Rudder or not to rudder? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Von_Vaughn · 08-29-2014, 04:51 PM

I have had an ocean trident and I just got the malibu xfactor. I am debating putting rudders on them. How does the forum feel about them? How much does it add? Worth the price?

jorluivil · 08-29-2014, 05:18 PM

I've owned two Hobie's and one regular kayak, I never had a need for it and never even considered adding one. Some kayakers love them others can do without them, I think its all a matter of preference.

I'd compare it to having a car with cruise control, its a great feature but how often do you use it?

FISH11 · 08-29-2014, 05:52 PM

The X Factor tracks real good without one. Might only help on the drift. Not needed just one more thing to worry about, constantly adjusting aim and worry on landing if it's up and out of the way or one more thing to tangle and possibly break when (not if) you roll it in the surf once in a while.

Saba Slayer · 08-29-2014, 07:07 PM

IMHO...I would get a rudder. I paddled the Ocean Kayak brand for a number of years and I always thought that the rudder was a great addition to the longer yaks.
When the wind is blowing out of the West as you paddle back to King Harbor from PV...you get Gorilla arm on the right side from paddling harder and more often on that one side just to keep a straight course. With the rudder your feet do all the steering work and you can paddle with a more regular cadence.
Go for the rudder you won't be sorry. It's no harder to pull up than a rudder on any of the Hobies for surf landing.

mclanea · 08-29-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Von_Vaughn

I have had an ocean trident and I just got the malibu xfactor. I am debating putting rudders on them. How does the forum feel about them? How much does it add? Worth the price?

I have the ocean kayak trident 13 with a rudder. I didn't think I'd use it but I find myself using it quite a bit. Last weekend my wife and I paddled 2-3 miles in the Coronado area, at one point we drifted for probably 20 minutes just to enjoy the scenery. I was able to control that drift... both kayaks together... for those 20 minutes with a few movements of the rudder. You can see it on this video at the 2:18 mark - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TyMGEV546w

alanw · 08-29-2014, 09:18 PM

X-factor drifts sideways, be nice to see if a rudder would be able to control the drift but kind of expensive just to find out. Don't really need it otherwise, although when the wind is really blowing it may help tracking some.

cowboybill · 08-31-2014, 06:12 PM

I paddled for a year without a rudder... and a year with a rudder... on a wilderness tarpon 160...

Get the rudder! In calm conditions, the rudder is a mild aid... But in the wind and against currents, the rudder really works well!

Note; serious kayakers recommend no rudder at first (it forces you to learn paddling!) and then adding a rudder as it adds efficiency for distance...

Extra note: In certain conditions a rudder becomes a crutch, or a false promise... coming in thru surf, the rudder does not work until too late, same with going down a river... A rudder needs water running against it to work... When a wave picks you up and you start moving down the wave... you and the water are moving at close to the same speed... The rudder is useless! ( I found this out the hard way!) After some practice, I always went rudder up and hit the brakes with the paddle which is not fun, but a lot safer on me and equipment!
Also, I paddled in Black Canyon, and noticed against the current, the rudder was amazing... down current the rudder was so so at best.

The beauty of a rudder is... you can leave it up!

Good luck!

Cowboybill

Wintersun · 09-05-2014, 01:24 PM

I have used both and the windier it is the more I value having a rudder. Without a rudder and having the wind off the beam you are spending most of your time paddling on one side of the boat only and that is a pain - literally.
This is even worse if wearing a wetsuit of any kind where paddling takes more effort in the first place.

The alternative which I found myself doing was to head into the wind and then fall off and makes some distance and then head back into the wind, in effect tacking with the kayak. If I stayed in protected waters all the time or avoided being out in the afternoon a rudder would not be important. So it all depends on where you go.

No wind the rudder adds very little. Lots of wind and it is a godsend. It adds only $150 to the cost for the kayak, and as you can hoist it out of the water whenever you like. The question to ask is why not have a rudder?

Iceman · 09-05-2014, 01:39 PM

I always tell customers that a rudder is most appreciated in less than ideal conditions. It is a tool that provides efficiency and that is the essence of paddling...........efficiency. The fisherman who paddles may not appreciate the rudder as much as a hardcore expedition distance paddler.

That being said if you have a cheap paddle and are considering a rudder...........invest in a really nice paddle and appreciate every stroke.

08-29-2014, 04:51 PM	#1
Von_Vaughn Junior Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 7	Rudder or not to rudder? I have had an ocean trident and I just got the malibu xfactor. I am debating putting rudders on them. How does the forum feel about them? How much does it add? Worth the price?

08-29-2014, 05:18 PM	#2
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,855	I've owned two Hobie's and one regular kayak, I never had a need for it and never even considered adding one. Some kayakers love them others can do without them, I think its all a matter of preference. I'd compare it to having a car with cruise control, its a great feature but how often do you use it? __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

08-29-2014, 05:52 PM	#3
FISH11 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Pine Valley when not fishing La Jolla Posts: 2,629	Rudder The X Factor tracks real good without one. Might only help on the drift. Not needed just one more thing to worry about, constantly adjusting aim and worry on landing if it's up and out of the way or one more thing to tangle and possibly break when (not if) you roll it in the surf once in a while. __________________ MARK ......... 2016 MALIBU X FACTOR, 2020 SOLO SKIFF (Fishing Kayak on Steroids )

08-29-2014, 07:07 PM	#4
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,827	Rudder or Not IMHO...I would get a rudder. I paddled the Ocean Kayak brand for a number of years and I always thought that the rudder was a great addition to the longer yaks. When the wind is blowing out of the West as you paddle back to King Harbor from PV...you get Gorilla arm on the right side from paddling harder and more often on that one side just to keep a straight course. With the rudder your feet do all the steering work and you can paddle with a more regular cadence. Go for the rudder you won't be sorry. It's no harder to pull up than a rudder on any of the Hobies for surf landing. __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

08-29-2014, 09:18 PM	#6
alanw Made in U.S.A. Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dana Point Posts: 1,625	X-factor drifts sideways, be nice to see if a rudder would be able to control the drift but kind of expensive just to find out. Don't really need it otherwise, although when the wind is really blowing it may help tracking some. __________________ Hobie PA 14 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Jackson Kraken ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu X-Factor ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu Stealth-12 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Its not a spelling B its a fishing B ~yakjoe

08-31-2014, 06:12 PM	#7
cowboybill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, CA Posts: 103	get the rudder! I paddled for a year without a rudder... and a year with a rudder... on a wilderness tarpon 160... Get the rudder! In calm conditions, the rudder is a mild aid... But in the wind and against currents, the rudder really works well! Note; serious kayakers recommend no rudder at first (it forces you to learn paddling!) and then adding a rudder as it adds efficiency for distance... Extra note: In certain conditions a rudder becomes a crutch, or a false promise... coming in thru surf, the rudder does not work until too late, same with going down a river... A rudder needs water running against it to work... When a wave picks you up and you start moving down the wave... you and the water are moving at close to the same speed... The rudder is useless! ( I found this out the hard way!) After some practice, I always went rudder up and hit the brakes with the paddle which is not fun, but a lot safer on me and equipment! Also, I paddled in Black Canyon, and noticed against the current, the rudder was amazing... down current the rudder was so so at best. The beauty of a rudder is... you can leave it up! Good luck! Cowboybill

09-05-2014, 01:24 PM	#8
Wintersun Junior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 22	I have used both and the windier it is the more I value having a rudder. Without a rudder and having the wind off the beam you are spending most of your time paddling on one side of the boat only and that is a pain - literally. This is even worse if wearing a wetsuit of any kind where paddling takes more effort in the first place. The alternative which I found myself doing was to head into the wind and then fall off and makes some distance and then head back into the wind, in effect tacking with the kayak. If I stayed in protected waters all the time or avoided being out in the afternoon a rudder would not be important. So it all depends on where you go. No wind the rudder adds very little. Lots of wind and it is a godsend. It adds only $150 to the cost for the kayak, and as you can hoist it out of the water whenever you like. The question to ask is why not have a rudder?

09-05-2014, 01:39 PM	#9
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,943	I always tell customers that a rudder is most appreciated in less than ideal conditions. It is a tool that provides efficiency and that is the essence of paddling...........efficiency. The fisherman who paddles may not appreciate the rudder as much as a hardcore expedition distance paddler. That being said if you have a cheap paddle and are considering a rudder...........invest in a really nice paddle and appreciate every stroke. __________________