, however. I suspect that their minds are already made up. One guy raised the ADA card. This is important because many of the proposed closures eliminate access for the handicapped. If someone takes this issue to court, implementation could be delayed for years. Any attorneys interested in taking this one on? Bob

11-10-2009, 04:37 PM	#6
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	Good News!!! They are talking about not changing the shape of the existing LJ reserve. That means that we could catch bait at the pier and fish for anything north of the pier except for a very small area just north of the pier as requested by Scripps. The BRTF member who lines up against us most of the time will not change her motion to allow this but others in the group seem to be supportive. Stay tuned. Bob

11-10-2009, 04:47 PM	#7
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	It's done. We have option 2. South LJ and Swami's are closed. We get a larger N. LJ area but also a larger La Jolla reserve, including all the areas north of the pier. This was very interesting to watch. It was obvious to me that the BRTF just wanted to get a result. In their own words, "this is not perfect" No Shit! The DFG cannot and will not enforce these new regulations. ADA issues may tie this up in court for years. Watching this process has reinforced my opinion that our Government is broken. Special interests always win. I suspect that we have not heard the end of this one yet however. Bob

11-10-2009, 05:06 PM	#8
Willy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Jolla Posts: 189	Well said Bob. We appricate the updates. I caught the end of the live cast on video and like you agree, the government is broken. Their attitudes at the end really did reflect they just wanted to get some result; science, fairness, and every other bit of hyperbole they used be damned. I'm ashamed our system has fallen into the hands of special interests, but money talks and bullsh!t gets a promotion. Hopefully the DFG will tell these folks to shove it. Sorry for the candor, but this process has me fully flustered. Well done to those who could make it today, and to those who put so much forth for us all. Willy