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09-01-2013, 02:59 PM | #1 | ||
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What "FACT" or facts. I already know what those two articles say because I've already read both of them, but let me paraphrase them: Fox... Radiation levels in holding tanks of contaminated water at the plant has increased, and they've detected some leaks in the plumbing. The plant suffered meltdown after the massive earthquake, as a result the reactors are broken and have to be cooled with water, that said they are trying contain the waste. There has been some leaching of ground water, and a recent spill 300-ton (300,000-liter, 80,000-gallon) was the worst release of radioactive water since the crisis began. Authorities say they can't fully stop contaminated water leaks right away, water is still leaking in to the sea, but Scientists have said that contamination tends to be carried by a southward current and gets largely diluted as it spreads out into the sea. That's a pretty simple assessment but I'll point out the obvious.... the FACTS they present are pretty much in line with what I said, and they are not talking about radioactive fish on this side of the Pacific. CNN (actually a CNN opinion blog) Toyoshi Fuketa a radiation expert says they've been careless at the plant, he mentions the recent spill, and says contaminated water is still reaching the ocean. He says the amount of radioactivity released in March 2011 was less then Chernobyl but in the the total amount of stored cooling water Est. 400,000 tons there is in fact 2.5 times the amount of radioactive cesium dispersed in Chernobyl back in 1986. He overestimates it's size, as 160 Olympic swimming pools would be in truth be 440,000 tons. He then explains since the radioactive fuel still needs to be cooled constantly they inject about 400 tons of this stored water into the reactors daily. The water is recirculated from storage which he then for some reason increases estimates up in size to "600,000 tons of highly radioactive liquid" in the tanks. He then says they are cooling the reactors using four kilometer long lines that were improvised after the emergency, that are not standard industry equipment, some of which are vinyl, or more likely PVC. He then says the recent leak of 300 tons of radioactive water showed a frightening level of amateurism, and that soil around the tanks is contaminated. He says the tank leak is just the latest in a long list of things are going fundamentally wrong at the site. He also says if the lost containment of their cooling water it would not only release radioactivity it could lead to another meltdown, and said the challenge of fixing these problems is pretty much unprecedented. Better read, great stuff, I agree with his assessment 100% right down the line. Between those two articles you can get a pretty good idea of whats going on. The current amount of radiation that's been released is likely somewhere between a 10% to around 40% of what was released at Chernobyl. That said the cooling water they have been recirculating to cool the damaged reactors is..DUH!!... getting more and more contaminated with radiation all the time. Total loss of containment of that cooling water would not only release up to two and a half times as much as radiation as Chernobyl but it could also lead to another melt down. The concern is since this cooling setup was improvised after the disaster it's not up to specs and it has been leaking. So authorities are concerned and want more oversight about what's being done and what could be done to eventually get this all under control. Pretty simple huh!!! Straight up nothing in either of those articles disagrees with anything I've posted in this thread. There is also absolutely nothing in either of them that suggests there are any potential radiation issues with locally caught game fish here in the United States. You say this: Quote:
I mean sorry dude but there is nothing in either of those articles that backs up your rant. I'm not ranting, I'm laughing because this whole thing is so overblown and ridiculous. People that are making these wild contamination claims obviously either have no clue of the basic science, mechanics, or even the amount of water involved. I will admit that it's disappointing the some people believe it but you know people make this stuff intentionally to manipulate others, and people react to fear in often irrational ways. Speaking of Chernobyl. Know anything about it's cooling setup? I actually know something about it because of the fish. Yes there are still fish in the cooling ponds at Chernobyl. I really like to catch big fish, so I've read up on it and right now the Chernobyl cooling ponds potentially hold some of the largest Wells Catfish in existence (over 500 pounds), due simply to the fact they are closed to fishing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw0j9hcVtk8 Which brings me back to my whole point. There are people in this country that are intentionally over blowing potential risks to our fish, simply because they have an agenda, and don't want us fishing for them. Our fish are not like those in Chernobyl. Don't buy into this crap. Our fish are fine and when you consider the size of the Pacific and the actual amounts of radiation released in true perspective, barring some huge change that creates a much larger disaster our fish are going to be fine for the foreseeable future. Jim Last edited by Fiskadoro; 09-01-2013 at 07:27 PM. |
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09-01-2013, 09:16 PM | #3 |
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I retract the blasé attitude I responded with earlier.
After reading the newsfeed from my MSN homepage, I'm now quite concerned. Here's the link to the article, and worth reading it all: http://news.msn.com/world/radiation-readings-spike-at-fukushima-nuclear-plant How those fricken' idiots used a meter that would only go up to 100 millisieverts per hour on Aug 22, which maxed out, so they reported the reading at 100. Those yahoos finally got a meter that would go much higher, up to 10,000 milisieverts, and yesterday, the actual reading was 18 times (1,800 milisieverts) what was reported 9 days earlier, enough to kill an exposed person in 4 hours. With this report, now I am concerned, and convinced those assholes over there don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Their ass is the one with their thumb stuck up in it. Japan has also signaled it might dip into a $3.6 billion emergency reserve fund to help pay for the clean-up of a situation the chief cabinet secretary has described as "deplorable". After 2 years, what the hell are they waiting on? If this isn't an emergency of the highest magnitude, than they're even dumber than I gave them credit for. The world needs to get involved.
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09-01-2013, 09:17 PM | #4 |
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09-01-2013, 09:21 PM | #5 |
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Jim, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them think.
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09-01-2013, 09:49 PM | #6 |
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09-01-2013, 09:52 PM | #7 | |
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i stick with my prior concept on this topic. considering these FACTS below, which have been reported by MANY prior articles: ....2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site.... ....MORE radioactive contamination is CONTINUALLY leaking out into Pacific waters EVERY DAY, with no definitive end in sight.... .... no one YET knows for sure (in past years or present time) the EXACT rates of leaking, nor the EXACT contamination level of leaking water, nor the honesty or disclosure level of TEPCO reports, nor the capabilities of TEPCO to resolve problem anytime in foreseeable future.... As of now, it is impossible to predict exactly what issues may evolve in future, and it will likely be many years before all is known here. but there is certainly a POTENTIAL serious health threat going on here. and thus, IMHO - all the people who still try to DENY that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible significant health risk factors, for the people of the U.S. Pacific West Coast, are merely in "denial" mode here. (sorta like an ostrich with their head in sand, or like a young child shaking their head saying na, na, na, na, na, na, na, when you are trying to talk to them.) .
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Really, well since you brought it up, just how far down is your head, in the sand that is? So in other words, your trying to say that the sky really is falling? The fact here is that no one here has has disagreed with your above listed conclusions. What has been stated (and the facts fully support), is that your conclusion are so highly unlikely that they are utterly ridiculous. The scale/ratio of contaminant is like a meteorite in all of space; in the big picture, it is insignificant, in both a general and scientific terms. Last edited by bubblehide; 09-01-2013 at 10:12 PM. |
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In fact you're ignoring the most important fact involved. The fact you can't see that may just show how deep your denial goes. Say I told you that planets have been destroyed by the impact of asteroids, and meteors. Then stated that thousands of celestial bodies like meteors hit the Earth every day. Both are true and factual. I supposed you could then say we are all in imminent danger. Then when others do not agree with you, claim that anyone who doesn't think so, that people who try to DENY that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible risk factors involving the possibility of a major meteor strike for the people of Earth, are all merely in "denial" mode. That would ignore a significant issue, the scale of the things involved and the resulting probability of a major celestial catastrophic event in our lifetime. I don't deny the facts involved with the spill. I just think your conclusions are biased and wrong because you ignore both scale and probability. Could a particle of that radiation end up in a fish off our coast. Yes it could, but given the scale of the pollution spilled and the scale of the Pacific it's highly improbable, and not likely to happen. Oh and I tend to find when people start saying things like everyone who doesn't agree with them is in denial, or they are like a young child shaking their head saying na, na, na, na, na, na, na, when you are trying to talk to them. Well I'd say that's someone who does not handle disagreement well, has a closed mind, and feels he has to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them so they can then completely ignore any possible validity of their arguments. |
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