New Scientific Studies Make the Case for the Marine Life Protection Act - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

emrliquidlife · 02-25-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by teto116

some info i came across about the mlpa

http://www.californiaprogressreport....e/?q=node/7488

Sadly there is no opportunity to provide comment to her writing.

Ed

dsafety · 02-25-2010, 09:51 PM

The most important paragraph in that piece is this one.

"This new research shows that California is on the right track with ocean policy. It adds to a large body of scientific evidence that proves that marine reserves, when designed using sound science, can benefit both fish and fishermen."

If the recommendations submitted by the BRTF were based on "sound science" I would not have a problem with all of this. Unfortunately, at least in my view, "sound science" took a back seat to special interest agendas and political gamesmanship.

Bob

Whizz Bang · 02-26-2010, 01:33 AM

Ha Ha Ha!!! Please do not post drivel.

"This new research shows that California is on the right track with ocean policy. It adds to a large body of scientific evidence that proves that marine reserves, when designed using sound science, can benefit both fish and fishermen."

What body of scientific evidence? What sound science? Where is the preponderance of evidence???

This is from an odorous granola crunching c@#t who has no idea what actually goes on under water. Why share it?

Look at her! She is an idiot! she has no great secret to share, only some stupidity the she was fed by some kindly fellows...........moving on.

Dan · 02-26-2010, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Whizz Bang

What body of scientific evidence? What sound science? Where is the preponderance of evidence???

The reports are published in PNAS. I will need to read them at work today.

Whizz Bang · 02-26-2010, 08:07 AM

It is very convenient that this study came out when it did. Coincidence? Not likely. The granola lady and some friends just created a new model that will interpet the data in the manner they want. From what I read, they created this little computer model and fed it the same old sparse empirical data they had on hand and then pronounced that it shows MLPAs are good for everyone. Because it is an ocean with currents, and because fish have fins and swim around, they have a hard time counting them....it is far easier to just create a computer model that interpets old data and skews it the proper way. Not science so much as it is BS.

Anytime I see a "scientific report" by any group that has the words conservancy or protection attached to it, I get out my waders.

stairman · 02-26-2010, 09:10 AM

here are a few of the stories that are on that web site ...very revealing.more
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Gino · 02-26-2010, 09:55 AM

Its a left wing thing...

Not to make a political push, but when you vote for liberals (Arnold included) This is a by product of what you get MLPA!

They will always know what is best for you! and your family! and the Enviorment! OMG!

And if you dont agree with them your not "progressive" or a neanderthal.

Look at that Ladies page there The Noble Sir Whiz Bang and Squire Stairman posted... It Reaks of Left Wing ideology. She votes and supports the gang that wants to take away your fishing rights.

We got to find or create a gang that will protect ours.

02-26-2010, 08:07 AM	#5
Whizz Bang Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 396	Save you the time Dan It is very convenient that this study came out when it did. Coincidence? Not likely. The granola lady and some friends just created a new model that will interpet the data in the manner they want. From what I read, they created this little computer model and fed it the same old sparse empirical data they had on hand and then pronounced that it shows MLPAs are good for everyone. Because it is an ocean with currents, and because fish have fins and swim around, they have a hard time counting them....it is far easier to just create a computer model that interpets old data and skews it the proper way. Not science so much as it is BS. Anytime I see a "scientific report" by any group that has the words conservancy or protection attached to it, I get out my waders.

02-26-2010, 09:10 AM	#6
stairman Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 84	here are a few of the stories that are on that web site ...very revealing.more Obama Will Win Health Care Political Theater: Then What? By Randy Shaw It’s a safe bet that President Obama will run intellectual circles around Congressional Republicans at today’s televised health care forum, as nobody does political theater better than Barack Obama. From his acclaimed speech on race Navigation Donate Syndicate Search Search this site: Ads Blogroll Progress Report Friends: Bayne of Blogs Beyond Chron California Budget Bites Health Access Blog California Majority Report Calitics Privacy Revolt CALPIRG Blog CLCV Blog Courage Campaign D Day Protect Consumer Justice Speak Out California Center for Policy Analysis News, Opinion, Gossip Around the Capitol Calbuzz Capitol Alert Capitol Notes Capitol Weekly LA Observed Political Blotter Rough & Tumble Voices of San Diego Opposing Views Flash Report Fox & Hounds Daily Does Your Insurance Company Want You To Die? J.G. Preston Protect Consumer Justice “My best guess is that they want me dead as soon as possible….They know that the premiums I pay will never cover how much they’ll spend on me.” Those were the words of Bob Iritano in a conversation with Los Angeles Times business columnist David Lazarus. Iritano has terminal cancer, and Lazarus went on to write about how Iritano’s health insurer, Health Net, decided not to cover the treatment that could extend his life. Meg's California By Robert Cruickshank Meg Whitman is a master of slick campaigning. Her feel good radio and TV ads are designed to make her seem like a moderate, pragmatic person who will help cure what ails California. Just today she launched her second TV ad, one in which the word "Republican" is never mentioned. When it comes to the #1 task our next governor will face - solving the budget crisis - she is offering a continuation of Arnold Schwarzenegger's slash-and-burn cuts. But you wouldn't know that from Whitman's ads. She doesn't make reference to her refusal to embrace new revenues to save popular and

02-25-2010, 09:51 PM	#2
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	The most important paragraph in that piece is this one. "This new research shows that California is on the right track with ocean policy. It adds to a large body of scientific evidence that proves that marine reserves, when designed using sound science, can benefit both fish and fishermen." If the recommendations submitted by the BRTF were based on "sound science" I would not have a problem with all of this. Unfortunately, at least in my view, "sound science" took a back seat to special interest agendas and political gamesmanship. Bob

02-26-2010, 09:55 AM	#7
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	Its a left wing thing... Not to make a political push, but when you vote for liberals (Arnold included) This is a by product of what you get MLPA! They will always know what is best for you! and your family! and the Enviorment! OMG! And if you dont agree with them your not "progressive" or a neanderthal. Look at that Ladies page there The Noble Sir Whiz Bang and Squire Stairman posted... It Reaks of Left Wing ideology. She votes and supports the gang that wants to take away your fishing rights. We got to find or create a gang that will protect ours.