Interesting WSB thread on Bloodydecks - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

mg2969 · 06-13-2008, 09:06 AM

In case you all didnt see this post

I guess some angler alleges he saw CSUN (northridge) marine researchers gill net a cove in catalina and was involved in the
"mortal destruction of hundreds of heavily egg laden white seabass"

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/in...st-cove-2.html

dorf · 06-13-2008, 10:16 AM

Sounds "F"ed up. Can't say more until I see pictures/video.

Handymansd · 06-13-2008, 10:25 AM

Wow, well, it sounds horrible!

But without evidence, it is hard to just start sending e-mails and bringing the house down. If it is true, send the guys responsible to jail for awhile. Maybe that will "smarten" them up a bit.

Billy V · 06-13-2008, 11:02 AM

I personally would wait to see this Video before I sent out any E- Mails.

If the video shows clear evidence of a violation then CSUN is in for a world of shit, but until then its all rhetoric and will be treated as such.

We need to see the Video of what went on out there. A complaint can swiftly be filed thereafter.

The witnesses to the event need to be the 1st. people to speak.

mg2969 · 06-13-2008, 11:08 AM

My post from BD

I cannot get involved for personal reasons , any questions PM me

A few points that might be interesting for concerned parties.

1. All the CSUs are headquartered in Long Beach by the chancellors office.

2. The office is next to catalina landing in LB

3. The address is:
401 Golden Shore, Suite 641
Long Beach, California 90802-4210
Phone (562) 951-4700
Fax (562) 951-4986

4. The public link for the chancellor as well as the rest of the executive staff is:
http://www.calstate.edu/scripts/main...ment=Executive

5. The chacellor's name / email is:
Charles B. Reed csreed@calstate.edu

BTW - In case anybody cares
Heres the public link from the Sacramento Bee to a database which you can look up almost ANY state employees salary.(can't check from current location)
http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/738462.html

Enjoy

Again this is all PUBLIC knowledge available to all who seek

dgax65 · 06-13-2008, 11:49 AM

From a recreational fishing perspective, nobody wants to see WSB gill-netted, but there has to be some perspective applied to this situation. Without adequate information on WSB stocks the DFG would not be able to properly manage this fishery. Like it or not, the use of gill nets provides researchers with a standardized method of measuring WSB populations. Diver observations and commercial/recreational catch reports provide some anecdotal information but it is not as precise as using nets. The use of nets for sampling is, obviously, not a perfect method, but it is more accurate than other methods. They aren't just throwing nets out to kill everything that swims by. The nets used have specific mesh size, overall size and are laid at known locations in a specific orientation. This allows the researchers to compare results of samplings taken over several years. This is the most accurate means of obtaining VALID population data. Also realize that this is not the only data collection method that is being used.

Take some time to look through some studies of WSB populations. You will understand that there is a reason for the data collection methods. They have been using these sampling techniques for years and they have documented that the WSB stocks are recovering. It is obvious that the sampling is not killing off the species.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/response/white_seabass.pdf

http://departments.oxy.edu/vrg/publications/pdfs/Craig%20et%20al%202004%20CMJ.pdf

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http://departments.oxy.edu/vrg/publications/pdfs/pondella%20and%20allen%202000.pdf

bajadog · 06-13-2008, 12:47 PM

Why not at least do something constructive with the "by-catch"?

We used to electrocute salmon in the Kasilof river for the
fish count. I'd keep my share of reds.

nmbrinkman · 06-13-2008, 03:06 PM

I see what your saying Dgax but regardless, there has got to be a better way. If what they're saying about the amount dead is true, it's a shame. Especially pre-spawn fish. Ethical science would have waited until they already spawned. Like what was already said, those fish could feed a lot of people.

06-13-2008, 09:06 AM	#1
mg2969 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Beach / Lakewood Posts: 85	Interesting WSB thread on Bloodydecks In case you all didnt see this post I guess some angler alleges he saw CSUN (northridge) marine researchers gill net a cove in catalina and was involved in the "mortal destruction of hundreds of heavily egg laden white seabass" http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/in...st-cove-2.html __________________ Hobie Mirage Revolution Prowler 13 - Look ma no hands

06-13-2008, 10:16 AM	#2
dorf Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 279	Sounds "F"ed up. Can't say more until I see pictures/video. __________________ Don't try to confuse me with facts! I hereby reject your reality and submit my own.

06-13-2008, 10:25 AM	#3
Handymansd Ancient Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: On The Water Posts: 935	Wow, well, it sounds horrible! But without evidence, it is hard to just start sending e-mails and bringing the house down. If it is true, send the guys responsible to jail for awhile. Maybe that will "smarten" them up a bit. __________________ All men are equal before fish. -Herbert Hoover

06-13-2008, 11:08 AM	#5
mg2969 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Beach / Lakewood Posts: 85	My post from BD I cannot get involved for personal reasons , any questions PM me A few points that might be interesting for concerned parties. 1. All the CSUs are headquartered in Long Beach by the chancellors office. 2. The office is next to catalina landing in LB 3. The address is: 401 Golden Shore, Suite 641 Long Beach, California 90802-4210 Phone (562) 951-4700 Fax (562) 951-4986 4. The public link for the chancellor as well as the rest of the executive staff is: http://www.calstate.edu/scripts/main...ment=Executive 5. The chacellor's name / email is: Charles B. Reed csreed@calstate.edu BTW - In case anybody cares Heres the public link from the Sacramento Bee to a database which you can look up almost ANY state employees salary.(can't check from current location) http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/738462.html Enjoy Again this is all PUBLIC knowledge available to all who seek __________________ Hobie Mirage Revolution Prowler 13 - Look ma no hands

06-13-2008, 11:49 AM	#6
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	From a recreational fishing perspective, nobody wants to see WSB gill-netted, but there has to be some perspective applied to this situation. Without adequate information on WSB stocks the DFG would not be able to properly manage this fishery. Like it or not, the use of gill nets provides researchers with a standardized method of measuring WSB populations. Diver observations and commercial/recreational catch reports provide some anecdotal information but it is not as precise as using nets. The use of nets for sampling is, obviously, not a perfect method, but it is more accurate than other methods. They aren't just throwing nets out to kill everything that swims by. The nets used have specific mesh size, overall size and are laid at known locations in a specific orientation. This allows the researchers to compare results of samplings taken over several years. This is the most accurate means of obtaining VALID population data. Also realize that this is not the only data collection method that is being used. Take some time to look through some studies of WSB populations. You will understand that there is a reason for the data collection methods. They have been using these sampling techniques for years and they have documented that the WSB stocks are recovering. It is obvious that the sampling is not killing off the species. http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/response/white_seabass.pdf http://departments.oxy.edu/vrg/publications/pdfs/Craig%20et%20al%202004%20CMJ.pdf >> http://departments.oxy.edu/vrg/publications/pdfs/pondella%20and%20allen%202000.pdf __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

06-13-2008, 11:02 AM	#4
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I personally would wait to see this Video before I sent out any E- Mails. If the video shows clear evidence of a violation then CSUN is in for a world of shit, but until then its all rhetoric and will be treated as such. We need to see the Video of what went on out there. A complaint can swiftly be filed thereafter. The witnesses to the event need to be the 1st. people to speak.

06-13-2008, 12:47 PM	#7
bajadog I eats what I kills Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 393	Why not at least do something constructive with the "by-catch"? We used to electrocute salmon in the Kasilof river for the fish count. I'd keep my share of reds. __________________ Please release bill-fish.

06-13-2008, 03:06 PM	#8
nmbrinkman Work Sucks! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 559	I see what your saying Dgax but regardless, there has got to be a better way. If what they're saying about the amount dead is true, it's a shame. Especially pre-spawn fish. Ethical science would have waited until they already spawned. Like what was already said, those fish could feed a lot of people.