Looking for Guides - Page 3 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Saba Slayer · 01-29-2015, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HAVABASS

Does this same "Anti-Help" thinking apply to say...golf lessons, piano lessons, tennis, coaches, driving, tutoring?
Just wondering.....

Stupid Teachers trying to learn us all stuff...They buy us books and teach us to read and what do we do? .....We eat the books?

Who needs em...I'm so smart I taught myself everything I need to know...!

Deamon · 01-29-2015, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HAVABASS

Does this same "Anti-Help" thinking apply to say...golf lessons, piano lessons, tennis, coaches, driving, tutoring?

Just wondering.....

Not sure if anyone has been anti-guide in all of this...might be a money or maybe a pride thing...for others, Erinoo said it better than i could..

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Originally Posted by erinoo;2.6452

I carry my jewels in a wheel barrow.

Hahahhahahaha!

Saba Slayer · 01-29-2015, 07:57 AM

OK...MHO...I've been a licensed/bonded DFG kayakfishing guide for 15 years...probably longer than a lot of you have been kayak fishing...that's not to say I know everything there is about fishing or kayaking! I don't and I'm the first to admit it...I love learning new rigging ,fishing tricks, and about the new electronics. I've seen this thread before over the years and it's always a bash on guides and what a waste of money that is. The same comment is usually made..."just come fishing with us".
Most of the kayakers I've taught over the years were very new to the sport of fishing or hooping...many had never been on a kayak before, let alone handled a fish or a lobster. Most didn't have a kayak or had just bought one. These folks had the MONEY to hire a guide and rent a kayak and they saw THEIR VALUE in that learning experience. It wasn't about catching a trophy for them...it was about learning a new sport and having fun. I've also taught a few sonar/GPS OTW clinics and those people were there to learn how to use their expensive electronics....that's why Lowrance has a classroom setting at the Fred Hall Shows. That's why I do seminars teaching kayak fishing and hooping...as a mater of fact I've seen a few of you guide haters at my seminars...why can't you just think of it as a seminar on the water!
It's not always a fun experience as a guide...I've baby-sat some knuckleheads that couldn't catch themselves in a box and I've answered a million questions till I had had it! Not everyone has access to a friend that will teach them the ropes...and the amount of time and attention that I pay to a client thats paying me is very different from the amount of time a friend will spend while fishing with you. It's also a tremendous amount of work setting up two or three yaks getting them on the water and then cleaning the gear and yaks then packing everything away so its clean and ready for the next client...baiting up the cages and cleaning them out...it's a lot of effort and doesn't really work out to a great hourly wage after all the prep and wrap work and time. Ask Ron from Baytubbers...he considered running some guided hoopnet trips...untill he realized how much work and babysitting it can be for only a few bucks.
There are many folks out there that have a gift and don't realize it...I've met lots of kayakers and clients over the years that didn't need a guide...they have that ability to experiment and experience just about anything and learn from it, weather it's from a friend or another kayaker on the water...those folks don't need a guide...! Cherish your God given GIFT and don't rag on those that don't have your life experiences or innate skills and need or can afford a TEACHER!
Then there is the client that wants to get a trophy...much like the Big Game Safaris...these are usually folks with MONEY and that's the way they operate...perhaps your jealous of their way of life or their access to the funds to enjoy their life as they see fit!
To each his own...whatever floats your boat/kayak !

Cbad Mike · 01-29-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

I've baby-sat some knuckleheads that couldn't catch themselves in a box

Now that made me laugh!!!

driftwood · 01-29-2015, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by YakDout

Those people saying that you will never know what these guides know. I have a question for you. Do you think the knowledge that they have came from an older generation guide who taught them? Or perhaps they spent time on the water until they learned on their own. I too cannot take anything away from these guides as I can see as to what kind of fish they catch. But to say that there is no way of ever having the fishing know-how that these guides have is a little ignorant.

*end of rant.

Heard the yellowtail were biting pretty locally, who wants to go fishing now?!

��

This is NOT about being a "little ignorant" 70% of what you will learn or more will be on your own/time on the water. The other 30% comes from friends or a good guide. What really HELP the rate of you're success is being in a large circle of friends who are avid fisherman and feed you constant fish dope. but to say I learned on "my own" is BS.

Like the song says "I get a little help from my friends" Yes, even Tiger Woods hired a guide once.

jorluivil · 01-29-2015, 07:46 AM

I hope that someday I will catch a trophy fish

driftwood · 01-29-2015, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

I hope that someday I will catch a trophy fish

I always had trouble seeing a complete picture of your trophy fish. All those kayakers around you keep getting in the dam way.

Deamon · 01-29-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by driftwood

I always had trouble seeing a complete picture of your trophy fish. All those kayakers around you keep getting in the dam way.

Jorge hasn't caught a trophy fish since Matt moved away...I think. I got a nice butt last year when Matt(aka StinkyMatt) told me to "drop it right now"...bam 28# butt hanging on the clip soon after...word

I'm flying Matt in next month for some guide sessions and I think he still has some dates available if anyone wants to pm him. Jim

fishing md · 01-29-2015, 10:51 AM

IN FLYFISHING WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR LOL..

Mobyfish · 01-29-2015, 11:09 AM

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momo fish · 01-29-2015, 11:12 AM

Well said Jim...

Maybe if we should change the word guide to coach or teacher... There is a difference for me between using a guide to catch fish verses to learn how to catch fish... There are many reasons why folks use them and all are personal preferences and none should be discounted because of ones own choices. We are all not fortunate enough to have a "group" to share info/intel.

When I finally get frustrated enough or finish paying of the mortgage/tuition etc I will probably call a guide. Hopefully I can figure things out on my own using the forums,books etc. I also started fishing without a circle of friends who fished and had to learn a lot of things the hard way.. It was a great feeling once I did start landing fish but also grew frustrated each time I lost a possible trophy.

What's that old saying.. "Teach a man to fish..." That's what guides to me are doing.. Some will learn and be able to apply that knowledge others will probably die of starvation. 😊

Anyhow always love this discussion and to each their own as this will never be agreed nor does it need to be.

Mobyfish · 01-29-2015, 11:17 AM

Momo,

You nailed it. I used to be a snowboarding in structor. I watched a ton of people struggle on their own and absolutely kill themselves. They could barely walk the next day.

Those that took lessons with us had way more fun, got way less hurt, and were up and riding much more quickly.

The value in a teacher or coach (insert guide), is that is shortens the learning curve. Always good to figure things out on your own, but there's certainly no shame in learning from a pro. Learn the right way, from the start, and improve from there.

-Mobyfish

booger · 01-29-2015, 12:41 PM

Do the professional guides here trade services?

chris138 · 01-29-2015, 01:24 PM

Wow great thread lol so fun to sit down after lunch and soak all that in.

It is kind of silly to say that you will never learn what a guide knows on your own. The good guys fish every day, and they stay out all day. They keep moving, keep fishing, keep trying to extract every bit of detail or every possible clue. Guides also do what all other good fisherman do: LURK.

Hey is that guy snagged on a rock? LURK
Hey did that sea lion just puke up a squid? LURK
Hey I think I smell a seabass fart... LURK
Hey where did you catch that yellow, and with what bait and in what depth and on what size line LURK LURK LURK
Hey Josh forgot to cut off his top-secret disco mackerel jig before heading in!! you damn sure better LURK
Is that TROMPUS? LLLLUUURRRRRKKKKK

When I first started I lurked so hard I nearly broke my neck. The need for a guide is inversely proportional to your LURKER status

lamb · 01-29-2015, 01:46 PM

5 pages of lively debate, and I still haven't read the ultimate theses on whether it's really "better" to do it with, or without a guide.

But I think that's cool - maybe everyone should make a decision for themselves?
And all of us should, regardless of what our preferred learning path was, stop trying to influence other folks - and respect their decision?

I think it's the time we close this thread - nuff' said.

We're fortunate to have pretty good number of quality local kayak fishing guides, and a wonderful local kayak fishery.

This is plenty enough of a pitch for the guides.
They don't pay the BWE bills.

Fortunately, just like other hundreds of thousands of threads, this one will also be available for all future generations to search and find the information, hear local fishing guides names, and figure out how harmonious of a view our lil' community has on this particular subject.

booger · 01-29-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Vega

With a avatar like that. What you want to trade? Booty??

Bert, what is wrong with my avatar?
I get what you a trying to do here and I don't think it is very funny OR nice.
SEAL HATER

Bert Vega · 01-29-2015, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Bert, what is wrong with my avatar?
I get what you a trying to do here and I don't think it is very funny OR nice.
SEAL HATER

Your 100% right I am sorry. Please accept my apology.

and I REALLY DO HATE SEALS!

TJones · 01-29-2015, 03:09 PM

Blah , blah , blah .

. There was one other guide to mention. Wait , I think he retired ?

ful-rac · 01-29-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TJones

Blah , blah , blah .

. There was one other guide to mention. Wait , I think he retired ?

Who Matt? I think he moved to Vermont.

TJones · 01-29-2015, 08:56 PM

As Fish porn Friday .

.Whats the verdict ? Is he gonna use him?

01-29-2015, 07:57 AM	#3
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,871	Guides OK...MHO...I've been a licensed/bonded DFG kayakfishing guide for 15 years...probably longer than a lot of you have been kayak fishing...that's not to say I know everything there is about fishing or kayaking! I don't and I'm the first to admit it...I love learning new rigging ,fishing tricks, and about the new electronics. I've seen this thread before over the years and it's always a bash on guides and what a waste of money that is. The same comment is usually made..."just come fishing with us". Most of the kayakers I've taught over the years were very new to the sport of fishing or hooping...many had never been on a kayak before, let alone handled a fish or a lobster. Most didn't have a kayak or had just bought one. These folks had the MONEY to hire a guide and rent a kayak and they saw THEIR VALUE in that learning experience. It wasn't about catching a trophy for them...it was about learning a new sport and having fun. I've also taught a few sonar/GPS OTW clinics and those people were there to learn how to use their expensive electronics....that's why Lowrance has a classroom setting at the Fred Hall Shows. That's why I do seminars teaching kayak fishing and hooping...as a mater of fact I've seen a few of you guide haters at my seminars...why can't you just think of it as a seminar on the water! It's not always a fun experience as a guide...I've baby-sat some knuckleheads that couldn't catch themselves in a box and I've answered a million questions till I had had it! Not everyone has access to a friend that will teach them the ropes...and the amount of time and attention that I pay to a client thats paying me is very different from the amount of time a friend will spend while fishing with you. It's also a tremendous amount of work setting up two or three yaks getting them on the water and then cleaning the gear and yaks then packing everything away so its clean and ready for the next client...baiting up the cages and cleaning them out...it's a lot of effort and doesn't really work out to a great hourly wage after all the prep and wrap work and time. Ask Ron from Baytubbers...he considered running some guided hoopnet trips...untill he realized how much work and babysitting it can be for only a few bucks. There are many folks out there that have a gift and don't realize it...I've met lots of kayakers and clients over the years that didn't need a guide...they have that ability to experiment and experience just about anything and learn from it, weather it's from a friend or another kayaker on the water...those folks don't need a guide...! Cherish your God given GIFT and don't rag on those that don't have your life experiences or innate skills and need or can afford a TEACHER! Then there is the client that wants to get a trophy...much like the Big Game Safaris...these are usually folks with MONEY and that's the way they operate...perhaps your jealous of their way of life or their access to the funds to enjoy their life as they see fit! To each his own...whatever floats your boat/kayak ! __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

01-29-2015, 07:46 AM	#6
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	I hope that someday I will catch a trophy fish __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

01-29-2015, 10:51 AM	#9
fishing md Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: redlands Posts: 237	IN FLYFISHING WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR LOL.. Last edited by fishing md; 01-29-2015 at 11:13 AM. Reason: forgot something

01-29-2015, 01:46 PM	#15
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	5 pages of lively debate, and I still haven't read the ultimate theses on whether it's really "better" to do it with, or without a guide. But I think that's cool - maybe everyone should make a decision for themselves? And all of us should, regardless of what our preferred learning path was, stop trying to influence other folks - and respect their decision? I think it's the time we close this thread - nuff' said. We're fortunate to have pretty good number of quality local kayak fishing guides, and a wonderful local kayak fishery. This is plenty enough of a pitch for the guides. They don't pay the BWE bills. Fortunately, just like other hundreds of thousands of threads, this one will also be available for all future generations to search and find the information, hear local fishing guides names, and figure out how harmonious of a view our lil' community has on this particular subject. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

01-29-2015, 03:09 PM	#18
TJones Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,526	Josh this , Josh that . Blah , blah , blah . . There was one other guide to mention. Wait , I think he retired ?

01-29-2015, 11:09 AM	#10
Mobyfish Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 31	Screen Shot 2015-01-25 at 8.05.42 PM.png

01-29-2015, 11:12 AM	#11
momo fish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Camarillo Posts: 1,491	Well said Jim... Maybe if we should change the word guide to coach or teacher... There is a difference for me between using a guide to catch fish verses to learn how to catch fish... There are many reasons why folks use them and all are personal preferences and none should be discounted because of ones own choices. We are all not fortunate enough to have a "group" to share info/intel. When I finally get frustrated enough or finish paying of the mortgage/tuition etc I will probably call a guide. Hopefully I can figure things out on my own using the forums,books etc. I also started fishing without a circle of friends who fished and had to learn a lot of things the hard way.. It was a great feeling once I did start landing fish but also grew frustrated each time I lost a possible trophy. What's that old saying.. "Teach a man to fish..." That's what guides to me are doing.. Some will learn and be able to apply that knowledge others will probably die of starvation. 😊 Anyhow always love this discussion and to each their own as this will never be agreed nor does it need to be.

01-29-2015, 11:17 AM	#12
Mobyfish Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 31	Momo, You nailed it. I used to be a snowboarding in structor. I watched a ton of people struggle on their own and absolutely kill themselves. They could barely walk the next day. Those that took lessons with us had way more fun, got way less hurt, and were up and riding much more quickly. The value in a teacher or coach (insert guide), is that is shortens the learning curve. Always good to figure things out on your own, but there's certainly no shame in learning from a pro. Learn the right way, from the start, and improve from there. -Mobyfish

01-29-2015, 12:41 PM	#13
booger Junior Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 11	Do the professional guides here trade services?

01-29-2015, 01:24 PM	#14
chris138 donkey roper Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 968	Wow great thread lol so fun to sit down after lunch and soak all that in. It is kind of silly to say that you will never learn what a guide knows on your own. The good guys fish every day, and they stay out all day. They keep moving, keep fishing, keep trying to extract every bit of detail or every possible clue. Guides also do what all other good fisherman do: LURK. Hey is that guy snagged on a rock? LURK Hey did that sea lion just puke up a squid? LURK Hey I think I smell a seabass fart... LURK Hey where did you catch that yellow, and with what bait and in what depth and on what size line LURK LURK LURK Hey Josh forgot to cut off his top-secret disco mackerel jig before heading in!! you damn sure better LURK Is that TROMPUS? LLLLUUURRRRRKKKKK When I first started I lurked so hard I nearly broke my neck. The need for a guide is inversely proportional to your LURKER status

01-29-2015, 08:56 PM	#20
TJones Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,526	This thread is getting as many hits As Fish porn Friday ..Whats the verdict ? Is he gonna use him?