Arnie and his enviro cronies screwed us--AGAIN - Page 5 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

zenspearo · 09-30-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dsafety

Aah, fresh air. Thanks Zenspero for your enlightening first post in this thread. It sure got everyone's juices going. Now what should we do?

Bob

Thanks for the kind words Bob but truly, I'm just a guy thankful for the collaboration from my kayakfishing brothers.

The thanking should be done by us in the spearing community to you guys.

I can't say it anymore eloquently than your kayakfishing RSG rep. He has put out a call and I am going to try to get our spearos going as well.

http://bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=8445

Paul Lebowitz is completely right--this kind of "stack the deck, push for more closure than IPA" has been tried before in the North Central Coast process. This lameduck appointment of a blatantly pro-closure Commissioner at the 11th hour puts our two communities (the most selective and low-impact but also most vulnerable fishing communities) at risk.

Our earlier showings were in front of RSGs and BRTFs. This is the decider, and a new audience. And they are the ones voting which map would decide our fishing/diving future. We have to smartly, persistently, and convincingly make our case heard for our needs.

We have only two more MLPA meetings and so we spearos will not let you guys down. We will meet you there again on October 20th/21st.

I hope everyone who ever fished in our SoCal ocean or spearfishing under its waves will be there.

Location: FG&C meeting in San Diego on Oct 20-21 at the Four Points by Sheraton on Aero Drive.

PAL · 09-30-2010, 03:08 PM

Joe is right. It's time to strap it on for the final two meetings.

Stacked deck is the perfect description. The balance on the commission is so far towards the enviro NGO side, that we have to be ready to meet an all-out attack on La Jolla.

We all know how much it chafed them to leave us the north kelp. They lied - regularly - about our use areas, drummed up fake kayak anglers, and continually tried to undermine our credibility.

Even if the commission decides to go with the IPA, there are a number of changes they can choose from. The DFG doesn't like the South La Jolla MPA boundaries. That could grow to the north and south.

We also have to watch the pier bait situation. It's a complication for them. Tyler tried to tell them to move the line so it doesn't bisect the pier. They didn't listen, so we have to stay on that case too.

The Oct meeting is in San Diego. No excuses! The other side will resort to their usual dishonorable tricks. Will we see taxpayer funded bused-in schoolchildren again? Maybe.

December's meeting in Santa Barbara is jsut as important. Make a commitment now! All that we battled for together with a single voice could be lost if we don't stay on the job to the very end.

Grego · 09-30-2010, 05:32 PM

San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!!

-scallywag- · 09-30-2010, 05:47 PM

bring some stones....we'll vote them out Roman senate style

zenspearo · 09-30-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grego

San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!!

This SD guy will be in Santa Barbara as well. And I'll bring my speargun and wetsuit to pay them fish and lobsters a visit.

dsafety · 09-30-2010, 06:46 PM

Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back.

This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things.

If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue.

This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM.

I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy?

Bob

AquaticHunter · 09-30-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohana

By the way, I have used my 12 wt fly rod and caught 150 lb makos. But, I am not a purist; I use casting gear for 99% saltwater and fly gear for 75% freshwater.

Kevin

Kevin, you seemed to take that comment too seriously.

To the subject in question, it didn't surprise me Stan was a fly fisherman. In fact, it fit perfectly.

PAL · 09-30-2010, 09:03 PM

Bob, I never left. Just went quiet for a time.

I hear you. The same goes for those who contacted me offline. We're working on an action plan, messaging, and ways to get the word out to the kayak and spearfishing communities. It will take a few days.

In the meantime, check out this news:

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Judge rules MLPA officials must release public records

By Ed Zieralski Originally published September 30, 2010 at 8:11 p.m., updated September 30, 2010 at 8:56 p.m.

A Sacramento County Superior Court judge ruled Thursday that the Blue Ribbon Task Force and the Master Plan Team for the Marine Life Protection Act South Coast Region are “state agencies” and must adhere to the California Public Records Act.

Judge Patrick Marlette ruled in favor of San Diego’s Robert C. Fletcher, saying the agencies must release all requested documents related to the South Coast Region of the Marine Life Protection Act by Oct. 10.

The Blue Ribbon Task Force and the Master Plan Team have been charged with drawing up proposals for enactment of the Marine Life Protection Act

Read the rest here: https://www.signonsandiego.com/news/...se-public-rec/

This is a big deal. As most of you know from personal experience, the BRTF meetings were not conducted on the up and up. They may yet be held to account for their corrupt actions.

Tman · 09-30-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PAL

Bob, I never left. Just went quiet for a time.

...They may yet be held to account for their corrupt actions.

Better yet, they may yet be held accountable for their corrupt actions...
C'mon Paul, been reading too many of Stan's posts?

I will plan on being there, somehow, some way...

Just know that I am gonna catch chit for this one...

Matt · 10-01-2010, 05:46 AM

I'll be there regardless of the outcome I'm still gonna fish......dear enviro-Nazi-jackoffs your not gonna stop us EVER!!! And the only good thing Jerry Brown ever did was inspire the Dead Kennedys!

Ohana · 10-01-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaticHunter

Kevin, you seemed to take that comment too seriously.

To the subject in question, it didn't surprise me Stan was a fly fisherman. In fact, it fit perfectly.

Do not worry, I am just pulling your line!

I am surprised Stan did not comment on your post as he seemed to react defensively to the others making a comment about him

Ohana · 10-01-2010, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dsafety

Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back.

This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things.

If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue.

This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM.

I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy?

Bob

I second Bob's suggestion. I will try to make the October meeting and, considering how it appears our foes have an organized plan, it would probably be good for first-timers to the meetings have one also or at least how we can be most effective.

Kevin

Regor · 10-01-2010, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohana

I am surprised Stan did not comment on your post as he seemed to react defensively to the others making a comment about him

A little hard to comment when he was banned.

AquaticHunter · 10-01-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohana

I am surprised Stan did not comment on your post as he seemed to react defensively to the others making a comment about him

Didn't really surprise me he had no answer to the constitution because it's plain as day. I'm glad we have guys on here that know about obscure scientific studies and economics because I can't speak about stuff like that with any kind of authority. But God has given me a healthy dose of common sense and a hunger for freedom. I am only surprised the lawsuit that's been filed had to do with corruption of the MLPA process and not the constitutionality of it. Perhaps that's a future plan, I don't know.

dorado50 · 10-01-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

I'll be there regardless of the outcome I'm still gonna fish......dear enviro-Nazi-jackoffs your not gonna stop us EVER!!! And the only good thing Jerry Brown ever did was inspire the Dead Kennedys!

X2...but I refer to them as "liberal socialist" ie.people with a mental disorder....

Tman · 10-01-2010, 12:27 PM

There once was an enviro named Stanley
Who thought all his rants were quite manly
But what nobody knows
The gay bars where he goes
He's known quite simply as Candy

Billy V · 10-01-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

I'll be there regardless of the outcome I'm still gonna fish......dear enviro-Nazi-jackoffs your not gonna stop us EVER!!! And the only good thing Jerry Brown ever did was inspire the Dead Kennedys!

Yup - that about sums it up.

It will actually make it more fun for me playing cat and mouse with any ill gotten closures.

-Game on .... lmao

Suck me · 10-01-2010, 01:30 PM

You idiots are too funny.

You bitch about being called biggots and then break out the homophobic slurs

You whine about freedom and then cheer the banning and complete sensoring of someone that doesn't agree with you.

You morons say you are a "diverse community" but talk down on any type of fishing that isn't yours.

Have fun with your little tea party circle-jerk, good on the MPLA for ignoring morons like you.

Suck me · 10-01-2010, 01:32 PM

And the golden one, where you nimrods say you're moderate and sensible but threaten physical voilence.

dsafety · 10-01-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy V

Yup - that about sums it up.

It will actually make it more fun for me playing cat and mouse with any ill gotten closures.

-Game on .... lmao

Billy, I'm with you. Sometimes when a law is unjust, you just have to rebel. In the spirit of the Boston Tea Party, Rosa Parks and anyone who has ignored the 55 mph limit, I plan to continue fishing where I have been fishing should all of this crap become the law.

On another subject, I would like to gently suggest that all who have been calling our opponents Nazis, Socialists, Commies and other similar similarly degrading names interchangeably pick up a dictionary and figure out exactly what you want your insult to mean.

Nazis, (National Socialists), are really Fascists. The real socialists are on the other side of the political spectrum along with the Communists. I don't think you can be both a Nazi and a Socialist at the same time. I suspect that some have blurred the line between the these groups' political manifestos and the fact that both tend to support dictatorial rule.

I think that that is what I object to the most. When a small minority of people have the power to deny individual freedoms to the masses, the seeds of rebellion start to germinate. I think that we are at that stage now. Dictators rely on fear to keep the masses in check. That may not work with our group. If they push us too far, I have no doubt that some will start pushing back. Hopefully we can avoid that.

Bob

10-01-2010, 05:46 AM	#90
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	I'll be there regardless of the outcome I'm still gonna fish......dear enviro-Nazi-jackoffs your not gonna stop us EVER!!! And the only good thing Jerry Brown ever did was inspire the Dead Kennedys! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

10-01-2010, 12:27 PM	#96
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Ode to Stan... There once was an enviro named Stanley Who thought all his rants were quite manly But what nobody knows The gay bars where he goes He's known quite simply as Candy __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

09-30-2010, 03:08 PM	#82
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Joe is right. It's time to strap it on for the final two meetings. Stacked deck is the perfect description. The balance on the commission is so far towards the enviro NGO side, that we have to be ready to meet an all-out attack on La Jolla. We all know how much it chafed them to leave us the north kelp. They lied - regularly - about our use areas, drummed up fake kayak anglers, and continually tried to undermine our credibility. Even if the commission decides to go with the IPA, there are a number of changes they can choose from. The DFG doesn't like the South La Jolla MPA boundaries. That could grow to the north and south. We also have to watch the pier bait situation. It's a complication for them. Tyler tried to tell them to move the line so it doesn't bisect the pier. They didn't listen, so we have to stay on that case too. The Oct meeting is in San Diego. No excuses! The other side will resort to their usual dishonorable tricks. Will we see taxpayer funded bused-in schoolchildren again? Maybe. December's meeting in Santa Barbara is jsut as important. Make a commitment now! All that we battled for together with a single voice could be lost if we don't stay on the job to the very end.

09-30-2010, 05:32 PM	#83
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 445	San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!!

09-30-2010, 05:47 PM	#84
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	bring some stones....we'll vote them out Roman senate style

09-30-2010, 06:46 PM	#86
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back. This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things. If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue. This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM. I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy? Bob

10-01-2010, 01:30 PM	#98
Suck me Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2	You idiots are too funny. You bitch about being called biggots and then break out the homophobic slurs You whine about freedom and then cheer the banning and complete sensoring of someone that doesn't agree with you. You morons say you are a "diverse community" but talk down on any type of fishing that isn't yours. Have fun with your little tea party circle-jerk, good on the MPLA for ignoring morons like you.

10-01-2010, 01:32 PM	#99
Suck me Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2	And the golden one, where you nimrods say you're moderate and sensible but threaten physical voilence.