Knot Longevity - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Billy V · 02-19-2010, 08:51 PM

I tie new rigs the night before.

Irons get tied on just before I drop them down to the deep 6.

All hardware is cut off at the end of the day, and pre-rigged fluro leaders like Carolina rigs have a 1 week grace period before I won't use them anymore.
-That might seem unnecessary, but my knots don't break.

You never know when the fish of a lifetime will pay you a visit, so be prepared.

yakrider · 02-19-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy V

I tie new rigs the night before.

Irons get tied on just before I drop them down to the deep 6.

All hardware is cut off at the end of the day, and pre-rigged fluro leaders like Carolina rigs have a 1 week grace period before I won't use them anymore.
-That might seem unnecessary, but my knots don't break.

You never know when the fish of a lifetime will pay you a visit, so be prepared.

my thoughts exactly

dgax65 · 02-19-2010, 09:39 PM

My knots usually hold up pretty good right up to the point where I get a bite.

This is actually a thought provoking question. I've always thought it reasonable to retie when the line was strained or worn, but I have never given much thought to loss of knot strength over time. I have left knots in place for weeks with no noticeable loss of strength. I use uni knots for just about everything, so maybe that knot doesn't put as much stress on the line.

I would be interested to hear if anybody has actually had a problem with this. To be a valid observation, it would have to be a case where old knots failed repeatedly and then the problem was solved by tying fresh knots. Anybody?

Billy V · 02-19-2010, 09:47 PM

I always notice rust around the knot after using a rig.

This is abrasive and I would think it would compromise the knot. Even if I rinse it with fresh water it will still rust, so I do not reuse the rig.
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For unused rigs this does not apply, but it is reasonable to assume that a kink in the line is its weak point and a hook that is just sitting with a tied knot is a kink.

GregAndrew · 02-20-2010, 01:49 PM

I think the rust issue is a good point. However, if you are tying to something that does not rust or accumulate salt and you are using a highly rated knot (google fishing knot ratings), you should not run into problems for at least weeks if not months. A good knot tends to be one that does not excessively bind on itself or the part being tied to so there should be little degradation of the line from staying tied. However, as mentioned, the knots should have been lubed up before tightening in the first place. Also, once you have put the stress of a large fish on the knot, it may be binding on itself making it weaker. So, if you tie a bad knot type or don't moisten the line before tightening or fish the knot after working in a big fish, you are pushing your luck. That is my take, but I am definitely no mono/fluro expert.

robmandel · 02-20-2010, 02:37 PM

depends on lots of things. I've had YT trips with the same jig tied on all day and landed several nice yellows. 30-40lb ande or big game, unless it gets frayed or something, I've found will hold all day. if I'm bait fishing, all depends on the line around the hook more than the knot.

I will usually rig up the night before so I know they hold overnight. I've sometimes kept my light spinning rod I use for the surf rigged even after fishing. a few days later, it's still fine. guess 6lb flouro leader is durable.

on the water, I'll only retie to change jigs or swimbaits. I break down the gear after each day on the water.

I like knots that double the line through the eye, like the palomar and trilene. if tied well, they'll last as long as needed. the only time I've had knots fail was when they were poorly tied.

02-19-2010, 09:39 PM	#3
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	My knots usually hold up pretty good right up to the point where I get a bite. This is actually a thought provoking question. I've always thought it reasonable to retie when the line was strained or worn, but I have never given much thought to loss of knot strength over time. I have left knots in place for weeks with no noticeable loss of strength. I use uni knots for just about everything, so maybe that knot doesn't put as much stress on the line. I would be interested to hear if anybody has actually had a problem with this. To be a valid observation, it would have to be a case where old knots failed repeatedly and then the problem was solved by tying fresh knots. Anybody? __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

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02-19-2010, 08:51 PM	#1
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I tie new rigs the night before. Irons get tied on just before I drop them down to the deep 6. All hardware is cut off at the end of the day, and pre-rigged fluro leaders like Carolina rigs have a 1 week grace period before I won't use them anymore. -That might seem unnecessary, but my knots don't break. You never know when the fish of a lifetime will pay you a visit, so be prepared.

02-19-2010, 09:47 PM	#4
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I always notice rust around the knot after using a rig. This is abrasive and I would think it would compromise the knot. Even if I rinse it with fresh water it will still rust, so I do not reuse the rig. -------------------- For unused rigs this does not apply, but it is reasonable to assume that a kink in the line is its weak point and a hook that is just sitting with a tied knot is a kink.

02-20-2010, 01:49 PM	#5
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	I think the rust issue is a good point. However, if you are tying to something that does not rust or accumulate salt and you are using a highly rated knot (google fishing knot ratings), you should not run into problems for at least weeks if not months. A good knot tends to be one that does not excessively bind on itself or the part being tied to so there should be little degradation of the line from staying tied. However, as mentioned, the knots should have been lubed up before tightening in the first place. Also, once you have put the stress of a large fish on the knot, it may be binding on itself making it weaker. So, if you tie a bad knot type or don't moisten the line before tightening or fish the knot after working in a big fish, you are pushing your luck. That is my take, but I am definitely no mono/fluro expert.

02-20-2010, 02:37 PM	#6
robmandel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 186	depends on lots of things. I've had YT trips with the same jig tied on all day and landed several nice yellows. 30-40lb ande or big game, unless it gets frayed or something, I've found will hold all day. if I'm bait fishing, all depends on the line around the hook more than the knot. I will usually rig up the night before so I know they hold overnight. I've sometimes kept my light spinning rod I use for the surf rigged even after fishing. a few days later, it's still fine. guess 6lb flouro leader is durable. on the water, I'll only retie to change jigs or swimbaits. I break down the gear after each day on the water. I like knots that double the line through the eye, like the palomar and trilene. if tied well, they'll last as long as needed. the only time I've had knots fail was when they were poorly tied.